[09:43] <Stiba> I wanted to ask if the newest Lubuntu distro still has ALSA as sound system? The reason I am asking is because of FireFox after 52 defaults to pulse audio.
[09:58] <xangua> Stiba: 16.04 does, but I always install pulseaudio
[10:01] <Stiba> I thought that this was far from trivial, but I will give it a try. Thank you for the reply!
[16:40] <lxlenewbie> hello, how to have lxle 16  mount fat32 sdcard?
[16:41] <wxl> in general, with lxle, you need to seek support from them
[16:42] <wxl> that said, pcmanfm should just handle it and if not, use the mount command
[16:42] <lxlenewbie> thanks. i just clicked this link from their site .
[16:42] <wxl> yeah, i've asked them to make it more clear that this is not lxle support
[16:43] <wxl> actually it seems pretty clear
[16:43] <wxl> http://www.lxle.net/support-options/
[16:43] <lxlenewbie> this problem happened for me with the livecd of lubuntu as well
[16:43] <wxl> "Lubuntu IRC" suggests support for Lubuntu, not LXLE
[16:44] <wxl> is there an sdcard slot on the machine?
[16:44] <lxlenewbie> in lubuntu, iclicked the microsd card and got the error
[16:44] <wxl> what error?
[16:44] <lxlenewbie> microsd card reader... yes
[16:44] <lxlenewbie> it won't let me copy the error ..  it says something about exfat
[16:45] <wxl> well, without knowing the error, i can't be of much help
[16:45] <wxl> but i would watch /var/log/dmesg when you insert the sd card
[16:46] <wxl> see if you find any errors there
[16:46] <lxlenewbie> how do i watch that?
[16:46] <wxl> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[16:51] <lxlenewbie> tx wxl. now it's not recognizing the microsd at all so there's nothing to click on.  i tapped the microsd to eject and reinsert and it flew across the room
[16:51] <lxlenewbie> arghh
[16:53] <wxl> lxlenewbie: what about dmesg?
[16:54] <lxlenewbie> i typed thaat in terminal but nothing happened... a new window should open ?
[16:59] <lxlenewbie> i'll reboot and try again. tx
[17:01] <wxl> type the command
[17:01] <wxl> then insert the sd card
[17:01] <wxl> then report on what shows up
[17:01] <wxl> it should output in terminal
[17:33] <Guest64371> wxl ?
[17:33] <wxl> yes?
[17:33] <Guest64371> (you were helping me with microsd  prob
[17:33] <Guest64371> here's the error:
[17:34] <Guest64371> Error mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 at /media/qwerty/3639-3761: Command-line `mount -t "exfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=999,gid=999,iocharset=utf8,namecase=0,errors=remount-ro,umask=0077" "/dev/mmcblk1p1" "/media/qwerty/3639-3761"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
[17:34] <wxl> and that's what happens when you click on it or that's what shows up in dmesg?
[17:35] <Guest64371> i put thaat command you gave me into terminal
[17:35] <Guest64371> then, i clicked to open the sdcard
[17:35] <Guest64371> the error message popped up again and i was able to copy and paste it here
[17:35] <wxl> could you put /var/log/dmesg into a pastebin?
[17:36] <Guest64371> the var/log/dmesg  doesn't open anything for me   ....
[17:37] <wxl> not var but /var
[17:37] <wxl> you certainly have one
[17:37] <Guest64371> tail -f /var/log/dmesg                     is what i entered in terminal
[17:38] <wxl> try opening it with the file manager
[17:38] <wxl> then copy and put it in a pastebin
[17:38] <Guest64371> k
[17:38] <Guest64371> pastebin?
[17:38] <wxl> anyways are you sure this is exFAT? cuz that's NOT FAT16
[17:38] <wxl> !pastebin
[17:39] <wxl> if it is exFAT, you can try installing the exfat-fuse and exfat-utils packages and that should resolve the problem
[17:39] <Guest64371> the  microsd is fat32
[17:40] <wxl> the fact that it's complaining about exfat is kind of telling though
[17:41] <Guest64371> The specified directory '/var/log/dmesg' is not valid
[17:41] <wxl> well here's where i start wondering what lxle is doing different
[17:43] <wxl> lubuntu inherits use of dmesg from ubuntu which inherits it from debian e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/dmesg
[17:43] <wxl> if lxle doesn't have it, that's weird
[17:43] <wxl> but again, this is why we don't support lxle
[17:44] <Guest64371> i see this  mount -t       in the error message ..   is the command to open microsd  set for exfat when i need it to be fat32 ?
[17:45] <wxl> i'm guessing it's exfat
[17:45] <Guest64371> (the microsd opens  in win10  & mint 18
[17:45] <wxl> add those exfat packages and try again
[17:48] <Guest64371> how to install those ?  (not coming up in search in synaptic package mgr
[17:51] <wxl> they are most certainly there http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=exfat
[17:51] <Guest64371> ?   sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[17:51] <wxl> that would work
[17:51] <wxl> but synaptic and apt pull from the same places
[17:55] <Guest64371> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24269126/
[17:56] <wxl> what version are you on?
[17:57] <wxl> maybe it would be easier for me to help you if you were on lubuntu
[17:58] <Guest64371> latest   ......   but am on livecd  (to make sure everything works before install
[17:58] <lyn||ian> Guest64371, can you run sudo apt update
[17:58] <lyn||ian> that might solve it
[17:58] <wxl> latest as in beta 2 of zesty?
[17:58] <Guest64371> latest long term release
[17:58] <wxl> latest as in the daily build of zesty?
[17:58] <wxl> ok, so you're on xenial
[17:58] <wxl> and what architecture?
[17:58] <Guest64371> trying sudo apt update
[18:01] <Guest64371> i'm trying to find wisest linux os   to use this lenovo n22 winbook     sync folders to desktop via syncthing and work well with opera vpn   primarily
[18:02] <Guest64371> sudo apt update  done but    microsd still wont mount
[18:03] <wxl> update then install
[18:04] <Guest64371> lenovo   80S60001US
[18:04] <Guest64371> install what ?
[18:04] <wxl> the exfat packages
[18:04] <Guest64371> tx
[18:05] <Guest64371> YES!
[18:06] <Guest64371> it worked.   thanks  : )
[18:06] <wxl> that would have been easier if you weer on lubuntu
[18:06] <wxl> *hint* *hint*
[18:06] <Guest64371> what would i understand the problem to have been based on these results?
[18:07] <Guest64371> : )
[18:07] <wxl> you had an exFAT filesystem, not FAT32 as you guessed
[18:07] <wxl> exFAT is a proprietary Microsoft format and is not in the default repos because of that
[18:07] <wxl> so you needed to install additional packages to support that
[18:08] <Guest64371> when i ran into this problem when on lubuntu and was researching wisest way to proceed , lxle became an option to try
[18:08] <wxl> why is that the wisest?
[18:09] <Guest64371> should i be formatting microsd's   to use in   linux    as primary hard drive for storage as fat32 or.. ?
[18:10] <lyn||ian> not all computers can boot off sd cards
[18:10] <Guest64371> ... since this lenovo only has 32gb hd,   i'll  be using the 64gb sd as storage  space to use syncthing to sync files to pc
[18:10] <Guest64371> i'm not going to boot off sd,   just use it as  storage space   to sync to pc
[18:11] <lyn||ian> aww ok
[18:11] <wxl> why not use the cloud?
[18:11] <wxl> i mean sheesh you could make one on your local network with owncloud
[18:11] <Guest64371> ... don't remember why lxle seemed like potentially wise way to go.
[18:11] <wxl> because they make it sound like it's so much better?
[18:12] <wxl> (their support's certainly not)
[18:13] <wxl> with owncloud, you could even sync up to your mobile device https://owncloud.org/install/#install-clients
[18:13] <Guest64371> i needed to upgrade the way we organize our data and syncthing emerged as the way to go as it's keeping proprietary documents in my network
[18:13] <Guest64371> ..not in dropbox  or on someone else's server
[18:14] <wxl> owncloud/netcloud is your OWN cloud
[18:15] <wxl> not someone else's server
[18:15] <Guest64371> is owncloud opensource   and works across android, linux & windows?
[18:20] <Guest64371> yup, looks like it is
[18:25] <Guest64371> hmmm nextcloud ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byw55vgAe-M
[18:32] <Guest64371> thanks again.  i appreciate your help .  bye