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Bashing-omacheron-a: No, unity is a "plugin" (actually Unity is a Compiz plugin) in gnome .00:15
acheron-aBashing-om, okay, thanks for that knowledge00:24
Bashing-omacheron-a: Believe me, it is all a process in learning , I am just now beginning up on that steeper learning curve :)00:25
acheron-a;)00:32
Bashing-om!15.0402:13
ubot5Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) was the 22nd release of Ubuntu. Support ended on February 4, 2016. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/vivid02:13
tsimonq2!12.0402:32
ubot5Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is a currently-supported !LTS release of Ubuntu.  Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/120402:32
acheron-aBashing-om, just did a complete fresh install and restored all data!04:29
acheron-aabout 1 hr from start to finish and that includes all updates04:30
Bashing-omacheron-a: In under 20 minutes too !04:30
Bashing-omacheron-a: I keep backups current - I have had practice and can RE-install fully in 15 minutes :)04:32
acheron-awow, that is impressive!04:33
acheron-acould never even dream of doing this in window$04:33
Bashing-omacheron-a: Good backup routine ,, and practice !04:34
Bashing-omacheron-a: If ya only knew how long it has taken me to learn how not to break the system .04:35
acheron-alol ... yeah, i believe it04:35
acheron-ai am now all FOSS04:38
Bashing-omAnd no virus ! acheron-a !!04:38
ducassemorning all06:52
tsimonq2Morning ducasse06:52
tsimonq2How are you?06:52
ducassegood thanks, and you?06:53
tsimonq2Pretty good. :)07:04
lordievaderGood morning07:06
ducassewb lordievader07:13
lordievadero/07:23
BluesKajHey all10:12
OerHekshi BluesKaj10:12
BluesKajHey OerHeks10:13
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all12:38
ducassehiya lotuspsychje, finally awake? ;)12:39
brunch875good afternoon, lotuspsychje12:39
lotuspsychjehey ducasse lol12:39
lotuspsychjehi brunch87512:39
brunch875I finally jumped to daily build, expecting everything to break all the time12:41
lotuspsychjeducasse: i never sleep out long, always early birds12:41
brunch875but what a disappointment to realize nothing has crashed yet12:41
lotuspsychjebrunch875: daily of what?12:41
brunch875ubuntu!12:41
brunch875zesty zapus12:41
lotuspsychjeright12:41
lotuspsychjefinal beta today?12:42
brunch875no idea, is it?12:42
lotuspsychjehttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-final-beta-lands-late-tomorrow-freeze-now-in-effect-514147.shtml12:42
brunch875I tried installing it some months ago, but the liveUSB would freeze so I thought it was too fresh12:42
lotuspsychjeill stay oof non-lts myself12:43
brunch875but about two days ago I tried reinstalling ubuntu and saw that it happened as well with any, including LTS12:43
brunch875turns out the thumb drive was faulty12:43
ducassei've been running zesty for a while now, haven't had any issues.12:43
brunch875so I just grabbed an external hdd and installed zesty from there12:43
brunch875ducasse: the only issue I've stumbled upon is no thumbnails12:44
BluesKajbeen running zesty since the toolchainwas uploaded, had some nvidia driver issues about a month ago , but now all seems ok on beta212:46
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic zesty12:49
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.10.0.13.15 (zesty), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB12:49
ducassebrunch875: i get thumbnails in thunar, just tested.12:49
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/netflix-finally-adds-support-firefox-linux12:52
BluesKajheh, tried FF52 yesterday, didn't work very well on my zesty setup ...slow and clunky, pages took ages to load12:56
brunch875BluesKaj: anything fancy with FF52?12:56
BluesKajbrunch875, not that i noticed, but it was so frustrating I dumped it12:57
brunch875i hope firefox succeeds12:57
brunch875I have keen eyes on rust12:58
brunch875welp, time to go12:58
lotuspsychjehi philipballew13:02
lotuspsychje!info firefox zesty13:02
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 46470 kB, installed size 112768 kB13:02
lordievaderFirefox 54 is quite nice, now that they've explored the multiprocess realm a bit more :)13:03
lotuspsychjehowdy lordievader13:03
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje13:04
daftykins\o13:05
lotuspsychjehey daftykins13:06
* daftykins strolls in with the cat on his lap13:06
lotuspsychjelol13:07
daftykins;D13:07
daftykins(explains the funny walk)13:07
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/entroware-launches-ubuntu-powered-kratos-3000-laptop-with-nvidia-gtx-1050-gpu-514162.shtml13:07
daftykinsstill see a big problem with "laptop" and "gamers" in the same sentence, but even more so once you put "ubuntu" in with them13:08
lotuspsychjedaftykins: yeah those nasty high end games will be a no-no13:10
lotuspsychjedaftykins: but will be a fine steam machine right?13:10
daftykinsonly if you want to play the reduced number of games that run13:10
lotuspsychjea linux steam machine that is :p13:11
daftykinsyeah therein lies the problem13:12
lotuspsychjesomeday one will find a multi Os app to play whatever game13:13
daftykinsmmm not for as long as making games involves business rules13:15
lotuspsychjei mean like some sort of deamons tools-like-multiOs app that could mount whatever game on whatever <Os13:16
daftykinsbut games haven't been disc image based forever, access to the files isn't the problem - it's simply the compatibility13:17
lotuspsychjedaftykins: one day mate :p13:18
daftykinsnah you just won't get DX12 functionality on Loonix13:18
pauljwsomeday you'll play your games from the chip inside your head13:19
lotuspsychjeyeah, ive read something about a chip somwhere13:19
* lotuspsychje is trying to recall13:20
pauljwheheh13:20
daftykinsit's already in! ;)13:20
pauljw:)13:20
OerHekscroky or lays chips?13:20
pauljwlays are the best!13:21
OerHekspaprika, cheese-onion or BBQ13:21
OerHeksugh, low fat chips13:21
pauljwpotatoe13:21
lotuspsychjepauljw: think it was facebook, doing something with out brain13:23
pauljwoh, sounds like most of facebook.13:24
pauljwhow's your business coming along, lotuspsychje?13:26
lotuspsychjepauljw: slowly, still working on my store room13:27
pauljw:) these things take time.  glad you're still working at it.13:28
lotuspsychjethe promo usb's are ready to be sent13:28
lotuspsychjebut my room needs to be finished and other work at our new home13:29
pauljw:)13:29
daftykinswhat's on these flash drives?13:29
lotuspsychjedaftykins: empty for my existing customers, named the usb at my business name :p13:30
lotuspsychje8gig13:30
lotuspsychjewith logo printed on it13:30
daftykinsoh ok13:30
lotuspsychjedaftykins: mostly to learn newbies to save their fav pics or data :p13:31
lotuspsychjewe of course sneeze out noses with 8gig13:31
daftykinsas do we about considering flash drives any level of backup ;)13:31
lotuspsychje:p13:32
lotuspsychjeits free right, they cant complain much13:32
pauljwheheh, linux is free too, but just listen to daftykins complain about it... :D13:35
lordievaderlotuspsychje: You are underestimating people...13:35
lotuspsychjelordievader: hows that?13:36
daftykinsi believe the 'free' in relation to Linux is more freedom and not the lack of a price tag :>13:36
daftykinsand regardless of either, it still has massive failings brought about by having too many infighting nerds behind the scenes13:36
lordievaderlotuspsychje: People complain about everything. And if they can't, they complain about not being able to complain.13:37
pauljwi'm sure there is non of that going on at MS or Apple13:38
lotuspsychjelordievader: lol13:38
lotuspsychjelordievader: ill try to choose customers that wont complain too much13:38
daftykinspauljw: oh i never claim they're any better, but they don't result in an inconsistent mess of an OS, which Linux distros are13:38
pauljwdaftykins, i think that really is a result of the freedom to create.  openness is kinda messy.13:40
daftykinsbut a bad result, too many nerds going "i can do it better!"13:40
pauljwwho do you restrict?? and why?? can't really do that in FOSS13:40
daftykinsit's not about controlling it like that, it's about having the sense to say "work against these design principles so you're not reinventing the wheel every time"13:42
pauljwyou can say it, but you can't prevent me from reinventing the wheel if i choose to do so.  i understand what you're saying daftykins, it just won't work in the open environment without taking someones freedom to choose away.  at least i don't see a way to do so.13:45
* lotuspsychje is kinda lost13:46
daftykinsright but then you just end up having to unlearn and relearn with every single program you use13:47
daftykinsand that - is a complete joke13:47
pauljwi guess i'm just simple minded and don't use my system because i've yet to have to unlearn and relearn much of anything with the programs i use.  learning linux was a curve coming from windows, but once i got comfortable i haven't had any issues.13:50
OerHeksafter 2 years, i learned that looking for registration ubuntu software is useless13:52
BluesKajheh, I'm less comfortable with windows now than linux . I've been on linux much longer than windows13:52
daftykinsi do a lot more than just sorta desktop class use so i see a lot of fuck ups :)13:52
pauljw:)13:53
daftykinsthat's ignoring all the hardware support woes too13:54
nicomachustsimonq2: just saw your highlight from last night. Who's Joey?13:54
daftykinssounded like a journo at omgubuntu or something13:54
nicomachusis tsimonq2 associated with omgubuntu? that would be some handy info to know13:55
pauljwwell, it's hard to blame linux for unsupported hardware.13:55
daftykinsthe blame isn't important, it's accepting that the situation sucks unless you cherry pick hardware13:56
daftykinsi'm neither for one nor the other, all OSs suck13:56
lotuspsychjeand linux sucks less13:56
daftykinsnope13:57
lotuspsychjefor me it does13:57
lotuspsychjeubuntu is perfect for what i do13:57
daftykinsyou can't know if you haven't used the current editions of all the choices :)13:57
daftykinsand know how to drive 'em13:57
lotuspsychjeyou cant have 100% perfect in life13:58
lotuspsychjewe'll have to move to paradise13:58
daftykinsno, but fanboyism over one side is just stupid :)14:00
pauljwi find that intel processors and hp printers make for a very compatible out of the box experience.  i stick to LTS builds and don't have any issues.  if i want games, i'll buy a playstation.14:01
nicomachuss/playstation/xbox/14:01
daftykinswell it's wifi cards that are the main problem even today14:01
nicomachus:P14:01
pauljwhaving a preference isn't fanboyism.  it's not like i didn't get abused by MS for decades prior to discovering linux.  i just choose not to deal with them any longer. :)14:03
daftykinsi'm not saying you're showing fanboyism, i'm saying anyone who pisses on Windows and says Ubuntu is all great is part of the problem14:04
daftykinsjust as those who say the inverse are too14:05
pauljwtrue14:05
lotuspsychjewindows has bigger security holes then linux, ill stay off it14:05
lotuspsychjeevery win box i need to repair is like an ant nest of malware and virus14:07
daftykinsthat's bullshit14:07
daftykinsthey both get major ones all the time14:07
daftykinsand that's down to the users not knowing how to drive it, same problem going into #ubuntu and seeing idiots loading up with PPAs and hosing their installations14:08
daftykinssorry lotus but you're dragging yourself down by saying silly things like that14:08
lotuspsychjei speak of what i see every day in my experience14:09
lotuspsychjeall the customers boxes with windows that i need to fix are a nightmare14:09
daftykinsyes, but as i say that' down to the users, it's not the OS's fault14:10
daftykins*that's14:10
daftykinsyour average user is the kind that closes a window saying "install updates?" :)14:10
lotuspsychjeits true that users help messing up their systems, but its not normal users just browse the web and catch malware without knowing it tru exploit holes14:11
daftykinsmaybe if they're unpatched, but that's again mostly down to being users14:12
daftykinsso again moot14:12
daftykinsplenty of high-brow security woes in the last 2 years on the Linux side14:13
lotuspsychjeevery Os has security holes, but i like more the linux way of solving14:13
lotuspsychjebesides, i never had to fix a broken ubuntu system yet14:14
lotuspsychjecant say that from windows14:14
daftykinsreally? because i saw plenty in #ubuntu .14:14
daftykinsand that'll solely be down to how few folk use it in comparison14:14
OerHeksif you cannot use the computer without mouse, don't linux.14:15
OerHeks:-D14:15
pauljwheheh14:15
lotuspsychjei admin humans are inventive to bork a system by nature14:16
lotuspsychjeadmit14:16
BluesKajbeen linuxing for 12 yrs with a mouse. it works for me :-)14:17
lotuspsychjelol14:17
lotuspsychje2017 will be year of linux14:18
BluesKajhate to use the phrase "keyboard snobs" , but i just did :-)14:18
pauljwOerHeks, i see that as a problem in #ubuntu.  too often a user has a problem that has a gui method of correcting yet no one mentions it and pushes them to a terminal.  that intimidates many newbies and they never learn of the easier (for them) to use gui method.14:18
OerHekspauljw, true, while tons of users demand the comandline expression, how to start a gui program :-D14:20
pauljw:)14:20
lotuspsychje1800 users in #ubuntu with like 1700 idlers and 90 system borkers and 10 trolls14:21
lotuspsychjethat looks like a fair number to the million happy ubuntu users no?14:21
lotuspsychjeor the trillion linux users?14:21
pauljwi'm an idler because i'm here for the education... ;)14:22
lotuspsychjelol14:22
pauljwit's true, i'm not qualified to offer assistance and i know it, but i do learn from others mistakes and the help offered by our experts.14:24
lotuspsychjehttp://www.deviantart.com/art/Nordish-67015999614:25
BluesKajmy lack of unity gnome experience reduces my participation in #ubuntu somewhat, but we all do what we can.14:26
daftykinspauljw: mmm i agree with what you said about GUI vs CLI, but then we've all seen how the GUI updater fails or breaks things and doesn't show the problem, so often CLI only package management is the way to go :<14:26
daftykinsanother example, when the additional drivers installation progress seizes, with a query / package management error hiding behind it that you can't see14:27
pauljwi agree with that, package management via cli gives much better feedback.14:27
pauljwi do all my updating via cli and ssh into the other systems on the network to keep them updated without bothering my wife to do so.14:28
lotuspsychjejohn doe doesnt like the terminal :p14:28
lotuspsychjehe likes click & go14:29
pauljwthe terminal is just different and foreign to gui users.  if they're really interested in the OS, they'll learn it.  otherwise, they're just pc users and will never learn more than how to turn it on and run the installed software.14:30
lotuspsychjepauljw: my goal with my business is to make users creative, curious to learn new things14:31
pauljwit's why i think pushing linux on the world is a bad idea.  the world just needs to discover it one geek at a time...14:32
pauljwgood goal, lotuspsychje14:32
pauljwbut, you will be frustrated... :)14:32
lotuspsychjepauljw: i wont14:34
lotuspsychjei switched alot of guys from win to ubuntu already without any complaints14:35
lotuspsychjesome geeks, dont know yet they are one, and need someone to show the existence of linux14:36
daftykinsthey must be very basic users14:36
lotuspsychjedaftykins: not everyone is so needy like us right14:36
pauljwthat's true, lotuspsychje but they're still few and far between.  lots of frustrating folks along the way.14:37
lotuspsychjeany Os got its frustrations14:37
lotuspsychjemac, ios, android frustrations all over14:37
BluesKajsome ppl don't want to know the cli , a gui is a tool good enough for their needs14:38
lotuspsychjetrue14:38
pauljwyep14:38
lotuspsychjebut behind the GUI, the cli is working anyway14:38
daftykinsi know for a fact any of my clients or friends would be a mistake to put Linux in for14:39
pauljwwell, we know that...14:39
daftykins:>14:39
BluesKajno doubt about that14:39
lotuspsychjei also have customers i would never suggest ubuntu to14:39
lotuspsychjetrue14:40
OerHeksall i run into are linux users that 'know it all about ubuntu through the media'14:40
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: what did they hear exactly then?14:41
OerHeksIt is a spying linux version with too old packages and blame it all on ubuntu, like systemd and amdgpu14:42
OerHeks:-D14:42
lotuspsychjelol14:42
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nicomachushttps://i.redd.it/w8jguf2lc5ny.png14:56
pauljwbiab... going to get daughter's boyfriend.14:57
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pauljwback15:53
lotuspsychjepauljw: wb16:05
lotuspsychjehi nacc & Wirehunter16:05
pauljwty16:05
WirehunterHi16:05
lotuspsychjenicomachus: its like a cult poster :p16:06
nacclotuspsychje: morning!16:06
lotuspsychjenacc: ready to serve & support my man :p16:06
lotuspsychjehowdy acheron-a16:07
nicomachuslotuspsychje: it's a Game of Thrones thing16:10
lotuspsychjenicomachus: oh, didnt follow that16:10
lotuspsychjeeveryone says i should16:10
ducassegood reason not to.16:11
lotuspsychjelol16:11
nicomachusyou should.16:11
lotuspsychjei hear some say, its better then lord of the rings n such?16:11
OerHekslotuspsychje, i honestly don't know, never seen breaking bad and game of thrones16:11
nicomachusOerHeks: where have you been for the last 5 years16:12
nicomachus:P16:12
lotuspsychjelol16:12
naccthe book are good -- the show is fun, but very hbo :)16:13
nacc*books16:13
OerHeksi mis-traveled time, i am catchin up now with Southpark & Elementary ...16:14
lotuspsychjelol16:14
naccheh16:14
lotuspsychjewell i have to admit im not really a series guy, rather a good movie16:14
OerHeksyeah, romantic and with a deeper spirit16:16
* OerHeks hides16:16
lotuspsychjelol16:16
lotuspsychjeanyone seen who am i yet? that german hacker movie16:17
lotuspsychjehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnjheCqRIs16:18
lotuspsychjefor those who feel bit nerdy tonight lol16:18
ducassejust watched last season of inside no. 9, fantastic stuff but dark.16:19
lotuspsychjeducasse: url?16:20
lotuspsychjenever heard of that16:20
lotuspsychje!info shotcut16:25
ubot5Package shotcut does not exist in xenial16:26
ducasselotuspsychje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_No._9 and trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5E2Z1NHXMA16:26
lotuspsychjeducasse: tnx16:27
nicomachusyoutube-dl can be so frustrating sometimes. when it's not being a miracle program.16:29
nicomachusI think I expect too much of it.16:29
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^16:29
lotuspsychjeducasse: that looks pretty weird16:29
lotuspsychje!info nomnom | nicomachus16:31
ubot5nicomachus: nomnom (source: nomnom): download videos from Youtube and other similar video websites. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.1-2 (xenial), package size 176 kB, installed size 494 kB16:31
lotuspsychjenicomachus: (didnt test myself)16:31
acheron-ahello everyone!16:34
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje16:34
EriC^^how16:34
EriC^^how16:34
EriC^^how's it going?16:34
EriC^^damn keyboard :D16:34
lotuspsychjehowdy acheron-a how did the helpdesk go today16:34
acheron-ahelpdesk?16:35
lotuspsychjeacheron-a: didnt you work in IT?16:35
ducasselotuspsychje: it definitely is, but it is also very, very good :)16:35
lotuspsychjeducasse: ok ill try one :p16:35
acheron-ai have but not at a helpdesk16:35
lotuspsychjeacheron-a: what do you do then?16:36
acheron-aright now i just work at home16:37
acheron-ai took a leave package from Hewlett-Packard16:37
lotuspsychjeah, thought i see you mention helpdesk in earlier chats..must be confused16:37
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: fine here tnx , and you?16:37
pauljwhey EriC^^16:38
acheron-aoh, i think i commented about learning from watching the help channel16:39
ducassehi EriC^^, pauljw16:39
pauljwhi ducasse :)16:40
acheron-astill new to linux, less than a year working with it, although i worked with UNIX at HP16:40
lotuspsychjecool16:40
ducassegood old hp-ux :)16:40
acheron-aand just last week, i moved from mint to ubuntu distro16:40
acheron-ayup16:40
lotuspsychjesmart move :p16:41
acheron-ayeah16:45
acheron-ai liked it but then they started writing there own x-apps to replace the gnome ones and then they lost focus on fixing bigger issues16:46
acheron-alike grub2 install failures ... lol16:47
acheron-aand sound16:47
acheron-ai have a linux certified hardware computer, there is no reason i should have an issue with sound, and i dont under any other distro but mint 18.016:48
lotuspsychjemint brrrr16:48
acheron-aso yeah, just waved by-bye16:48
lotuspsychjemmm hastebin is so good for my eyes16:54
* lotuspsychje loves syntax highlight16:54
OerHekswouldn't it be nice, to have an option ubuntu-minimal / standard and / complete ( =internet required)16:57
lotuspsychjeyes!16:58
lotuspsychjewhere can we vote OerHeks :P16:58
OerHeksand with 'complete' you can add your own selection16:58
OerHeksincl kernel ppa and driver ppa and such16:59
lotuspsychjeppa will never happen though16:59
OerHeksubuntu-minimal / standard and / complete plus / advanced16:59
acheron-a<-- has zero ppas16:59
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: good idea mate17:00
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: i always love when the user is left for the choice17:00
OerHekswith an option to save the script, would be handy too17:01
OerHeksextention .usp ubuntu snappy preseed17:02
lotuspsychjecool17:03
OerHekshot17:04
lotuspsychjelol17:04
lotuspsychje!ping17:50
ubot5pong!17:50
OerHeks!info csmash17:55
ubot5csmash (source: csmash): CannonSmash, a table tennis simulation game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.6-6.7ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 126 kB, installed size 549 kB17:55
lotuspsychjecool17:55
lotuspsychjeany good?17:55
OerHekshmm.. silly17:56
lotuspsychjecant be worst then atari's pong?17:57
OerHekshttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/ping_pong.1.html17:59
lotuspsychjelol17:59
OerHekssymantec trouble https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-dev/eUAKwjihhBs/rpxMXjZHCQAJ18:04
tsimonq2nicomachus: Joey is the head writer for OMG! Ubuntu!18:12
tsimonq2nicomachus: And no, I don't write for OMG! Ubuntu!18:12
lotuspsychjelol18:13
nicomachustsimonq2: is it a requirement to write it as OMG! Ubuntu! every time? If so, I've been failing.18:22
lotuspsychjehi de-facto & baizon18:23
tsimonq2nicomachus: Preeeetty much :P18:23
baizonhi hi lotuspsychje18:23
lotuspsychjei wonder how come users still choose non-lts, as LTS is showed first on ubuntu downloads right?19:03
naccafaik, yes19:04
lotuspsychjeUbuntu 16.1019:05
lotuspsychjeThe latest version of the Ubuntu operating system for desktop PCs and laptops, Ubuntu 16.10 comes with nine months of security and maintenance updates.19:05
lotuspsychjeyep shows second19:05
OerHeksnew newer newest .. not yet ready is oke19:05
lotuspsychjeof course it doesnt mention it can go wrong sometimes19:06
lotuspsychjeand users habit to choose always latest version?19:06
lotuspsychjelike ppl always asking for w10 lol19:06
lotuspsychjebut some machines benefit latest, so its bit tricky for new users what to choose19:09
BluesKaj.019:10
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lotuspsychjebbl guys19:15
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