[00:37] <directhex> WHO HAS A PI 1?
[00:37] <zmoylan-pi> which pi 1? the pi a or b?
[00:38] <directhex> doesn't matter
[00:38] <directhex> as long as it runs raspbian jessie or above
[00:38] <popey> i have a pi zero booted if it helps
[00:38]  * zmoylan-pi pats my pi b...
[00:38] <directhex> what cpu arch is pi zero?
[00:38] <popey> same as 1
[00:38] <directhex> v6?
[00:38] <popey> ya
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> which pi zero? :-)
[00:38] <popey> w
[00:39] <directhex> https://twitter.com/directhex/status/845061252430860289
[00:39] <directhex> ^^
[00:39] <directhex> hm...
[00:39] <directhex> make that http://xamjenkinsartifact.blob.core.windows.net/specialthings/raspbian/results/
[00:40] <zmoylan-pi> pi zeros are quite rare though, aren't they? i usually just see people trying to order them as they keep running out of them
[00:41] <popey> deb [trusted=yes] http://xamjenkinsartifact.blob.core.windows.net/specialthings/raspbian/results/ ./
[00:41] <directhex> deb [trusted=yes] http://xamjenkinsartifact.blob.core.windows.net/specialthings/raspbian/results/ ./
[00:41] <popey> so that?
[00:41] <popey> hah
[00:41] <directhex> yes
[00:41] <popey> ok
[00:41] <directhex> or https, if you prefer, and have apt-transport-https installed
[00:42] <popey> forgot how slow these are
[00:43] <directhex> normal xamarin mono is built for v7, and throws SIGILL during GAC installation (which will happen when apt gets to libnunit-core2.6.3-cil)
[00:44] <ali1234> i have a A+
[00:44] <ali1234> it's closer to the Pi 1 than the zero is... slightly. same CPU though
[00:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24238073/
[00:44] <popey> this will take a while
[00:44] <popey> ali1234: hey, nice video on pimoroni!
[00:45] <ali1234> thanks :)
[00:45] <ali1234> it was fun
[00:45] <popey> yeah, it looked it
[00:45] <popey> such a brilliant idea too
[00:45] <popey> i have a couple of pi zeroes with usb headers badly soldered on with wires
[00:45] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: the new zero w is more expensive and less rare. not to hard to obtain
[00:46] <ali1234> popey: do you actually use device mode?
[00:46] <popey> yes
[00:46] <ali1234> what for?
[00:46] <ali1234> i cant figure out why people want it this
[00:46] <popey> when i want to test armv6 packages and dont have a display/keyboard
[00:46] <ali1234> hmm i guess without wifi it would be useful
[00:46] <popey> just have my laptop, so plug it in and run a shell script to setup ip forwarding
[00:47] <ali1234> network manager should be able to do that for you automatically...
[00:47] <popey> yeah, i faff with it
[00:47] <ali1234> a couple of ideas i came up with are a portable apache for demoing websites
[00:48] <ali1234> and exposing a USB storage device containing portable VNC, which then would connect to VNC running on the pi, making a portable desktop
[00:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24238084/ thats the script I run
[00:48] <popey> overkill probably
[00:48] <ali1234> there is also a potential to upload the operating system over USB, so without a SD card at all, ut i don't think it works currently
[00:49] <ali1234> that could be handled by regular hotplug firmware loading/udev rules
[00:49] <popey> directhex: finished downloading and installing chug chug chug
[00:50] <directhex> popey: should be 4.8.0.520?
[00:50] <popey> Setting up libmono-corlib4.5-cil (4.8.0.520-0xamarin3) ...
[00:50] <ali1234> so... is ARMv6 making a comeback then?
[00:50] <ali1234> the architecture that just wont die...
[00:51] <popey> well, on another machine I'm building gcc for armv6
[00:51] <popey> like you do
[00:51] <popey> ali1234: the other nice thing about your board is just the convenience of slapping it into a usb port with no cables
[00:52] <ali1234> yeah, that was my main design goal... keep it really tidy
[00:52] <ali1234> i have too many cables already
[00:52] <popey> usb ports are all over the place here, and with wifi pi zeros, it's a computer plugged into an old ipod charger
[00:53] <popey> directhex: what did you build this on/with?
[00:54] <ali1234> i cross compile everything with the linaro toolchain... but i'm targetting pi 3 mostly
[00:55] <ali1234> i build a raspbian chroot with multistrap and then use it as compiler sysroot
[00:56] <popey> directhex: done
[00:56] <popey> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ mono --version
[00:56] <popey> Mono JIT compiler version 4.8.0 (Stable 4.8.0.520/8f6d0f6 Thu Mar 23 22:40:02 UTC 2017)
[00:56] <directhex> popey: this is good news!
[00:57] <popey> super
[00:57] <directhex> popey: built it on my usual build farm. so this was on a tegra tk1
[00:57] <popey> neat
[00:58] <popey> i typically build in launchpad which i think means hp moonshot things
[00:58] <popey> (i don't really know)
[00:58] <directhex> big issue for us has been *publishing*, since you can't have v6 and v7 builds of the same package version in the same apt repo
[00:59] <popey> oof
[00:59] <popey> arm is wonderful, isn't it
[01:00] <directhex> raspbian repurposing "armhf" instead of adding a new intentionally-incompatible arch name helped nobody
[01:00] <ali1234> eh... blame raspbian/debian for using "armhf" to mean different things i guess
[01:00] <ali1234> yeah, that ^
[01:01] <popey> directhex: test complete?
[01:01] <popey> bed is calling
[01:01] <directhex> yes, thank you
[01:02] <popey> np
[01:02] <popey> nn
[01:02] <directhex> i have a new nearly-ready-to-deploy pipeline for mono package building, which allows targeting multiple distributions per release
[01:10] <ali1234> popey: that's a nice setup script, copying the ssh key etc. if you publish it somewher emore permanent i'd like to link it from zerostem.io
[06:53] <KnightMac> #join #oggcastplanet
[06:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:59] <KnightMac> hey MooDoo
[06:59] <KnightMac> how are you
[07:04] <MooDoo> KnightMac: very well thank you, and yourself?
[07:15] <knightwise> Doing ok ,
[07:15] <knightwise> last day of the week with a lot of stuff to do as ususal
[07:15] <knightwise> usual
[07:15] <knightwise> .. man its friday or what :)
[07:16] <SuperMatt> glad it's friday, to be sure
[07:29] <knightwise> True.
[07:34] <MooDoo> aye i'm ready for the weekend :)
[07:34] <SuperMatt> I'm certainly going to be on a go slow today
[07:34] <MooDoo> yeah, but I finish at 1:45 today so thats ok
[07:34] <SuperMatt> nice
[07:34] <SuperMatt> half day?
[07:35] <MooDoo> no, I work 6 - 1:45 on fridays
[07:35] <SuperMatt> oh right, poets day
[07:35] <MooDoo> hehe yeah sorta :) I pick the kids up from school so start earlier
[07:35] <SuperMatt> ah right, good idea
[07:36] <MooDoo> just so happens to be friday :)
[07:36] <SuperMatt> my wife doesn't work, so if we do have kids, I'll never be the one to pick them up :(
[07:37] <MooDoo> oh you can still pick them up, just turn up I do it all the time, they love the surprise :)
[07:37] <SuperMatt> that's a good idea
[07:37] <SuperMatt> got a few years before that happens though
[07:38] <MooDoo> :)
[07:52] <MooDoo> It'll be sooner than you think, time moves fast like that :)
[08:15] <diplo> Then they start wanting to walk themselves to and from school!
[08:15] <diplo> Morning all
[08:27] <SuperMatt> Oh but by that point I'll be sick of them anyway
[08:33] <MooDoo> diplo: know that feeling but she's only 5 lol
[08:35] <diplo> heh 8 and 10 for me
[08:36] <MooDoo> 5 / 8 for me :D
[08:50] <MooDoo> anyone going to GUADEC 2017
[08:59] <diplo> Not me
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: Me owld Mucka 'ow am ya? and happy Friday, 1 week till Caravan not that I'm counting or anything like that
[09:20] <MooDoo> just getting frustrated PICNIC ERROR
[09:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: I love that Geeks can make any issue into a food eating situation
[09:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think it is cus we're smarter than the average bear bobo
[09:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: especially since people don't know what PICNIC error means lol
[09:39] <foobarry> figner command only working with the username, not looking up firstname/surnames. any ideas?
[09:44] <davmor2> foobarry: try finger instead :P
[09:45] <foobarry> i have an alias in bashrc
[09:45] <foobarry> :D
[09:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Chocolate Covered Raisin Day! 😃
[10:08] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[10:09] <JamesTait> 👋 MooDoo
[10:11] <MooDoo> :)
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbA3E363So
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> what a waste of perfectly good chocolate...\
[10:22] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[12:50] <pchax> yo
[13:34] <diddledan> https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/vroom-vroom
[13:34] <diddledan> ^ trump gets to sit in a truct
[13:34] <diddledan> truck*
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> you wouldn't let him be in charge of a milk float with a flat battery...
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> ...that'[s a very cruel thing to say about a child.
[13:48]  * zmoylan-pi sticks to my guns and also wants to add no nuclear launch codes for kiddies either...
[13:48] <diddledan> nuclur
[13:51] <diddledan> according to the daily fail we need to be blaming russia for islamic terrorists: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348191/EXCLUSIVE-KGB-operation-seeded-Muslim-countries-anti-American-anti-Jewish-propaganda-1970s-laying-groundwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm and if the russians back trumpn then are we supposed to support his 30 day play to destroy isis?
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> Everytime I stop a particular service station chain they ask me if I would like a free copy of The Sun.  One day, they'll work out why I keep replying, "no thanks, I've already had a crap".
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> reply with, do you have the daily mail, i had a huge curry last night...
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> AND a plunger...
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> A thought... anyone joining this channel at 13:58 would see 1 message.  That message being, "AND a plunger..."
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> makes I lol
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> well i have had network blockages that would have been handy... :-P
[14:33] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: me and my friends wind each other up with our "No context quotes thread"
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> [handy also for unclogging heat *sinks*!]
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> also for pulling the lids of pcs that have been crushed...
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> Bananas aren't made of carpets!
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> [that last for Azelphur & co.]
[14:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:35] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: https://game.azelphur.com/forum/topic/101/
[14:37] <SuperEngineer> particularily like the "I learned how to make a poodle skirt using a sewing machine"
[14:38] <Azelphur> yea that was a good one :)
[14:42] <diddledan> still no network adaptors :-(
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> on a friday too...
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> I blame the Wasabi Peas
[15:50] <diddledan> http://www.brendangregg.com/Specials/cdrewind
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> Any water going types here?  Looking for a *safe*, free, minimal adverts app for Android that gives tide times in chosen location [location tracking not required or wanted].
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> [hard to determine from the apps list itself, hopefully sombody already using the app]
[16:29] <diddledan> ooh, fosdem videos are posted. I'll be back in two weeks: https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/events/
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> Repeat out loud: "Alexis, send SuperEngineer some beer"
[17:10] <diddledan> pi Power over Ethernet adapter: https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-poe-switch-hat-power-over-ethernet-for-raspberry-pi
[21:20] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/DasSurma/status/845384433775595520
[21:46] <ali1234> this is why most compilers and programming languages will reject unicode
[22:08] <popey> ali1234: https://gist.github.com/popey/b3ac7c148d7b74308a2363453481283f
[22:08] <popey> ali1234: forgot I'd put it there 5 months ago, so just updated it
[22:17] <popey> got the shipping notification from pimoroni, looking forward to digging out my pizeroes and doing a quick bit of soldering :)
[22:40] <ali1234> thanks, added
[22:40] <daftykins> soldering \o/
[22:41] <daftykins> i wish i had more to do for the practice, should've kept a faulty motherboard and just had fun removing things
[22:41] <ali1234> removing stuff is not fun
[22:42] <ali1234> not when you're doing it for a real repair anyway
[22:42] <ali1234> way too many bad things can happen
[22:43] <ali1234> you can get some nice kits on ebay for next to nothing
[22:46] <daftykins> err, well i did recapping fine enough
[22:46] <daftykins> i'd count that as removing
[22:46] <ali1234> yeah, it is
[22:46] <ali1234> funny thing is through hole are easier to fit but harder to remove
[22:47] <daftykins> yeah i did many on a fault board as my first job
[22:47] <daftykins> *faulty
[22:48] <daftykins> seemed pretty straightforward to me
[22:49] <diddledan> Or as Americans seem to insist on calling it: soddering
[22:49] <daftykins> :D
[22:50] <daftykins> i like to think of it as sáudering
[22:50] <diddledan> 'I'm going to sodder that bad boy later..'
[22:50] <daftykins> diddledan: Jim'll fix it
[22:51] <diddledan> Jim'll fiddle with you. And you, and you. And papa papa pa, just don't tell papa
[22:52] <diddledan> Ok that's bad taste ;-p
[22:52] <daftykins> crikey
[22:52] <daftykins> best part was i could hear the theme as i read it though
[22:55] <diddledan> I always read that name without the n: twinsenx
[22:56]  * diddledan boshes them for join/parting so often
[22:56] <daftykins> that's the first time i've seen that nick o0
[22:57] <diddledan> They never speak
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> if we started banning users for that... :-)
[22:59] <diddledan> Better to ban folk making songs for pederasts
[22:59] <diddledan> Oh wait..
[23:00] <diddledan> Forget that
[23:04] <diddledan> Is it bed time yet?
[23:04] <daftykins> i'm feeling that way
[23:04] <daftykins> just got prodded by these - http://i.imgur.com/e0RCn6E.jpg
[23:04] <diddledan> Aww
[23:05] <diddledan> Kittypaws are cute
[23:05] <daftykins> the weapons man! the weapons!
[23:05] <diddledan> Mind you, most kittythings are cute
[23:05] <daftykins> they make katana 'shing' sounds when she walks ;)
[23:05] <diddledan> Lol
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> right up until they decide to take a shortcut and jump onto you from stairs and land using claws for anchorage...
[23:06] <diddledan> Eep
[23:06] <daftykins> ah she did that on my lap out of the blue when i didn't even know she was in the room the other day, i had my forearms exposed on my lap and so suffered greatly
[23:06] <diddledan> They just wanna hug
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> and you have to stand their and patiently unplink each claw one by one till the cat detaches...
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> trying to rip the cat off like a bandaid is something you learn doesn't end well in any way...
[23:08] <diddledan> I posted this the other day, but it needs reposting. 90s gaming shows were .. erm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0s6nyrQxgw
[23:10] <diddledan> I'd completely forgotten about that show, but I do recall watching it back then now I've rediscovered it
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> video games and tv shows never really gelled... by the time they were made the games were on their way down the charts... except for paperboy... that hung around for years...
[23:11] <daftykins> ah don't forget that desert taxi one too ;D
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> and then when i was watching there were commodore 64, vic 20, zx spectrum 48k + 128k and amstrad games so most of the shows were for games that would never work on your machine