[00:15] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: No, unity is a "plugin" (actually Unity is a Compiz plugin) in gnome .
[00:24] <acheron-a> Bashing-om, okay, thanks for that knowledge
[00:25] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Believe me, it is all a process in learning , I am just now beginning up on that steeper learning curve :)
[00:32] <acheron-a> ;)
[02:13] <Bashing-om> !15.04
[02:32] <tsimonq2> !12.04
[04:29] <acheron-a> Bashing-om, just did a complete fresh install and restored all data!
[04:30] <acheron-a> about 1 hr from start to finish and that includes all updates
[04:30] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: In under 20 minutes too !
[04:32] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: I keep backups current - I have had practice and can RE-install fully in 15 minutes :)
[04:33] <acheron-a> wow, that is impressive!
[04:33] <acheron-a> could never even dream of doing this in window$
[04:34] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Good backup routine ,, and practice !
[04:35] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: If ya only knew how long it has taken me to learn how not to break the system .
[04:35] <acheron-a> lol ... yeah, i believe it
[04:38] <acheron-a> i am now all FOSS
[04:38] <Bashing-om> And no virus ! acheron-a !!
[06:52] <ducasse> morning all
[06:52] <tsimonq2> Morning ducasse
[06:52] <tsimonq2> How are you?
[06:53] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[07:04] <tsimonq2> Pretty good. :)
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <ducasse> wb lordievader
[07:23] <lordievader> o/
[10:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:12] <OerHeks> hi BluesKaj
[10:13] <BluesKaj> Hey OerHeks
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:39] <ducasse> hiya lotuspsychje, finally awake? ;)
[12:39] <brunch875> good afternoon, lotuspsychje
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse lol
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> hi brunch875
[12:41] <brunch875> I finally jumped to daily build, expecting everything to break all the time
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i never sleep out long, always early birds
[12:41] <brunch875> but what a disappointment to realize nothing has crashed yet
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: daily of what?
[12:41] <brunch875> ubuntu!
[12:41] <brunch875> zesty zapus
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> right
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> final beta today?
[12:42] <brunch875> no idea, is it?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-final-beta-lands-late-tomorrow-freeze-now-in-effect-514147.shtml
[12:42] <brunch875> I tried installing it some months ago, but the liveUSB would freeze so I thought it was too fresh
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> ill stay oof non-lts myself
[12:43] <brunch875> but about two days ago I tried reinstalling ubuntu and saw that it happened as well with any, including LTS
[12:43] <brunch875> turns out the thumb drive was faulty
[12:43] <ducasse> i've been running zesty for a while now, haven't had any issues.
[12:43] <brunch875> so I just grabbed an external hdd and installed zesty from there
[12:44] <brunch875> ducasse: the only issue I've stumbled upon is no thumbnails
[12:46] <BluesKaj> been running zesty since the toolchainwas uploaded, had some nvidia driver issues about a month ago , but now all seems ok on beta2
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic zesty
[12:49] <ducasse> brunch875: i get thumbnails in thunar, just tested.
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/netflix-finally-adds-support-firefox-linux
[12:56] <BluesKaj> heh, tried FF52 yesterday, didn't work very well on my zesty setup ...slow and clunky, pages took ages to load
[12:56] <brunch875> BluesKaj: anything fancy with FF52?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> brunch875, not that i noticed, but it was so frustrating I dumped it
[12:57] <brunch875> i hope firefox succeeds
[12:58] <brunch875> I have keen eyes on rust
[12:58] <brunch875> welp, time to go
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> hi philipballew
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox zesty
[13:03] <lordievader> Firefox 54 is quite nice, now that they've explored the multiprocess realm a bit more :)
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> howdy lordievader
[13:04] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[13:05] <daftykins> \o
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[13:06]  * daftykins strolls in with the cat on his lap
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:07] <daftykins> ;D
[13:07] <daftykins> (explains the funny walk)
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/entroware-launches-ubuntu-powered-kratos-3000-laptop-with-nvidia-gtx-1050-gpu-514162.shtml
[13:08] <daftykins> still see a big problem with "laptop" and "gamers" in the same sentence, but even more so once you put "ubuntu" in with them
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah those nasty high end games will be a no-no
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: but will be a fine steam machine right?
[13:10] <daftykins> only if you want to play the reduced number of games that run
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> a linux steam machine that is :p
[13:12] <daftykins> yeah therein lies the problem
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> someday one will find a multi Os app to play whatever game
[13:15] <daftykins> mmm not for as long as making games involves business rules
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> i mean like some sort of deamons tools-like-multiOs app that could mount whatever game on whatever <Os
[13:17] <daftykins> but games haven't been disc image based forever, access to the files isn't the problem - it's simply the compatibility
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: one day mate :p
[13:18] <daftykins> nah you just won't get DX12 functionality on Loonix
[13:19] <pauljw> someday you'll play your games from the chip inside your head
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah, ive read something about a chip somwhere
[13:20]  * lotuspsychje is trying to recall
[13:20] <pauljw> heheh
[13:20] <daftykins> it's already in! ;)
[13:20] <pauljw> :)
[13:20] <OerHeks> croky or lays chips?
[13:21] <pauljw> lays are the best!
[13:21] <OerHeks> paprika, cheese-onion or BBQ
[13:21] <OerHeks> ugh, low fat chips
[13:21] <pauljw> potatoe
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: think it was facebook, doing something with out brain
[13:24] <pauljw> oh, sounds like most of facebook.
[13:26] <pauljw> how's your business coming along, lotuspsychje?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: slowly, still working on my store room
[13:28] <pauljw> :) these things take time.  glad you're still working at it.
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> the promo usb's are ready to be sent
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> but my room needs to be finished and other work at our new home
[13:29] <pauljw> :)
[13:29] <daftykins> what's on these flash drives?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: empty for my existing customers, named the usb at my business name :p
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> 8gig
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> with logo printed on it
[13:30] <daftykins> oh ok
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: mostly to learn newbies to save their fav pics or data :p
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> we of course sneeze out noses with 8gig
[13:31] <daftykins> as do we about considering flash drives any level of backup ;)
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> its free right, they cant complain much
[13:35] <pauljw> heheh, linux is free too, but just listen to daftykins complain about it... :D
[13:35] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: You are underestimating people...
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hows that?
[13:36] <daftykins> i believe the 'free' in relation to Linux is more freedom and not the lack of a price tag :>
[13:36] <daftykins> and regardless of either, it still has massive failings brought about by having too many infighting nerds behind the scenes
[13:37] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: People complain about everything. And if they can't, they complain about not being able to complain.
[13:38] <pauljw> i'm sure there is non of that going on at MS or Apple
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: lol
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: ill try to choose customers that wont complain too much
[13:38] <daftykins> pauljw: oh i never claim they're any better, but they don't result in an inconsistent mess of an OS, which Linux distros are
[13:40] <pauljw> daftykins, i think that really is a result of the freedom to create.  openness is kinda messy.
[13:40] <daftykins> but a bad result, too many nerds going "i can do it better!"
[13:40] <pauljw> who do you restrict?? and why?? can't really do that in FOSS
[13:42] <daftykins> it's not about controlling it like that, it's about having the sense to say "work against these design principles so you're not reinventing the wheel every time"
[13:45] <pauljw> you can say it, but you can't prevent me from reinventing the wheel if i choose to do so.  i understand what you're saying daftykins, it just won't work in the open environment without taking someones freedom to choose away.  at least i don't see a way to do so.
[13:46]  * lotuspsychje is kinda lost
[13:47] <daftykins> right but then you just end up having to unlearn and relearn with every single program you use
[13:47] <daftykins> and that - is a complete joke
[13:50] <pauljw> i guess i'm just simple minded and don't use my system because i've yet to have to unlearn and relearn much of anything with the programs i use.  learning linux was a curve coming from windows, but once i got comfortable i haven't had any issues.
[13:52] <OerHeks> after 2 years, i learned that looking for registration ubuntu software is useless
[13:52] <BluesKaj> heh, I'm less comfortable with windows now than linux . I've been on linux much longer than windows
[13:52] <daftykins> i do a lot more than just sorta desktop class use so i see a lot of fuck ups :)
[13:53] <pauljw> :)
[13:54] <daftykins> that's ignoring all the hardware support woes too
[13:54] <nicomachus> tsimonq2: just saw your highlight from last night. Who's Joey?
[13:54] <daftykins> sounded like a journo at omgubuntu or something
[13:55] <nicomachus> is tsimonq2 associated with omgubuntu? that would be some handy info to know
[13:55] <pauljw> well, it's hard to blame linux for unsupported hardware.
[13:56] <daftykins> the blame isn't important, it's accepting that the situation sucks unless you cherry pick hardware
[13:56] <daftykins> i'm neither for one nor the other, all OSs suck
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> and linux sucks less
[13:57] <daftykins> nope
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> for me it does
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is perfect for what i do
[13:57] <daftykins> you can't know if you haven't used the current editions of all the choices :)
[13:57] <daftykins> and know how to drive 'em
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> you cant have 100% perfect in life
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> we'll have to move to paradise
[14:00] <daftykins> no, but fanboyism over one side is just stupid :)
[14:01] <pauljw> i find that intel processors and hp printers make for a very compatible out of the box experience.  i stick to LTS builds and don't have any issues.  if i want games, i'll buy a playstation.
[14:01] <nicomachus> s/playstation/xbox/
[14:01] <daftykins> well it's wifi cards that are the main problem even today
[14:01] <nicomachus> :P
[14:03] <pauljw> having a preference isn't fanboyism.  it's not like i didn't get abused by MS for decades prior to discovering linux.  i just choose not to deal with them any longer. :)
[14:04] <daftykins> i'm not saying you're showing fanboyism, i'm saying anyone who pisses on Windows and says Ubuntu is all great is part of the problem
[14:05] <daftykins> just as those who say the inverse are too
[14:05] <pauljw> true
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> windows has bigger security holes then linux, ill stay off it
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> every win box i need to repair is like an ant nest of malware and virus
[14:07] <daftykins> that's bullshit
[14:07] <daftykins> they both get major ones all the time
[14:08] <daftykins> and that's down to the users not knowing how to drive it, same problem going into #ubuntu and seeing idiots loading up with PPAs and hosing their installations
[14:08] <daftykins> sorry lotus but you're dragging yourself down by saying silly things like that
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> i speak of what i see every day in my experience
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> all the customers boxes with windows that i need to fix are a nightmare
[14:10] <daftykins> yes, but as i say that' down to the users, it's not the OS's fault
[14:10] <daftykins> *that's
[14:10] <daftykins> your average user is the kind that closes a window saying "install updates?" :)
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> its true that users help messing up their systems, but its not normal users just browse the web and catch malware without knowing it tru exploit holes
[14:12] <daftykins> maybe if they're unpatched, but that's again mostly down to being users
[14:12] <daftykins> so again moot
[14:13] <daftykins> plenty of high-brow security woes in the last 2 years on the Linux side
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> every Os has security holes, but i like more the linux way of solving
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> besides, i never had to fix a broken ubuntu system yet
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> cant say that from windows
[14:14] <daftykins> really? because i saw plenty in #ubuntu .
[14:14] <daftykins> and that'll solely be down to how few folk use it in comparison
[14:15] <OerHeks> if you cannot use the computer without mouse, don't linux.
[14:15] <OerHeks> :-D
[14:15] <pauljw> heheh
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> i admin humans are inventive to bork a system by nature
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> admit
[14:17] <BluesKaj> been linuxing for 12 yrs with a mouse. it works for me :-)
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> 2017 will be year of linux
[14:18] <BluesKaj> hate to use the phrase "keyboard snobs" , but i just did :-)
[14:18] <pauljw> OerHeks, i see that as a problem in #ubuntu.  too often a user has a problem that has a gui method of correcting yet no one mentions it and pushes them to a terminal.  that intimidates many newbies and they never learn of the easier (for them) to use gui method.
[14:20] <OerHeks> pauljw, true, while tons of users demand the comandline expression, how to start a gui program :-D
[14:20] <pauljw> :)
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> 1800 users in #ubuntu with like 1700 idlers and 90 system borkers and 10 trolls
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> that looks like a fair number to the million happy ubuntu users no?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> or the trillion linux users?
[14:22] <pauljw> i'm an idler because i'm here for the education... ;)
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:24] <pauljw> it's true, i'm not qualified to offer assistance and i know it, but i do learn from others mistakes and the help offered by our experts.
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Nordish-670159996
[14:26] <BluesKaj> my lack of unity gnome experience reduces my participation in #ubuntu somewhat, but we all do what we can.
[14:26] <daftykins> pauljw: mmm i agree with what you said about GUI vs CLI, but then we've all seen how the GUI updater fails or breaks things and doesn't show the problem, so often CLI only package management is the way to go :<
[14:27] <daftykins> another example, when the additional drivers installation progress seizes, with a query / package management error hiding behind it that you can't see
[14:27] <pauljw> i agree with that, package management via cli gives much better feedback.
[14:28] <pauljw> i do all my updating via cli and ssh into the other systems on the network to keep them updated without bothering my wife to do so.
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> john doe doesnt like the terminal :p
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> he likes click & go
[14:30] <pauljw> the terminal is just different and foreign to gui users.  if they're really interested in the OS, they'll learn it.  otherwise, they're just pc users and will never learn more than how to turn it on and run the installed software.
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: my goal with my business is to make users creative, curious to learn new things
[14:32] <pauljw> it's why i think pushing linux on the world is a bad idea.  the world just needs to discover it one geek at a time...
[14:32] <pauljw> good goal, lotuspsychje
[14:32] <pauljw> but, you will be frustrated... :)
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: i wont
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> i switched alot of guys from win to ubuntu already without any complaints
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> some geeks, dont know yet they are one, and need someone to show the existence of linux
[14:36] <daftykins> they must be very basic users
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: not everyone is so needy like us right
[14:37] <pauljw> that's true, lotuspsychje but they're still few and far between.  lots of frustrating folks along the way.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> any Os got its frustrations
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> mac, ios, android frustrations all over
[14:38] <BluesKaj> some ppl don't want to know the cli , a gui is a tool good enough for their needs
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:38] <pauljw> yep
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> but behind the GUI, the cli is working anyway
[14:39] <daftykins> i know for a fact any of my clients or friends would be a mistake to put Linux in for
[14:39] <pauljw> well, we know that...
[14:39] <daftykins> :>
[14:39] <BluesKaj> no doubt about that
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> i also have customers i would never suggest ubuntu to
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:40] <OerHeks> all i run into are linux users that 'know it all about ubuntu through the media'
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: what did they hear exactly then?
[14:42] <OerHeks> It is a spying linux version with too old packages and blame it all on ubuntu, like systemd and amdgpu
[14:42] <OerHeks> :-D
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:56] <nicomachus> https://i.redd.it/w8jguf2lc5ny.png
[14:57] <pauljw> biab... going to get daughter's boyfriend.
[15:53] <pauljw> back
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: wb
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> hi nacc & Wirehunter
[16:05] <pauljw> ty
[16:05] <Wirehunter> Hi
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: its like a cult poster :p
[16:06] <nacc> lotuspsychje: morning!
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> nacc: ready to serve & support my man :p
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> howdy acheron-a
[16:10] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: it's a Game of Thrones thing
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: oh, didnt follow that
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> everyone says i should
[16:11] <ducasse> good reason not to.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:11] <nicomachus> you should.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> i hear some say, its better then lord of the rings n such?
[16:11] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, i honestly don't know, never seen breaking bad and game of thrones
[16:12] <nicomachus> OerHeks: where have you been for the last 5 years
[16:12] <nicomachus> :P
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:13] <nacc> the book are good -- the show is fun, but very hbo :)
[16:13] <nacc> *books
[16:14] <OerHeks> i mis-traveled time, i am catchin up now with Southpark & Elementary ...
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:14] <nacc> heh
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> well i have to admit im not really a series guy, rather a good movie
[16:16] <OerHeks> yeah, romantic and with a deeper spirit
[16:16]  * OerHeks hides
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> anyone seen who am i yet? that german hacker movie
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnjheCqRIs
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> for those who feel bit nerdy tonight lol
[16:19] <ducasse> just watched last season of inside no. 9, fantastic stuff but dark.
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: url?
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> never heard of that
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> !info shotcut
[16:26] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_No._9 and trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5E2Z1NHXMA
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: tnx
[16:29] <nicomachus> youtube-dl can be so frustrating sometimes. when it's not being a miracle program.
[16:29] <nicomachus> I think I expect too much of it.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: that looks pretty weird
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !info nomnom | nicomachus
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: (didnt test myself)
[16:34] <acheron-a> hello everyone!
[16:34] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[16:34] <EriC^^> how
[16:34] <EriC^^> how
[16:34] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[16:34] <EriC^^> damn keyboard :D
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> howdy acheron-a how did the helpdesk go today
[16:35] <acheron-a> helpdesk?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: didnt you work in IT?
[16:35] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it definitely is, but it is also very, very good :)
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ok ill try one :p
[16:35] <acheron-a> i have but not at a helpdesk
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> acheron-a: what do you do then?
[16:37] <acheron-a> right now i just work at home
[16:37] <acheron-a> i took a leave package from Hewlett-Packard
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> ah, thought i see you mention helpdesk in earlier chats..must be confused
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: fine here tnx , and you?
[16:38] <pauljw> hey EriC^^
[16:39] <acheron-a> oh, i think i commented about learning from watching the help channel
[16:39] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, pauljw
[16:40] <pauljw> hi ducasse :)
[16:40] <acheron-a> still new to linux, less than a year working with it, although i worked with UNIX at HP
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:40] <ducasse> good old hp-ux :)
[16:40] <acheron-a> and just last week, i moved from mint to ubuntu distro
[16:40] <acheron-a> yup
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> smart move :p
[16:45] <acheron-a> yeah
[16:46] <acheron-a> i liked it but then they started writing there own x-apps to replace the gnome ones and then they lost focus on fixing bigger issues
[16:47] <acheron-a> like grub2 install failures ... lol
[16:47] <acheron-a> and sound
[16:48] <acheron-a> i have a linux certified hardware computer, there is no reason i should have an issue with sound, and i dont under any other distro but mint 18.0
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> mint brrrr
[16:48] <acheron-a> so yeah, just waved by-bye
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> mmm hastebin is so good for my eyes
[16:54]  * lotuspsychje loves syntax highlight
[16:57] <OerHeks> wouldn't it be nice, to have an option ubuntu-minimal / standard and / complete ( =internet required)
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> yes!
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> where can we vote OerHeks :P
[16:58] <OerHeks> and with 'complete' you can add your own selection
[16:59] <OerHeks> incl kernel ppa and driver ppa and such
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> ppa will never happen though
[16:59] <OerHeks> ubuntu-minimal / standard and / complete plus / advanced
[16:59] <acheron-a> <-- has zero ppas
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good idea mate
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: i always love when the user is left for the choice
[17:01] <OerHeks> with an option to save the script, would be handy too
[17:02] <OerHeks> extention .usp ubuntu snappy preseed
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:04] <OerHeks> hot
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> !ping
[17:55] <OerHeks> !info csmash
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> any good?
[17:56] <OerHeks> hmm.. silly
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> cant be worst then atari's pong?
[17:59] <OerHeks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/ping_pong.1.html
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:04] <OerHeks> symantec trouble https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-dev/eUAKwjihhBs/rpxMXjZHCQAJ
[18:12] <tsimonq2> nicomachus: Joey is the head writer for OMG! Ubuntu!
[18:12] <tsimonq2> nicomachus: And no, I don't write for OMG! Ubuntu!
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:22] <nicomachus> tsimonq2: is it a requirement to write it as OMG! Ubuntu! every time? If so, I've been failing.
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto & baizon
[18:23] <tsimonq2> nicomachus: Preeeetty much :P
[18:23] <baizon> hi hi lotuspsychje
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how come users still choose non-lts, as LTS is showed first on ubuntu downloads right?
[19:04] <nacc> afaik, yes
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> Ubuntu 16.10
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> The latest version of the Ubuntu operating system for desktop PCs and laptops, Ubuntu 16.10 comes with nine months of security and maintenance updates.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> yep shows second
[19:05] <OerHeks> new newer newest .. not yet ready is oke
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> of course it doesnt mention it can go wrong sometimes
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> and users habit to choose always latest version?
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> like ppl always asking for w10 lol
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> but some machines benefit latest, so its bit tricky for new users what to choose
[19:10] <BluesKaj> .0
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys