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hikikohi04:42
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ksamakandyrock: hi07:41
ksamakandyrock: i don't get what you mean, can you take the time to explain when you say "Please use compiz ident style:"07:45
ksamakandyrock: i don't get this "4s 1t 1t4s 2t", what's the logic?07:45
ksamakandyrock: well, nevermind, i got it, it's just gnu indent.07:56
willcookemorning all08:00
davmor2Morning all08:00
seb128hey willcooke davmor208:00
Laneymoin08:04
seb128and here is Laney!08:05
seb128hoi Laney08:05
Laneysoz, got some highlights and read those first :P08:05
Laneywhat's up08:05
seb128haha08:05
seb128sky is blue, sun is there08:05
seb128how is it going for you?08:06
seb128had a climbing night?08:06
Laneyit's quite misty08:07
Laneycan't see the houses behind properly :-o08:07
Laneyand yeah but i hurt my shoulder :((((((((((08:07
seb128oh, no :-(08:07
Laneyyeah sucks08:08
Laneyhave to have a couple of weeks at least of no climbing08:08
Laneyteaches me for not doing the exercises though08:08
davmor2Morning Laney08:09
seb128did you go to a doctor? or do you know what went wrong and just need rest?08:09
flexiondotorgMorning desktopers08:11
Laneynah don't need to unless it doesn't get better in some days08:11
flexiondotorgLaney the nautilus-dropbox and caja-dropbox fixes landed lastnight.08:11
Laneyi have shitty joints basically08:11
Laneyshould be doing exercises with the theraband to keep them extra strong08:11
Laneyhey davmor2 hey flexiondotorg08:11
Laneyflexiondotorg: neato08:11
davmor2morning flexiondotorg08:12
flexiondotorgdavmor2 0/08:12
davmor2Laney: stop doing Tarzan impressions once you get to the top08:12
Laneywas very close to the floor actually08:13
Laneywhich is quite thankful, don't want to do an uncontrolled fall from the top ...08:13
* TheMuso waves to EU folks... Nice to be an hour closer, and as of this Sunday, will be another hour closer. :)08:16
willcookehey TheMuso08:17
flexiondotorgTheMuso Hello :-)08:17
seb128hey flexiondotorg08:20
flexiondotorgMorning seb12808:20
seb128hey TheMuso08:21
Laneyseb128: did the langpack stuff for zesty get sorted out?08:25
seb128Laney, not totally, after weeks of nagging wgrant got a first tarball export done some days ago, now we need to try to build a langpack from that which I plan to look at today08:27
Laneyok!08:28
* Laney remembers those upload floods from previous cycles08:28
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davmor2happyaron: I think I might know what the issue with the wifi disconnect is on reboot, it looks like the bssid field in edit networks is blank shouldn't it be filled?09:21
davmor2or not09:22
davmor2however disconnect and reconnect and it connects it is really weird09:23
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andyrockb4n: are the color blind filters useful to correct or to simulate?13:06
b4nIIUC to simulate13:06
b4nnot 100% sure13:07
b4nbut that looks like a reasonable simulation13:07
andyrockwould be nice to have filter to correct?13:07
andyrocksimulate is important but corrections is way more useful13:08
andyrock*correction13:08
andyrockb4n: what do you think?13:08
b4nI guess, but is that even possible?  I mean, when the eye misses red receptors or whatnot, how can red be recovered?13:08
b4nIIUC best thing that can be done is make sure nothing relies on distinguishing red13:09
b4nand I'm not certain how this can be automated13:09
b4nbut yes, if we could have something to improve the experience of color blind people, that would be grand13:10
b4nseems iOS has something like that, so I guess it might be possible to do something to imrpove teh situation13:18
b4nnot sure what though13:18
andyrockI'm trying something13:19
andyrocki'll be back to you in 5 mins13:19
b4nok13:20
b4nI see something about making reds or greens more or less bright13:21
andyrockyes13:22
andyrockif you can work on it would be great13:23
b4nhum, not sure right now, and I guess I'd need to find more trustable data than what I have now, but in theory why not13:23
andyrockb4n: ok no problem the code looks good just two more thins13:51
andyrock*things13:51
andyrockit's eod for me so I'll take another look tomorrow13:51
andyrockthanks13:51
b4nokay, thanks, i'll look into them13:52
b4nand if I find (or get allocated) time for that I'll investigate the extra filters13:52
qenghotkamppeter: I don't know if its your doings or not, but my newly-rebooted machine discovered all kinds of nearby printers just now. It is pretty awesome.15:13
* qengho considers printing to strangers' APPL laptops nearby with fake queues, just to see what happens.15:15
tkamppeterqengho, this is the new driverless printiung support. The printers listed are readily available for printing for you and should work without need of model-specific drivers.15:23
tkamppeterqengho, in which kind of environment are you working?15:23
tkamppeterqengho, do you have many printers at home? Or are you working in a co-working space? or in a Canonical office?15:24
qenghotkamppeter: Aaaaaaaaawesome. I am on a shared wifi. One or two real printers attached. Ten other laptops.15:24
tkamppeterqengho, you will not need a printer setup tool in most cases. Compatible printers will get auto-setup and just work.15:25
qenghoThe UI that Gnome 3 presented was great. "Printer Foo added!"15:25
qenghoIf I had a request, it's that I wanted to click on the notifier and see details.15:26
tkamppeterqengho, yes, in GNOME/GTK there was made an applet some years ago, which catches and displays CUPS notifications.15:26
tkamppeterqengho, this applet as not me, it was most probably larsu, but the driverless printing support was me.15:27
qenghoWell, it's new to me. And I try to keep up to date with Ubuntu dev.15:27
qenghotkamppeter: It's great. Thank you.15:28
tkamppeterqengho, important is that the auto-setup queues are actually working. So I am grateful if you try them out. If one or another does not work, please tell me, and which printer it is, but also tell me which printer models work for you.15:29
willcookeMeeting time!15:30
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-03-2815:30
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willcookeLots of people out today15:30
willcookeRoll call:  allison, andyrock, attente, dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg(out), happyaron(out), hikiko(out), laney, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)15:30
qenghoDang.15:30
LaneymmmMMMmmmMMmmmMmmM15:31
* Laney likes late meeting time15:31
qenghoBST?15:31
willcookeyeah15:32
Laneythe best time15:32
willcooke:D15:32
Laneyit's light until 19.30ish now15:32
willcookeI wish it was BST all the time15:32
willcookeLet's start then15:33
willcookeIn at #1 this week, its...15:33
andyrocko/15:33
willcooke#topic allison115:33
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allison1hey15:34
allison1went to the gtk hackfest in london15:34
allison1did some talking about glib bugs/features15:34
allison1spent a good deal of time, though, discussing dbus, and its future in a world that has confined applications15:35
allison1(eof)15:35
willcookethanks allison115:35
allison1(sorry.  surprised to be first) :)15:35
willcooke#topic andyrock15:35
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andyrockhey15:35
andyrockso15:35
andyrock1. still working on CR + Mir15:35
andyrock2. doing some reviews for compiz and a11y branches15:36
andyrock3. eof15:36
willcookethanks andyrock15:36
willcooke#topic attente15:36
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attentegtk-mir debugging, triage, most of the low-hanging fruit should be fixed, but there are some more critical bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1675364 i need to fix...15:36
attente(eof)15:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1675364 in Canonical System Image "[regression] GTK and KDE apps fail to start under Unity8 (without gnome-session running)" [Critical,Triaged]15:37
willcookeattente, let's chat about that after the meeting.15:37
willcookethanks attente15:37
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:37
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attentesure15:37
dgadomskihey15:37
dgadomski* still working on bluez, trying to port user's setup from 4.101 (trusty) to 5.37 (xenial), seems a lot has changed in that area15:37
dgadomskieof15:37
willcookethanks dgadomski15:38
willcookeno update from FJKong, hes on a day off15:38
willcooke#topic flexiondotorg15:38
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willcooke- Working with Discord, Visual Studio Code, Atom, itch.io, SimpleNote,15:38
willcookeGhost, Rocket.Chat Client, Brave, Hyper, Wire, Etcher, Gitter Client,15:38
willcookeGoogle Play Music Desktop, Mattermost Desktop, Wordpress and Rambox to15:38
willcookemake snaps.15:38
willcooke- Patches for nautilus-dropbox and caja-dropbox LP: #155924915:38
ubot5Launchpad bug 1559249 in nautilus-dropbox (Ubuntu) "Dropbox indicator is broken on non-Unity environments" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155924915:38
willcooke- Going to London Python tonight to talk about Snaps.15:38
willcooke#topic happyaron15:38
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willcooke1. trafficserver link ordering fix (thanks Locutus_Of_Borg)15:38
willcooke2. ocserv(openconnect vpn): improve firewall handling and MTU/MSS handling15:38
willcooke3. Check and sponsor uploads: youker-assistant, indicator-china-weather15:38
willcooke4. Update ubuntukylin seeds15:38
willcooke5. Review and merge slideshow update of ubuntukylin15:38
willcooke6. Take a closer look at NM bug #166474815:38
ubot5bug 1664748 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "wifi connection drops, reconnects every 10 minutes" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166474815:38
willcooke7. handle transition from iptraf to iptraf-ng15:38
willcooke#topic hikiko15:39
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willcooke(verbose bullets...)15:39
willcookechromium (most days):15:39
willcooke- I am still trying to add some basic input handling to ozone. According to the documents, every platform window must have a window delegate class from which it can dispatch ui::Events to ozone. X11 platform has a converter from X events to ui::Events and implements its own dispatcher/delegate classes that inherit from some chromium ui/events/platform classes and use some event libraries that are recommended. Windows, on the other15:39
willcookehand have their own event implementation used by aura and wayland seems to use a simpler approach by dispatching events from the PlatformWindow class that is also the delegate, directly. According to the guide I should follow X's paradigm but after experimenting a little, I decided to give a try to the wayland approach that seems much simpler and clean. Still in progress, build is slow - I keep running into out of memory problems on15:39
willcookea 16GB machine!!, I hope to have more results by the meeting time or tomorrow. :)15:39
willcookeunity (1 day):15:39
willcooke- trying to fix some problems in the shadows/decorations code: under some circumstances, when a deco window receives the focus out event it disappears although it shouldn't. This causes some window manager operations to not work well and I am trying to find a solution. (+I believe that fixing this bug and combining it with a small change in unityshell will fix the rolling windows too => good feature for small screens/VMs in15:39
willcookecombination with the lowgfx fixes)15:39
willcooke- still pending: ucc (lowgfx) review15:39
willcooke#topic Laney15:39
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Laney• Mucho queue reviews and FFe discussions, etc15:40
Laney• Upload the contest wallpapers for 17.0415:40
Laney• Work some more on rebasing g-s onto master15:40
Laney• Britney:15:40
Laney∘ Review branch from rob_ru to re-send emails periodically when packages are blocked in -proposed15:40
Laney‣ Some discussions about what the frequency should be15:40
Laney‣ Some spinoff discussions about whether to do this for SRUs - it was decided not to directly, but to use the SRU tools to do that; they already have a facility to message about old SRUs - this needs to be beefed up15:40
Laney∘ Develop a testsuite with a fake SMTP server (python-smtpd is nice) for the email stuff, and use that to not send mails if a package is blocked explicitly or if it's rejected temporarily, for example if tests are still running15:40
Laney• Help people to get some builds now that way more touch stuff has s390x builds due to upstart being dropped, yay!15:40
Laney• gstreamer 1.10.415:40
Laney• Push some NM changes through from rico_tz, including upstreaming a -Wformat-security fix (was committed within minutes - awesome upstream)15:40
Laney🕳️15:40
willcookethanks Laney15:40
willcooke#topic qengho15:41
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qenghoSory, come back.15:41
willcookeqengho, ack15:41
willcooke#topic seb12815:41
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willcooke• had friday off15:41
willcooke• debugged codec installation not working in zesty (turned out to be a15:41
willcookegnome-software regression, fixed now)15:41
willcooke• ubuntu-file-manager NEW pre-review15:41
willcooke• some sponsoring15:41
willcooke• current zesty iso testing15:41
willcooke• launchpad & e.u.c bugs triaging15:41
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:41
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willcooke* Helped Til work through an issue he was seeing with Pulse, chromium and the control center. Moving the pulse configs out of the way resolved the problem for now, need to take a look to see what it may have been, although not sure if I'll find anything obvious.15:41
willcooke* Spent more time looking over at-spi internals and learning more about what is needed for a spec for a cross-desktop, Wayland/Mir way to allow Orca and other assistive technologies to be able to listen to input events.15:41
willcooke* Some bug fixing work in upstrea speech-dispatcher for a few issues that were reported to me, mostly by users.15:41
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:42
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tkamppeter- system-config-printer: Several bug fixes and small improvements to make setup of driverless printers work and to make it easy for the users.15:42
tkamppeter- Ubuntu Zesty Release notes: Added new support for driverless printing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes#Driverless_Printing15:42
tkamppeter- cups: Handles problem with updating CUPS package in Xenial: bug 164296615:42
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2017: Continued on student selection and preparation, planning for the print dialog project, meeting with Felipe Borges about new GTK print dialog.15:42
ubot5bug 1642966 in cups (Ubuntu Xenial) "package cups-daemon 2.1.3-4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164296615:42
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:42
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:42
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:42
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willcooke· Rewriting the way we handle lowgfx in compiz, unity and ucc.15:43
willcookeChanging profiles on the way and without adding new dependencies to15:43
willcookeucc.15:43
willcooke· Created GroupedGSettings inside UCC (to handle multiple settings15:43
willcookesharing the same schema but with different paths), to allow to save15:43
willcookethe unity settings to all the configured profiles.15:43
willcooke· We've a race causing the unity env variables not to be set at usd15:43
tkamppeterwillcooke, did you already the testing of driverless printing on your Samsung?15:43
willcookelevel, workarounded for CCS for now, but.. Would need more checking.15:43
willcooketkamppeter, Still got the inverted printing thing going on with certain resolutions - trying to narrow it down.  Will report back15:43
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:44
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willcooke- lightdm 1.22.0 release15:44
willcooke- Complete patch work fixing activity-log-manager calendar bug and SRU15:44
willcooke- Released snapd-glib 1.8, 1.915:44
willcooke- Chasing down causes of top crashers for gnome-software in zesty15:44
willcooke- Learning meson build system (ported simple-scan)15:44
willcooke#topic qengho15:44
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qengho* One week vacation.15:44
qengho* Chromium 57. Fixing ARMHF ftbfs for Z; and P+T ftbfs. Looks great when it builds. :(15:44
qenghoEOF15:44
willcookethanks qengho15:44
willcooke#topic AOB15:44
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willcookeAnyone got anything new?15:44
willcookePlease make time for a quick bit of ISO testing in the next week15:44
willcookeGoing....15:46
willcooke..going..15:46
willcooke#endmeeting15:47
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Mar 28 15:47:07 2017 UTC.15:47
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-03-28-15.30.moin.txt15:47
willcookethanks all15:47
Laneynice15:47
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seb128back, sorry I missed the meeting16:16
Laneyhey seb12816:50
Laneywahhhh16:54
Laneyit's just started chucking it down16:54
Laneywas going to go to the allotment16:54
seb128:-(16:59
Laneylaughing at my allotment buddy who is already there17:00
Laneypresumably getting very wet17:00
Laneybetter than it starting 2 minutes after I leave I guess :P17:05
Laneynight!17:05
Laneyhalf day for me tomorrow, so see you for a short time :-)17:05
willcooketa ta17:07
willcookenight all17:07
seb128night Laney17:12
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