[00:11] <ID5B_YUCATANSUX> uuuuu... hiaaa.... hiiiiii.... u-u-u-..
[00:13] <wastrel> you can buy a wireless to ethernet thingy
[00:13] <wastrel> i did that once
[00:21] <implite> if someone can help me in python with something please message me
[00:22] <EriC^^> implite: there's #python
[00:33] <themyth> hey
[00:33] <themyth> what's new #ubuntu
[00:33] <implite> hi
[00:33] <bazhang> themyth, ubuntu support issue?
[00:33] <themyth> nah just saying hello
[00:34] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic is the chat channel
[00:35] <themyth> cool
[00:40] <bigpic> access2me
[00:41] <grayghost13> Hi everyone! Quick question
[00:41] <dixsonhoepp> help - I need to change gamma system default = 1.15 > 1.67. permanent
[00:42] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me run this on my machine? http://pastebin.com/6s9NXi5z
[00:42] <grayghost13> Quick question about adding someone to sudoers.. I've added a user to sudoers and also edited the visudo file
[00:43] <bumblefuzz> is a java program
[00:43] <grayghost13> but I still can't use "Sudo whatever"
[00:43] <bumblefuzz> but is supoposedly only for Windows and Mac
[00:43] <grayghost13> with the new user
[00:43] <bumblefuzz> ...even though it only runs in Java
[00:43] <EriC^^> grayghost13: did you log out and back in?
[00:43] <grayghost13> yep
[00:43] <grayghost13> i even restarted the server
[00:43] <EriC^^> grayghost13: try "sudo -l"
[00:44] <grayghost13> ok, in the root user or new user?
[00:44] <EriC^^> new user
[00:44] <grayghost13> ok 1 sec
[00:45] <grayghost13> "You must SSH in as root to run this command: sudo -l"
[00:45] <grayghost13> same thing I get when i try other commands
[00:46] <EriC^^> grayghost13: try as root, "id <your user>" "cat /etc/sudoers" and paste the output
[00:46] <EriC^^> !paste | grayghost13
[00:46] <bumblefuzz> I'm trying to run a .jnlp file on Ubuntu... can someone help me? http://pastebin.com/6s9NXi5z
[00:47] <EriC^^> grayghost13: it sounds like the server has some kind of mechanism though, is this a vps?
[00:47] <grayghost13> yes
[00:47] <bazhang> bumblefuzz, whats a jnlp file
[00:47] <grayghost13> The file that you are needing, the only change was the line under "root	ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL"
[00:48] <grayghost13> "newuser ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL"
[00:48] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: it runs in java runtime
[00:48] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: the difficulty is it's intended to run only in Windows and Mac
[00:48] <EriC^^> grayghost13: ask the vps about it i guess
[00:48] <grayghost13> ok sounds good, thx
[00:49] <EriC^^> np
[00:49] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: but I should be able to run it if it only runs in JRE
[00:49] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: I just can't figure out how
[00:53] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/565016/how-to-run-a-jnlp-file-in-ubuntu-server bumblefuzz
[00:58] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: right, I got that far
[00:58] <bumblefuzz> bazhang: but it sets up a desktop icon and that doesn't run
[01:07]  * fergal32 waves hello
[01:26] <snowkrash> hi
[01:26] <themyth> hey
[01:26] <snowkrash> did anybody manage a gpu pass with nvidia?
[01:32] <Kyoku> I am following the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html trying to set up raid but in Step 5 there is no option for "physical volume for RAID", any ideas?
[01:32] <Kyoku> oh dear, i just noticed it's the server guide, i need desktop guide
[01:35] <Bashing-om> !raid | Kyoku the guide I favor: -Desaktop does not have the raid tools -
[01:36] <Kyoku> thanks Bashing-om
[01:38] <Bashing-om> Kyoku: :) Pay attention to grub installation .
[01:44] <MarkB2> There has to be a way to fix this.  Two displays plugged into a video card and Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial) won't let me swap the displays under X.
[01:45] <Kyoku> these raid guides are out of date and incorrect
[01:45] <MarkB2> Moving the mouse cursor from the left-hand screen means sliding the mouse farther left until it appears on the right side of the right-hand display.
[01:46] <MarkB2> If I try using System Settings --> Displays and moving the screen icons around, the system locks up with compiz at 100%.
[01:50] <killtheliterate> Hiya folks. I'm trying to figure out a good way to install Ubuntu on an empty disk on my PC. It seems that I need to use the "something else" installation optoin, and partition the new disk with a primary and a swap partition. How big should the swap partition be? What disk should I chose for "device for bootloader installation"?
[01:50] <zeroeax2> How much ram do you have, and how much do you think you could possibly need?
[01:50] <zeroeax2> personally I usually put 8gb of swap and have 8gb real RAM, but I don't use much ram and the swap never gets touched
[01:51] <zeroeax2> if you compile massive projects and run huge complex bloatware or do a lot of multitasking, you may need more ram
[01:51] <zeroeax2> keep in mind, adding ram is better than adding swap if you can afford it
[01:51] <zeroeax2> and if you have free slots for it
[01:52] <zeroeax2> I hear people say you should use anywhere from 50% of your real ram, to 150%, as general recommendations, it's really not an exact science, the more ram you need, the more swap you should have incase you run out
[01:52] <killtheliterate> right on. i have 16gb RAM, and don't really want to be relying on swap too much, so 8gb of RAM is reasonable for "just in case"?
[01:53] <zeroeax2> If I had 16gb ram, I would have no swap partition, but I've never used more than 7gb of ram on this computer and never used any swap because i have swapiness set to 0
[01:53] <killtheliterate> gotcha. Should the bootloader be installed to the same disk i'm installing ubuntu on? I've heard that mixing windows 10 and *nix gets messy
[01:53] <zeroeax2> but that's just me, you mihgt actually need swap, I don't know how you use your compugter
[01:54] <killtheliterate> I'm a software dev, and just setting up a computer for use at home for my own projects
[01:54] <zeroeax2> I like making a 1-2GB /boot paritition formatted ext2, then a 40-60gb /root partition, make any partitions you want as partitions and not folders after that, then I assign the rest to /home for users files
[01:54] <curio> If you have 16GB of RAM, you don't need a large SWAP partition. damn, your OS should fly when running various apps
[01:54] <zeroeax2> Oh as a software dev you may actually use 16gb ram
[01:55] <zeroeax2> add 8gb swap to be safe
[01:55] <zeroeax2> unless disk space is an issue
[01:55] <koleygr> killtheliterate: If you want a multiboot system... not only dual-boot you have to set ot up from the beggining
[01:55] <zeroeax2> compiling certain things and using many commmon development tools are extremely resource intensive, or at least can be under certain conditions
[01:55] <zeroeax2> like, compiling the linux kernel, or gcc, can use a lot of ram... I don't remember how much, but it's not trivial
[01:56] <killtheliterate> Heaviest thing I plan to do *atm* is compile Scala
[01:56] <zeroeax2> I don't know how much resources that will take, but I doubt it compares to the two packages i just mentioned
[01:56] <killtheliterate> I don't yet know the distinction between dual-boot v. multi-boot
[01:56] <zeroeax2> scala is a language that compiles to JVM bytecode right?
[01:57] <zeroeax2> the one that uses that actor based model(as if I know what that means)?
[01:57] <zeroeax2> I had an irc buddy who was really into scala
[01:57] <koleygr> killtheliterate: multiboot=more than two Operating Systems
[01:57] <zeroeax2> and I know he never had more than 8gb ram, not sure how much if any swap he used
[01:57] <killtheliterate> there's a thing called akka that provides the actor model stuff, but yeah, Scala is jvm
[01:58] <zeroeax2> multiboot is the wrong term koleygr, because multiboot is the specification defined by and implemented by grub to provide a standardized way to load kernels not officially supported by grub
[01:58] <zeroeax2> overlapping terms, dual-boot works, but multiboot is taken, we need another word for it
[01:59] <zeroeax2> sorry, my os dev nerd side kicked in and i had to comment
[01:59] <koleygr> ok
[01:59] <koleygr> lol
[01:59] <koleygr> Thanks zeroeax2
[02:01] <MarkB2> Grr... using xrandr to try and swap displays didn't work.  The X server crashed.. and on restart, it sent off another bug report somewhere.
[02:01] <zeroeax2> I think multiboot is the right term, but I also think it shouldn't be, because multiboot is a standard, dual-booting, or perhaps with a comma like multi-booting, to show they arne't the same term
[02:01] <zeroeax2> CS is so huge though I guess there is bound to be overlapping terminology in various places
[02:02] <killtheliterate> hmm, so seems I need to go slow and read some more if I want to install Ubuntu without wrecking my Windows 10 install
[02:02] <koleygr> no
[02:02] <koleygr> It will not cause a problem
[02:03] <koleygr> you can do it with almost no risk
[02:03] <zeroeax2> It will not cause problems unless you delete windows partitions to replace them with ubuntu partitions
[02:03] <killtheliterate> So the option for "device for bootloader installation", should I pick the disk that I'm installing Ubuntu onto?
[02:03] <koleygr> yes
[02:03] <killtheliterate> Ah, alright, nice
[02:03] <zeroeax2> Pick the block device, not the partition identifier
[02:03] <koleygr> just /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
[02:03] <zeroeax2> so /dev/sda not /dev/sda3
[02:03] <killtheliterate> gotcha
[02:04] <zeroeax2> You're almost there killtheliterate :D You are on your way to linux-land
[02:04] <zeroeax2> And with ubuntu there's a smaller learning curve because there's so much google-findable community support and guides/tutorials for everything
[02:05] <killtheliterate> haha, nice nice
[02:05] <zeroeax2> if you have a problem with ubuntu, you google the error and find a fix 99.9% of the time already posted because someone before you asked the same question
[02:05] <koleygr> But be careful with the previous questions ,,, install alongside... don't erase
[02:05] <zeroeax2> This is the reason I love ubuntu, the community support is great
[02:05] <killtheliterate> looking forward to it... kinda been wanting to get off apple for a while, got a pc for, uh "games", but also want to be able to ease into *nix
[02:05] <zeroeax2> Oh apple... Yeah kill it with fire man
[02:06] <zeroeax2> the only reason I would buy an apple product, is because their laptops are nice hardware to install linux on if you can afford the stupid markup
[02:06] <zeroeax2> If i was rich, I would have a macbook pro or macbook air, or both, running linux
[02:06] <kk4ewt> and pay 2X the price
[02:07] <zeroeax2> kk4ewt, yeah but you get a nice sleak deisgn, the screens are amazing, the batteries are amazing, they are light-weight and durable
[02:07] <kk4ewt> apple wifi is cheapest wifi of the day
[02:07] <zeroeax2> they ARE overpriced by A LOT, but they ARE also better in many ways
[02:07] <koleygr> zeroeax2: my turn about terminology... mac use linux
[02:07] <zeroeax2> I don't buy them because I don't have the extra money
[02:07] <kk4ewt> zeroeax2,  and the battery swells and breaks that fantastic looking cumputer
[02:07] <zeroeax2> Mac uses a BSD variant, not linux
[02:08] <zeroeax2> I think it's based on netbsd, but I'm not sure... one of the BSD's
[02:08] <zeroeax2> I used to write osx drivers for hackintosh
[02:08] <zeroeax2> so, I know a little about osx
[02:08] <kk4ewt> yes it is based on Next
[02:08] <zeroeax2> yes, but they ripped out all the security features in favor of optimizing performance and user experience
[02:09] <zeroeax2> so, it's really not as safe as most *nix systems
[02:09] <zeroeax2> and the newer security features they keep putting in, themselves are often exploitable and lead to infections
[02:09] <zeroeax2> Apple is just horrible with security, I've delt with people high up in their security branch of software engineering, they have no idea what they are doing
[02:10] <kk4ewt> which has what to do with ubuntu
[02:11] <zeroeax2> It has to do with the fact that he has made a good choice by instlaling ubuntu on his mac
[02:11] <de-facto> its really sad that so many packages are just deleted from ubuntu :(
[02:13] <zeroeax2> wouldn't you agree kk4ewt?
[02:13] <zeroeax2> i mean, there are other distro's but for a new linux user ubuntu is the best for sure
[02:13] <killtheliterate> I have one of those new laptops with the touchbar... it's cheesy, imo
[02:13] <killtheliterate> I have a laptop that I'm thinking about installing qubes or something like that on
[02:13] <SomeDamnBody> Hey, I have a special need for a find command
[02:14] <SomeDamnBody> find ~/workspace/x86_64-binaries/elf -type f -exec zsh -c 'echo ${"{}"#$"~/workspace/x86_64-binaries/elf"}' \;
[02:14] <SomeDamnBody> That was the command that I was using, but I can't get it to stop saying bad substitution
[02:24] <sere> is the a program or way to take snap shots of your system and then recover it later
[02:24] <PipeItToDevNull> DD would be the most basic
[02:25] <PipeItToDevNull> Any other solution that comes up when googling "Ubuntu Backup" would also suffice
[02:25] <PipeItToDevNull> BTRFS supports snapshotting the partition IIRC
[02:25] <bazhang> he wants a 'restore point'
[02:26] <Troublednix> Hello I installed latest Nvidia drivers now all my windows are black
[02:26] <zeroeax2> rsync can do that
[02:26] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: i just installed a mininall lvm 16.04 but went crazy installed apps hah
[02:26] <PipeItToDevNull> I do a DD of my /root and keep it, simple restore point
[02:26] <PipeItToDevNull> No extra shit at all, I like minimal
[02:27] <Troublednix> Any suggestions to get my PC back to normal
[02:27] <bazhang> no cursing here PipeItToDevNull
[02:27] <PipeItToDevNull> bazhang, My apologies
[02:27] <bazhang> Troublednix, drivers installed from where
[02:27] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: ok ill check it out.. yea me too haha
[02:27] <Troublednix> Terminal
[02:28] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: ty
[02:28] <Troublednix> All my windows are black
[02:28] <bazhang> Troublednix, what was the exact command you used
[02:28] <Troublednix> Sudo apt installing nvidia-178
[02:28] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, Assuming a small /root (Mine is 8GB) it is an acceptable solution
[02:28] <Troublednix> Sorry on a mobile
[02:29] <bazhang> Troublednix, thats not a correct command
[02:29] <Troublednix> It was because it installed Nvidia
[02:29] <Troublednix> Beta drivers
[02:29] <killtheliterate> So, got Ubuntu installed on the new disk. To switch between windows and ubuntu, I hit f11 during startup. What's a bit weird to me is that hitting f11 now loads grub
[02:30] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: im alittle disappoint because im running fluxbox/openbox used 12GB on the minimal installing just the basics
[02:30] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, How? Even my Xubuntu install fit in 8GB
[02:31] <PipeItToDevNull> killtheliterate, what would you like to happen? I do believe Ubuntu hides grub by default
[02:32] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: i dunno i i didnt even install X and at first. im going to start over and see what happend but want a fresh start point encase i gotta go back
[02:32] <Troublednix> Yeah removed Nvidia drivers and all my windows are still black
[02:32] <Troublednix> Yet the panel is there
[02:33] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, I am on Manjaro atm, about a 5GB install size, my Xubuntu was about the smae
[02:36] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: thats not to bad when your getting everything it comes with lubuntu around 4gb.. im thinking it might be better just doing one of those
[02:37] <geekman287> Hey there
[02:38] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, I enjoyed it, but wanted to try a distro with pacman
[02:40] <killtheliterate> PipeItToDevNull: I don't mind at all, I just thought it was curious. I don't really understand bootloaders/etc. yet, so wasn't sure what/why makes grub appear now
[02:41] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: reading about it now. never heard of it. ive been wanting to play with arch alittle
[02:43] <zeroeax2> Anyone have trouble setting up dovecot with postfix on 16.04?
[02:43] <zeroeax2> I can't find one guide that isn't somehow broken in a way I google can't help me fix
[02:50] <vlab> got rid of my third monitor and now back to a dual setup. for whatever reason, once i sign in, it won't show side by side desktops. just one desktop on both screns. GTX750Ti. lightdm-gtk-greeter. i3wm. /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like its the same across reboots. cant figure wtf why it wont keep the dual set up
[02:58] <Jonno_FTW> should I use 16.04.2 or 16.10?
[02:59] <Jonno_FTW> or 17.04?
[02:59] <zeroeax2> is 17.04 stable yet?
[03:01] <wastrel> no, it's beta
[03:01] <Jonno_FTW> so 16.10 is good then?
[03:03] <sere> Sorry rebooted router.
[03:03] <zeroeax2> I'm still on 16.04, I prefer LTS
[03:03] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: diid you mean deja dup
[03:04] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, I am unsure what that means
[03:05] <PipeItToDevNull> killtheliterate, I am unsure why that would make it come up, I choose to always show the meny
[03:05] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: what did you mean by DD
[03:05] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, The command dd
[03:05] <PipeItToDevNull> dd if/dev/sda1 of=/backup.dd
[03:06] <PipeItToDevNull> if=
[03:06] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: hmm oh ok this might work
[03:07] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, It will make a file the same size as the partition copied, it is bit for bit
[03:10] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: that works. i dont care about compression.. do you just restore it from a livecd or something
[03:11] <PipeItToDevNull> sere, Yep, dd if=/backup.dd of=/dev/sda1
[03:12] <zeroeax2> It's not about lacking compression, it's about the file being as large as the drives maximum contents, not it's used contents availablity
[03:12] <zeroeax2> You will add all the unused 0's or random data after the useful stuff with dd
[03:12] <sere> PipeItToDevNull: this is perfect.. thank you :)
[03:12] <zeroeax2> I really think rsync is a better tool, But then it's harder to put pack together if you need to restore it
[03:13] <PipeItToDevNull> Well, you can pipe DD into an archive for compression
[03:55] <abckkk> hi all , i just test my irc  work normal or not.
[03:56] <abckkk> any one can replay me ?
[03:56] <bryceml> you mean reply?
[03:56] <abckkk> yes,i want to talk tech. with you guys
[03:57] <blkadder> Talk tech to us abckk.
[03:57] <PipeItToDevNull> 010010000111100101
[03:57] <blkadder> Show off.
[04:00] <abckkk> ok , thank you
[04:01] <clackamas> abckk: can you plrease repeat your requset for a test?
[04:01] <abckkk> what ? i use irc first time , it's so cool
[04:01] <PipeItToDevNull> abckkk, What client are you using
[04:01] <clackamas> abckkk:  it was an attempt at humor.
[04:28] <lpn_> how can i umount my /home part?
[04:28] <lpn_> i want to part it
[04:32] <implite> you mean you want to share your home folder or?
[04:33] <PipeItToDevNull> lpn_, What is your goal
[04:33] <PipeItToDevNull> Well, ok then
[04:37] <jnpr> is discord's webapp ridiculously invasive or something?
[04:38] <jnpr> if i use their webapp, it kills all of my internet services that i know of, except irc
[04:38] <jnpr> until i clear my cookies
[04:38] <jnpr> which is, bizarre
[04:38] <implite> I havent had that issue
[04:39] <uxfi> Hi when I try to set up a blog on Ubuntu say if I want to run a blog on Ubuntu server/ do I need to have ti specifically in the /var folder ?
[04:39] <jnpr> implite, it completely baffles me
[04:51] <uxfi> hi
[04:52] <uxfi> when I make a mkdir command in my /var/ww folder to make a sub folder for a blog it does not allow me to why?
[04:52] <zeroeax2> hi exfi
[04:52] <uxfi> hi zeroeax2
[04:52] <zeroeax2> you may not have permission to access /var/www, or you may be missing a w in www if that's not a typo
[04:52] <uxfi> zeroeax2;  well im the adminsitrator :)
[04:53] <zeroeax2> I don't know what the appropriate permissions to set your /var/www folder are, sorry
[04:53] <uxfi> i used sudo mkdir
[04:53] <uxfi> is that ok?
[04:53] <uxfi> I want to make a subfolder in it called blog zeroeax2  as pHP runs from /var/www
[04:53] <uxfi> I just want ot knwo if it will affect anything
[04:53] <zeroeax2> it will be perfectly fine
[04:53] <zeroeax2> sudo mkdir /var/www/blog
[04:54] <uxfi> seems I dont have permission to even make a file zeroeax2
[04:54] <PipeItToDevNull> zeroeax2, I bet that is owned by www-data "sudo -u www-data mkdir /var/www/blog" should work
[04:54] <uxfi> yet im admin
[04:54] <zeroeax2> you probably have to change the permissions of the file for the httpd to access it, maybe chmod 600 but I'm not sure about that. remembering command syntax is not my strong point
[04:54] <uxfi> ah yes
[04:54] <zeroeax2> listen to PipeItToDevNull, he seems to know more than me
[04:54] <zeroeax2> :D
[04:55] <uxfi> thanks PipeItToDevNull  lol
[04:55] <uxfi> I hope I didndt osund like a moron
[04:55] <PipeItToDevNull> dont change the perms of that directory, change your behavior to suit it
[04:55] <uxfi> ah yes
[04:55] <zeroeax2> i think chmod 600 would have worked too, but setting the permissions to the proper user is a far better option
[04:55] <uxfi> yeah
[04:55] <uxfi> I did that now
[04:56] <uxfi> I should've doen that before :)
[04:56] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  I wonder why it would be this way? considering im the sole admin of the server
[04:56] <zeroeax2> You never know how to do things until you screw up enough times to accidently get it right
[04:56] <uxfi> :)
[04:56] <uxfi> yeah thats happened to me a few tiems zeroeax2  I had to issue 5 chggrps LOL
[04:56] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, Because www-data is what apache or whatever server runs as, it needs permissions and it shoudl be the only user with access to that data
[04:57] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  ah right its conencted to apache thats right
[04:57] <zeroeax2> PipeItToDevNull, Yes, I am aware, but I forgot till you said it
[04:57] <zeroeax2> PipeItToDevNull, I'm not a noob, i just have mild brain damage
[04:57] <PipeItToDevNull> lol
[04:57] <zeroeax2> that wasn't a joke
[04:57] <zeroeax2> but hey, lets laugh at my stupidity, i'll throw one in too... lol
[04:58] <uxfi> zeroeax2;  asme here
[04:58] <uxfi> lol
[04:58] <uxfi> same
[04:58] <zeroeax2> I got a concussion 3 months ago in an MMA fight and I can notice how much slower and stupider I got
[04:58] <zeroeax2> It's scary how easy you can get serious brain damage
[04:58] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  hm it seems to not even let me make a file
[04:58] <uxfi> in the directory
[04:59] <uxfi> says "I dont have permission" I'm using my desktop edtior conencted to the Ubuntu server
[04:59] <zeroeax2> would chown -R be appropriate?
[04:59] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, are you doing it as the www-data user
[04:59] <StudlyAdams> Hello
[04:59] <zeroeax2> hi StudlyAdams
[04:59] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  hm yes
[04:59] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, did you screw with any permissions?
[04:59] <uxfi> dont think so
[04:59] <uxfi> I've never done any PHP work on this server before
[05:00] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, What is the output of "ls -al /var/www"?
[05:00] <zeroeax2> ahh, the joys of messing with things in linux you don't understand and trying to fix your screwups as you go
[05:00] <uxfi> let me paste it
[05:01] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; http://pastebin.com/f8d8vSzB
[05:02] <zeroeax2> isn't there an ls switch that lists permissions and ownership that he should paste?
[05:02] <uxfi> zeroeax2;  yeah I think that's ls -l
[05:02] <PipeItToDevNull> I dont know what sr is, mine are all xr
[05:03] <uxfi> hm
[05:03] <PipeItToDevNull> Ok, it is a sticky bit, it sets inheritance
[05:03] <uxfi> hm
[05:04] <uxfi> any ideas PipeItToDevNull ?
[05:04] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, So, can you "sudo -u www-data touch /var/www/blog test.txt"?
[05:05] <uxfi> jsut did that PipeItToDevNull
[05:05] <uxfi> now what?
[05:05] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, So you have permissions
[05:06] <uxfi> yes
[05:06] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, so you are trying to modify this directory with a GUI?
[05:06] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  ahem yes. since my project fiels are open there. Sure enough I could just use vim or nano
[05:07] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, If that program cannot write it may not be running as the right user, assuming you just opened it then it would be running as your user, not www-data
[05:08] <PipeItToDevNull> You may be able to open it with "sudo -u www-data <app>"
[05:08] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  hm it should be. I used my log in credetilas I use for the server. It also found my RSA Key I use and logs in with that
[05:08] <PipeItToDevNull> and then run the app as the www user
[05:09] <uxfi> hm
[05:10] <PipeItToDevNull> I am unsure where the issue would lie
[05:10] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  me too
[05:11] <PipeItToDevNull> I do everything CLI with vim
[05:11] <uxfi> ah
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:14] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  so to make a simple index.php file I jsut need to do mkdir?
[05:14] <uxfi> er make?
[05:15] <PipeItToDevNull> "touch" would make a file "mkdir" would make a directory
[05:16] <uxfi> ah yes right
[05:16] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; its actually a permission issue. Coda will be trying to write to your root directory but it does not have permission to do this.
[05:16] <uxfi> You need to change permissions in your root directory
[05:16] <uxfi> How would I do that?
[05:16] <uxfi> thats the problem it seems
[05:17] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, what is the output of "ls -al /var/www/blog"
[05:18] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; http://pastebin.com/W93PtpdU
[05:19] <PipeItToDevNull> I am unsure, do you have a link to what you are trying to do
[05:20] <uxfi> oh yes
[05:20] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; http://ilovephp.jondh.me.uk/en/tutorial/make-your-own-blog/introduction
[05:22] <PipeItToDevNull> What step are we on
[05:22] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  testing index.php
[05:22] <uxfi> heh
[05:23] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; touch: cannot touch 'index.php': Permission denied
[05:23] <uxfi> hm
[05:23] <PipeItToDevNull> , this is all being run explicitly as www-data in terminal?
[05:24] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  to my knowledge yes since thats where PHP seems to be
[05:24] <uxfi> and well PHP reports its isntalled fine
[05:25] <PipeItToDevNull> I am unsure
[05:26] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull;  no problem I'll try to solve it
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> uxfi: re-ask your question all in one line into the channel for newer volunteers might be able to help
[05:31] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; a simple chmod 77 fixed it...
[05:31] <uxfi> 777
[05:31] <PipeItToDevNull> uxfi, well yes, but that is not a good fix
[05:32] <zeroeax2> 777 is overly permissive, it's genrally not the best idea unless you mean to give EVERYTHING permission to it
[05:32] <StudlyAdams> more of a test to see if it's a permissions issue.
[05:32] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; well what is the best idea then?
[05:32] <PipeItToDevNull> figure out why the GUI you are using cannot run as the proper user
[05:41] <Guest49591> www.netblogbox.tech/p/nbb5.html
[05:41] <StudlyAdams> is that a sketchy link?
[05:41] <PipeItToDevNull> Yes
[05:42] <PipeItToDevNull> Doesnt load anyway
[05:42] <PipeItToDevNull> Guest49591, If that is a text post use pastebin
[05:43] <StudlyAdams> @uxfi I could be wrong on this one, i'm a noob. I'd say make sure the file owner is the ID you're currently logged in as,  and if not use chown to make it so, and then reduce the permissions down to only what's needed to give owner r/w access.
[05:44] <StudlyAdams> I'm sure other people will correct me
[05:44] <PipeItToDevNull> StudlyAdams, The issue is that it is /var/www which needs to be owned by www-data, and should not have open permissions
[05:44] <StudlyAdams> ah, gotcha
[05:44] <StudlyAdams> that makes sense.
[05:45] <StudlyAdams> is there a way to make a groupw ith those permissions to add the current owner too?
[05:45] <PipeItToDevNull> I guess you could add a user to the www-data group
[05:46] <StudlyAdams> This sounds like a definitely documented issue. I bet a google search will get you exact directions on doing this.
[05:59] <Bashing-om> uxfi: StudlyAdams "you" need to ne on the www-data group. see :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9133024/www-data-permissions for one expanation of what is going on .
[05:59] <uxfi> ah
[06:01] <Bashing-om> uxfi: See " drwxr-sr-x  2 www-data www-data 4096 Mar 27 00:57 blog" here www-data is the owner and the group for this directory .
[06:03] <uxfi> Bashing-om; cake means what?
[06:05] <Bashing-om> uxfi: in your case "blog" .
[06:06] <uxfi> Bashing-om; ah nvm got it
[06:07] <Bashing-om> uxfi: Running a server, security is a art :)
[06:07] <uxfi> Bashing-om;  Indeed
[06:09] <StudlyAdams> That makes sense, so the permissions are inhereted by that group. cool. This is the kind of experience that nets you the big bucks on the Unix/Linux circuit.
[06:09] <uxfi> StudlyAdams; yep
[06:11] <Dr_Coke> uxfi, how are you man
[06:11] <Dr_Coke> I was banned from macosx
[06:11] <Dr_Coke> long time back
[06:12] <uxfi> lol
[06:12] <zeroeax2> Well, you're better off not in there, you might catch a virus
[06:12] <zeroeax2> :P
[06:12] <uxfi> Dr_Coke; met nadine?
[06:12] <Dr_Coke> lol zeroeax2
[06:12] <Dr_Coke> uxfi, I wish man
[06:13] <mono89> hi, i have the following problem, with samba server. I installed the samba application on my raspberry (Ubuntu Mate 2016) and after the install, i set a new user (same as my user on ubuntu mate) and set the folder. But when i now, want to access the folder, it seems, that he doesnt know the user or the passwd. I tried with vlc player on smartphone and ubuntu laptop. Is someone familiar with this problem`?
[06:23] <StudlyAdams> Does this help any? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide
[06:24] <StudlyAdams> I'm looking at the section on file sharing, and it seems to have some information that could potentially be what you're looking for.
[06:27] <uxfi> PipeItToDevNull; http://ilovephp.jondh.me.uk/images/pages/phpinfo.gif
[06:27] <uxfi> I didnt see this page when I visited my php site
[06:28] <uxfi> How do I remove php completely
[06:28] <uxfi> I perhaps have messed it up
[06:29] <StudlyAdams> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59886/how-to-completely-remove-php
[06:29] <StudlyAdams> seems to have answers.
[06:44] <zeroeax2> how can I see which process has a specific port open?
[06:45] <hateball> zeroeax2: ss -p
[06:45] <zeroeax2> thank you
[07:06] <pizzadude2> Hi, after upgrading from 16.04 to 16.10 my WiFi doesn't work on my thinkpad t510i
[07:06] <pizzadude2> Can someone help
[07:07] <pizzadude2> It doesn't show in ifconfig
[07:07] <hateball> pizzadude2: what chipset is it? "lspci"
[07:07] <zeroeax2> is there a decent alternative to postfix?
[07:08] <hateball> pizzadude2: have you check the additional drivers if you are missing anything?
[07:08] <pizzadude2> hateball I typed lspci but what should I grep for
[07:08] <hateball> pizzadude2: network bits
[07:09] <pizzadude2> It only shows Ethernet controller Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection
[07:09] <pizzadude2> Would that be it
[07:10] <StudlyAdams> out of curiosity, does anything show up in iwconfigS?
[07:10] <StudlyAdams> iwconfig*
[07:11] <pizzadude2> Only " lo " and " enp0s25 " show up in iwconfig
[07:11] <StudlyAdams> gotcha
[07:11] <pizzadude2> Wireless worked fine in 16.04 before I rebooted
[07:11] <ducasse> zeroeax2: what are you looking for that postfix doesn't do?
[07:12] <zeroeax2> ducasse, I'm just looking to try different tools and see what they are each like
[07:12] <pizzadude2> Any ideas?
[07:13] <zeroeax2> since I'm still not set up, i might take this oppertunity to experiment before I'm confined to a running setup I have to work within
[07:14] <pizzadude2> or should I just connect to Ethernet and roll the dice by upgrading to 17.04 beta?
[07:14] <ducasse> zeroeax2: there's exim, and old classic sendmail. the latter can be a bit of a beast to configure if you don't know it well.
[07:14] <pizzadude2> Mate broke a lot during the upgrade too
[07:15] <ducasse> zeroeax2: i still recommend using postfix, though, there's a reason it's so widely used.
[07:16] <cuongnv> hi, i'm trying to upgrade 14.04 -> 16.04 using sudo do-release-upgrade, but got connection failed https://paste.ubuntu.com/24259457/. i'm behind a proxy - https://paste.ubuntu.com/24259462/, sudo apt-get update is working fine, can someone help me with this?
[07:21] <pizzadude2> Weird. For some reason after plugging in Ethernet my WiFi shows up
[07:23] <adante> i've run do-release-upgrade and it now says "Nothing to restart" and has just paused there. what does this mean?
[08:07] <pizzadude> hi i upgraded from ubuntu mate 16.04 to 16.10 and the sound indicator is just a volume slider
[08:07] <pizzadude> theres no play/pause
[08:07] <pizzadude> any way to fix this?
[08:17] <ssarah> what kind of problems would one expect after updating the kernel to the latest stable?
[08:17] <ssarah> i've done it a few times and never had issues
[08:17] <baizon> ssarah: how/which kernel do you want upgrade to?
[08:17] <ssarah> i usually get the latest stable
[08:18] <baizon> ssarah: but from the official, or the mainline?
[08:18] <RavagerQL> Hi, need help also. When i switch keyboard language it changes "visually" at the top right corner. But when i type, it is always english. However in terminal it is working normal. And when i hold shift, it is working as it should(in caps mode)
[08:19] <ssarah> baizon, don't know exactly what you mean. Right now I would get the first on the list. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9.18/
[08:19] <ssarah> (generic am64)
[08:19] <baizon> ssarah: so youre upgrading using the mainline, not the official ubuntu kernel
[08:19] <ssarah> baizon, yes then :)
[08:19] <baizon> ssarah: you can expect driverissues, but i personally dont think that something bad can happen
[08:20] <ssarah> baizon, drivers.. as in external drivers?
[08:20] <baizon> ssarah: what do you mean with "external drivers"?
[08:20] <ssarah> intel-microcode
[08:20] <ssarah> wireless
[08:20] <ssarah> those kind
[08:21] <baizon> ssarah: then, yes
[08:21] <ssarah> the proper wording used is "additional drivers" <- these kind, right?
[08:21] <baizon> ssarah: no, all kind of drivers, these are in most case proprietary drivers from hardware vendors
[08:22] <baizon> ssarah: updating kernel means, you get newer open source drivers.
[08:23] <ducasse> !mainline | ssarah
[08:23] <ducasse> ssarah: as you can read there, those kernels are not intended for regular usage by end users
[08:25] <ssarah> hmm. ducasse. I see. But more than once i've actually had some issues fixed by updating the kernel.
[08:25] <ssarah> ducasse, as in if your laptop is new, or newer than the latest ubuntu version, you're better off updating the kernel.
[08:26] <ducasse> ssarah: if you do have issues with the regular kernels that are fixed by mainline, then file a bug and report that and which mainline version they are fixed in.
[08:29] <ssarah> ducasse, ok, will do.
[08:29] <ssarah> ty
[08:31] <ssarah> btw, it's better if you uninstall additional before doing something like updating the kernel, right?
[08:31] <ssarah> i just did it without doing so. good thing nothing broke, apparently
[09:20] <niggard> hey, how to wipe data from a usb disk?
[09:20] <niggard> reliably
[09:21] <ducasse> niggard: 'man shred'
[09:22] <niggard> ducasse: that's for rewriting files, I'd rather format my usb disk entirely
[09:22] <selckin> basicly you need to write to every inch of it at least once
[09:22] <alkisg> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
[09:22] <selckin> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk
[09:25] <austin_> First time using irc!
[09:25] <alkisg> Welcome
[09:27] <ducasse> niggard: then run shred on the block device
[09:30] <niggard> ducasse: oh, that makes sense
[09:30] <niggard> thank you selckin and ducasse
[09:34]  * samsepiol loves Ubuntu
[09:36]  * samsepiol loves Ubuntu
[09:44] <tmladek> hi, I am troubleshooting a package issue, and I have just found out that the output of dpkg -l is just 4 packages, which is obviously wrong - how can I fix this?
[09:45] <alkisg> tmladek: if a plain `dpkg -l` only shows 4 packages... reformat :)
[09:46] <sebsebseb> hi
[09:48] <tmladek> alkisg: ay :(
[09:48] <alkisg> Your dpkg state must be so inconsistent that it wouldn't be safe to try to fix it and resume working on that system
[09:49] <tmladek> I was afraid of this
[09:49] <tmladek> alkisg: I am going to reformat but I´m still curious, is there no way to rebuild the database?
[09:49] <tmladek> or whatever was lost that causes the dpkg -l output
[09:50] <alkisg> tmladek: afaik, no, unless you have a backup elsewhere
[09:50] <k1l_> the question is: what did you do before this?
[09:50] <alkisg> It's not a cache that can be rebuild, it's the main "database" of dpkg
[09:50] <tmladek> I see
[10:01] <ducasse> tmladek: there might be one, look at /var/lib/dpkg/*-old
[10:01] <ducasse> it might not be entirely uptodate, though
[10:07] <alkisg> While shutting down my pc, if a systemd service takes a long time to finish, I press Esc to hide plymouth and see the messages. If then for some reason I switch vt... I cannot find the systemd messages anywhere anymore, even if I switch back to vt1! Isn't systemd using one of the VTs?!
[10:20] <jimmy_> wow
[10:20] <jimmy_> this looks nice
[10:21] <brunch875> jimmy_: what does? :)
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:23] <IDTOP> hey
[10:25] <Herbalist> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS ... in System Settings item is called "Firewall Configuratio" instead of "Firewall Configuration"
[10:26] <IDTOP> that is to say, a 'n' is missed
[10:26] <Herbalist> yes!
[10:26] <Herbalist> can you reproduce it on your computer ?
[10:31] <k1l_> Herbalist: what desktop is that? an what language do you use?
[10:33] <brunch875> could someone on ubuntu < 17.04 check if you can slide the volume indicator or if it's stepped?
[10:36] <OerHeks> brunch875, ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[10:38] <brunch875> OerHeks: but I doubt anyone is using ubuntu 16.10 or below there
[10:38] <Cooler> does the home directory represent a separate hard drive? like if you have 2 hard drives or something?
[10:39] <k1l_> Cooler: you can put the home directories onto a different harddrive, or a drifferen partition on the same drive, if you want.
[10:39] <OerHeks> brunch875, ohh below? 16.04 volume is step-less, only if you hoover and use scrollwheel, it is stepped
[10:39] <k1l_> Cooler: some people do that to seperate system from user data.
[10:39] <brunch875> OerHeks: thanks! :)
[10:39] <OerHeks> brunch875, the '< ' got me off track
[10:40] <brunch875> It seems to be stepped in zesty, don't like it!
[10:40] <Cooler> k1l_, no i am not talking about some specific setup, i mean by default
[10:43] <Herbalist> k1l_.. it's English
[10:44] <Herbalist> desktop is "Ubuntu Desktop"
[10:44] <ducasse> Cooler: /home is part of the root filesystem by default, you need to specifically set it up to get it another disk/partition
[10:45] <OerHeks> so the answer is simply: no
[10:49] <anddam> Herbalist: what's the path item in System Settings?
[10:51] <Herbalist> System Settings:All Settings:Firewall Configuratio
[10:52] <Herbalist> not that it bothers me .. i just noticed it
[10:54] <k1l_> Herbalist: that is not a standard setup. what program makes that icon there?
[10:54] <Herbalist> the icon is a blue shield with a with stripe
[10:54] <OerHeks> gufw i guess
[10:54] <brillenfux> hi, at this point what am I supposed to do if I need VMware shared folders to work on a Ubuntu 14.04.5 client? none of the proposed solutions found on the internet seem to work anymore? And: did Ubuntu 14.04 _actually_ change the major version (3 to 4) of the Linux kernel via point release?
[10:54] <Herbalist> could it be from simple firewall ?
[10:56] <k1l_> yes, could be
[10:56] <ducasse> brillenfux: go back to the original 14.04 kernel if that works, it's still supported and updated
[10:56] <Herbalist> yea i remember installing it in the very beginning
[10:57] <Herbalist> at version 14.04
[10:57] <ducasse> brillenfux: the only difference in those point releases is the kernel version and x stack for newer hw support.
[10:57] <Herbalist> (my beginning :P)
[11:00] <Herbalist> sometimes my shutdown process is counting down for 90 seconds saying "a stop job is running for user lightdm"
[11:00] <Herbalist> who is user lightdm ?
[11:02] <ducasse> the user id that runs the lightdm process (the default display manager)
[11:06] <brillenfux> ducasse: that was my initial instinct
[11:11] <ducasse> brillenfux: but it doesn't work?
[11:11] <Herbalist> ty ducasse
[11:12] <brillenfux> ducasse: I wasn't doing it, I was just checking for alternatives. I don't know everything.
[11:15] <ducasse> brillenfux: i just assumed the kernel version was somehow significant since you brought it up. you could also ask in a vmware channel, check with !alis if one exists on freenode.
[11:19] <brillenfux> ducasse: that's basically what I assumed as well. If Ubuntu users don't have a clue I'm almost certain VMware users won't have either (that said IRC represents a very small sub-group)
[11:22] <ducasse> brillenfux: afaik few people here use vmware, most of us seem to use either virtualbox or kvm.
[11:23] <XaT> Hoy hoy hoy
[11:23] <XaT> Is it possible to see how much mA comes out on a USB port?
[11:27] <OerHeks> XaT, lsusb -v # this gives a max power value, not currently used
[11:27] <OerHeks> if you find an other answer, please let us know
[11:30] <immu> how do i trigger the bug filing system
[11:30] <k1l_> !bug | immu
[11:50] <MustaKrakish> my sound has stopped working, HDA-Intel
[11:50] <MustaKrakish> hdmi sound works but not the analogue...any ideas?
[11:51] <Windfisc1> MustaKrakish: muted? the specific output muted? another output unmuted? does it think that headphones are plugged in / are not plugged in?
[11:51] <MustaKrakish> Windfisc1, checked all that
[11:51] <MustaKrakish> aplay -l shows both sound devices
[11:51] <Windfisc1> i had a similar problem, and found out that the built-in laptop speakers stopped working when the earphone output was UNmuted
[11:51] <Windfisc1> (which, sort of makes sense. but meh)
[11:52] <MustaKrakish> hardware tab under sound prefs only shows the HDMI
[11:54] <immu> did you check your device in Alsa manager? from command line
[11:54] <MustaKrakish> immu, I'm not sure what controls the sound anymore, whether its pulse or alsa or both?
[11:54] <MustaKrakish> alsamixer sees the analogue card
[11:55] <OerHeks> in alsamixer, hit F6: choose output device
[11:55] <immu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:55] <MustaKrakish> OerHeks, nothing is muted in alsamixer (1  HDA Intel PCH)
[11:57] <immu> what is your chipset
[11:57] <immu> did you install any software? or package?
[11:57] <MustaKrakish> immu, nope, was working on Friday, came in this morning and it's not
[11:57] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, do you have automute disabledin alsamixer
[11:57] <MustaKrakish> Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller
[11:58] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, not as far as I know
[11:58] <immu> did you playanything in bios?
[11:58] <MustaKrakish> immu, I have literally changed nothing
[11:58] <immu> check here | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=177396
[11:58] <BluesKaj> if auomute is enabled= no audio
[11:59] <immu> are you using firefox?
[12:00] <MustaKrakish> immu, no...chrome
[12:00] <immu> try this
[12:00] <mtnz> hi i need to try eggdrop doesnt work TCL problem
[12:00] <mtnz> someone help?
[12:00] <immu> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[12:00] <immu> in console?
[12:01] <immu> so you get a sound output
[12:01] <MustaKrakish> no sound
[12:01] <immu> sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[12:01] <MustaKrakish> ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused aplay: main:722: audio open error: Connection refused using sudo
[12:03] <immu> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Right.wav
[12:04] <immu> i can play all three , left, right and center
[12:04] <MustaKrakish> says it's playing but no sound
[12:04] <BluesKaj> muck about all you want, but if automute is enabled in alsamixer, there will be no audio output no matter what you try
[12:04] <immu> did you check alsa mixer
[12:04] <MustaKrakish> immu, yes...
[12:04] <immu> what about alsamixer
[12:04] <MustaKrakish> i did
[12:04] <MustaKrakish> check
[12:04] <MustaKrakish> alsamixer
[12:05] <thiras> hello
[12:05] <thiras> i get error while cups packages update
[12:05] <thiras> unmet dependency errors
[12:05] <thiras> latest LTS
[12:05] <thiras> nothing weird on the system. i didn't even use cups
[12:06] <dchapman> thiras: what deps
[12:06] <k1l_> thiras: can you put the errors into paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here?
[12:06] <dchapman> ^
[12:06] <immu> did you check the automute option?
[12:07] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, automute is disabled
[12:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:07] <thiras> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24260449/
[12:07] <immu> toggle it to lineout+speaker
[12:07] <thiras> dchapman, k1l_ ^
[12:08] <immu> sudo aplay -l
[12:08] <MustaKrakish> immu, the analogue card is NOT showing up in sound preferences but it does in alsamixer
[12:08] <immu> put it in paste.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <MustaKrakish> immu, it shows in aplay -l
[12:08] <immu> ok
[12:08] <k1l_> thiras: go to system settings > update & software and make sure -updates and -security repos are enabled
[12:08] <immu> find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd
[12:09] <thiras> k1l_, already enabled
[12:09] <MustaKrakish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260458/
[12:09] <k1l_> thiras: "sudo apt update" and put the output again into the pastebin
[12:10] <thiras> this is first time error appeared https://paste.ubuntu.com/24260465/ k1l_
[12:10] <MustaKrakish> immu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260467/
[12:10] <immu> Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
[12:10] <immu> myoutput
[12:11] <thiras> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24260473/ this is apt update output k1l_
[12:11] <immu> lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[12:11] <k1l_> thiras: ok, try a "sudo apt install -f"
[12:11] <MustaKrakish> immu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260478/
[12:12] <thiras> k1l_, this is output https://paste.ubuntu.com/24260483/
[12:12] <thiras> sudo apt install -f output
[12:13] <immu> output is similar to mine
[12:13] <thiras> kind of weird to have nvidia libs on that output
[12:13] <ducasse> !who | immu thiras
[12:13] <k1l_> thiras: "sudo apt full-upgrade". looks like it worked
[12:14] <BluesKaj> wonder if the the kernwl module is loaded, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, will load the driver MustaKrakish
[12:14] <thiras> nothing unusual seems ok.
[12:14] <immu> MustaKrakish: what does soundsetting menu says?
[12:14] <thiras> hope it won't cause problem in the future. thanks k1l_
[12:15] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, modules are loaded yes
[12:15] <MustaKrakish> immu, as i said before, the card is NOT listed in the sound preferences menu
[12:15] <MustaKrakish> I'm going to reboot and see what happens
[12:16] <adante> i've run do-release-upgrade and it now says "Nothing to restart" and has just paused there. what does this mean?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> F6 in alsamixer choose the soundcard
[12:16] <immu> ok
[12:17] <BluesKaj> then there's pulseaudio, it could be mucking up the audio out setting
[12:17] <mantise> hi. when i remove a HDD from my pc, data auto mounted at /mnt/data, i cant starty up ubuntu ? should i just goto disks and remove auto mount at start up to remove that problem ?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> mantise, where is your grub installed
[12:20] <ducasse> mantise: can you pastebin /etc/fstab?
[12:21] <mantise> BluesKaj: on my main HD with ubuntu install.. its a pure ubuntu pc
[12:21] <mantise> ducasse: sec
[12:22] <mantise> ducasse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260513/
[12:23] <mantise> that is the /mnt/data. a 1 tb hd that i use for data only
[12:23] <BluesKaj> mantise, like ducasse implies, if you remove a drive/partition listed in fstab , your system won't boot
[12:23] <ducasse> mantise: change the /mnt/data line to 'UUID=b99f2bfe-036c-48b6-8847-cef9eaf09283 /mnt/data       ext4    defaults,nofail        0       2'
[12:24] <mantise> BluesKaj: weird tho. that you cant remove a  disk without this error :)
[12:24] <mantise> ducasse:  ok, so just ad the nofail ? :)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> mantise, think the , nofail should solve that
[12:25] <ducasse> mantise: what happened is that systemd expected that disk to be present since it's in fstab, and when it can't find it it throws an error.
[12:25] <ducasse> mantise: yes
[12:25] <mantise> ducasse: ok, which means it will ignore the disk if it isnt there ? :)
[12:25] <ducasse> mantise: it essentially means "don't freak out if you can't find this disk" :)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> hehe
[12:25] <mantise> ducasse: thank you :) will do that :)
[12:28] <mantise> ducasse: oh cr.. :D how i i edit the file in gnome editor? i mean open the file as sudo, while not in terminal
[12:28] <ducasse> mantise: 'gksudo gedit /etc/fstab' - do not use plain sudo
[12:29] <mantise> ok
[12:29] <mantise> :)
[12:29] <immu> is he back
[12:29] <BluesKaj> immu, not yet
[12:30] <mantise> ducasse: dont have gksudo tho... says i should install it, but what "is" it ?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !gksudo
[12:30] <mantise> i see. thanks :)
[12:31] <BluesKaj> mantise, never run a gui/graphical app as sudo , always use gksudo
[12:32] <ducasse> mantise: if you just use regular sudo you are going to end up with files in your homedir suddenly being owned by root, preventing other apps from running as normal.
[12:32] <mantise> thanks :)
[12:33] <MustaKrakish> immu, had to kill pulseaudio and now it works
[12:33] <mantise> gonna try remove the hd, and see if i can boot :D
[12:33] <mantise> brb
[12:34] <immu> ok goodf
[12:34] <MustaKrakish> so pulse is crap, thats my prognosis
[12:35] <immu> not so
[12:36] <MustaKrakish> its not the first time it's happened
[12:36] <immu> its a good audio server and going forward a important part of linux distro
[12:36] <immu> must be some reason
[12:36] <immu> u may need to file a bug for it
[12:36] <immu> u got a HP laptop
[12:36] <MustaKrakish> mkay
[12:36] <MustaKrakish> yeah
[12:36] <MustaKrakish> ProBook 470
[12:37] <immu> i got a Alienware 14
[12:37] <immu> but similar audiochipset
[12:37] <MustaKrakish> must of been expensive
[12:37] <aich> hi
[12:37] <immu> secondhand so half price;)
[12:37] <MustaKrakish> :)
[12:38]  * MustaKrakish has a Dell XPS 15 at home
[12:38] <immu> running linux on it
[12:38] <MustaKrakish> on it's last legs...Nvidia card is damaged
[12:38] <bytefire> hi has anyone used tmux on windows 10 bash shell
[12:38] <immu> ok
[12:38] <ducasse> !ubuwin | bytefire
[12:38] <immu> Xps15 is which year model
[12:38] <MustaKrakish> runs at 95 degrees playing diablo 3 lowest graphics tuned down with afterburner to 450Mhx and 600Mhz
[12:38] <bytefire> ty
[12:39] <MustaKrakish> immu, its 6 years old
[12:39] <immu> ubottu:  you a bot or real
[12:39] <MustaKrakish> L502X
[12:39] <ducasse> !chat
[12:39] <immu> oh so old
[12:39] <MustaKrakish> aye
[12:40] <immu> i also installed alsa drivers from one ubuntu site
[12:40] <immu> so its using those drivers
[12:40]  * MustaKrakish is running stock 4.4.0-70
[12:42] <brillenfux> ducasse: well, thanks for your input :)
[12:42] <CrazySane> !ubottu > crazysane
[12:43] <immu> which Os are u using
[12:43] <immu> LTS
[12:43] <immu> 4.8.0-41-generic on 16.10
[12:44] <immu> MustaKrakish:
[12:44] <MustaKrakish> 16.04-2
[12:44] <MustaKrakish> 16.04.2 LTS (Xenial Xerus)
[12:45] <immu> MustaKrakish:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa
[12:46] <immu> logging from kiwiirc
[12:46] <immu> brb
[12:47] <immu> hey
[12:49] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, intel audio driver is written to by itself on alsa , not pulseaudio like most other soundcards these days
[12:49] <BluesKaj> run
[12:50] <immu> MustaKrakish: hey
[12:50] <immu> am i still in?
[12:50] <jink> Seems like it.
[12:50] <immu> MustaKrakish: cool
[12:51] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, I have 2 machines with intel audio , neither one needs pulse
[12:51] <immu> BluesKaj: MustaKrakish    why so?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> because alsa works with snd-hda-intel without pulse , immu
[12:53] <MustaKrakish> I'm used to alsa from my gentoo days
[12:53] <OerHeks> except if you have firefox, that silly browser wants pulseaudio
[12:54] <BluesKaj> fewer layers of audio processing is good
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Orphis, yes , now it does
[12:54] <BluesKaj> OerHeks
[12:55] <BluesKaj> but I dropped FF :-0
[12:55] <immu> who has a future? BluesKaj pluse or alsa
[12:56] <OerHeks> alsa is the kernel routine, pulseaudio just another memoryhog
[12:56] <BluesKaj> immu, alsa is the core pulserides on topm of it
[12:56] <immu> BluesKaj: their must be some reason why pulseaudio got adopted right
[12:57] <ducasse> immu: it offers certain things also doesn't by itself
[12:57] <BluesKaj> immu, it was forced down our throats by canonical back in 2008 because it claimed to solve the audio problems in linux at the time
[12:58] <BluesKaj> crappy audio drivers were the norm back then ,. as some still are today that rely on pulse
[12:59] <MustaKrakish> so instead of fixing alsa, just build a new subsystem and hope for the best?
[13:00] <ikonia> MustaKrakish: please don't be silly
[13:00] <MustaKrakish> lol
[13:00] <immu> MustaKrakish: try running totallly on Ala
[13:00] <immu> Alsa
[13:01] <BluesKaj> it was written by that poettering guy who's also responsible for systemd
[13:01] <BluesKaj> pulse that is
[13:01] <MustaKrakish> makes sense then
[13:02] <immu> i think he is based in Redhat
[13:02] <MustaKrakish> would have come from Fedora first
[13:02] <MustaKrakish> Lennart Poettering
[13:02] <BluesKaj> thanks to intel we can still run pure alsa, but we're restricted one audio source at a time . simultaneous audio is pulse's only advantage
[13:03] <jinxiL> hi
[13:03] <jinxiL> I would like to install ubuntu along side with Windows. But I don't have a usb stick. Can I launch the installer from windows and install ubuntu on my computer?
[13:03] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, I'm not running an audio desk here at work so multiple audio systems isn't a requirement. Drowning the droning of my fellow employees is.
[13:03] <hateball> jinxiL: No
[13:03] <OerHeks> jinxiL, no.
[13:04] <MustaKrakish> what happened to Wubi?
[13:04] <OerHeks> jinxiL, only if you had grub bootloader installed, you could.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, :-)
[13:04] <immu> where do we get speakers which plug into HDMI
[13:04] <BluesKaj> immu, in your tv
[13:04] <ducasse> MustaKrakish: that's dead
[13:04] <MustaKrakish> ducasse, thought so
[13:05] <MustaKrakish> too much to maintain it i guess
[13:05] <immu> any speakers into my HDMI port
[13:05] <immu> say on mylaptop
[13:05] <MustaKrakish> immu, I have an HDMI to VGA adapter, gives me an audio jack out
[13:05] <BluesKaj> immu, do a seach, there must be some powered speakers that take a hdmi input
[13:05] <ducasse> MustaKrakish: it didn't work with newer windows versions (or uefi, iirc)
[13:06] <MustaKrakish> ducasse, yeah
[13:07] <immu> jinxiL: you can try using virtualbox oracale
[13:07] <MustaKrakish> or vmware player
[13:07] <MustaKrakish> depending if you need snapshots or not
[13:07] <immu> vmplayer is paid
[13:07] <MustaKrakish> immu, you can run non commercial for free
[13:07] <MustaKrakish> it's just non-free
[13:08] <MustaKrakish> (free)dom
[13:08] <MustaKrakish> immu, I use it for my Win7 VM here at work
[13:10] <FinalX> how to get an ubuntu container owned in minutes after creation: ssh is installed by default, ubuntu user created without a password and full sudo rights without requiring anything. god. at least set a random password for the ubuntu user like debian does for its root user by default.
[13:10]  * FinalX facepalms
[13:11] <OerHeks>  /addtopic let us do your 127.0.0.1-work
[13:11] <ducasse> FinalX: what kind of container?
[13:12] <FinalX> lxc, default ubuntu template, 16.04 in 16.04
[13:12] <FinalX> lxc-create -t ubuntu -n whatever
[13:12] <ducasse> FinalX: you do know you can pass options to the template, such as username and password?
[13:12] <FinalX> oh, and ferm allows ssh by default, too :)
[13:12] <FinalX> no, I don't
[13:12] <ducasse> FinalX: you do now :)
[13:13] <immu> MustaKrakish: ok
[13:14] <immu> MustaKrakish: going out to play with kids :)
[13:14] <MustaKrakish> :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> immu, have fun :-)
[13:14] <samwong> hi
[13:14] <ducasse> FinalX: lxc-create -t ubuntu -n test -- --auth-key /path/to/id_rsa.pub -u username --password test --packages list,of,packages,to,install
[13:14] <immu> BluesKaj: MustaKrakish okie
[13:15] <miczac> Hi, I got a datafile I want to relate to a program which I had to install manually (not via software manager). How can I configure this realation? (i.e. double click on file opens the program with this file)
[13:16] <FinalX> ducasse: seems in newer versions of the template it's different (no default user, no root password, no openssh installed, and thus requiring manual setup)
[13:16] <ChadTaljaardt> Does anyone know how to kill a process running on the GPU? i tried "kill -9 <pid>" but it never worked
[13:16] <FinalX> (as I'd expect it to ;-))
[13:17] <seni> is there a way to run `dpkg -x` so that the extraction doesnt try and change permissions on existing folders
[13:18] <samwong> I received an email yesterday telling me there was a new version of ubuntu 17.04. I immediately erased my old ubuntu and installed the new one. Unfortunately, the new version couldn't connect to the internet. I have no option but to re-installed the old one. Any help is appreciated.
[13:19] <immu> samwong: who emailed you, is on final beta, will be ready by April 13th
[13:19] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | samwong
[13:20] <samwong> it seemed coming from Ubuntu.com
[13:21] <BluesKaj> samwong, beta2I assume
[13:21] <OerHeks> samwong, no wifi? try wired networking then ..
[13:21] <BluesKaj> err beta 2
[13:21] <samwong> both were unable to connect me to the internet
[13:21] <tmladek> samwong: what do you mean ¨unable¨? what was the specific error?
[13:21] <samwong> both eth0 and wifi
[13:22] <ducasse> samwong: it's still in development, problems are to be expected.
[13:22] <miczac> how can a manually installed program be registered as default application for a certain data type?
[13:22] <samwong> the driver was working properly but .......
[13:24] <samwong> the wifi signal was very strong and IP address was also available but it just didn't work at all
[13:25] <OerHeks> the team in #ubuntu+1 maybe can tell if this is a know issue/fix
[13:25] <hateball> miczac: register the mime-type
[13:26] <hateball> miczac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingMimeTypes
[13:28] <samwong> immu, do you mean everything will be alright after april 13?
[13:28] <miczac> hateball: I also found this, which seems less straight forward: https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/ubuntu-fix-add-program-to-list-of-applications-in-open-with-when-right-clicking-files-in-nautilus/
[13:30] <ducasse> samwong: it may or may not be. it's doubtful the will be no bugs upon release, though.
[13:30] <miczac> hateball: how's the application being referred to? The name is quasi arbitrary, with spaces.
[13:32] <samwong> ducasse, i should wait a little bit longer then
[13:32] <jusss> where I should save my systemd service?  /etc/systemd/system/ ?
[13:32] <EriC^^> jusss: i think in /lib/systemd/system
[13:32] <ducasse> samwong: if you want a stable system, it is rarely a great idea to install a new release before or just after the release date.
[13:32] <ducasse> jusss: /etc/systemd/system/ yes
[13:32] <EriC^^> jusss: then systemctl enable service will make the symlinks and everything for you
[13:33] <ducasse> /lib/systemd/system is for packaged services
[13:33] <jusss> EriC^^: ducasse  should there be personal path?
[13:34] <jusss> like ~/.config/systemd/
[13:34] <ducasse> jusss: that is for user services
[13:34] <samwong> ducasse, you are right, I should give this up
[13:35] <jusss> ducasse: that will work? store it there, and systemctl enable it?
[13:35] <jusss> ducasse: I do like non-root to run some systemd service
[13:36] <ducasse> jusss: for user services, store them in ~/.config/systemd/user
[13:36] <jusss> ducasse: do I need to run systemctl enable xxx?
[13:37] <jusss> or just save it is all right
[13:37] <PCatinean> Hey guys
[13:37] <PCatinean> I have internet/wireless connection that interrupts ever x minutes for a few seconds. And it seems to only happen in Ubuntu
[13:37] <PCatinean> any idea how I can debug/fix this?
[13:37] <ducasse> jusss: systemctl --user enable ...
[13:38] <jusss> ducasse: oh I see, I'll try it, thanks
[13:39] <ducasse> jusss: see this for details - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User
[13:49] <yourwhat> Hello! Does anyone know how to install nodejs on linux? I downloaded the binary files but I don't know what to do next
[13:50] <miki1964> ciao
[13:50] <ikonia> yourwhat: have you read any of the documentation on it ?
[13:51] <ikonia> yourwhat: have you looked in the ubuntu repos for a pre-packaged version
[13:51] <yourwhat> ikonia: the version in ubuntu repos is very old, I can't use it
[13:51] <yourwhat> ikonia: the documentation doesn't say anything about where to put binary files
[13:52] <ikonia> yourwhat: you put it where you want
[13:52] <ikonia> you're downloading it - do what you want with it
[13:52] <ikonia> I suspect the verion in a current ubuntu install isn't that old and I'd doubt it's "unusable"
[13:53] <yourwhat> I tried it and it's not unusable, but doesn't work for me
[13:53] <ducasse> yourwhat: if you get the software from them, get the instructions/support there as well
[13:53] <ikonia> what stops it from being usable
[13:53] <ikonia> yourwhat: why is it not usable ?
[13:53] <yourwhat> and the thing is I want to be able to run it from any directory
[13:53] <ikonia> yourwhat: wnat to be able to run it from any directory
[13:53] <ikonia> yourwhat: lets step back
[13:54] <ikonia> yourwhat: what's the problem with the ubuntu packaged and supported version
[13:54] <yourwhat> ducasse: I can't because their irc channel doesn't allow me to send messages
[13:54] <ducasse> !register | yourwhat
[13:54] <yourwhat> ikonia: the version in ubuntu repos is old and it doesn't work with some of the tools that I use
[13:55] <ikonia> yourwhat: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:55] <yourwhat> ikonia: 16.10
[13:57] <ikonia> yourwhat: I very much doubt that software is far beind the bleeding edge
[13:57] <yourwhat> ikonia: I downloaded binary files for the newest version of nodejs but I don't know what to do with them to make it work from every directory on my system just like it is when you install something from the repo
[13:57] <ikonia> and if its "too old" I'd question the tools you're using and how you can keep up with them
[13:57] <ikonia> yourwhat: you need to set your shell PATH variable
[13:57] <jusss> ducasse: can I save systemd service anywhere and use systemctl link to run it?
[13:57] <yourwhat> ikonia: ok but how do I know to which files?
[13:58] <Spacebear>  Hi, I have two freshly wiped drives (dd if=/dev/zero of=/drive/) but when I go to create a mirrored ZFS pool I get this
[13:58] <Spacebear> cannot open '/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0_WD-WCATRC312364-part1': Device or resource busy
[13:59] <ikonia> yourwhat: you're putting the files on your system
[13:59] <ikonia> yourwhat: so you set your PATH to the directory that contains the binaries you want to run
[13:59] <ikonia> Spacebear: that means they are in use by something
[13:59] <ducasse> jusss: i think so, but it might become confusing imo
[13:59] <Spacebear> ikonia, both drives are unmounted at the start of the process.
[14:00] <yourwhat> ikonia: thanks for help I will try that!
[14:00] <ikonia> Spacebear: unmounted does not mean they are not in use
[14:00] <Spacebear> how could I make sure nothing but ZFS is using them?
[14:00] <tom___> Hi, i use ubuntu server 16.04.2 but it takes unusually long to start the server. See the full dmesg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260947/) and the lines which seem to hang somehow (http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260952/).
[14:01] <ducasse> Spacebear: zpool create -f ...
[14:01] <Spacebear> ducasse, I'm using zpool create -f....
[14:01] <Spacebear> ducasse,  sudo zpool create -f amon /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0_WD-WCATRC312364 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1003FZEX-00MK2A0_WD-WCC3F4TRLK4T
[14:02] <jusss> ducasse: I cp my service into ~/.config/systemd/user/ and run systemctl --user daemon-reload; systemctl start my.service and it tells me servicve not found...
[14:03] <jusss> sytemctl --user start my.service
[14:03] <ducasse> Spacebear: did you try checking with lsof/fuser if anything is using them?
[14:03] <ducasse> jusss: you need to enable it first
[14:03] <Spacebear> ducasse, ok I just checked gparted, the drive it says is busy, it successfully creates 2 partitions
[14:03] <Spacebear> but didn't touch the other drive.
[14:05] <ducasse> Spacebear: what did lsof say?
[14:05] <Spacebear> lsof says nothing
[14:06] <Spacebear> its blank
[14:06] <ducasse> Spacebear: sudo lsof /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0_WD-WCATRC312364
[14:06] <Spacebear> outputs nothing
[14:07] <ducasse> then i don't know. try #zfsonlinux? i just needed to use -f when i did this.
[14:07] <Spacebear> I tried zfs, they're all silent as fuck :9
[14:07] <Spacebear> :(*
[14:08] <jusss> ducasse: it's a systemd.mount, it needs to run with root?
[14:08] <Spacebear> from what I'm gathering, its creating the pool on both disks, then on sde it fails
[14:08] <jusss> mount something need to be root
[14:08] <PCatinean> I have internet/wireless connection that interrupts ever x minutes for a few seconds. And it seems to only happen in Ubuntu
[14:08] <PCatinean> any idea how I can debug/fix this?
[14:12] <ducasse> Spacebear: fyi - we keep the language family friendly in here
[14:13] <ducasse> jusss: it might, i've never tested. i think --user is just for services
[14:15] <hackel> Anyone know of an app that can visualize memory usage (like baoab, kdirstat, etc.)?  Looks like there was a proposal for a GNOME app for this, but it hasn't materialized yet.  With parent/child processes/threads branching out at the ends.
[14:18] <mandar> hello
[14:18] <Guest73838> hi
[14:23] <jwty> My debian and Ubuntu cant boot because of this error
[14:23] <jwty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24254054/
[14:23] <MustaKrakish> so it looks as if pulse starts twice on boot
[14:23] <MustaKrakish> I have to kill them both in order for my analogue device to get picked up
[14:26] <jwty> Any help
[14:26] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, purge pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils
[14:26] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[14:27] <hsx> hello ?
[14:27] <hsx> I need help with installing
[14:27] <digbychicken> hsx: Installing Ubuntu? What have you done so far?
[14:27] <digbychicken> hsx: And welcome! :)
[14:28] <hsx> yeah thank you ^^
[14:28] <hsx> it will be a long description but yeah
[14:28] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, will do
[14:28] <digbychicken> hsx: Well...before you get started...did you try and it doesn't work?
[14:29] <hsx> Its like yesterday I crashed it and it wont let me install again
[14:29] <digbychicken> ok
[14:29] <digbychicken> hsx: Were you using a USB stick or a CD drive or something else?
[14:29] <hsx> Both
[14:29] <digbychicken> hsx: Laptop or desktop? Just curious.
[14:30] <hsx> laptop
[14:30] <OerHeks> if you crashed it, fix it.
[14:30] <hsx> allready too late
[14:30] <digbychicken> hsx: Ok...when you say it won't let you install again, will it just not boot to the USB/CD?
[14:33] <bfernando> Hi guys :)  Is anyone using ubuntu 14.04 with the i3 window manager ?
[14:33] <immu> nope
[14:34] <hsx> I own a Acer Aspire F15 F5-573G-74X5 bought it  wednesday for my studies and work etc. It has 2 HDs sda is a 1TB HDD and sdb is a 256GB SSD. I want to install it on my SSD. yesterday I installed it everything worked, no probs at all. but then I tryed to install Bumblebee and crashed my GPU drivers and i could not se a thing. then I wanted to reinstall it and first It wouldnt let me isntall the
[14:34] <hsx> bootloader, it just said "error while installing bootloader" while almost at the end of the installation. I tried many things, it won't work. then I tryed it again and and I cannot even isntall it anymore. Im going to that point where you can select your HD to install it on and then when I hit next it jumps back one step and won't do anyting. and if I hit next then, i can choose again on which
[14:34] <hsx> HD i want to install and so on. Its like its in a loop.
[14:36] <OerHeks> bumblebee is old, prime is current the tool with nvidiadrivers in our repos. try to boot in  a live session, to see with gparted what is going on
[14:36] <digbychicken> hsx: That's a new one for me...you should be able to overwrite your old install w/o an issue.
[14:37] <mrchairman> Does anyone know of a pi distro that comes pre-configured with ssh and a web server?
[14:37] <digbychicken> hsx: OerHeks recommendation
[14:37] <OerHeks> mrchairman, not with ubuntu.
[14:38] <mrchairman> OerHeks, probably wrong channel. Figured someone in this vast space would know
[14:38] <OerHeks> mrchairman, ubuntu core does come with ssh keys personalised, but not with a webserver
[14:38] <hsx> digbychicken: what do you mean with this ?
[14:39] <hsx> I formatted my HDs there is nothing left
[14:39] <digbychicken> hsx: OerHeks suggested a live session...that's a good idea
[14:39] <Rob235> hey
[14:39] <digbychicken> hsx: you might be able to do a boot repair there if need be
[14:39] <hsx> uhm but that somehow doesn't help because I can't even get close to install Ubuntu
[14:40] <digbychicken> hsx: You should be able to run a live session w/ a install CD...you should get the choice of "try Ubuntu without installing"
[14:40] <Rob235> looking to install a luks/lvm ubuntu system in a vm.  Is the best way to create a regular boot partition, then create a luks partition of the rest of the disk, then in that luks create a lvm with root and swap lv's?
[14:40] <digbychicken> hsx: It will load the OS in memory and allow you to poke around
[14:41] <hsx> but there is nothing left to repair ^^
[14:41] <hsx> I am currently running Ubuntu live from my usb and I'm in the interface
[14:43] <gaby_> hey nigga
[14:43] <omnigoat> has anyone successfully ran ubuntu cloud images with qemu and managed to seed it with cloud config data (ala https://github.com/number5/cloud-init/blob/master/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt)?
[14:43] <gaby_> omnigoat shut up
[14:44] <Rob235> ok guess my first question is getting ignored, heres an easier one. if I'm not running any servers from my machine is there any reason to install ubuntu server edition?
[14:44] <adac> Even though I have installed "davfs2" when I try to mount a webdav I get: Error mounting /mnt/backup: /sbin/mount.davfs: mounting failed; the server does not support WebDAV
[14:44] <adac> any ideas why this might happen?
[14:44] <OerHeks> !coc > gaby_ keep this channel family friendly
[14:44] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: yes that worked for me
[14:45] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: happen to remember which cloud image it was? xenial or something earlier?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: umm, like all of them I think
[14:46] <Rob235> yea thanks for the help guys
[14:46] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: ok... thanks. at least I know it's possible then
[14:46] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: I look for some links for you, give me a sec
[14:47] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: I've perused at least the first 10 that comes up with various google searches for this
[14:47] <McErroneous> Hi, if i execute Terminal , the "set-command" is not showing the desired Environment-variables why, and how do i enable the set-command of showing me the desired output ?
[14:47] <dewd> I feel like I am missing a special step in partitioning and formatting a usb drive to setup to be a bootable usb of ubuntu.  I've tried partitoning and formatting it using gparted, then using unetbootin.  But I get a blinking cursor at boot. I've tried usb-creator with same result. I have also tried remaking the partition table, with fdisk AND gparted. Same result, blinking cursor. Have also tried using
[14:47] <dewd> multisystem, and I get the same result. I have also tried using install-mbr to rewruite an mbr, with no luck. Though when I use windows to make it, it works fine. But I no longer have access to a windows machine.
[14:48] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: if for example you use uvtool like "uvt-kvm create ..." it actually does just that behind the scenes
[14:48] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: it creates IIRC a nocloud datasource as second disk
[14:48] <BluesKaj> dewd, try dd
[14:49] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: ah, alright. I think I'll try that next then
[14:49] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: yeah you could see how it does and derive from there
[14:50] <charwood> Hello.  I'm looking at an iptables recent filter list and seeing entries that say "last_seen: 7589807993"  and am trying to figure out what unit that timestamp is in.
[14:50] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: that surely is the most direct link that should give you a howto http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[14:50] <charwood> It's greater than 2^32 so it's not a unix epoch.  Maybe milliseconds since boot or something?
[14:50] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: did you try that as well already?
[14:52] <OerHeks> charwood, That's a number of jiffies, which is an internal kernel variable incremented every 1/HZ seconds.
[14:53] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: yup. the vm boots but the seed data has no effect. my environment is a bit different though, I'm on Arch and don't have the 'kvm' command and I'm using qemu-system-x86_64
[14:53] <charwood> OerHeks: Thank you.
[14:54] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: I might just try this whole thing on ubuntu first... for a sanity check.
[14:54] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: are your guests arch as well?
[14:54] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: no, those are the ubuntu cloud imgs
[14:54] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: ok good, should work as you describe then
[14:54] <cpaelzer> hmm
[14:55] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: the kvm commanr is just a wrapper adding enable-kvm
[14:55] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: yea, suspected as much
[14:55] <omnigoat> cpaelzer: anyway, thanks a ton. I'll give uvtool a test... and then I might just try this whole thing on ubuntu for a sanity check.
[14:55] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: cloud-init has plenty of logs, especially in most recent versions you should find what cause it not to do anything
[14:56] <cpaelzer> omnigoat: ok, good luck
[15:05] <bipolar> I've been hit with this cups packaging bug in 16.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1676376 ... If anyone here is working on it, I am here to help confirm the fix and provide input if needed. I've already added my own data to the bug.
[15:06] <grv> hi
[15:07] <grv> hi
[15:07] <bipolar> Hi grv
[15:07] <grv> anyone can help with the drupal
[15:08] <grv> bipolar hi
[15:08] <immu> MustaKrakish: hi
[15:08] <MustaKrakish> sup
[15:09] <immu> so hows pulse audio MustaKrakish
[15:09] <bipolar> grv: Unless it's an Ubuntu specific installation issue, with official ubuntu packages, it's best to ask in the Drupal channel. What's the issue?
[15:09] <MustaKrakish> immu, purged
[15:09] <immu> u on alsa only
[15:10] <bipolar> grv: there is a #drupal channel you can join
[15:10] <MustaKrakish> immu, haven't rebooted yet
[15:10] <grv> I hv install the drupal in the server ,I am unable to open on my web page
[15:11] <immu> oke
[15:11] <grv> is there any default username
[15:11] <grv> ??
[15:11] <bipolar> grv: did you install it from Ubuntu packages with apt?
[15:11] <grv> I have yes
[15:12] <bipolar> grv: have you followed the instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal#Install_Drupal_package_from_the_Ubuntu_repositories ?
[15:12] <immu> MustaKrakish: you always hangout here
[15:12] <OerHeks> grv, no, just create an account, The first account will automatically become the main administrator account with total control.
[15:12] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal
[15:12] <OerHeks> might be old, so investigate further
[15:13] <rumbler31> I'm trying to burn iso's of 16.04.2 LTS for use on macs, and I've re-downloaded the isos, checked the md5sums and wasted 3 dvds trying to create a readable disk
[15:13] <grv> there is only option for password during installation
[15:13] <grv> that why I am asking its default username
[15:13] <nicomachus> rumbler31: make sure you're doing a slow burn speed.
[15:13] <MustaKrakish> immu, when I have issues with Ubuntu yeah, otherwise I'm in #gentoo-chat mostly
[15:13] <immu> ok
[15:13] <immu> so u use gentoo also
[15:14] <MustaKrakish> immu, yup
[15:14] <brunch875> hello, I have a friend with a 64 bit OS who needs to use some 32-bit libraries. libatlas:i386 in specific. But the package manager complains that it depends on whatever other 32 bit packages which won't be installed
[15:14] <rumbler31> nicomachus:  my last burn was at the slowest speed.  there is a wiki article from 2015 that suggests that a special iso was necessary for macs to be able to read the resulting disks, and such an iso was made for the 14 LTS,
[15:14] <brunch875> is there any way to get info on how to fix this?
[15:14] <bipolar> grv: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal#Complete_the_Drupal_Installation_through_a_Browser says you need to create the user though the web interface after the install. Are you sure that password prompt wasn't for creating the MySql database?
[15:14] <nicomachus> brunch875: pretty tough to do that without delving into dependency hell. Is it possible to set up a 32bit VM to do whatever is needed?
[15:15] <bipolar> grv: I don't use Drupal, so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
[15:15] <brunch875> nicomachus: sounds unlikely but I'll ask
[15:15] <OerHeks> bipolar, i think so too, mysql password for drupal use
[15:15] <immu> MustaKrakish: ok
[15:16] <brunch875> nicomachus: but mentioning the depency hell sounds to pretty much answer the question :)
[15:16] <nacc> !info libatlas | brunch875
[15:16] <nicomachus> brunch875: it's a bad place to be.
[15:16] <nacc> brunch875: what "OS" ?
[15:16] <brunch875> ubuntu
[15:16] <brunch875> libatlas-dev I think it's called
[15:17] <brunch875> she said to need libatlas*
[15:17] <gaby_> shut the fuck up
[15:17] <brunch875> !info libatlas-dev
[15:17] <gaby_> shut the fuck up
[15:17] <Fenriz> hello
[15:17] <gaby_> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[15:17] <gaby_> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[15:17] <gaby_> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[15:17] <gaby_> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[15:17] <nacc> brunch875: can you pastebin the exact message?
[15:17] <moongazer> What is this?!
[15:17] <nicomachus> moongazer: spam. ignore and move on.
[15:18] <brunch875> nacc: I can forward you the screen-photo she sent me
[15:18] <brunch875> 1 sec
[15:19] <brunch875> nacc: http://imgur.com/a/bDdqu
[15:20] <brunch875> trying to apt-get those libblas-* packages just complains that it needs some fortran packages
[15:20] <brunch875> and so on
[15:20] <brunch875> but the tool she's working on is 32 bit only
[15:20] <nicomachus> fortran....?
[15:20] <rumbler31> atlas is a library once written in fortran
[15:21] <rumbler31> you're better off giving her a 32 bit install of an os and going from there
[15:21] <brunch875> yes I thought so too
[15:21] <rumbler31> what tool is she using that is limited to 32 bit?
[15:21] <nacc> brunch875: are they on 16.04?
[15:21] <brunch875> nacc: I'd say so, yes
[15:22] <nacc> brunch875: use a VM or a 32-bit LXD container
[15:22] <brunch875> rumbler31: some AI clustering tool
[15:23] <rumbler31> it might also be easier to see if a precompiled version is available for her os
[15:23] <grv> hi yes I m sure there was no option for user
[15:24] <rumbler31> because the whole point of the tool is to create an optimized linear algebra stack based on whatever hardware/os it is used on.  so it requires a fortran compiler, and for some reason for many years this dependency has been poorly managed.
[15:24] <grv> I am also using joomla and did not find any issues ,It ask for user and password but in drupal I only found password boxx
[15:24] <rumbler31> so if she really doesn't need that extra 10%, you might be better off just grabbing a precompiled package
[15:25] <grv> you there bipolar??
[15:25] <brunch875> unfortunately it doesn't seem like there are precompiled packages
[15:25] <brunch875> I'm leaning towards using a LXD container as nacc said
[15:25] <grv> thanks for you help
[15:26] <flo_> hello to everyone. i just installed kubuntu on a chuwi lapbook 14 and everithing works like a charm except the touchpad wich is detected as a mouse. everything works even gestures but it isn't disabled during typing so i get random clicks because of that
[15:29] <grv> which is the best lite version of ubuntu
[15:30] <OerHeks> grv,  ubuntu server.
[15:30] <compdoc> I install ubuntu server, which is very minimum services. Then I install a minimum Mate desktop
[15:31] <bipolar> grv: Sorry, was afk.
[15:31] <OerHeks> but what would you save, 2 gb?
[15:32] <grv> thanks
[15:32] <compdoc> its not about space saving
[15:33] <grv> I am asking for lubuntu,kubuntu and similar version sme as ubuntu
[15:33] <OerHeks> you can check out their webpages, etc
[15:35] <PipeItToDevNull> OerHeks, that space saved is useful when you run a 8GB /root
[15:35] <nacc> brunch875: fwiw, it seems to be working in a LXD container
[15:37] <grv> how to create a command shortcut or link on the desktop or through keyboard shortcut
[15:37] <brunch875> nacc: She said "too much hassle" and said to have decided to use a lab computer since those use 32-bit installations
[15:37] <brunch875> nacc: but now I'm really curious about LXD and will try it myself :p
[15:37] <nacc> brunch875: ... ok
[15:37] <brunch875> especially since snappy sounds so promising
[15:38] <nacc> brunch875: LXD != snappy
[15:38] <nacc> brunch875: and rather unrelated
[15:38] <nacc> brunch875: beyond 'container'
[15:38] <grv> Is there any way to create shortcuts for running commands
[15:38] <PipeItToDevNull> grv, an alias in your bashrc
[15:39] <nacc> grv: you want a graphical shortcut?
[15:39] <Delta706> grv: or you can source a file
[15:39] <PipeItToDevNull> lol, didnt even think GUI
[15:40] <brunch875> nacc: oh so lxd is a container (chroot in mind) but snappy just a package manager with isolations
[15:40] <grv> yes on desktop ,Like is used to run cammand to load xxamp server from terminal "sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start
[15:40] <grv> sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start
[15:41] <grv> I want to create its shortcut on desktop or through keyboard shortcut
[15:41] <bipolar> grv: what desktop environment are you using? Unity? KDE?
[15:41] <grv> lubuntu 16:04 version
[15:42] <OerHeks> alias can do that, for shell
[15:42] <bipolar> grv: oh, ok. I'm not too familiar with it, but try right clicking somewhere on the desktop and look for a menu item like 'create shortcut' or similar.
[15:43] <grv> ok
[15:43] <bipolar> grv: In kde it's called 'link to application'
[15:43] <nacc> brunch875: right, lxd is 'lightweight virtualization' (system containers rather than what docker does, broadly). snappy (no longer called that, snaps is the term) is a packaging format and `snap` is the package installer, which uses process isolation and squashfs images
[15:44] <grv> yes ,I have got it
[15:44] <PipeItToDevNull> bipolar, Can he not just create a .desktop file
[15:44] <grv> but I run this on terminal to load xxamp server
[15:44] <bipolar> PipeItToDevNull: grv: he can, but it sounds like he's a beginner at this, and a GUI option will be easier to understand at this point.
[15:44] <PipeItToDevNull> grv, Set the shortcut to launch a terminal runnign that command
[15:44] <OerHeks> xxamp is not supported here
[15:45] <OerHeks> or to say correct xampp
[15:46] <bipolar> grv: here is someone asking a similar question with a solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/466395/how-can-i-create-a-quick-launcher-in-lubuntu
[15:46] <OerHeks> official wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[15:47] <bipolar> grv: see OerHeks link too ^
[15:48] <grv> yes,I hv visited the link
[15:48] <grv> thnks
[15:49] <grv> thnks prblm solved..thanks bipolar,oerHeks
[15:49] <bipolar> grv: :)
[15:49] <Zeljkoooo> Permission denied.... when i try to start ./run .... im root on the machine
[15:49] <Zeljkoooo> whats the prob
[15:50] <Delta706> Can someone suggest a weblog client in ubuntu that can be used to update a blog?
[15:50] <bipolar> Zeljkoooo: what does the command 'ls -l ./run' show?
[15:54] <ducasse> Zeljkoooo: what is "./run", and where did you get it?
[15:54] <OerHeks> diff /dev/zero /dev/urandom
[15:55] <nacc> OerHeks: :)
[15:57] <Karthick> Does this sso (login.ubuntu.com) works for askubuntu.com as well ?
[15:58] <OerHeks> Karthick, yes. http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/single-sign-on
[15:58] <Perigee> I recently install XFCE on a 16.04 Ubuntu install, and it changed my login manager theme. How do i change it back to the default?
[15:59] <Dreaman> ask xubuntu channe
[15:59] <Dreaman> channel
[15:59] <nacc> Dreaman: no.
[15:59] <bipolar> Perigee: see if this points you in the right direction: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[15:59] <nacc> Dreaman: xubuntu is also supported here
[16:00] <Perigee> bipolar: Thanks
[16:00] <bipolar> Perigee: np
[16:00] <nacc> Perigee: `dpkg-reconfigure gdm` maybe? and pick which you want
[16:00] <Perigee> It wasn't xubuntu-desktop I install, just regular XFCE.
[16:00] <Dreaman> nacc  unity 8 how to install
[16:00] <Dreaman> haw
[16:01] <nacc> Dreaman: i'm sorry? why did you ask me?
[16:01] <Karthick> OerHeks, thank you
[16:01] <OerHeks> Dreaman, on 16.10 it is a preview version https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/10/13/unity-8-preview-session-in-ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak/
[16:03] <Dreaman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24261564/  :)
[16:04] <OerHeks> So you are on 17.04, join #ubuntu+1 for support
[16:04] <OerHeks> !zesty
[16:09] <Nox_> Hello?
[16:09] <Nox_> Is anyone here?
[16:09] <nacc> Nox_: yes
[16:09] <Nox_> :D
[16:09] <nacc> !ask | Nox_
[16:09] <Nox_> !ask How do I install Ubuntu as a Live USB?
[16:10] <Nox_> T_T
[16:10] <nacc> Nox_: the '!ask' was just a trigger for the bot. You don't need to use it
[16:10] <Nox_> Oh, haha
[16:10] <Nox_> How do I install Ubuntu as a Live USB?
[16:11] <bipolar> Nox_: do you already have an Ubuntu install running you can use to make the USB install?
[16:11] <ducasse> !usb | Nox_
[16:11] <Nox_> No, I do not want it on any of my HDD
[16:11] <PCatinean> I have internet/wireless connection that interrupts ever x minutes for a few seconds. And it seems to only happen in Ubuntu. Can anyone help?
[16:11] <blkadder> https://lmgtfy.com/
[16:11] <Pici> blkadder: Please don't.
[16:11] <bipolar> Nox_: then follow this: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[16:11] <nacc> !google | blkadder
[16:12] <blkadder> LOL
[16:12] <nacc> Nox_: then you want, i guess, either the live usb or persistent usb options that ducasse said?
[16:12] <Nox_> Which one allows me to Live USB
[16:12] <Nox_> Oh, okay
[16:13] <nacc> Nox_: rather than argue about it, read the links first?
[16:13] <bipolar> Nox_: You may want to try out VirtualBox too. It'll be faster then using a USB disk.
[16:13] <k1l_> Nox_: see this https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[16:13] <ducasse> Nox_: do you want to be able to install stuff on the usb and have it survive a reboot?
[16:13] <Nox_> Yes
[16:14] <bipolar> Nox_: Not to mention with VirtualBox you can run Ubuntu inside of Windows so you'll have a familiar environment to learn in.
[16:14] <Nox_> I just need it portable ;#
[16:14] <k1l_> Nox_: then follow the link
[16:15] <Nox_> Okay, thanks
[16:15] <bipolar> Nox_: I'm not sure if the above link allows persistant storage or not. I've never done it that way.
[16:15] <Nox_> Crap
[16:15] <Nox_> Hmm
[16:15] <nacc> you probably have to install from windows *and* read the link about persistent usb
[16:15] <Nox_> T_T
[16:16] <Nox_> WAIT
[16:16] <bipolar> Nox_:  But if you decide to go the VirtualBox route: https://www.lifewire.com/run-ubuntu-within-windows-virtualbox-2202098
[16:16] <Nox_> Idea!
[16:16] <Nox_> First, Bipolar, can VirtualBox run on a USB 16GB
[16:16] <nacc> Nox_: virtualbox is a virtualization technology
[16:16] <Nox_> Oh, so its on the HDD
[16:16] <Nox_> Nevermind then
[16:17] <Nox_> Second, With Ubuntu Live USB in, can I plug-in and use other USBs?
[16:17] <bipolar> Nox_: Yes, but it's completely isolated.
[16:17] <Nox_> :>
[16:17] <Nox_> So, I can just move the files I wanna keep to another USB inside Ubuntu
[16:17] <dina> can anybody tell the channel name for qt pls............
[16:17] <rumbler31> do I really need rEFIt in order to get my mac to boot an ubuntu install dvd or usb??
[16:18] <nacc> !alis | dina
[16:18] <bipolar> Nox_: my comment was about VirtualBox... it's completely isolated inside the virtual machine.
[16:18] <Nox_> Oh
[16:18] <bipolar> dina: #qt
[16:18] <Nox_> Well, I do not want anything to stay around, haha
[16:18] <Nox_> Just on the USB
[16:18] <dina> thnk you
[16:19] <bipolar> Nox_: Try http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/keep-portable-ubuntu-installation-wherever-go/
[16:19] <ducasse> Nox_: in that case just write the usb from the iso image
[16:20] <bipolar> Nox_: on the link I just shared, scroll down to 'A True Installation'. That's how I did it in the past.
[16:20] <Nox_> Hmm
[16:20] <Nox_> Bu that writes on HDD
[16:20] <Nox_> I just want a live USB for Ubuntu wherever I go
[16:21] <Nox_> Its very handy, since I can run servers as I need
[16:21] <bipolar> Nox_: No. When you install, chose the USB disk for it.
[16:21] <Nox_> ok
[16:21] <bipolar> Nox_: If you want to be extra careful you don't touch your windows install, disconnect your internal hard drive.
[16:21] <Nox_> Laptop
[16:22] <bipolar> Nox_: then the only disk that will show as available will be the USB drive.
[16:22] <Nox_> okay
[16:22] <bipolar> Nox_: Then be careful. :P
[16:22] <Nox_> Bipolar
[16:22] <Nox_> I want you to know, I am stubborn with reading stuff
[16:23] <Nox_> I am a hands-on person, meaning I like help
[16:23] <nacc> Nox_: so you're not going to read anything we suggest?
[16:23] <PipeItToDevNull> That is laziness, not hands-on
[16:23] <Nox_> I have!!
[16:23] <Nox_> >:(
[16:23] <Nox_> Listen
[16:23] <Nox_> I have read all of them
[16:23] <nacc> Nox_: just trying to understand what "stubborn with reading stuff" means
[16:23] <Nox_> I just do not understand
[16:23] <Nox_> OKAY
[16:24] <ducasse> Nox_: do you want things on the usb to survive a reboot or not?
[16:24] <nacc> Nox_: what don't you understand?
[16:24] <bipolar> Nox_: When you run the install, it's going to ask you where to install Ubuntu. Chose the USB disk.
[16:24] <Nox_> ducasse: I tried that
[16:24] <Nox_> I mean bipolar
[16:24] <PipeItToDevNull> Nox_, Then just make a persistence on the USB
[16:24] <bipolar> If you're installing from USB, you'll need *two* usb disks. One for the installation media, the other for the install target.
[16:24] <Nox_> I know
[16:24] <Nox_> I tried that
[16:25] <nacc> Nox_: and... ?
[16:25] <Nox_> But it did not work
[16:25] <OerHeks> maybe he has got an UEFI machine ..
[16:25] <Nox_> I do, Oer
[16:25] <OerHeks> decribe better why it does not work.
[16:25] <Nox_> I can't
[16:25] <bipolar> OerHeks: Nox_: that's possible.
[16:25] <Nox_> It just did not work
[16:25] <nacc> Nox_: it did not boot the installer? the installer crashed?
[16:25] <bipolar> Nox_: It didn't install or it didn't boot?
[16:25] <nacc> Nox_: if you cannot describe the problem, we cannot helpl
[16:25] <Nox_> Boot.
[16:26] <Nox_> Okay, its written on the SUB
[16:26] <Nox_> USB*
[16:26] <Nox_> What do I do not
[16:26] <bipolar> Nox_: what laptop do you have?
[16:26] <Nox_> Now*
[16:26] <ducasse> it didn't work because the esp will not be correct on the usb
[16:26] <Nox_> EliteBook Windows 10 Intel i7 Core
[16:26] <Nox_> Imma restart
[16:26] <Nox_> Be right back
[16:26] <bipolar> Nox_: see if the bios gives the option to boot via BIOS instead of UEFI. If it does, change it and see if you can boot from USB.
[16:27] <Nox_> I can boot from USB with ease
[16:27] <bipolar> Nox_: If it boots, then what's wrong?
[16:27] <nacc> Nox_: you just said it doesnt boot
[16:27] <Nox_> I know
[16:27] <nacc> Nox_: this is like pulling teeth right now
[16:27] <Nox_> I can boot it
[16:27] <Nox_> But I can not BOOT it
[16:27] <Nox_> *facepalms*
[16:27] <Nox_> I have the option it just does not work
[16:28] <Nox_> Be right back
[16:28] <bipolar> Nox_: Does it chose the USB to boot from, but then fail to load ubuntu?
[16:29] <elias_a> What reality is this channel on nowadays? "I can boot it" and "I can not BOOT it" both true?
[16:29] <elias_a> Post logical reality?
[16:29] <nacc> elias_a: presumably for differnet context (bios and grub)
[16:29] <bipolar> nacc: yep
[16:30] <nacc> elias_a: i agree it could be phrased better, but presumes some knowledge to do so
[16:30] <bipolar> elias_a: he doesn't know enough about the boot process to describe his issue accurately.
[16:31] <elias_a> Some support case... :O
[16:32] <bipolar> elias_a: I don't think he's 'cupholder is broken' level lol
[16:43] <rumbler31> using rufus on windows was the only way to create a bootable usb stick
[16:43] <rumbler31> no mac tool could do it
[16:45] <Southern_Gentlem> rumbler31, or the Fedora media Tool or dd on a mac
[16:47] <Nox_> Back!
[16:47] <Nox_> so, it works.
[16:47] <Nox_> Now, I let it finish installing, and see what happens.
[16:47] <Nox_> Thanks everyone for the help
[16:47] <bubbely> anyone know a good audio programming channel
[16:48] <Pici> bubbely: #ubuntustudio might be a good place to start
[16:49] <bubbely> hmm
[16:49] <bubbely> ok
[16:49] <bubbely>  i need to know what format to sendData() to my bluetooth device for it to play audio if its a speaker.. maybe someone here knos ?
[16:49] <rumbler31> southern_gentlem: dd on mac did not work
[16:52] <OerHeks> bubbely, maybe  A2DP
[16:55] <OerHeks> install blueman, better control over your devices http://askubuntu.com/a/836202
[17:10] <fuat> ssss
[17:23] <AppAraat> hello, is setting /etc/hostname to blank a bad idea? I don't want to send my hostname when connecting to networks.
[17:25] <nicomachus> AppAraat: are you worried about just IRC?
[17:25] <genii> hostname can't be blank
[17:25] <AppAraat> nicomachus: no, mostly connecting to untrusted APs
[17:26] <ducasse> AppAraat: then set it to something that doesn't matter if it's sent
[17:27] <AppAraat> genii: ah, that might explain why when offline I had this interesting issue: https://bpaste.net/show/94c7c52bd018
[17:27] <davicombz> hello every body
[17:27] <AppAraat> ducasse: in that case I have to randomize hostname every time I connect to different APs
[17:29] <ducasse> AppAraat: why on earth would you care if an ap knows your hostname is 'foo'?
[17:29] <nacc> yeah, i don't follow either, it's more work than it seems worth
[17:29] <nacc> they still have your IP (given that you are using the AP)
[17:29] <AppAraat> the IP is assigned by the networks' DHCP
[17:30] <nacc> and you're connected to the network over the API
[17:30] <nacc> *AP
[17:30] <AppAraat> usually before I connect to a public wifi AP, I randomize my MAC address, so AP can only identify me by my hostname (which has been the same over time)
[17:31] <AppAraat> if I randomize my hostname (or better, not send it at all) then there is next to no identifying information
[17:31] <compdoc> you should be safe then
[17:31] <ducasse> this smells of excessive paranoia
[17:32] <AppAraat> or just preventative measures. If I would run a public wifi network, I could datamine it and correlate it with other data.
[17:32] <AppAraat> and these days, there is no such thing as excessive paranoia.
[17:32] <ducasse> yes, there really is. this might not be it, but there is.
[17:33] <AppAraat> there was, and those people were called paranoid. Then the leaks happened and apparently they were right all along.
[17:35]  * ducasse walks away
[17:36] <AppAraat> probably a good idea
[17:36] <truelean> Hi, I'm running 16.04.2 LTS and I recently installed 4.8 kernel upgrade. Works fine, no issues, I was just surprised today after 'running apt upgrade' when I saw that 4.4 kernel packages are being downloaded
[17:36] <truelean> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[17:36] <truelean>   linux-headers-4.4.0-70 linux-headers-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-70-generic linux-signed-image-4.4.0-70-generic
[17:36] <truelean> The following packages will be upgraded:
[17:36] <truelean>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-libc-dev linux-signed-generic linux-signed-image-generic
[17:37] <nacc> truelean: you probably still have the linux-image-generic pacakge installed
[17:37] <nacc> truelean: which means you want the 16.04.1 kernel
[17:37] <nacc> truelean: if you *only* want the hwe kernel, you can remove the non-hwe metapackages
[17:37] <nacc> truelean: but i would not necessarily recommend that (given that hwe is rolling now and you'll auto update when 16.04.3 is available)
[17:37] <nacc> truelean: it's good to have a stable fallback
[17:38] <truelean> nacc okay, so it's safe to leave it as-is
[17:39] <nacc> truelean: yes
[17:48] <damiano> hello everybody
[17:48] <damiano> guys i have 15.04 i would like to pass to 16.04 but the upgrading from 15.04 to 16.04 is not supported
[17:48] <damiano> how can i upgrade it without a new installation
[17:49] <nacc> !eolupgrade | damiano
[17:49] <OerHeks> old-releases trick, but you would go from 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 ..
[17:49] <ducasse> damiano: go via 15.10, follow directions ubottu gave you
[17:49] <damiano> ok so 15.10 and then 16.04
[17:49] <damiano> ok
[17:50] <rts-sander> why do they number it .04 and .10
[17:50] <xangua> rts-sander: month
[17:50] <damiano> april october
[17:51] <rts-sander> ah interesting
[17:56] <theShirbiny> Hi, running add-apt-repository -y ppa:ondrej/php is giving me
[17:56] <theShirbiny> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:ondrej/php'.
[17:56] <theShirbiny> Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[17:57] <nacc> theShirbiny: looks to be some timeouts iwth lp right ow
[17:57] <nacc> *now
[17:57] <theShirbiny> thank you nacc
[17:57] <theShirbiny> nacc: any status page i can check?
[17:57] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[17:58] <nacc> theShirbiny: it worked for me on refresh, i'd retry
[17:59] <OerHeks> depends what version you are on, it has no zesty packages
[17:59] <theShirbiny> i'm on 14.04
[17:59] <theShirbiny> it's a docker container
[18:00] <tryingthis> I have to use webchat... my irc clients don't work
[18:00] <tryingthis> I use 16.10 and I am trying to figure out why every page I open (except from google.com) are 'connection not secure'
[18:00] <tryingthis> can anyone help?
[18:01] <tryingthis> most solutions I googled - were with Windows
[18:01] <CarlFK> tryingthis:  https is secure, http is not.    FF is just warning you.
[18:02] <tryingthis> oops, I'm using 16.04
[18:02] <tryingthis> CarlFK: it's with every page
[18:02] <TheOneMenzie> tryingthis: Are you all up to date?
[18:02] <tryingthis> and I was inserting 'https' but it doesn't work all the time - some pages still don't open
[18:03] <CarlFK> not all servers do https
[18:03] <tryingthis> TheOneMenzie: what do you mean?
[18:03] <OerHeks> give an example?
[18:03] <tryingthis> apt-get update  - you mean?
[18:03] <Zewwy> Whats the replacement for screen/irssi
[18:03] <nacc> Zewwy: why replace it?
[18:03] <TheOneMenzie> tryingthis: [ sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ]
[18:03]  * aywchnf ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ aladeen: EMERSON IS TRYING TO RAPE MY ASS!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[18:03] <CarlFK> tryingthis: https://www.ubuntu.com does that say "not secure" ?
[18:03] <nacc> Zewwy: there are alternatives, but both are still quite heavily used
[18:03] <Zewwy> nacc, just heard there was a better stuff out, liek to try it
[18:03] <Zewwy> not really replace
[18:04] <nacc> Zewwy: tmux for screen or byobu, maybe?
[18:04] <OerHeks> clear your ~/.config/<browser> and restart your browser
[18:04] <Zewwy> but better irc client anyway, multiple channels at once, etc
[18:04] <Zewwy> yes
[18:04] <AppAraat> genii: in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, is 'send host-name = "";' supported instead of 'send host-name = gethostname();'
[18:04] <Zewwy> that was it thanks
[18:04] <nacc> Zewwy: as to IRC clients, irssi can do all that
[18:04]  * ihsaoq ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ Afrix: EMERSON IS TRYING TO RAPE MY ASS!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[18:04]  * ibsmybw ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ marenz: EMERSON IS TRYING TO RAPE MY ASS!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[18:04] <ducasse> Zewwy: try weechat if you want an alternative
[18:04] <Zewwy> How can you have to actiuve channel on iRSSI?
[18:04] <Zewwy> I have to ESC + arrows
[18:04] <tryingthis> www.ubuntu.com is secure
[18:05] <nacc> Zewwy: esc + A or ctrl + A
[18:05] <tryingthis> but many other sites, forums etc. have the 'unsecure'
[18:05] <nacc> Zewwy: err, alt + A (sorry)
[18:05] <AppAraat> tryingthis: try HTTPS Everywhere browser extension made by EFF
[18:05] <Zewwy> thats teh same as ESC + arrow
[18:05] <nacc> Zewwy: huh?
[18:06] <CarlFK> tryingthis: many sites are not secure.
[18:06] <nacc> Zewwy: no, it's not
[18:06] <AppAraat> tryingthis: but if pages don't have SSL versions of themselves then there's not much you can do
[18:06] <Zewwy> ALT + arrow, or esx + Arrows
[18:06] <Zewwy> switchs channel
[18:06] <nacc> Zewwy: neither of which is what I said
[18:06] <Zewwy> but not two active cahnnels displayed at teh same time
[18:06] <nacc> Zewwy: you mean you want to split the window?
[18:06] <Zewwy> Alt + A does the same thing as ALT + right arrow
[18:06] <Zewwy> yes
[18:06] <nacc> Zewwy: no, it does not
[18:06] <Zewwy> exactly
[18:06] <Zewwy> that was what I was getting at
[18:07] <nacc> Zewwy: alt + a goes to the active channel
[18:07] <nacc> *an active channel
[18:07] <Zewwy> i have a lot of active channels :P
[18:07] <nacc> Zewwy: right, that's not my problem :)
[18:07] <nacc> Zewwy: also, you can probably ask for help in the irssi channel at this point
[18:07] <Zewwy> ;) tmux was it thanks again haha
[18:07] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[18:08] <tryingthis> CarlFK:  yes, I know but
[18:08] <zzo38> How do I determine what is wrong with a package?
[18:08] <tryingthis> computer froze... I am doing the update and upgrade suggested by someone here
[18:08] <ducasse> tryingthis: which browser is this?
[18:08] <nacc> zzo38: what do you mean?
[18:08] <tryingthis> CarlFK:  I know many sites are unsecure but I cannot access these sites right now
[18:08] <tryingthis> and I am registered to one in particular I want access to
[18:09] <zzo38> There is something wrong with the package libasound2:386 but I don't know what is wrong with it. How do I found out what is wrong with it?
[18:09] <tryingthis> also I cannot use irc clients... and connect...that's problem #2 after I fix this one :)
[18:10] <CarlFK> tryingthis: you should give details of 1 problem .. like what site, what happens...
[18:10] <nacc> zzo38: how do you know? what is the problem?
[18:10] <ducasse> tryingthis: is this only a browser problem, or do it affect other programs as well?
[18:10] <zzo38> O nevermind I found out; apparently the problem is:  './usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf' is different from the same file on the system  How do I figure out what the differences are so that I can resolve this manually?
[18:11] <zzo38> (I am trying to install a 32-bit package)
[18:11] <nacc> zzo38: how did you find that out?
[18:11] <nacc> zzo38: oh you are manually tryign to install a 32-bit package?
[18:11] <nacc> zzo38: use a pastebin, give exact command run and exact output
[18:11] <Zewwy> package not available in the stardard repos?
[18:12] <tryingthis> CarlFK:  e.g. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/
[18:12] <tryingthis> in either firefox or chrome...
[18:12] <CarlFK> tryingthis: that is not https
[18:12] <tryingthis> the symbol for 'unsecure' is there
[18:12] <OerHeks> tryingthis, clear your ~/.config/<browser> and restart your browser
[18:13] <zzo38> When I went into aptitude and then I found that it is pending install that package. And then, that is the error message displayed when I pushed "g"
[18:13] <Zewwy> incong mode
[18:14] <zzo38> Here is the full message:   http://sprunge.us/dGLK
[18:15] <tryingthis> how?
[18:15] <zzo38> How do I force it to install despite the file is different? Before doing so though, I would want to check what is the difference, in case there is anything in that file that I need to change at first.
[18:16] <OerHeks> zzo38, that is an old package, did you run updates first??
[18:16] <nacc> zzo38: you would need to download the package and extract it (say in /tmp) and then compare it's alsa.conf to your system one
[18:16] <nacc> zzo38: you are on 12.04/
[18:16] <nacc> ?
[18:17] <Bashing-om> !info libsdl1.2debian:i386 xenial | zzo38
[18:17] <OerHeks> precise gets another 10 days support, 8th april
[18:17] <zzo38> But after comparing the file, how do I tell it to ignore that error, and install anyways without overwriting that file?
[18:19] <nacc> zzo38: what package currently owns that file?
[18:19] <nacc> Bashing-om: 'libsdl1.2debian'
[18:19] <nacc> Bashing-om: didn't realize ubottu can't process the : arch selection:)
[18:20] <tryingthis> I forget how to do this... :(   -> "lear your ~/.config/<browser> and restart your browser"
[18:20] <zzo38> nacc: How do I determine that?
[18:20] <nacc> zzo38: dpkg -S /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[18:20] <zzo38> OK thanks
[18:21] <zzo38> libasound2 currently owns it
[18:21] <Bashing-om> nacc: Lot;s O too have yet to learn .. but apt also says no ! " apt list libsdl1.2debian:i386 >> Listing... Done" . No candidate found .
[18:21] <nacc> Bashing-om: funny, rmadison shows it
[18:22] <nacc> Bashing-om: maybe try '-a i386' ?
[18:22] <Bashing-om> nacc: Good tool ! I am looking from xenial .
[18:22] <nacc> Bashing-om: but that probably only works if you hve a local apt cache for it
[18:23] <nacc> Bashing-om: `rmadison libsdl1.2debian -s xenial`
[18:23] <zzo38> nacc: Now what do I do?
[18:23] <theShirbiny> still getting the same error :(
[18:23] <theShirbiny> Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[18:23] <nacc> Bashing-om: but note that will only show you the release pocket, not -updates, -proposed, etc.
[18:23] <nacc> zzo38: why do you want to install the 32-bit version?
[18:26] <nacc> OerHeks: fyi, 12.04 goes eol on april 28 not april 1
[18:26] <nacc> OerHeks: per the announce email
[18:28] <brunch875> finally eol
[18:28] <brunch875> we still have 12.04 in college
[18:31] <OerHeks> nacc oh, i must have read it wrong, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-March/003777.html
[18:31] <nacc> OerHeks: np, just fyi
[18:35] <tryingthis> so I cannot access pages that are insecure?
[18:36] <theShirbiny> nacc: restarting docker fixed the issue thank you
[18:36] <nacc> theShirbiny: strange, but ok :)
[18:36] <theShirbiny> yeah, very strange, i haven't changed any runtime variables
[18:36] <mtx> Algum BR ?
[18:37] <theShirbiny> wasted about 2 hours :(
[18:37] <zzo38> nacc: I want to install the 32-bit version so that I can install a 32-bit package that depends on it (as the pasted error message shows).
[18:37] <nacc> zzo38: ok, why do you want the 32-bit version of that package?
[18:37] <zzo38> (That package is only available 32-bits version)
[18:38] <nacc> zzo38: so it's non-ubuntu package?
[18:38] <ducasse> tryingthis: one more time, is this just a browser problem or does it affect other software? and which browser?
[18:38] <zzo38> Yes, it is an external package.
[18:38] <Migri> quit
[18:38] <nacc> zzo38: it sounds like you would have to 'break' packages to install it. I woudl suggest using a VM / container or something
[18:42] <tryingthis> ducasse:  affects both firefox and chrome
[18:42] <tryingthis> firefox 52.0.1
[18:43] <zzo38> I found the difference; some of the lines for speakers that I do not have are commented out in my version, which the other version does not have. So, I just want it to ignore that error and install it anyways and just omit that file when installing.
[18:43] <tryingthis> Chrome 57
[18:43] <ducasse> tryingthis: you said something about irc clients not working, do they show the same problem?
[18:43] <tryingthis> I had XChat
[18:44] <tryingthis> but, now, I have Konversation and HexChat but I cannot connect to a channel with these
[18:44] <nacc> zzo38: you can't (generally), but read `man dpkg` and the --force section
[18:44] <zzo38> The command I used to check the difference is:   diff <(7z e -so libasound2_1.0.25-1ubuntu10.2_i386.deb | tar xO ./usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf) /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf   Probably there is a better way than using 7-Zip, although I didn't bother to figure it out. But just to know for future, what is that other way?
[18:44] <tryingthis> I'm using Webchat right now
[18:45] <tryingthis> is that why I cannot connect with them?  security?
[18:45] <ducasse> tryingthis: try running 'sudo update-ca-certificates'
[18:46] <tryingthis> okay?
[18:46] <tryingthis> done
[18:46] <tryingthis> what do I try now? :)
[18:46] <ducasse> restart the browser and see if that makes a difference.
[18:46] <tryingthis> updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done. Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d.
[18:47] <zzo38> nacc: I read it, and do not know what to do.
[18:47] <ducasse> tryingthis: ok, also try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates'
[18:47] <nacc> zzo38: you would need to (i think) --force-conflicts, but it will use the version from thepackage
[18:49] <zzo38> Will it work to rename the file and then to overwrite it with the old one after it is installed (or to just make those changes manually (since the changes to make are simple))?
[18:50] <nacc> zzo38: presumably
[18:51] <tryingthis> ducasse:  okay, done
[18:51] <ducasse> tryingthis: now restart the browser
[18:51] <tryingthis> okay
[18:53] <zzo38> Well, it worked.
[18:53] <flo_> hello to everyone. i just installed kubuntu on a chuwi lapbook 14 and everithing works like a charm except the touchpad wich is detected as a mouse. everything works even gestures but it isn't disabled during typing so i get random clicks because of that
[18:53] <zzo38> Still, I wonder if there is a better way than using 7-Zip to compare the files like I did.
[19:00] <guest_new> I'm searchin a channel with knoweledge of pyton souce codes
[19:00] <nacc> !alis | guest_new
[19:00] <tryingthis> no change :(
[19:02] <guest_new> thanks ubottu
[19:14] <zeroeax> is it bad to run an httpd and a postfix/dovecot setup on the same server/FQDN?
[19:15] <Southern_Gentlem> why would it
[19:15] <zeroeax> Southern_Gentlem, I don't know, I was asked to make sure, since every dovecot/postfix guide and blog and info recommends running your mail server not on the same system as your main system
[19:15] <zeroeax> or at least with virtual hosts
[19:16] <zeroeax> *was asked = just asked
[19:16] <ioria> zeroeax,  and how do you run squirrelmail ?
[19:18] <tryingthis> does that happen with anyone else here?
[19:18] <tryingthis> is it a big risk to log in to insecure site?
[19:19] <ioria> tryingthis, yes
[19:19] <Southern_Gentlem> zeroeax,  i agree more separation the better but most people only have the one server
[19:20] <tryingthis> ioria: how can I log in then?
[19:20] <ioria> zeroeax,  you don't
[19:20] <zeroeax> I don't run squirrlemail
[19:20] <zeroeax> I don't want web based mail
[19:21] <zeroeax> I want imaps/smtps
[19:22]  * hyeegct ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ squinty: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22] -zfrwsp:#ubuntu- ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ gregl: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22] <ylacfe> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ moms: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22] -ylacfe:#ubuntu- ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ olli_: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22]  * ylacfe ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ mgottschlag: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22]  * rkmhvfih ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ zeroeax: EMERSON STOP FUCKING ME!!!  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[19:22] <nicomachus> !ops
[19:23] <Waggie> nicomachus, i think they are already on it.
[19:23] <nicomachus> Waggie: just making sure. They usually yell at me if I'm pestering them. k1l_ doesn't yell, though, he's nice.
[19:36] <blackflow> Is something wrong with the scheduler in the 4.8 kernel? dd-ing the ZZ beta image to an USB stick grinds the interactivity of the computer to a halt (i5-4460, 8GB of RAM)
[19:37] <nicomachus> blackflow: try asking in #ubuntu+1 for anything ZZ
[19:37] <blackflow> nicomachus: I'm on 16.10
[19:37] <nacc> 4.8 is in 16.10 and 16.04.2 (iirc)
[19:38] <nacc> blackflow: you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel too (and does the problem also happen with 4.4?)
[19:38] <k1l_> blackflow: could be some issue with the usb.
[19:39] <blackflow> k1l_: well, if there is, it's not logged by dmesg
[19:40] <ioria> blackflow, you mean dd not working with Zesty ?
[19:40] <merpnderp> Are Ubuntu phones going through a redesign or something? Why are they always sold out? https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile/devices
[19:41] <blackflow> ioria: I don't. I'm dding the zesty beta image to usb on 16.10, and while it's running the computer is nonresponsive, audio severely stutters (was playing something on youtube)
[19:41] <genii> merpnderp: A better channel to ask in would be #ubuntu-touch
[19:41] <nicomachus> merpnderp: not really a question for this channel... you can try #ubuntu-touch but even there is iffy
[19:41] <merpnderp> thanks :)
[19:42] <ioria> blackflow, i see, thanx
[19:42] <blackflow> and, re-running the dd with nice -n 19 keeps the computer normally usable
[19:42] <blackflow> (so I doubt it's USB)
[20:28] <rsevero> Hi, I just upgraded a station from 16.04 to 16.10. I use ldap authentication on this machine. On 16.04 I define the ldap authentication server by name in /etc/ldap.conf. In 16.10 I have to set the authentication server by IP otherwise I get stuck on the graphical window never seeing the login prompt. Ideias?
[20:30] <rsevero> I believe that this issue is related to systemctl boot up wrong ordering modules. But I couldn't find which modules would affect this issue.
[20:35] <Osirus126> hello everyone, i am in need of some advice. I am using KDE Neon and when i update my system using apt, it says i have updated to the latest version of the kernel which i think is 4.4.0-70-generic. Now when i reboot my system and check what version of the kernel i am running with "uname -r" i get  4.8.0-44-generic. i think it is an issue with the default kernel in grub. when i run sudo update-grub2 it finds all installed versions of the
[20:35] <Osirus126> kernel but does not set the newest one to the default. can anyone help?
[20:36] <nacc> Osirus126: 4.8.0-44 is 'newer' than 4.4.0-70
[20:36] <nacc> !hwe | Osirus126
[20:37] <Osirus126> lmao i feel like a dum dum. i wasnt paying attension.. thought it was all 4.4.*
[20:37] <nacc> rsevero: if you login, are you able to resolve the hostname in question?
[20:40] <nacc> Osirus126: np :)
[20:47] <PCatinean> Can I please get some help with my internet connection issue? I'm going mad
[20:50] <nacc> PCatinean: i don't see your issue in the backscroll, can you summarize?
[20:50] <robotics_flo> hello to everyone. i just installed kubuntu on a chuwi lapbook 14 and everithing works like a charm except the touchpad wich is detected as a mouse. everything works even gestures but it isn't disabled during typing so i get random clicks because of that. can someone help me please?
[20:51] <OerHeks> robotics_flo, have you tried the #kubuntu channel too?
[20:56] <robotics_flo> @OerHeks trying right now...tbh this is the first time i try kubuntu. i've always been a unity user
[20:57] <PCatinean> nacc, sure. Every 7-10 minutes my wireless connection just drops
[20:57] <PCatinean> Takes about 10 seconds or so and comes back up
[20:57] <PCatinean> In windows I did not notice this hapenning and my phone always works
[20:57] <PCatinean> on the same network
[20:57] <PCatinean> and it's driving me crazy, closing my ssh connections it's extremely irritating
[20:58] <k1l_> PCatinean: what do the logs say?
[20:58] <PCatinean> k1l_, syslog?
[20:58] <k1l_> or dmesg, yes
[20:59] <PCatinean> I only see this so far: Mar 27 22:53:38 wiz-ubuntu kernel: [ 9116.963489] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 2 failed to flush
[20:59] <PCatinean> I'll leave it open maybe something pops up when it happens again
[20:59] <PCatinean> k1l_, this came up: https://hastebin.com/coyopecamu.pas
[21:05] <k1l_> PCatinean: cna you show "lspci" please?
[21:06] <PCatinean> k1l_, https://hastebin.com/lusobojiku.go
[21:08] <k1l_> PCatinean: tkip seems to make issues there. can you set your router to use wpa2 aes?
[21:09] <PCatinean> not sure what that means, but why only on ubuntu k1l_ ? and not sure I can set the router, I'm in an airbnb home :))
[21:09] <k1l_> PCatinean: because the manufacturers still ship crappy drivers for linux.
[21:10] <EldonMcGuinness> Sounds like you need to bouycot the device maker.
[21:10] <PCatinean> strange it worked beforein 14.04 without a problem, since upgrade to 16.04.02 I had issues with two routers so far :(
[21:10] <PCatinean> Arn't there opensource alternatives or?
[21:11] <EldonMcGuinness> Wait, it worked fine in 14.04, then not in 16.04? Does the same drive no longer apply for some reason?
[21:11]  * EldonMcGuinness Can't wait for Ubuntu-Gnome to update to Gnome 3.24
[21:12] <PCatinean> I have...no idea
[21:13] <PCatinean> k1l_, apparently I got in the router
[21:13] <EldonMcGuinness> That really sounds fishy
[21:13] <PCatinean> admin admin user and pass :(
[21:13] <EldonMcGuinness> rofl
[21:14] <PCatinean> XD
[21:14] <PCatinean> I can set the bandwidth but not the encryption
[21:14] <EldonMcGuinness> If it is a linksys router you should see if Advanced Tomato is available for it :P Do the chap a favour
[21:15] <EldonMcGuinness> Hell even if it is not you should check heh
[21:15] <saeron> hi there
[21:15] <EldonMcGuinness> o/ saeron
[21:15] <k1l_> looks like a very common issue with that ralink chip. i just find self compile instructions for recent drivers for that chip
[21:15] <saeron> i am having some inssues whit compiz in the las update of 16.04, is taking a lot of resources
[21:16] <PCatinean> wait found it
[21:16] <saeron> some one know for what?
[21:16] <PCatinean> do the chap a favour haha =))
[21:16]  * PCatinean lols
[21:16] <saeron> there is some fast fix cauze my laptop can holding
[21:16] <PCatinean> So it's TKIP + AES
[21:16] <PCatinean> I shoud change just to AES?
[21:16] <k1l_> yes
[21:17] <PCatinean> isn't it less secure? :-s
[21:17] <EldonMcGuinness> Could it be your laptop drivers are not installed or supported? That would make all the rendering done by the CPU instead of the GPU.
[21:17] <EldonMcGuinness> saeron: ^
[21:18] <EldonMcGuinness> saeron: Display drivers that is
[21:18] <k1l_> sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1630459  but that user gave up too early
[21:18] <saeron> EldonMcGuinness: are you sure i am using intel drivers
[21:19] <EldonMcGuinness> What model? I have an intel driven laptop that runs like arse due to close source drivers
[21:19] <saeron> mmm
[21:19] <saeron> 4000 i think
[21:19] <EldonMcGuinness> I think the one I have is an intel 3500
[21:19] <saeron> EldonMcGuinness: 4000 i think, there is a solution?
[21:20] <zeroeax> I have an intel 5000 graphics in my broadwell i5 and it runs great with the non-free drivers
[21:20] <EldonMcGuinness> but yea, it can not even run windows 10 due to it
[21:20] <k1l_> intel drivers are shippen in the kernel.
[21:20] <k1l_> *shipped
[21:20] <EldonMcGuinness> You will have to do some looking, but not all drivers work, it just depends on the HW
[21:20] <zeroeax> I have a netbook with an underclocked 3500(because it's passive with no cooling so it can't handle full clock) and it's pretty basic
[21:21] <zeroeax> but it's underclocked by like 2/3
[21:21] <saeron> EldonMcGuinness: so i have to install the privative drivers?
[21:21] <EldonMcGuinness> You can try, see what happens
[21:22] <saeron> well there is a new update i will install and try, hopefully will solve else i will try the drivers ......
[21:22] <Krenair> Hi
[21:22] <zeroeax> Intel GPU's are pretty good if you're not buying the lowest end one
[21:22] <zeroeax> Perfect for non-gaming usage with minimal 3d
[21:22] <Krenair> I've got some problem with graphical issues around windows, running unity on xenial
[21:22] <Krenair> http://imgur.com/CeVKKMQ
[21:23] <Krenair> appears around chrome's notification popups too
[21:23] <EldonMcGuinness> In my case there is not a fix as it is an intel vs the manufacturer issue
[21:23] <k1l_> Krenair: looks like video driver issues
[21:23] <zeroeax> I use my intel graphics on my laptop 99% of the time it's on, I only switch to the nVidia gpu for like 20 minutes a day to play civ6
[21:23] <EldonMcGuinness> Both are claiming the other is responsible and neither will do anything
[21:23] <EldonMcGuinness> So it just sits with windows 7 one it
[21:23] <EldonMcGuinness> *on it
[21:24] <Krenair> k1l_, hmm... this used to be ok
[21:24] <k1l_> Krenair: what video card is it?
[21:24] <Krenair> I seem to be on the nvidia GM108M [GeForce 940MX] driver
[21:25] <Krenair> 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 940MX] (rev a2)
[21:25] <Krenair> from lspci
[21:25] <EldonMcGuinness> Chrome is a whole other set of issues, it has flickering issue for me unless I disable GPU rendering
[21:25] <k1l_> Krenair: worth looking at Xorg.0.log in /var/log
[21:28] <saeron> mm its lock the bad proble come when i try to play video on youtube
[21:28] <saeron> the update dint solve
[21:28] <saeron> :(
[21:29] <EldonMcGuinness> yea, def sounds like a GPU driver issue
[21:29] <Krenair> k1l_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24263340/
[21:31] <robotics_flo> can someone help me with troublshooting a touchpad witch is detected as a mouse? everithing works , even gestures like zoom but when i type on the keyboard it doesn,t disable it so i get random clocks
[21:31] <robotics_flo> clicks
[21:32] <Krenair> the graphical problem also occurs around right click menus
[21:33] <k1l_> Krenair: hmm, i dont see related issues so far.
[21:33] <Krenair> yeah, not being very familiar with Xorg internals, nothing in here really stood out to me
[21:34] <k1l_> Krenair: the 375 driver is pretty recent (for the lts). you could try the !hwe kernel (that is the 4.8 kernel and xorg from the 16.10 install) and see if that works better.
[21:35] <blackflow> Krenair: it's a known bug
[21:35] <Krenair> alex@alex-laptop:~$ uname -a
[21:35] <Krenair> Linux alex-laptop 4.4.0-66-generic #87-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 3 15:29:05 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:36] <blackflow> Krenair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-375/+bug/1667158
[21:36] <Krenair> I think I messed around with kernel versions at some point
[21:36] <Krenair> ah
[21:36] <Krenair> Yes, I have definitely done suspend/resume
[21:36] <Krenair> Thanks blackflow
[21:36] <blackflow> Krenair: if you have a launchpad account, please mark it as affecting you too
[21:37] <Krenair> just did that
[21:37] <Krenair> open for a month, ouch
[21:39] <saeron> men where still are this kind of bugs in a lts version from the last year
[21:41] <saeron> woo i am already using the privative drivers
[21:41] <saeron> ubuntu make this by default?
[21:43] <PCatinean> k1l_, they are still hapening even after changing the router encryption
[21:43] <PCatinean> no bueno :(
[21:48] <saeron> this is begining to be painfull
[21:48] <saeron> i will have to install the nvidia grapics in the laptop ... shit
[21:49] <elias_a> What language are we using now?
[21:49] <saeron> mmm i dont think so, i hope in this week we get an update who solve it, o i just move to othre sistem :(
[21:49] <elias_a> Crapleingsh?
[21:50] <saeron> english is not my native laguague, sorry mr perfect
[21:54] <elias_a> I'd just like to add that English is my 2nd best foreign language.
[21:55] <nacc> elias_a: there's no reason to be rude, and the side commentary is also offtopic
[21:55] <elias_a> nacc: How do you support someone you don't understand?
[21:56] <nacc> elias_a: you ask for clarification.
[21:56] <nacc> elias_a: and you're not supporting anyone, afaict.
[21:56] <elias_a> nacc: I could have supported if I would even have understood the context.
[21:58] <nacc> elias_a: the point is, rather than ask for clarification, you made an undirected comment and then added an insult (don't attempt to claim that "Crapleingsh" wasn't meant to be a compliment). And if you don't understand, and are not going to bother to try to understand, don't comment at all. It's easy.
[21:58] <elias_a> nacc: You are quite right in that.
[21:59] <bubbely> are bluetooth headsets  supported by ubuntu
[21:59] <elias_a> I've actually seen pretty much enough of this.
[22:00] <elias_a> Take care all of you. I'll concentrate on real life hacking in the sense that is not supported in this channel.
[22:00] <nacc> bubbely: yes
[22:01] <bubbely> maybe i can find a programmer to help me with my situation.. i want to use my own code to output to a bluetooth device using write() i just don't know in what format i must output it for the audio to play from my speaker
[22:01] <nacc> bubbely: sometimes they don't connect correctly at all times, but they do work
[22:01] <nacc> bubbely: why would you want to do that?
[22:02] <nacc> bubbely: and that is offtopic for this channel, maybe search for a channel about programming
[22:02] <nacc> !alis | bubbely
[22:02] <bubbely> nacc: im trying to write an android app to support more than one bluetooth playback device... ie , 2 wireless speakers
[22:02] <nacc> bubbely: that seems to be more a limitation of bluetooth than software (pairing model)
[22:02] <bubbely> nacc: it's possible though...
[22:03] <bubbely> nacc: it's just that android only supports one a2dp connection at a time, so i need to go around their method with my own
[22:04] <mchelen2> bubbely: try #android-dev
[22:04] <nacc> bubbely: ok, still offtopic then :)
[22:04] <bubbely> mchelen2: no legit answers
[22:04] <nacc> bubbely: doesn't make it 'legit' to ask here :/
[22:05] <bubbely> =(
[22:05] <bubbely> ok
[22:07] <mchelen2> bubbely: as with anywhere on irc, be patient, stick around, do your research, etc.
[22:07] <mustachiod_man> hello
[22:08] <mustachiod_man> my name is frank
[22:09] <demorfc1> join #louisvillebookstorecommunity
[22:15] <viju> Hi, SD card is not automounted on ubuntu 16. How do I do that?
[22:15] <nemesys> everybody install arch linux and feel the matrix
[22:17] <nacc> !ot | nemesys
[22:18] <nemesys> nacc o/
[22:27] <DiscountMilk> why wont my distro of ubuntu (Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS) acecpt ipv6 router advertisements by default? ive turned off forwarding and enabled accept_ra in sysctl and im not sure where to go from here :-\
[22:30] <zuiss1> does minitube in ubuntu work for anyone?
[22:34] <Delvien> zuiss1: gonna try right now
[22:34] <zuiss1> Delvien: thanks!
[22:38] <Delvien> zuiss1: man thats alot of dependencies :/
[22:39] <_dnb_> hey quick question for udev rule gurus... Trying to do some magic with ENV vars, storing a list of USB vendors and another with models, and trying to write a rule like: ACTION=="add", ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}=="$env{myVendors}", ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}=="$env{myModels}", RUN+="someScript.sh"
[22:39] <_dnb_> works if I use the strings explicitly instead of the $env{} substitutions, but this list will grow quite a bit, and it'd be nice to have it cleaner
[22:39] <zuiss1> Delvien: no problem don't worry about it
[22:40] <nacc> _dnb_: what guarantees that your varibles are defined in the environment in which udev runs?
[22:40] <Delvien> zuiss1: well the deb from their website is borked, so not sure what to tell you
[22:40] <_dnb_> nacc, they're defined IN the udev rule
[22:41] <_dnb_> (file)
[22:41] <Delvien> zuiss1: it complains about not being built with the required API, then refers you to download the same deb... that isnt built with the API lol
[22:41] <nacc> _dnb_: you mean you are defining a shell variable in the rule file?
[22:41] <nacc> _dnb_: it helps to pastebin the exact file
[22:42] <_dnb_> yeah i'm trying to get all the nda-able items out, 1 sec
[22:42] <nacc> _dnb_: ack
[22:43] <_dnb_> @nacc https://pastebin.com/raw/3N3DVNcd
[22:44] <Sargun> Is anyone "backporting" (building) versions of systemd for ubuntu LTS
[22:45] <_dnb_> nacc: udev monitor shows the env vars set on usb insert, but never runs my script.. if i use the explicit strings in place of the $env sub, it works as expected.. just feels gross growing a string mid-rule over time
[22:47] <zuiss1> Delvien: lol yea seems messed up
[22:53] <nacc> _dnb_: i don't think ENV and $env are the same thing
[22:54] <nacc> _dnb_: ENV is a udev internal value, $env is (appears to be) a  shell variable
[22:55] <doebi> since yesterday i got fancy white noise graphics bug around all my windows in unity
[22:55] <_dnb_> well instead of RUN+="myScript.sh" I can do echo $env{myVendors} > /tmp/junk and it outputs what i expect... so it is in essence the same namespace, and it is available in my shell after running the udev rule as an env var? And as best info as i can find indicate they are one in the same, one is for assignment ,and one is for reference
[22:56] <nacc> _dnb_: in the man page there is no reference to $env, only ENV{key}
[22:57] <nacc> _dnb_: and I don't know udev internals enough to know that hte parser understand that for ENV matching (shell variables)
[22:58] <doebi> http://i.imgur.com/BkWd84l.png
[22:58] <_dnb_> i see $env in the manpage https://linux.die.net/man/7/udev
[22:58] <nacc> _dnb_: oh sorry, bad grep
[23:00] <nacc> _dnb_: in nay case, it does not say the ENV field supports it
[23:00] <nacc> _dnb_: the manpage says "The NAME, SYMLINK, PROGRAM, OWNER, GROUP, MODE, SECLABEL, and RUN fields support..."
[23:01] <_dnb_> hmmmmmmm good catch
[23:01] <_dnb_> well doesn't that suck
[23:01] <nacc> _dnb_: probably worth asking udev upstream as to how this should be done
[23:02] <_dnb_> i have an idea, gonna try an IMPORT{program}="cat hardware.txt" where hardware.txt has the list of env vars defined from a service
[23:03] <nacc> _dnb_: ah that does seem like it might do it
[23:03] <_dnb_> wellll actually nvm, i'd still need to use $env substitution to compare...
[23:03] <_dnb_> damnit!
[23:07] <Guest10933> I am struggling to install weechat from the command line
[23:08] <wedgie> Guest10933: how are you trying to install it? What commands?
[23:08] <Guest10933> I downloaded the package from their website
[23:09] <nacc> !info weechat
[23:09] <wedgie> why not install it from ubuntu's repos? ''sudo apt-get install weechat''
[23:09] <nacc> Guest10933: --^
[23:09] <nacc> Guest10933: we can't support non-Ubuntu packages in this channel, use the repository version
[23:10] <nacc> _dnb_: can you just have an external program that names the device for you? e.g., PROGRAM=/my/program %k or so? and that script has your variables in it?
[23:11] <_dnb_> no this udev rule is the gate for whether the program even runs
[23:11] <Guest10933> wedgie: that was clutch
[23:11] <nacc> _dnb_: actaully, can't you just put ENV{myVendors} in the rule?
[23:11] <_dnb_> essentially, all TTY's are disabled unless a specific USB vendor/model is inserted, with specific instruction sets
[23:11] <nacc> _dnb_: rather than on its own?
[23:11] <_dnb_> tried that tool
[23:11] <_dnb_> too*
[23:11] <nacc> _dnb_: can you pastebin what you tried?
[23:11] <_dnb_> ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}==ENV{eyeqVendors}
[23:11] <wedgie> Guest10933: i must be getting old. I'm not sure if that means you got it working or not :P
[23:12] <Guest10933> I am only on chapter 4 "The Linux command line" Windows ruined my computing life
[23:12] <nacc> _dnb_: no, *assign* the ENV{myVendors} in the rule
[23:12] <_dnb_> oh, it is
[23:12] <_dnb_> like in the pastebin earlier
[23:12] <_dnb_> https://pastebin.com/raw/3N3DVNcd
[23:12] <Guest10933> wedgie: It def worked
[23:13] <_dnb_> with line numbers: https://pastebin.com/FHFtYXTE
[23:13] <nacc> _dnb_: no, not on its own line, in the ACTION line?
[23:13] <_dnb_> what would that do for me?
[23:14] <_dnb_> it's not that they're unassigned, but rather ENV{something}==$anything won't work
[23:14] <_dnb_> like you mentioned, it's only supported in the select statements
[23:14] <nacc> _dnb_: can you could do ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}==ENV{myVendors}?
[23:15] <_dnb_> yeah i tried that, no luck
[23:15] <_dnb_> very frustrating :/
[23:15] <nacc> _dnb_: alright, i'd ask upstream udev
[23:15] <nacc> _dnb_: i think there is also an irc channel
[23:15] <_dnb_> yeah i asked, but it's kind of a ghost town in there
[23:15] <nacc> probably will take some patience
[23:16] <nacc> or use the mailing list
[23:17] <_dnb_> i'll just lexical tokenize the file myself first i guess :/
[23:17] <_dnb_> before it's written to disk
[23:17] <_dnb_> just makes upgrades more of a PITA
[23:18] <ashley> disk problems here, tl,dr: (re)installed Ubuntu MATE 16.10 on a used (but new to me) traditional HDD, moved ~50GB of data to it, downloaded & installed updates via the Software Updater GUI tool, it told me to reboot (obviously, kernel patches and all) which I did, but on the next reboot it drops to an initramfs console.  seems to be a superblock issue, I've tried to follow the instructions...
[23:18] <ashley> ...at http://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox but "sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sda2 | grep superblock" dies with "dumpe2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in shrot read while trying to open /dev/sda2"; fdisk reports and reported earlier on that "Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary.". any thoughts on this?
[23:23] <Bashing-om> ashley: Worth considering : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114429/short-read-while-trying-to-open-partition .
[23:24] <ashley> Bashing-om: thanks for the link; as I was afraid -- seems that I gotta dig up a backup drive for the ~50GB of data I already transferred to this disk >.<
[23:25] <Bashing-om> ashley: Well . safty is no accident . I did it to one of my drives with no data loss . YMMV !
[23:26] <Bashing-om> ashley: But ,, I did and do have backups .
[23:28] <ashley> yeah, it's always a good idea to have 'em so that you don't get bitten by "fun" bugs...
[23:30] <elkenfugel> Quick Question: Where should I go to find a good tutorial on Bash scripting?
[23:30] <wedgie> !guide > elkenfugel
[23:31] <wedgie> err, forgot what channel i was in. elkenfugel: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[23:33] <elkenfugel> Thank you
[23:33] <Bashing-om> ashley: Bear in mind, all you are doing here is zero'n out the partition table and moving a back up in place - should (!!) not effect the data that is is-place .
[23:48] <Jan\\> lubuntu can't install the boot loader ?
[23:48] <Jan\\> "sorry, an error occured and it was not possible to install the bootloader at the specified location."
[23:49] <Jan\\> its set to /dev/sda1 and I also tried /dev/sda  clicking the ok button doesn't do anything
[23:51] <Jan\\> i checked both the memory and disk before install, all were without errors
[23:52] <xrandr_laptop> Jan\\: something isn't panning out.  Try enabling Legacy Disk support in your BIOS
[23:53] <ashley> because curiosity killed the cat and I'm too curious, I gave "sudo mke2fs -n /dev/sda2" a shot...it says: "Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda2. Proceed anyway? (y,n)" and after telling it to proceed: "/dev/sda2 alignment is offset by 1024 bytes. This may result in very poor performance, (re)-partitioning suggested. mke2fs: inode_size (128) * inodes_count (0) too big for a filesystem...
[23:53] <ashley> ...with 0 blocks, specify higher inode_ratio (-i) or lower inode count (-N)."