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| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
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| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 15:01:31 2017 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:01 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round | ||
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson rbalint) | 15:02 |
| slangasek | tdaitx infinity doko barry robru sil2100 chiluk rbalint slangasek cyphermox bdmurray caribou xnox mwhudson | 15:02 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: tag | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | = JCK | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | * firewall exception to run interactive tests not working | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | * executing full tests | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | = Other | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | * Checking a few openjdk-7/openjdk-8 errors on error tracker | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - unable to find a reproducer for GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex; error is still being reported on Trusty though, might be related to LP: #1499747 but need a reproducer to check if glib update fixes that | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1499747 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "gedit crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499747 | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - An awt bug happening since 8u121-b13-0ubuntu1.16.04.2 which seems like a regression; working on a reproducer | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | (done) | 15:02 |
| infinity | - Wasted some time trying unsuccessfully to smooth over the kernel/snappy issues. | 15:03 |
| infinity | - Helped sort out a glibc security regression. | 15:03 |
| infinity | - glibc uploads to zesty. | 15:03 |
| infinity | - SRU/AA faff. | 15:03 |
| infinity | - Beta, beta, beta. | 15:03 |
| infinity | (done) | 15:03 |
| slangasek | doko is off | 15:04 |
| slangasek | barry is off | 15:04 |
| slangasek | robru: | 15:04 |
| robru | britney | 15:04 |
| robru | * reviewed a couple branches by laney | 15:04 |
| robru | * made Email Policy resend mails periodically, with a decreasing frequency | 15:04 |
| robru | archive maintenance | 15:04 |
| robru | * troubleshoot a number of packages stuck in proposed (mentored by cyphermox) | 15:04 |
| robru | * poked at curl, which is blocked by MIR of two new dependencies | 15:04 |
| robru | (done) | 15:04 |
| cyphermox | robru: did you file the MIR bugs or update them? I could review those | 15:05 |
| bdmurray | robru: was there any discussion about stable releases? | 15:05 |
| robru | bdmurray: stable releases still not being emailed as far as I know. do you want that? | 15:05 |
| robru | cyphermox: yeah I think mterry is on top of those two MIRs, was just blocked trying to find a team bug subscriber, which is settled now | 15:06 |
| slangasek | no sil2100? | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | alrighty | 15:06 |
| slangasek | chiluk: | 15:06 |
| chiluk | * Been mostly working on quite a few ceph and ceph performance issues lately, so not much foundation-y stuff. | 15:06 |
| chiluk | * 2 half days PTO | 15:06 |
| chiluk | - done - | 15:06 |
| robru | cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpsl/+bug/1668568 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libidn2-0/+bug/1668566 both "fix committed" not sure what else needs to happen to finish those off | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1668568 in libpsl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libpsl" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1668566 in libidn2-0 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libidn2-0" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | aye aye | 15:07 |
| cyphermox | fix committed means it's approved, just needs magic AA powers to complete | 15:07 |
| slangasek | rbalint: welcome :) | 15:08 |
| slangasek | rbalint: your turn, if you have anything | 15:08 |
| rbalint | * entered the foundation team just earlier this week (Hello, Everyone! :-)) | 15:08 |
| rbalint | * triaged nama's ftbfs looks like to be caused by perl bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839218 | 15:08 |
| rbalint | * pushed forward boost1.62 transition providing patches for the last 3 packages to transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.62.html | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 839218 in perl "Perl 5.24 makes nama FTBFS due to segfault" [Serious,Open] | 15:08 |
| rbalint | seems I should copy one by one :-) | 15:08 |
| slangasek | robru, bdmurray: I guess the mail policy for stable releases needs to be different, since a one-day delay in migrating isn't "stuck" | 15:08 |
| tdaitx | rbalint, hi there! welcome =) | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | I think Laney might have said everything in -proposed for stable would appear stuck. | 15:09 |
| slangasek | rbalint: oh oops, I removed nama from zesty-proposed because I had assumed that was a bug in nama rather than perl; should I un-delete it? | 15:09 |
| Laney | hi | 15:10 |
| rbalint | slangasek: i think it can be readed | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | slangasek: needs fixing in Debian first, no need to undelete it, I'd say | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | oh? | 15:10 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: according to rbalint the bug is perl rather than nama | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | well, yeah, but in the meantime it's still broken | 15:10 |
| rbalint | it can be fixed in perl or nama by a workaround | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | oh, I didn't remember that | 15:10 |
| rbalint | cyphermox: it just came up today | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | rbalint: do you have the workaround ready? we could land that and unblock it once re-added? | 15:11 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: yes, but once perl is fixed we still won't have a nama package in the archive unless the Debian maintainer happens to upload a new one | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * systemd SRU (LP: #1673860, LP: #1647031, LP: #1651518). | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * ordered more memory for laptop, so I can run a web browser | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * discussions around signed custom kernels for ubuntu-core | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * debugging of k8s testsuite failures in GCE | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * worked on shim-signed, which we've just gotten our first signed binary through the new community process (https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/47438.html) | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1673860 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd-resolved unit should run Before=network-online.target" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673860 | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * proposed-migration un-sticking work | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1647031 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd-resolved’s 127.0.0.53 server does not follow CNAME records" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647031 | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1651518 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd/logind parsing problem: HTX exercisers stopped on error: rc 11, errno 11 from main(): pthread_create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1651518 | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * have requested more email reminders about stuck packages | 15:11 |
| slangasek | * miscellaneous ppc64el triage and uploads | 15:11 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | - multipath-tools fix for missing dm-queue-length + SRUs | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | - multipath-tools path-selector change | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | - merge slideshow update for mascot | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | - more slideshow merges to complete for 17.04 updates | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | - shim testing and grub2 changes for shim SRUs. | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | - subiquity livefs fixes | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | - netplan cloned mac support / convincing systemd-networkd to properly apply .li | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | nk file changes | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | - "mentoring" rbalint on +1 maintenance | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | (done) | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | cyphermox: why the quotes? | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | wtf, vi | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | had apport updated in staging / production Error Tracker | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | looked for and found other crashes which make gdb sad | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | reported snappy bug (LP: #1674847) regarding manifest files | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | fixed snap of apport so that hooks get run, logging works | 15:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1674847 in Snappy "produce package lists for Ubuntu Core versions on the web" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674847 | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: because the force is strong with rbalint. | 15:12 |
| bdmurray | confirmed apport snap catches cores of other snaps | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | created an ubuntu-core general hook for apport snap | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | modified ubuntu-core hook to capture dpkg.list file, "snap --version" | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | modified ubuntu-core hook to not complain about free space | 15:13 |
| rbalint | cyphermox: :-) | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | uploaded SRUs of update-notifier / update-manager for LP: #1654008 | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | improved test case for LP: #1623856, uploaded aptdaemon Y SRU | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | troubleshoot of my upgrade to Yakkety | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1654008 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Xenial) "/usr/bin/update-manager:OverflowError:/usr/bin/update-manager@117" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654008 | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1623856 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Scrolled Windows in update-manager are too small to read" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623856 | 15:13 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | (it's weird to say that when I've never watched any star wars) | 15:13 |
| caribou | Bugfix: | 15:13 |
| caribou | LP #1654600 : unattended-upgrades breaks shutdown when /var is FS | 15:13 |
| caribou | - Created DEP8 tests for new systemd fix | 15:13 |
| caribou | - Needs review before upload | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1654600 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "unattended-upgrade-shutdown hangs when /var is a separate filesystem" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654600 | 15:13 |
| caribou | LP: #1342580 : tftp does not start | 15:14 |
| caribou | - Applied SRU version break suggestion & re-uploaded | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1342580 in tftp-hpa (Ubuntu Yakkety) "tftpd-hpa doesn't start on boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342580 | 15:14 |
| caribou | Sponsored LP: #1566508 & rolled back | 15:14 |
| caribou | Sponsored LP: #1590799 | 15:14 |
| caribou | Reviewed LP: #1645324 for sponsoring & provided comments | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1566508 in sssd (Ubuntu Trusty) "autofs races with sssd on startup" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566508 | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1590799 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Zesty) "nfs-kernel-server does not start because of dependency failure" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590799 | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1645324 in ebtables (Ubuntu Trusty) "ebtables: Lock file should be moved from /var/lib/ebtables to /run" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645324 | 15:14 |
| caribou | Need AA magic on releasing tomsfastmath into Main following MIR completion | 15:14 |
| caribou | - LP: #1619239 | 15:14 |
| caribou | - Will unblock clamav from zesty-proposed | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1619239 in tomsfastmath (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tomsfastmath (runtime dependency of clamav)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619239 | 15:14 |
| caribou | Meetings | 15:14 |
| caribou | ☑ Done | 15:14 |
| tdaitx | cyphermox, didn't you meant to say "it's weird that I've never watched any star wars"? | 15:14 |
| cyphermox | not really no | 15:15 |
| bdmurray | cyphermox: is that some kind of choice? | 15:15 |
| cyphermox | I litterally didn't have to do anythign | 15:15 |
| cyphermox | don't know, it never came up, I was never interested, I've got plenty with Trek | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | cue holy war: Star Trek vs. Star Wars. | 15:16 |
| bdmurray | xnox is still on holiday right? | 15:16 |
| gaughen | bdmurray, yes | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | are we at AOB now then? | 15:17 |
| bdmurray | I thought there was somebody after xnox | 15:18 |
| slangasek | it was mwhudson next | 15:18 |
| slangasek | and he gets a pass | 15:18 |
| slangasek | because he's so far off the edge of the world I don't even know how to look up his TZ | 15:18 |
| slangasek | any questions on status? | 15:18 |
| gaughen | not from me | 15:19 |
| bdmurray | No, but could we talk about emails for SRUs stuck in -proposed? | 15:19 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] emails for SRUs stuck in -proposed | 15:19 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: emails for SRUs stuck in -proposed | ||
| slangasek | ok let's talk :) | 15:19 |
| slangasek | but also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/05/tourist-claims-detained-kazakhstan-officials-refused-believe/ | 15:20 |
| rbalint | cyphermox: if you miss star wars :-) telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | https://xkcd.com/1769/ | 15:20 |
| bdmurray | Laney: You have an opinion on not sending emails right? | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | oh, IPv6 has extra bling | 15:21 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: it lies | 15:22 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: also like there is a war, firefly all the way ;) | 15:22 |
| bdmurray | Well he said things are expected to delayed in -proposed for some period of time. | 15:23 |
| slangasek | yes | 15:23 |
| slangasek | so emailing folks after a single day of a package in -proposed for an SRU would be annoying and not helpful | 15:23 |
| Laney | bdmurray: don't you already have tooling to mail people? | 15:23 |
| bdmurray | And that he thought > 10 days was common. | 15:23 |
| Laney | Anyway, two practical issues | 15:23 |
| slangasek | Laney: yes, but they only get emailed after 197 days or so | 15:23 |
| Laney | - Need to make the delay configurable | 15:23 |
| cyphermox | there was a bit of discussion on the exact process for emailing yesterday in #u-release... robru? | 15:23 |
| cyphermox | ah, Laney's there. | 15:24 |
| slangasek | configurable by whom / how? | 15:24 |
| robru | Hmm? | 15:24 |
| bdmurray | Laney: it comments on the bugs purported to be fixed by the SRU if its in -proposed for > 90 days or so | 15:24 |
| Laney | - Blocked packages, of which SRUs all are, won't trigger emails, so need to deal with that somehow | 15:24 |
| Laney | slangasek: in the britney.conf, so by b1 | 15:24 |
| bdmurray | So it doesn't directly email the uploader | 15:24 |
| slangasek | Laney: ok, so configured per-suite, not per-package or per-uploader; fair | 15:24 |
| robru | We could make the threshold configurable in britney.conf, devel could be set to 3 days and stable could be set to 14 days or something | 15:24 |
| slangasek | robru: where did 3 days come from? | 15:25 |
| slangasek | changing the configuration for devel isn't on the table here :) | 15:25 |
| Laney | run | 15:25 |
| slangasek | Laney: ? | 15:25 |
| robru | slangasek: i decreased devel from 1 to 3 days because Laney wouldn't merge it with such a short repetition frequency | 15:26 |
| bdmurray | maybe its not a change slangasek and it's already 3 days! | 15:26 |
| slangasek | robru: but the first mail still comes out after 1 day? | 15:26 |
| robru | slangasek: no, the current email schedule for devel is day 3, 6, 12, 24, 48, 78, 108... | 15:27 |
| slangasek | robru: ok, that wasn't what we discussed, please change it back to sending the first mail at 1 day and *I'll* merge it | 15:27 |
| robru | slangasek: should i just make it configurable? | 15:27 |
| slangasek | robru: that's orthogonal | 15:28 |
| robru | slangasek: but why would i submit one branch to change it from 3 to 1, and then submit a second branch that makes it configurable? I can just make it configurable and then that solves both problems | 15:29 |
| slangasek | robru: because we haven't defined what all is configurable, and I want the devel thing fixed today :) | 15:30 |
| robru | slangasek: i can have a configuration branch submitted today | 15:30 |
| slangasek | robru: that is not the same as having the configuration branch reviewed, agreed, and merged today | 15:31 |
| robru | slangasek: ok I'll submit a 1-day-mail branch after breakfast then | 15:32 |
| slangasek | robru: thanks | 15:32 |
| slangasek | as for SRUs | 15:32 |
| Laney | robru: I think you need to restore the 1 or 5 thing | 15:32 |
| robru | Sigh | 15:32 |
| slangasek | where have we gotten to? | 15:32 |
| Laney | if you're doing that | 15:32 |
| slangasek | 1-or-5? | 15:32 |
| Laney | 1 if excuse.is_valid else 5 | 15:33 |
| Laney | or the other way around, I forget | 15:33 |
| robru | The other way | 15:33 |
| robru | I can't even remember why that existed | 15:33 |
| Laney | for things blocked at update_output.txt time, which need to be given more time | 15:34 |
| slangasek | ah | 15:34 |
| slangasek | seems fair | 15:34 |
| robru | Do those things really take more time? Isn't that just installability checks which would be known right away? Why does that take extra time? | 15:34 |
| slangasek | but I don't think we're converging on a plan for SRUs | 15:34 |
| Laney | you often have to sort out other packages | 15:34 |
| slangasek | so can we table this until after the meeting and take it up in #ubuntu-release? | 15:35 |
| infinity | It *can* take extra time, or it *might* be an indication of a bug. | 15:35 |
| Laney | it'll still be a bug in 5 days | 15:35 |
| slangasek | (US table, not UK table) | 15:35 |
| infinity | Failing in output checks doesn't necessarily mean a transition, it might be that you broke something. :P | 15:35 |
| Laney | ok, let's do that | 15:35 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:35 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:35 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else? | 15:35 |
| rbalint | slangasek: i was about to ask about the libssl 1.0.2 transition for zeisty | 15:36 |
| infinity | When is our team pony coming? | 15:36 |
| slangasek | rbalint: we are not transitioning to 1.0.2 for zesty | 15:36 |
| rbalint | ok | 15:36 |
| infinity | We carry a delta specifically to prevent transitioning. | 15:37 |
| rbalint | there are some packages on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_excuses.html which depend on 1.0.2 | 15:38 |
| slangasek | rbalint: xnox had taken the lead on that, maybe send an email to the list to ask about plans for 17.10 | 15:38 |
| slangasek | rbalint: transgui? | 15:38 |
| slangasek | that one's a mess and we don't need to spend time fixing it this cycle | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | yep transgui | 15:38 |
| rbalint | and a few others | 15:38 |
| slangasek | it should self-fix once we upgrade openssl | 15:38 |
| rbalint | but they don't seem to be important indeed | 15:39 |
| rbalint | i'm looking for important packages to fix on excuses list | 15:39 |
| slangasek | rbalint: hopefully most of the "important" ones aren't stuck there; but we still want to clean up -proposed as much as possible. It's just that for a package that is synced from Debian and needs no changes to be eventually correct, no clean-up is really needed (transgui) | 15:40 |
| slangasek | anything else? | 15:41 |
| cyphermox | I suppose looking at main mainly might be good, but as you said, the cleanup in general is important | 15:41 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 15:43:09 2017 UTC. | 15:43 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-03-23-15.01.moin.txt | 15:43 |
| slangasek | thanks, all! | 15:43 |
| rbalint | i remember a page for debian's testing migration which ordered blocked packages by the number and importance of other packages waiting for it | 15:43 |
| rbalint | but I can't find it now | 15:43 |
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