[02:32] <acheron-a> its a lot easier to live in 750 cal / day when its not freezing outside
[02:32] <acheron-a> in=on
[02:33] <acheron-a> oops
[02:33] <acheron-a> wrong channel'
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:08] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> hows the night been here?
[05:10] <Bashing-om> slowed down, awaiting your arrival :)
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> lets try it
[05:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: watching how this " drwxr-sr-x  2 www-data www-data 4096 Mar 27 00:57 blog" plays out . Keep am eye on them .
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you always follow those complicated ones :p
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: while my eyes are more wanting to answer unfilled questions
[05:24] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well here is to learn why and where the (s)ocket bit is set .. make sure that the poster does not get bad direction .
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> morning philipballew
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> baizon: dont forget to spam your hexchat sysinfo to us, when your beast is ready :p
[05:39] <lotuspsychje>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-67-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 64,0% free ** Disk: Total: 113,9GiB, 75,8% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 34m 50s **
[05:39] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:39] <baizon> lotuspsychje: will do ;)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: this an apache thing, their discussing?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> morning mr
[05:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah , about to intervene before things get out of hand .
[06:04] <EriC^^> morning guys
[06:06] <Bashing-om> Hey EriC^^ Ready to have fun now ?
[06:06] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[06:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Look'n like it is "noob" nite . Watch em close :)
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:11] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> howdy lordievader
[06:26] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you?
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:39] <lordievader> Good :)
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/these-are-the-default-wallpapers-of-the-ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-linux-distro-514285.shtml
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> zesty walls
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-sued-after-windows-10-upgrade-destroyed-users-computers-514255.shtml
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> nite Bashing-om
[06:49] <ducasse> morning all
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:49] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Backing down and out . Yall take care  .
[06:49] <ducasse> sleep well Bashing-om :)
[06:50] <Bashing-om> ducasse: taking the easier way out .. and get some Zs . See ya later .
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> -breakfast
[06:51] <ducasse> ok enjoy :)
[06:59] <lordievader> I've been using my 17.04 box more recently.
[07:00] <lordievader> Moved it to the home desktop.
[07:00] <lordievader> It is in need of a reinstall though, originally it was a test box...
[07:01] <lordievader> Pretty much every time there is a kernel update it runs out of /boot space XD
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[08:01] <Ben64> had someone bring me their computer that wouldn't boot anymore after the forced upgrade to 10
[08:02] <Ben64> ##windows completely denied it was even possible
[08:02] <Ben64> it was a poop show for sure
[08:02] <Ben64> they just wanted everyone on 10
[08:10] <ducasse> had a hell of a time holding back the win10 upgrade on my mother's laptop. in the end she just bought a mac air :)
[08:11] <ducasse> lordievader: been running zesty on my laptop for a while, will probably upgrade my desktop one of these days. it's been completely stable here, how about you?
[09:04] <lordievader> For as far as I've used it, steady.
[09:05] <lordievader> Unforunately my intel graphics chip doesn't want to do opengl2.
[09:06] <lordievader> I might have to try another video card. One of which I am not sure when it broke down if it was the card itself or the pci-e bus.
[09:07] <lordievader> The motherboard which gave the problems was a replacement of one where two out of three pci slots had failed.
[09:19] <ducasse> opengl i know nothing about, is "OpenGL core profile version string" what i'm looking for?
[09:20] <ducasse> what kind of board what that? sounds like a pretty serious failure... i'm thinking of getting a discrete gpu myself, but a well-supported intel gpu is just so free from any hassle.
[09:27] <lordievader> It was some Asrock one.
[09:27] <lordievader> Very old thing.
[09:29] <ducasse> never used asrock, i've mostly relied on asus boards over the years - never given me any problems.
[09:56] <Wirehunter> Hi
[09:57] <brunch875> Hello, Wirehunter
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:23] <brunch875> good morning, BluesKaj
[10:23] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj
[10:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning brunch875, ducasse
[12:33] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:35] <ducasse> \o pauljw
[12:35] <OerHeks> mister paul & miser ducasse
[12:35] <pauljw> o/ hey ducasse
[12:35] <pauljw> OerHeks :)
[12:37] <ducasse> is drabber enjoying spring, OerHeks? :)
[12:38] <OerHeks> Yes, he likes girls with sunglasses, he is a player
[12:39] <OerHeks> So i guess it will take a long time to find a girlfriend ..
[12:39] <ducasse> is he picky?
[12:40] <OerHeks> Yes, at first sight .. but then he likes anybody :-D
[12:42] <OerHeks> .. same silly behaviour like his master..
[13:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw, how goes  your PIA ?
[13:35] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, not sure yet today, i had to disconnect it myself a little ago to get a website to allow me to identify my real location.  i'm back on at the midwest server, will see how we do today.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> pauljw, yeah the midwest is a very stable one, never seen a switch there
[13:42] <ducasse> i always use their european servers, rarely any problems with them
[13:42] <pauljw> :)
[13:44] <pauljw> much of my issue the last few days could be my sat loosing signal from clouds and storms which hoses everything.  i don't want to pin the blame on pia yet.
[13:46] <ducasse> that sounds plausible, yes.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> pauljw, my friend lives out in the boonies and used exl-[lorent sat internet for a while , really expensive with a very low data cap, but he switched to Rogers which gave him internet via the cell system giving him much better speeds and a much higher data cap with 30% drop in price.This the first I've heard of that kind of deal by the cellphone providers
[13:58] <BluesKaj> explorenet
[13:59] <BluesKaj> I thought that kind of service would be prohibitive
[13:59] <BluesKaj> costwise
[14:01] <pauljw> yeah, there's a local provider of wifi that is supposed to be deploying their own cell channels?? not sure what they call them, but i haven't heard from them yet.  if not too expensive, we'll be switching.  my daughter is getting impatient waiting.  :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> he I hope isn't being scammed by some rogue sales dude and ends with a $700 /mos internet cost
[14:03] <pauljw> hope not, too.  the tech that came out from that local provider last fall to see if we could get their wifi, which didn't work out, said it would be capless and fast but didn't know what the cost would be.  he could have been selling it without knowing much about it yet.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> that sounds like he wasn't informed, just putting out feelers to see what the locals would think
[14:10] <pauljw> agree, BluesKaj, i'll give them a call soon to see if they've implemented their new network and find out the skinny. :)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> right, that interests me, if available here such service is a definte option for us...gonna google :-)
[14:20] <pauljw> :)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I'm not impressed
[14:57] <BluesKaj> gotta buy one of their mobile devices and the plans are 5x more expensive
[14:58] <pauljw> ouch
[15:04] <BluesKaj> hope my friend's deal is legit
[15:51] <acheron-a> hello everyone
[16:05]  * nacc is also convince Dreaman is a troll at this point. Once a week have to tell them to not answer incorrectly if they don't know.
[16:05] <nacc> OerHeks: --^
[16:05] <ducasse> +1
[16:06] <OerHeks> But i am a member, let me play please :-(
[16:06] <nacc> at which point they stop responding, usually :)
[16:07]  * OerHeks skins the troll, boils rice and adds some curry paste
[16:09] <nacc> sounds delicious
[16:12] <acheron-a> hello pauljw
[16:12] <OerHeks> so many trolls, i am short of curry
[16:12] <pauljw> hi acheron-a, how are you today? :)
[16:12] <acheron-a> doing well, thanks for asking
[16:14] <acheron-a> i have been checking out 17.04, looks like it going to need some new themeing for gtk 3.20
[16:15] <OerHeks> it still on gtk 3.19 ??
[16:15] <ducasse> 3.20 was introduced in yakkety
[16:16] <acheron-a> yeah, it broke some of my themes, so they will have to be tweaked
[16:17] <acheron-a> i'll be staying on 16 LTS but its nice to take a look, learn and play with 17
[16:17] <ducasse> it broke certain applications as well, roxterm is no longer maintained because of it
[16:18] <acheron-a> yes, i noticed all the new app revs in the repository
[16:21] <acheron-a> i usually save all the /apt/cache files so i won't have re download on every live usb boot
[16:22] <acheron-a> thats now i noticed there were so many new ones
[16:23] <acheron-a> i create a separate fat32 partition on the usb drive to store them and setup scripts
[16:24] <acheron-a> 8 gb usb, 4 gb for the boot image and 4 gb for the apt cache and setup files
[17:34] <nacc> ducasse: and if AppAaarat thinks randomizing hostnames is going to be enough to avoid whatever spying is going on, presuming that is the concern, they are delusional.
[17:35] <nacc> ducasse: not worth helping :)
[17:35] <ducasse> nah, i'm writing this one off now :)
[17:42] <OerHeks> don't let them type 'hostnamectl status' ... machine-id & boot-id ..
[17:42] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:43] <nacc> OerHeks: :)
[17:44] <ducasse> he/she has probably already removed bug reporting and all the other "spyware" ;)
[17:44] <OerHeks> tip: remove hdd-led, it can transmit data too
[17:47] <nacc> my puppy certain think so!
[17:47] <nacc> at least in the mornings when she first wakes up
[17:47] <nacc> thinks it's the devil :)
[17:48] <OerHeks> it is .. it blinks when you peek
[17:48] <nacc> :)
[17:48] <OerHeks> How about the mirror?
[17:48] <nacc> luckily she doesn't see too many -- but she did see herself in the fireplace glass and went ballistic for a few minutes
[17:50] <OerHeks> hmmm nice
[17:50] <OerHeks> https://twitter.com/trollpwnde/status/846054220491100164
[17:50] <OerHeks> good job, ashwin
[17:51] <brunch875> damn, I recently got a camera
[17:51] <brunch875> I should have sent some pic myself!
[17:52]  * OerHeks hits https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/ubuntu-wallpapers_17.04.0.orig.tar.gz
[17:52] <OerHeks> there is always a contest going on, now for the version after zesty 17.04 ...
[17:54] <BluesKaj> so starting at AA for the next release
[17:54] <OerHeks> i read it would be TBD
[17:55] <BluesKaj> wonder which silly name they''choose
[17:55] <nacc> yeah, AA is the placeholder
[17:57] <brunch875> anatomic antelope
[18:09] <BluesKaj> I won't venture a guess ...no doubt it'll be silly or dumb
[18:10] <nacc> and will probably break some tools that assume it's alphabetically sortable :)
[18:10] <\9> 2nd round of names, 2 times dumber!
[19:02] <Ben64> theres no reason to not be AA
[19:04] <OerHeks> having zz and aa on my ssd, awesome
[19:04] <acheron-a> aa?
[19:04] <OerHeks> explaining that zz came before aa, ..
[19:05] <acheron-a> filesystems?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> running zesty here for a while now
[19:06] <acheron-a> ahh
[19:06] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: zesty does well for me also . only minor issues that updates have taken care of .
[19:06] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma DE
[19:06] <acheron-a> yes, i was running zz last night for a while
[19:08] <acheron-a> how is KDE these days?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> had a graphics issue in beta1 , it was quickly solved, then clean installed beta 2 just a few days ago
[19:10] <BluesKaj> kde is alive and well despite the predictions of it's demise, but kde is now regarded as the community and plasma is the actual desktop. Don't ask me what the community  means , but I read that yesterday somewhere
[19:11] <BluesKaj> :-)
[19:11] <acheron-a> whats the general opinion about mint these days?
[19:11] <pauljw> 3..2..1...
[19:12] <BluesKaj> no opinion, haven't run it in 3 yrs oeso
[19:12] <BluesKaj> or so
[19:13] <acheron-a> i dont understand why they felt the need to write their own Xapps for gedit, totem and e-vince reader, they seemed to have lost focus
[19:14] <acheron-a> like that nasty failure on install for grub2 that they won't fix, they just tell people to unplug the net while they install
[19:15] <acheron-a> a new grub was released last month and it hoses the install because its trying to put the newer version in place while in installs
[19:16] <acheron-a> and also the sound issues when the went from Cinn 2.7 to 3
[19:17] <acheron-a> i've given up on mint
[19:19] <ducasse> all i know is that their support must suck, since so many give up on it and come to #ubuntu
[19:20] <acheron-a> well every time you report something, they blame the user or their hardware
[19:21] <acheron-a> and say they can't duplicate the failure on their end
[19:21] <BluesKaj> it's been the most popular according to Distrowatch for a t least a yr iirc
[19:22] <acheron-a> instead of making and effort to delve into it, like one of the sound issues i was having was en error in the sound_cs.py file
[19:23] <acheron-a> i think they just developed an 'attitude' since they moved to the top of distrowatch
[19:23] <BluesKaj> acheron-a, never heard of that file
[19:24] <acheron-a> #!/usr/bin/env python3
[19:25] <acheron-a> cs_sound.py
[19:25] <acheron-a> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1237676#p1237676
[19:26] <acheron-a> when i does the major update after the initial install, it still writes a bad file to the system, so i had to wait until after the update to copy the corrected file into /usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/modules/
[19:27] <ducasse> !distrowatch
[19:30] <BluesKaj> yeah it's not an accurate indicator of the number of real users
[19:44] <acheron-a> even firefox is running better these days
[19:47] <BluesKaj> acheron-a, I dumped FF due to it's pulseaudio requirement
[19:47] <acheron-a> really?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:48] <acheron-a> i see pulseaudio process running
[19:48] <acheron-a> how is that an issue?  i am on Unity
[19:49] <nacc> acheron-a: some people don't like pulse
[19:49] <nicomachus> acheron-a: pulseaudio is now a requirement for FF. No more Alsa
[19:49] <BluesKaj> I gave to put up with systemd , but intel audio lets me run alsa directly without pulse
[19:49] <BluesKaj> have to
[19:49] <nacc> BluesKaj: fwiw, i believe the decision was made to revert that hcange
[19:49] <nacc> BluesKaj: as it violated the SRU polic(ies)
[19:50] <nacc> BluesKaj: i would have to go look in my logs, but i think that's the case, at least
[19:51] <BluesKaj> well, no matter , I'm liking chrome more and more despite all the paranoia about google
[19:51] <acheron-a> i was glad to get away from google-chrome and back to FF
[19:52] <nacc> BluesKaj: yeah, just an fyi
[19:52] <acheron-a> so i have wondered why the evolution services are running even though i am not using it
[19:54] <nacc> evolution is tied to gnome iirc
[19:54] <acheron-a> i know
[19:56] <acheron-a> doing a google search now
[19:57] <acheron-a> bbiab
[22:01] <nacc> my god, elias_a is being rather dramatic
[22:01] <nacc> "15:00 < elias_a> Take care all of you. I'll concentrate on real life hacking in
[22:01] <nacc>                  the sense that is not supported in this channel.
[22:01] <nacc> "
[22:02] <daftykins> o0
[22:03] <nacc> after making fun of someone's english