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acheron-aits a lot easier to live in 750 cal / day when its not freezing outside02:32
acheron-ain=on02:32
acheron-aoops02:33
acheron-awrong channel'02:33
lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:07
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: \o05:08
lotuspsychjehey Bashing-om05:09
lotuspsychjehows the night been here?05:09
Bashing-omslowed down, awaiting your arrival :)05:10
lotuspsychjelol05:13
lotuspsychjelets try it05:13
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: watching how this " drwxr-sr-x  2 www-data www-data 4096 Mar 27 00:57 blog" plays out . Keep am eye on them .05:19
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: you always follow those complicated ones :p05:21
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: while my eyes are more wanting to answer unfilled questions05:22
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Well here is to learn why and where the (s)ocket bit is set .. make sure that the poster does not get bad direction .05:24
lotuspsychjemorning philipballew05:25
lotuspsychjemorning baizon05:38
lotuspsychjebaizon: dont forget to spam your hexchat sysinfo to us, when your beast is ready :p05:39
lotuspsychje HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-67-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 64,0% free ** Disk: Total: 113,9GiB, 75,8% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm05:39
lotuspsychjeAtheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 34m 50s **05:39
baizonhi lotuspsychje05:39
baizonlotuspsychje: will do ;)05:39
lotuspsychjetnx :p05:39
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: this an apache thing, their discussing?05:54
lotuspsychjemorning mr05:54
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Yeah , about to intervene before things get out of hand .05:56
EriC^^morning guys06:04
Bashing-omHey EriC^^ Ready to have fun now ?06:06
EriC^^yeah :D06:06
Bashing-omEriC^^: Look'n like it is "noob" nite . Watch em close :)06:08
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^06:09
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje06:11
lordievaderGood morning.06:14
lotuspsychjehowdy lordievader06:19
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje, how are you?06:26
lotuspsychjegreat here06:28
lordievaderGood :)06:39
lotuspsychjehttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/these-are-the-default-wallpapers-of-the-ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-linux-distro-514285.shtml06:43
lotuspsychjezesty walls06:43
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-sued-after-windows-10-upgrade-destroyed-users-computers-514255.shtml06:47
lotuspsychjenite Bashing-om06:48
ducassemorning all06:49
lotuspsychjemorning ducasse06:49
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Backing down and out . Yall take care  .06:49
ducassesleep well Bashing-om :)06:49
Bashing-omducasse: taking the easier way out .. and get some Zs . See ya later .06:50
lotuspsychje-breakfast06:50
ducasseok enjoy :)06:51
lordievaderI've been using my 17.04 box more recently.06:59
lordievaderMoved it to the home desktop.07:00
lordievaderIt is in need of a reinstall though, originally it was a test box...07:00
lordievaderPretty much every time there is a kernel update it runs out of /boot space XD07:01
Ben64<lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-sued-after-windows-10-upgrade-destroyed-users-computers-514255.shtml08:01
Ben64had someone bring me their computer that wouldn't boot anymore after the forced upgrade to 1008:01
Ben64##windows completely denied it was even possible08:02
Ben64it was a poop show for sure08:02
Ben64they just wanted everyone on 1008:02
ducassehad a hell of a time holding back the win10 upgrade on my mother's laptop. in the end she just bought a mac air :)08:10
ducasselordievader: been running zesty on my laptop for a while, will probably upgrade my desktop one of these days. it's been completely stable here, how about you?08:11
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lordievaderFor as far as I've used it, steady.09:04
lordievaderUnforunately my intel graphics chip doesn't want to do opengl2.09:05
lordievaderI might have to try another video card. One of which I am not sure when it broke down if it was the card itself or the pci-e bus.09:06
lordievaderThe motherboard which gave the problems was a replacement of one where two out of three pci slots had failed.09:07
ducasseopengl i know nothing about, is "OpenGL core profile version string" what i'm looking for?09:19
ducassewhat kind of board what that? sounds like a pretty serious failure... i'm thinking of getting a discrete gpu myself, but a well-supported intel gpu is just so free from any hassle.09:20
lordievaderIt was some Asrock one.09:27
lordievaderVery old thing.09:27
ducassenever used asrock, i've mostly relied on asus boards over the years - never given me any problems.09:29
WirehunterHi09:56
brunch875Hello, Wirehunter09:57
BluesKajHey folks10:23
brunch875good morning, BluesKaj10:23
ducassewb BluesKaj10:23
BluesKaj'Morning brunch875, ducasse10:24
pauljwHi everyone12:33
ducasse\o pauljw12:35
OerHeksmister paul & miser ducasse12:35
pauljwo/ hey ducasse12:35
pauljwOerHeks :)12:35
ducasseis drabber enjoying spring, OerHeks? :)12:37
OerHeksYes, he likes girls with sunglasses, he is a player12:38
OerHeksSo i guess it will take a long time to find a girlfriend ..12:39
ducasseis he picky?12:39
OerHeksYes, at first sight .. but then he likes anybody :-D12:40
OerHeks.. same silly behaviour like his master..12:42
BluesKaj'Morning pauljw, how goes  your PIA ?13:29
pauljwhey BluesKaj, not sure yet today, i had to disconnect it myself a little ago to get a website to allow me to identify my real location.  i'm back on at the midwest server, will see how we do today.13:35
BluesKajpauljw, yeah the midwest is a very stable one, never seen a switch there13:40
ducassei always use their european servers, rarely any problems with them13:42
pauljw:)13:42
pauljwmuch of my issue the last few days could be my sat loosing signal from clouds and storms which hoses everything.  i don't want to pin the blame on pia yet.13:44
ducassethat sounds plausible, yes.13:46
BluesKajpauljw, my friend lives out in the boonies and used exl-[lorent sat internet for a while , really expensive with a very low data cap, but he switched to Rogers which gave him internet via the cell system giving him much better speeds and a much higher data cap with 30% drop in price.This the first I've heard of that kind of deal by the cellphone providers13:57
BluesKajexplorenet13:58
BluesKajI thought that kind of service would be prohibitive13:59
BluesKajcostwise13:59
pauljwyeah, there's a local provider of wifi that is supposed to be deploying their own cell channels?? not sure what they call them, but i haven't heard from them yet.  if not too expensive, we'll be switching.  my daughter is getting impatient waiting.  :)14:01
BluesKajhe I hope isn't being scammed by some rogue sales dude and ends with a $700 /mos internet cost14:02
pauljwhope not, too.  the tech that came out from that local provider last fall to see if we could get their wifi, which didn't work out, said it would be capless and fast but didn't know what the cost would be.  he could have been selling it without knowing much about it yet.14:03
BluesKajthat sounds like he wasn't informed, just putting out feelers to see what the locals would think14:07
pauljwagree, BluesKaj, i'll give them a call soon to see if they've implemented their new network and find out the skinny. :)14:10
BluesKajright, that interests me, if available here such service is a definte option for us...gonna google :-)14:14
pauljw:)14:20
BluesKajI'm not impressed14:55
BluesKajgotta buy one of their mobile devices and the plans are 5x more expensive14:57
pauljwouch14:58
BluesKajhope my friend's deal is legit15:04
acheron-ahello everyone15:51
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* nacc is also convince Dreaman is a troll at this point. Once a week have to tell them to not answer incorrectly if they don't know.16:05
naccOerHeks: --^16:05
ducasse+116:05
OerHeksBut i am a member, let me play please :-(16:06
naccat which point they stop responding, usually :)16:06
* OerHeks skins the troll, boils rice and adds some curry paste16:07
naccsounds delicious16:09
acheron-ahello pauljw16:12
OerHeksso many trolls, i am short of curry16:12
pauljwhi acheron-a, how are you today? :)16:12
acheron-adoing well, thanks for asking16:12
acheron-ai have been checking out 17.04, looks like it going to need some new themeing for gtk 3.2016:14
OerHeksit still on gtk 3.19 ??16:15
ducasse3.20 was introduced in yakkety16:15
acheron-ayeah, it broke some of my themes, so they will have to be tweaked16:16
acheron-ai'll be staying on 16 LTS but its nice to take a look, learn and play with 1716:17
ducasseit broke certain applications as well, roxterm is no longer maintained because of it16:17
acheron-ayes, i noticed all the new app revs in the repository16:18
acheron-ai usually save all the /apt/cache files so i won't have re download on every live usb boot16:21
acheron-athats now i noticed there were so many new ones16:22
acheron-ai create a separate fat32 partition on the usb drive to store them and setup scripts16:23
acheron-a8 gb usb, 4 gb for the boot image and 4 gb for the apt cache and setup files16:24
naccducasse: and if AppAaarat thinks randomizing hostnames is going to be enough to avoid whatever spying is going on, presuming that is the concern, they are delusional.17:34
naccducasse: not worth helping :)17:35
ducassenah, i'm writing this one off now :)17:35
OerHeksdon't let them type 'hostnamectl status' ... machine-id & boot-id ..17:42
OerHeks:-D17:42
naccOerHeks: :)17:43
ducassehe/she has probably already removed bug reporting and all the other "spyware" ;)17:44
OerHekstip: remove hdd-led, it can transmit data too17:44
naccmy puppy certain think so!17:47
naccat least in the mornings when she first wakes up17:47
naccthinks it's the devil :)17:47
OerHeksit is .. it blinks when you peek17:48
nacc:)17:48
OerHeksHow about the mirror?17:48
naccluckily she doesn't see too many -- but she did see herself in the fireplace glass and went ballistic for a few minutes17:48
OerHekshmmm nice17:50
OerHekshttps://twitter.com/trollpwnde/status/84605422049110016417:50
OerHeksgood job, ashwin17:50
brunch875damn, I recently got a camera17:51
brunch875I should have sent some pic myself!17:51
* OerHeks hits https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/ubuntu-wallpapers_17.04.0.orig.tar.gz17:52
OerHeksthere is always a contest going on, now for the version after zesty 17.04 ...17:52
BluesKajso starting at AA for the next release17:54
OerHeksi read it would be TBD17:54
BluesKajwonder which silly name they''choose17:55
naccyeah, AA is the placeholder17:55
brunch875anatomic antelope17:57
BluesKajI won't venture a guess ...no doubt it'll be silly or dumb18:09
naccand will probably break some tools that assume it's alphabetically sortable :)18:10
\92nd round of names, 2 times dumber!18:10
Ben64theres no reason to not be AA19:02
OerHekshaving zz and aa on my ssd, awesome19:04
acheron-aaa?19:04
OerHeksexplaining that zz came before aa, ..19:04
acheron-afilesystems?19:05
BluesKajrunning zesty here for a while now19:05
acheron-aahh19:06
Bashing-omBluesKaj: zesty does well for me also . only minor issues that updates have taken care of .19:06
BluesKajkde/plasma DE19:06
acheron-ayes, i was running zz last night for a while19:06
acheron-ahow is KDE these days?19:08
BluesKajhad a graphics issue in beta1 , it was quickly solved, then clean installed beta 2 just a few days ago19:08
BluesKajkde is alive and well despite the predictions of it's demise, but kde is now regarded as the community and plasma is the actual desktop. Don't ask me what the community  means , but I read that yesterday somewhere19:10
BluesKaj:-)19:11
acheron-awhats the general opinion about mint these days?19:11
pauljw3..2..1...19:11
BluesKajno opinion, haven't run it in 3 yrs oeso19:12
BluesKajor so19:12
acheron-ai dont understand why they felt the need to write their own Xapps for gedit, totem and e-vince reader, they seemed to have lost focus19:13
acheron-alike that nasty failure on install for grub2 that they won't fix, they just tell people to unplug the net while they install19:14
acheron-aa new grub was released last month and it hoses the install because its trying to put the newer version in place while in installs19:15
acheron-aand also the sound issues when the went from Cinn 2.7 to 319:16
acheron-ai've given up on mint19:17
ducasseall i know is that their support must suck, since so many give up on it and come to #ubuntu19:19
acheron-awell every time you report something, they blame the user or their hardware19:20
acheron-aand say they can't duplicate the failure on their end19:21
BluesKajit's been the most popular according to Distrowatch for a t least a yr iirc19:21
acheron-ainstead of making and effort to delve into it, like one of the sound issues i was having was en error in the sound_cs.py file19:22
acheron-ai think they just developed an 'attitude' since they moved to the top of distrowatch19:23
BluesKajacheron-a, never heard of that file19:23
acheron-a#!/usr/bin/env python319:24
acheron-acs_sound.py19:25
acheron-ahttps://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1237676#p123767619:25
acheron-awhen i does the major update after the initial install, it still writes a bad file to the system, so i had to wait until after the update to copy the corrected file into /usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/modules/19:26
ducasse!distrowatch19:27
ubot5"[Distrowatch stats] correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch.com was accessed each day, nothing more." ~ https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity19:27
BluesKajyeah it's not an accurate indicator of the number of real users19:30
acheron-aeven firefox is running better these days19:44
BluesKajacheron-a, I dumped FF due to it's pulseaudio requirement19:47
acheron-areally?19:47
BluesKajyup19:47
acheron-ai see pulseaudio process running19:48
acheron-ahow is that an issue?  i am on Unity19:48
naccacheron-a: some people don't like pulse19:49
nicomachusacheron-a: pulseaudio is now a requirement for FF. No more Alsa19:49
BluesKajI gave to put up with systemd , but intel audio lets me run alsa directly without pulse19:49
BluesKajhave to19:49
naccBluesKaj: fwiw, i believe the decision was made to revert that hcange19:49
naccBluesKaj: as it violated the SRU polic(ies)19:49
naccBluesKaj: i would have to go look in my logs, but i think that's the case, at least19:50
BluesKajwell, no matter , I'm liking chrome more and more despite all the paranoia about google19:51
acheron-ai was glad to get away from google-chrome and back to FF19:51
naccBluesKaj: yeah, just an fyi19:52
acheron-aso i have wondered why the evolution services are running even though i am not using it19:52
naccevolution is tied to gnome iirc19:54
acheron-ai know19:54
acheron-adoing a google search now19:56
acheron-abbiab19:57
naccmy god, elias_a is being rather dramatic22:01
nacc"15:00 < elias_a> Take care all of you. I'll concentrate on real life hacking in22:01
nacc                 the sense that is not supported in this channel.22:01
nacc"22:01
daftykinso022:02
naccafter making fun of someone's english22:03

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