[04:42] <hikiko> hi
[07:41] <ksamak> andyrock: hi
[07:45] <ksamak> andyrock: i don't get what you mean, can you take the time to explain when you say "Please use compiz ident style:"
[07:45] <ksamak> andyrock: i don't get this "4s 1t 1t4s 2t", what's the logic?
[07:56] <ksamak> andyrock: well, nevermind, i got it, it's just gnu indent.
[08:00] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:00] <seb128> hey willcooke davmor2
[08:04] <Laney> moin
[08:05] <seb128> and here is Laney!
[08:05] <seb128> hoi Laney
[08:05] <Laney> soz, got some highlights and read those first :P
[08:05] <Laney> what's up
[08:05] <seb128> haha
[08:05] <seb128> sky is blue, sun is there
[08:06] <seb128> how is it going for you?
[08:06] <seb128> had a climbing night?
[08:07] <Laney> it's quite misty
[08:07] <Laney> can't see the houses behind properly :-o
[08:07] <Laney> and yeah but i hurt my shoulder :((((((((((
[08:07] <seb128> oh, no :-(
[08:08] <Laney> yeah sucks
[08:08] <Laney> have to have a couple of weeks at least of no climbing
[08:08] <Laney> teaches me for not doing the exercises though
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning Laney
[08:09] <seb128> did you go to a doctor? or do you know what went wrong and just need rest?
[08:11] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:11] <Laney> nah don't need to unless it doesn't get better in some days
[08:11] <flexiondotorg> Laney the nautilus-dropbox and caja-dropbox fixes landed lastnight.
[08:11] <Laney> i have shitty joints basically
[08:11] <Laney> should be doing exercises with the theraband to keep them extra strong
[08:11] <Laney> hey davmor2 hey flexiondotorg
[08:11] <Laney> flexiondotorg: neato
[08:12] <davmor2> morning flexiondotorg
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 0/
[08:12] <davmor2> Laney: stop doing Tarzan impressions once you get to the top
[08:13] <Laney> was very close to the floor actually
[08:13] <Laney> which is quite thankful, don't want to do an uncontrolled fall from the top ...
[08:16]  * TheMuso waves to EU folks... Nice to be an hour closer, and as of this Sunday, will be another hour closer. :)
[08:17] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[08:17] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso Hello :-)
[08:20] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:20] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128
[08:21] <seb128> hey TheMuso
[08:25] <Laney> seb128: did the langpack stuff for zesty get sorted out?
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, not totally, after weeks of nagging wgrant got a first tarball export done some days ago, now we need to try to build a langpack from that which I plan to look at today
[08:28] <Laney> ok!
[08:28]  * Laney remembers those upload floods from previous cycles
[09:21] <davmor2> happyaron: I think I might know what the issue with the wifi disconnect is on reboot, it looks like the bssid field in edit networks is blank shouldn't it be filled?
[09:22] <davmor2> or not
[09:23] <davmor2> however disconnect and reconnect and it connects it is really weird
[13:06] <andyrock> b4n: are the color blind filters useful to correct or to simulate?
[13:06] <b4n> IIUC to simulate
[13:07] <b4n> not 100% sure
[13:07] <b4n> but that looks like a reasonable simulation
[13:07] <andyrock> would be nice to have filter to correct?
[13:08] <andyrock> simulate is important but corrections is way more useful
[13:08] <andyrock> *correction
[13:08] <andyrock> b4n: what do you think?
[13:08] <b4n> I guess, but is that even possible?  I mean, when the eye misses red receptors or whatnot, how can red be recovered?
[13:09] <b4n> IIUC best thing that can be done is make sure nothing relies on distinguishing red
[13:09] <b4n> and I'm not certain how this can be automated
[13:10] <b4n> but yes, if we could have something to improve the experience of color blind people, that would be grand
[13:18] <b4n> seems iOS has something like that, so I guess it might be possible to do something to imrpove teh situation
[13:18] <b4n> not sure what though
[13:19] <andyrock> I'm trying something
[13:19] <andyrock> i'll be back to you in 5 mins
[13:20] <b4n> ok
[13:21] <b4n> I see something about making reds or greens more or less bright
[13:22] <andyrock> yes
[13:23] <andyrock> if you can work on it would be great
[13:23] <b4n> hum, not sure right now, and I guess I'd need to find more trustable data than what I have now, but in theory why not
[13:51] <andyrock> b4n: ok no problem the code looks good just two more thins
[13:51] <andyrock> *things
[13:51] <andyrock> it's eod for me so I'll take another look tomorrow
[13:51] <andyrock> thanks
[13:52] <b4n> okay, thanks, i'll look into them
[13:52] <b4n> and if I find (or get allocated) time for that I'll investigate the extra filters
[15:13] <qengho> tkamppeter: I don't know if its your doings or not, but my newly-rebooted machine discovered all kinds of nearby printers just now. It is pretty awesome.
[15:15]  * qengho considers printing to strangers' APPL laptops nearby with fake queues, just to see what happens.
[15:23] <tkamppeter> qengho, this is the new driverless printiung support. The printers listed are readily available for printing for you and should work without need of model-specific drivers.
[15:23] <tkamppeter> qengho, in which kind of environment are you working?
[15:24] <tkamppeter> qengho, do you have many printers at home? Or are you working in a co-working space? or in a Canonical office?
[15:24] <qengho> tkamppeter: Aaaaaaaaawesome. I am on a shared wifi. One or two real printers attached. Ten other laptops.
[15:25] <tkamppeter> qengho, you will not need a printer setup tool in most cases. Compatible printers will get auto-setup and just work.
[15:25] <qengho> The UI that Gnome 3 presented was great. "Printer Foo added!"
[15:26] <qengho> If I had a request, it's that I wanted to click on the notifier and see details.
[15:26] <tkamppeter> qengho, yes, in GNOME/GTK there was made an applet some years ago, which catches and displays CUPS notifications.
[15:27] <tkamppeter> qengho, this applet as not me, it was most probably larsu, but the driverless printing support was me.
[15:27] <qengho> Well, it's new to me. And I try to keep up to date with Ubuntu dev.
[15:28] <qengho> tkamppeter: It's great. Thank you.
[15:29] <tkamppeter> qengho, important is that the auto-setup queues are actually working. So I am grateful if you try them out. If one or another does not work, please tell me, and which printer it is, but also tell me which printer models work for you.
[15:30] <willcooke> Meeting time!
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-03-28
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 28 15:30:40 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Lots of people out today
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  allison, andyrock, attente, dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg(out), happyaron(out), hikiko(out), laney, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <qengho> Dang.
[15:31] <Laney> mmmMMMmmmMMmmmMmmM
[15:31]  * Laney likes late meeting time
[15:31] <qengho> BST?
[15:32] <willcooke> yeah
[15:32] <Laney> the best time
[15:32] <willcooke> :D
[15:32] <Laney> it's light until 19.30ish now
[15:32] <willcooke> I wish it was BST all the time
[15:33] <willcooke> Let's start then
[15:33] <willcooke> In at #1 this week, its...
[15:33] <andyrock> o/
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic allison1
[15:34] <allison1> hey
[15:34] <allison1> went to the gtk hackfest in london
[15:34] <allison1> did some talking about glib bugs/features
[15:35] <allison1> spent a good deal of time, though, discussing dbus, and its future in a world that has confined applications
[15:35] <allison1> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks allison1
[15:35] <allison1> (sorry.  surprised to be first) :)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <andyrock> hey
[15:35] <andyrock> so
[15:35] <andyrock> 1. still working on CR + Mir
[15:36] <andyrock> 2. doing some reviews for compiz and a11y branches
[15:36] <andyrock> 3. eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> gtk-mir debugging, triage, most of the low-hanging fruit should be fixed, but there are some more critical bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1675364 i need to fix...
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:37] <willcooke> attente, let's chat about that after the meeting.
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <attente> sure
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> * still working on bluez, trying to port user's setup from 4.101 (trusty) to 5.37 (xenial), seems a lot has changed in that area
[15:37] <dgadomski> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> no update from FJKong, hes on a day off
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:38] <willcooke> - Working with Discord, Visual Studio Code, Atom, itch.io, SimpleNote,
[15:38] <willcooke> Ghost, Rocket.Chat Client, Brave, Hyper, Wire, Etcher, Gitter Client,
[15:38] <willcooke> Google Play Music Desktop, Mattermost Desktop, Wordpress and Rambox to
[15:38] <willcooke> make snaps.
[15:38] <willcooke> - Patches for nautilus-dropbox and caja-dropbox LP: #1559249
[15:38] <willcooke> - Going to London Python tonight to talk about Snaps.
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> 1. trafficserver link ordering fix (thanks Locutus_Of_Borg)
[15:38] <willcooke> 2. ocserv(openconnect vpn): improve firewall handling and MTU/MSS handling
[15:38] <willcooke> 3. Check and sponsor uploads: youker-assistant, indicator-china-weather
[15:38] <willcooke> 4. Update ubuntukylin seeds
[15:38] <willcooke> 5. Review and merge slideshow update of ubuntukylin
[15:38] <willcooke> 6. Take a closer look at NM bug #1664748
[15:38] <willcooke> 7. handle transition from iptraf to iptraf-ng
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:39] <willcooke> (verbose bullets...)
[15:39] <willcooke> chromium (most days):
[15:39] <willcooke> - I am still trying to add some basic input handling to ozone. According to the documents, every platform window must have a window delegate class from which it can dispatch ui::Events to ozone. X11 platform has a converter from X events to ui::Events and implements its own dispatcher/delegate classes that inherit from some chromium ui/events/platform classes and use some event libraries that are recommended. Windows, on the other
[15:39] <willcooke> hand have their own event implementation used by aura and wayland seems to use a simpler approach by dispatching events from the PlatformWindow class that is also the delegate, directly. According to the guide I should follow X's paradigm but after experimenting a little, I decided to give a try to the wayland approach that seems much simpler and clean. Still in progress, build is slow - I keep running into out of memory problems on
[15:39] <willcooke> a 16GB machine!!, I hope to have more results by the meeting time or tomorrow. :)
[15:39] <willcooke> unity (1 day):
[15:39] <willcooke> - trying to fix some problems in the shadows/decorations code: under some circumstances, when a deco window receives the focus out event it disappears although it shouldn't. This causes some window manager operations to not work well and I am trying to find a solution. (+I believe that fixing this bug and combining it with a small change in unityshell will fix the rolling windows too => good feature for small screens/VMs in
[15:39] <willcooke> combination with the lowgfx fixes)
[15:39] <willcooke> - still pending: ucc (lowgfx) review
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:40] <Laney> • Mucho queue reviews and FFe discussions, etc
[15:40] <Laney> • Upload the contest wallpapers for 17.04
[15:40] <Laney> • Work some more on rebasing g-s onto master
[15:40] <Laney> • Britney:
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Review branch from rob_ru to re-send emails periodically when packages are blocked in -proposed
[15:40] <Laney> ‣ Some discussions about what the frequency should be
[15:40] <Laney> ‣ Some spinoff discussions about whether to do this for SRUs - it was decided not to directly, but to use the SRU tools to do that; they already have a facility to message about old SRUs - this needs to be beefed up
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Develop a testsuite with a fake SMTP server (python-smtpd is nice) for the email stuff, and use that to not send mails if a package is blocked explicitly or if it's rejected temporarily, for example if tests are still running
[15:40] <Laney> • Help people to get some builds now that way more touch stuff has s390x builds due to upstart being dropped, yay!
[15:40] <Laney> • gstreamer 1.10.4
[15:40] <Laney> • Push some NM changes through from rico_tz, including upstreaming a -Wformat-security fix (was committed within minutes - awesome upstream)
[15:40] <Laney> 🕳️
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:41] <qengho> Sory, come back.
[15:41] <willcooke> qengho, ack
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:41] <willcooke> • had friday off
[15:41] <willcooke> • debugged codec installation not working in zesty (turned out to be a
[15:41] <willcooke> gnome-software regression, fixed now)
[15:41] <willcooke> • ubuntu-file-manager NEW pre-review
[15:41] <willcooke> • some sponsoring
[15:41] <willcooke> • current zesty iso testing
[15:41] <willcooke> • launchpad & e.u.c bugs triaging
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:41] <willcooke> * Helped Til work through an issue he was seeing with Pulse, chromium and the control center. Moving the pulse configs out of the way resolved the problem for now, need to take a look to see what it may have been, although not sure if I'll find anything obvious.
[15:41] <willcooke> * Spent more time looking over at-spi internals and learning more about what is needed for a spec for a cross-desktop, Wayland/Mir way to allow Orca and other assistive technologies to be able to listen to input events.
[15:41] <willcooke> * Some bug fixing work in upstrea speech-dispatcher for a few issues that were reported to me, mostly by users.
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer: Several bug fixes and small improvements to make setup of driverless printers work and to make it easy for the users.
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - Ubuntu Zesty Release notes: Added new support for driverless printing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes#Driverless_Printing
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - cups: Handles problem with updating CUPS package in Xenial: bug 1642966
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Continued on student selection and preparation, planning for the print dialog project, meeting with Felipe Borges about new GTK print dialog.
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <willcooke> · Rewriting the way we handle lowgfx in compiz, unity and ucc.
[15:43] <willcooke> Changing profiles on the way and without adding new dependencies to
[15:43] <willcooke> ucc.
[15:43] <willcooke> · Created GroupedGSettings inside UCC (to handle multiple settings
[15:43] <willcooke> sharing the same schema but with different paths), to allow to save
[15:43] <willcooke> the unity settings to all the configured profiles.
[15:43] <willcooke> · We've a race causing the unity env variables not to be set at usd
[15:43] <tkamppeter> willcooke, did you already the testing of driverless printing on your Samsung?
[15:43] <willcooke> level, workarounded for CCS for now, but.. Would need more checking.
[15:43] <willcooke> tkamppeter, Still got the inverted printing thing going on with certain resolutions - trying to narrow it down.  Will report back
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:44] <willcooke> - lightdm 1.22.0 release
[15:44] <willcooke> - Complete patch work fixing activity-log-manager calendar bug and SRU
[15:44] <willcooke> - Released snapd-glib 1.8, 1.9
[15:44] <willcooke> - Chasing down causes of top crashers for gnome-software in zesty
[15:44] <willcooke> - Learning meson build system (ported simple-scan)
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <qengho> * One week vacation.
[15:44] <qengho> * Chromium 57. Fixing ARMHF ftbfs for Z; and P+T ftbfs. Looks great when it builds. :(
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:44] <willcooke> Anyone got anything new?
[15:44] <willcooke> Please make time for a quick bit of ISO testing in the next week
[15:46] <willcooke> Going....
[15:46] <willcooke> ..going..
[15:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 15:47:07 2017 UTC.
[15:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-03-28-15.30.moin.txt
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:47] <Laney> nice
[16:16] <seb128> back, sorry I missed the meeting
[16:50] <Laney> hey seb128
[16:54] <Laney> wahhhh
[16:54] <Laney> it's just started chucking it down
[16:54] <Laney> was going to go to the allotment
[16:59] <seb128> :-(
[17:00] <Laney> laughing at my allotment buddy who is already there
[17:00] <Laney> presumably getting very wet
[17:05] <Laney> better than it starting 2 minutes after I leave I guess :P
[17:05] <Laney> night!
[17:05] <Laney> half day for me tomorrow, so see you for a short time :-)
[17:07] <willcooke> ta ta
[17:07] <willcooke> night all
[17:12] <seb128> night Laney