[06:36] <diamondsatlast> Is ubtouch based on an android container of kitkat 4.4?
[19:31] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:57] <CoderEurope> What the heck is Logdog ? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/12-ways-to-hack-proof-your-smartphone-privacy-data-thieves
[20:24] <dobey> what the heck
[20:25] <sebsebseb> dobey: hmm?
[20:25] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:26] <dobey> not sure why he asked that in here
[20:28] <sebsebseb> dobey: since Ubuntu touch is to feature incomplete to be able to do most of the things in the article :D h eh
[20:29] <dobey> sebsebseb: well it's an article about android/ios, and the thing he asked about specifically says it's an android/ios app
[20:29] <dobey> should go ask the authors of it what it is
[20:31] <anddam> I see there are no ubuntu phones sold atm, what's a good device to try it?
[20:31] <sebsebseb> anddam: nexus 4/5 I guess if go
[20:31] <sebsebseb> t
[20:31] <dobey> google nexus4 or meizu pro 5
[20:31] <sebsebseb> meizu pro 5 no longer being sold
[20:32] <sebsebseb> or nexus  from manfacutreds
[20:32] <dobey> you can buy an android one and convert it
[20:32] <sebsebseb> yeah that's true
[20:32] <dobey> the android pro 5 is avaialble
[20:32]  * sebsebseb was thinking of doing that for the fhd tablet :d,  I have the hd
[20:32] <dobey> anyway, time for more beer :)
[20:32]  * sebsebseb doens't really have spare cash for this kiknd of thing right now
[20:32] <sebsebseb> wel maybe for htose
[20:33] <anddam> I recently switched to ubuntu as main system on laptop, and I'm wondering how the sync with an ubuntu phone is
[20:33] <sebsebseb> anddam: have you tired unity 8 preview ?
[20:33] <sebsebseb> on the desktop
[20:33] <anddam> not sure, how do I check the unity version?
[20:33] <anddam> I'm using 16.04 on desktop
[20:33] <sebsebseb> well which version of ubuntu did you install ?
[20:33] <sebsebseb> oh 16.04 hmm
[20:33] <sebsebseb> anddam: 16.10 has a buiilt in unity 8 preview
[20:34] <sebsebseb> that's what hte phone runs unity 8 and tablet
[20:34] <sebsebseb> anddam: I tried out the unity 8 preview, in ubuntu 17.04 beta 2 yesterday as well, development version as well
[20:34] <sebsebseb> and wow that has improved quite a bit since that 16.10 version
[20:34] <sebsebseb> it seems
[20:34] <sebsebseb> or enough to see differences :d
[20:34] <anddam> I'm more interested into the syncing thing, I come from macbook + iphone and the sync was a bit "caged" but flawless
[20:34] <sebsebseb> anddam: the idea is to converge it all together, phone, tablet, and desktop,  and everything will run the same stuff basically, but that's not quite there yet
[20:35] <anddam> yes, I got the idea about converging
[20:35] <anddam> I like that
[20:35] <sebsebseb> 16.04 is boring and not really for  this trying of stuff though
[20:35] <anddam> I'd actually like to have a single device to carry, dock it and have it became the computer
[20:35] <anddam> nexdock-style
[20:35] <sebsebseb> unless your on a ubuntu 16.04 based ubuntu perosnal of course, on some phone or tablet running ubuntu :d,  that's the  converging of things together, they are working on brining hte phone and tablet onto a 16.04 LTS base,  it's still based on ubuntu 15.04 for now, and  on freeze, only security updates now basically
[20:36] <sebsebseb> anddam: they are working on replacing the old click packages with snappy as well
[20:36] <sebsebseb> nexdock style?
[20:36] <sebsebseb> I have a nexdock
[20:36] <anddam> cool
[20:36] <sebsebseb> anddam: its ok , but
[20:36] <anddam> I'm just seeing it has changed, on website
[20:37] <sebsebseb> need the correct hdmi cales etc
[20:37] <sebsebseb> or wireless convergence set up
[20:37] <anddam> I meant I'd like to dock my phone into a "stupid" laptop with battery, keyboard and screen
[20:37] <sebsebseb> anddam: theres a newer nexdock coming, but that's quite different it seems
[20:37] <sebsebseb> uses some intel cARD thing
[20:37] <anddam> yes, that's what I'm referring to with the change on website
[20:38] <anddam> an Compute Stick
[20:38] <anddam> s/an /a /
[20:38] <sebsebseb> I am not quite sure what the differenc e really is there
[20:38] <sebsebseb> the first one was just. like a lap top
[20:38] <sebsebseb> with a screen, web cam, and rather than a standrda keyboard, a bluetooth keyboard built in
[20:38] <sebsebseb> and trac k pad
[20:39] <anddam> oh Intel Compute Card is a net thing, my bad
[20:39] <sebsebseb> anddam: can plug in say the ubuntu tablet into the nex dock, but then it goes black on that, and that's just for control, and works on nex dock
[20:39] <anddam> anyway
[20:39] <sebsebseb> anddam: anyway cloest you can get to something like the phone and tablet right now would be unity 8 on the desktop
[20:39] <sebsebseb> and then installl your own programs into it as well using snapps
[20:39] <sebsebseb> snappy
[20:40] <sebsebseb> anddam: 16.04 lts eh.  17.04 next month
[20:40] <sebsebseb> ok that's not lts, but has a more up to date built in by default unity 8 preview
[20:40] <anddam> ok, thanks for the info
[20:40] <sebsebseb> and it sounds like your soeone who would be ok with the stanard normal versions anyway :d
[20:40] <anddam> how's Touch on phone for everyday use?
[20:40] <sebsebseb> 9 months of support for normal ubuntu that's it
[20:40] <sebsebseb> then meant to upgrade to next if haven't already
[20:40] <sebsebseb> used to be 18 months like most distros
[20:41] <sebsebseb> anddam: yep that's what I been doing for what nearly two years now :d
[20:41] <sebsebseb> using a ubuntu device as my main device
[20:41] <sebsebseb> so I have the first commerical phone,  the bq 4.5
[20:41] <sebsebseb> the Meizu MX 4 as well
[20:42] <anddam> how'd yuo rate the UX?
[20:42] <sebsebseb> and the Ubuntu M10 HD  as well,  the white one in hd, rather than black in fhd.  actsually that's away for repair right now with a guy I know
[20:42] <anddam> for everyday use
[20:42] <sebsebseb> since I cracked the screen enough
[20:42] <sebsebseb> but I have been using that tablet,  for about a year
[20:42] <sebsebseb> as my main device, with a bluetooth keyboard
[20:42] <sebsebseb> the logitech k480
[20:42] <sebsebseb> and I have a few phones as well, but the MX 4 since getting it has been my main phone
[20:42] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu phone yep
[20:43] <sebsebseb> anddam: yes \Ubuntu touch is fine and great for daily use, unless you want to run lots of commonly known android apps for example
[20:43] <sebsebseb> there aren't that many apps for Ubuntu touch
[20:43] <sebsebseb> and most of them are web apps as well
[20:43] <sebsebseb> however can get normal linux software working as well, there are ways :d  by deafult hd some demo programs on tablet, Libre Office.  gimp. gedit.
[20:43] <sebsebseb> and something else ah yes firefox
[20:44] <sebsebseb> but those were stuck to the old 15.04 versions since how its done
[20:44] <anddam> I wouldn't dare running gimp on a phone
[20:44] <anddam> I basically need a proper phone/contacts handling
[20:44] <sebsebseb> well thats not on the phone
[20:44] <sebsebseb> by default
[20:44] <sebsebseb> but was on the tablet yes
[20:45] <anddam> messaging/telegram/whatsapp/whatever people use for IM
[20:45] <anddam> gmail
[20:45] <anddam> likely dropbox
[20:45] <sebsebseb> uh these are programs you want ?
[20:45] <sebsebseb> apps ?
[20:45] <anddam> basically that's all I use
[20:45] <sebsebseb> you use whatsapp?
[20:45] <anddam> I do
[20:45] <sebsebseb> no whatsapp with ubuntu touch
[20:46] <sebsebseb> well the ubports guy unoffically  bought ito ver maybe osme how, i read something
[20:46] <anddam> when most of your contacts use it your hand is forced
[20:46] <sebsebseb> but its' bsICALLY out
[20:46] <sebsebseb> you want whatsapp and ubuntu touch isn't it
[20:46] <sebsebseb> telegraph hardly anyone uses
[20:46] <anddam> I use Telegram a lot
[20:46] <sebsebseb> dropbox some web based one you can use i guess
[20:46] <sebsebseb> or something
[20:47]  * sebsebseb has never used telegrapm, and got the impression no one really usese it but ubuntu geeks
[20:47] <anddam> gotta go, thanks for the info