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| acheron-a | ;) | 03:06 |
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| Bashing-om | eyes are crossing ! Time ! | 03:52 |
| acheron-a | hello again bash | 03:53 |
| acheron-a | time for sleep? | 03:53 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:48 |
| lotuspsychje | new xenial kernel | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic xenial | 04:51 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.70.76 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | morning baizon | 04:54 |
| lotuspsychje | 75mb update this morning / new kernel | 04:55 |
| baizon | hi lotuspsychje | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | morning philipballew | 05:24 |
| lotuspsychje | morning acheron-a & glebihan | 05:45 |
| acheron-a | hello lotuspsychje | 05:45 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 06:08 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ & lordievader | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | you guys all sleep well? | 06:09 |
| EriC^^ | morning lordievader | 06:09 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 06:10 |
| lordievader | Hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^ | 06:10 |
| lordievader | Quite okay. | 06:10 |
| lordievader | You? | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | great here | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | morning BobbyJr | 06:28 |
| ducasse | hi all | 06:31 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 06:34 |
| lotuspsychje | all ok in norway? | 06:34 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: all good, thanks. how are you today? | 06:39 |
| lotuspsychje | great here ducasse | 06:42 |
| lotuspsychje | 5 days off | 06:42 |
| ducasse | ahh, nice. any plans, or just relax? | 06:43 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: and enjoying the weather | 06:47 |
| ducasse | 22 package updates for zesty today, getting closer to release... | 06:47 |
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| lotuspsychje | ducasse: 75mb on xenial here | 06:51 |
| ducasse | that was with a kernel update? i got that on yakkety but not zesty. | 06:52 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 07:00 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic xenial | 07:00 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.70.76 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB | 07:00 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernels-4-10-6-4-9-18-lts-and-4-4-57-lts-released-with-updated-drivers-514312.shtml | 07:11 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: btw, i applied for membership in the wiki team, but haven't heard anything yet. i wrote up some stuff for the grep page, maybe i can submit it to someone in #ubuntu-doc? | 07:18 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: cool, but not sure those guys are alive there | 07:19 |
| ducasse | i don't even know if that is where the wiki people hang out, or if that's for things like the server guide etc | 07:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: perhaps the mailing list or so? | 07:20 |
| ducasse | which one? the launchpad page for the wiki team says there isn't one... | 07:21 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmm | 07:23 |
| ducasse | i can try contacting the admins, ask if i can just finish it up and submit it to them. | 07:23 |
| lotuspsychje | cant find neither | 07:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 07:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact | 07:24 |
| ducasse | not the same team :) | 07:25 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 07:26 |
| ducasse | aha, seems they use the same mailing list. i'll subscribe to that :) | 07:26 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 07:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lets hope its a bit active | 07:28 |
| ducasse | easy to check... | 07:28 |
| ducasse | seems quite busy. | 07:29 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/rock-deepin-music-now-available-snap-app | 08:42 |
| lotuspsychje | handy stuff those snaps | 08:43 |
| lotuspsychje | http://fossforce.com/2017/03/fedex-will-pay-5-install-flash-machine/ | 08:52 |
| lotuspsychje | wth? | 08:52 |
| ducasse | lol | 08:55 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 10:15 |
| ducasse | hi BluesKaj, just as you arrive traffic picks up again, after over an hour quiet :) | 10:20 |
| BluesKaj | hi ducasse ...am i being followed ? :-) | 10:21 |
| ducasse | quick, cloak your traffic with tor! ;) | 10:22 |
| BluesKaj | I am cloaked , but it's slow to enable hence the IP leak | 10:24 |
| BluesKaj | I've noticed that bug for a while | 10:26 |
| BluesKaj | I'm not concerned tho | 10:26 |
| ducasse | i hadn't noticed, actually. not that i really care. | 10:27 |
| BluesKaj | suppose if I was concerned I could connect via vpn | 10:29 |
| ducasse | i could as well, i really should use my pia subscription more. i'm not getting my money out of it as it is, i hardly use it. | 10:31 |
| BluesKaj | tor isn't my much to my liking | 10:31 |
| BluesKaj | PIA is cheap tho and worth the money | 10:32 |
| ducasse | not a tor fan either, no need for it. | 10:33 |
| BluesKaj | my renewal comes up in 2 weeks | 10:33 |
| ducasse | mine is just around new year, as i got my first year as a christmas present. easy to remember :) | 10:34 |
| BluesKaj | some servers are better than others IME , at least here in NA, haven't used many of the euro or asian servers | 10:39 |
| ducasse | i get really good speeds from the euro servers, only slightly less than with no vpn. | 10:43 |
| BluesKaj | my dsl is quite slow do I don't notice any difference at all | 10:44 |
| BluesKaj | do=so | 10:44 |
| BluesKaj | but I have plenty of time | 10:45 |
| ducasse | got some good news from my isp yesterday, they've increased my tier with 30mbps, and from next month hbo nordic will be included in my subscription at no extra charge. | 10:45 |
| BluesKaj | nice :-) | 10:46 |
| ducasse | plus they've included their own streaming thing. not too much interesting stuff there, but some, and it's free :) | 10:49 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 11:55 |
| pauljw | hi lotuspsychje | 11:56 |
| lotuspsychje | hey pauljw | 11:57 |
| lotuspsychje | sunny weather over here | 11:58 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/stacer-ubuntu-system-cleaner-update | 11:59 |
| lotuspsychje | pretty nice app, too bad its not in our repos | 12:00 |
| BluesKaj | autoclean autoremove ftw | 12:05 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there BluesKaj | 12:05 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome ikevin | 12:05 |
| BluesKaj | hi lotuspsychje | 12:05 |
| ikevin | ty | 12:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ikevin: here is where we discuss topics, to serve #ubuntu better | 12:06 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: indeed, a bit like bleachbit also a GUI for autoclean etc | 12:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ikevin: what distro are you on? | 12:07 |
| BluesKaj | i have a lot of my regular commands aliased so a gui is not needed | 12:08 |
| ikevin | lotuspsychje, i use mint for work and ubuntu for personnal use | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: same here, but some new users might like GUI apps like that, looks pretty neat that stacer | 12:08 |
| ikevin | i've some servers on ubuntu server and debian too | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | ikevin: LTS or non-lts? | 12:08 |
| ikevin | non lts, i always update to the last stable | 12:09 |
| ikevin | so, for servers i use lts | 12:09 |
| ikevin | but* | 12:09 |
| lotuspsychje | ikevin: cool! mint as personal choice, or your work, works with it by default? | 12:09 |
| ikevin | personnal choice, i'm the founder of my compagny | 12:10 |
| lotuspsychje | oh nice, what do you do ikevin? | 12:10 |
| ikevin | i'm developper | 12:11 |
| lotuspsychje | neat | 12:11 |
| lotuspsychje | i wonder what munich will do now..stick to ubuntu or leave to windows again | 12:12 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/government | 12:14 |
| lotuspsychje | https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/ | 12:18 |
| BluesKaj | costs plenty in man hours and money to switch OSs on that scale | 12:18 |
| ikevin | in some case it need some specifics software to be developped | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: true, but i wonder how safe the network is when staying years on broken windows boxesµ | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | howdy brunch875 | 12:21 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, the switch to MS is really unfortunate, there must be a lot of pressure by MS lobbyists in Bonn and Berlin, not just Munich. It's very disappointing. :/ | 12:24 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: yeah think so too | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | the MS anti viruses companies are gonna gave a field day now | 12:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 12:26 |
| lotuspsychje | perhaps they should have chosen vanilla ubuntu instead of limux | 12:27 |
| lotuspsychje | afternoon pavlushka | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, I think the Munich city council will more than regret their decision , W10 is an awful OS | 12:31 |
| pavlushka | afternoon lotuspsychje :) | 12:31 |
| pavlushka | lol | 12:31 |
| lotuspsychje | pavlushka: you joined at the right time :p | 12:32 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: it sure is, we will follow its developments in germany | 12:33 |
| pavlushka | lotuspsychje: that's I am, the person who joins at the right time :p | 12:33 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 12:33 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: ! | 12:33 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, I'm sure you'll keep us informed :-) | 12:33 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: my eyes are pointed to the latest daily :p | 12:34 |
| OerHeks | hello hello :-) | 12:34 |
| BluesKaj | hey OerHeks | 12:35 |
| lotuspsychje | just on time for some ubuntu vanilla coffee with a !cookie | 12:36 |
| pauljw | hi OerHeks | 12:36 |
| lotuspsychje | for those who didnt see this mornings url: wth..http://fossforce.com/2017/03/fedex-will-pay-5-install-flash-machine/ | 12:37 |
| * lotuspsychje is grabbing 5$ greedy :p | 12:37 | |
| ducasse | they would need to add some zeroes behind that to get me to install flash on my systems :) | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | wahaha | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | install flash and get 10 exploits free with it | 12:51 |
| brunch875 | damn | 13:11 |
| ikevin | lotuspsychje, + some freeze :p | 13:14 |
| pauljw | brb | 13:21 |
| lotuspsychje | wildpenguin = crazytux? | 13:50 |
| ducasse | i was wondering exactly the same thing. | 13:52 |
| OerHeks | something like that | 13:52 |
| lotuspsychje | smells like troll :p | 13:52 |
| ducasse | "i've installed mate and now i want lubuntu" sounds all too familiar | 13:53 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 13:53 |
| OerHeks | he is on kali. | 13:54 |
| ducasse | he said mate earlier, but he knows well enough what we support... | 13:54 |
| lotuspsychje | i surely saw him changing nicks before | 13:55 |
| OerHeks | ♫ lonely people | 13:56 |
| ducasse | from...? too lazy to check. | 13:56 |
| lotuspsychje | servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 14 09:44:24 * WildPenguin is now known as CrazyTux | 13:57 |
| ducasse | surprise... | 13:58 |
| lotuspsychje | @1127 http://her0.be/index.php?action=logfile&date=20170114 | 13:59 |
| lotuspsychje | #debian and #ubuntu troll installing mate, 16.10,lubuntu and kali lol | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | afternoon acheron-a | 14:01 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: should we ask for lsb-release output? | 14:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: perhaps he will outsmart us? | 14:02 |
| acheron-a | hello lotuspsychje | 14:02 |
| ducasse | maybe, maybe not. | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: maybe trick him with cat issue lol | 14:03 |
| ducasse | i'll wait until he asks something. | 14:03 |
| lotuspsychje | great | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | no luck, he left :p | 14:05 |
| ducasse | i noticed. | 14:05 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl sunwalk | 14:08 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: enjoy! :) | 14:08 |
| OerHeks | Update your "Eject" package. Eject could be made to run programs as an administrator. Affects versions: 12.04 LTS, 14.04 LTS, 16.04 LTS, and 16.10 | 15:50 |
| lotuspsychje | !info eject | 15:57 |
| ubot5 | eject (source: eject): ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Linux. In component main, is important. Version 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 23 kB, installed size 152 kB | 15:57 |
| lotuspsychje | we should have up to date !nvidia & !amd/ati triggers when things change on ubuntu versions | 16:14 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: yeah, that would be good | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | all the explaining we need to do right now | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | !amd | 16:19 |
| ubot5 | Open driver for AMD cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2) fglrx (older cards, unsupported by AMD in 16.04+). For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units . For fglrx info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD | 16:19 |
| nacc | this is alsowhere the hwe gets users confused | 16:19 |
| nacc | 14.04.5 is an archive snapshot and a kerenl/X stack | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | amd trigger seems updated | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | !nvidia | 16:20 |
| ubot5 | For nvidia and matrox graphics cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto . For AMD/ATI graphics cards, see « /msg ubottu ati » and « /msg ubottu fglrxmissing » | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | lets check wiki date here | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | 7/2016 not bad | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | 12/2016 for amd | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | looking pretty good | 16:21 |
| ducasse | if only people read and understood the links :) | 16:22 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, thats tricky indeed | 16:23 |
| nacc | i got an ack to update the 14.04 release notes | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | what you mean nacc? | 16:24 |
| nacc | to clarify flgrx support | 16:25 |
| nacc | fglrx :) | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 16:25 |
| ducasse | nacc: "catalyst" was easier to remember and spell :) | 16:27 |
| nacc | heh | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: anything usefull here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver | 16:31 |
| nacc | ah yes htat's good | 16:35 |
| nacc | but it really should have been in the release notes | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | with !radeon triggers forward to !amd | 16:36 |
| lotuspsychje | and !releasenotes goes to xenial right now | 16:36 |
| brunch875 | I just spotted the tiobe index | 16:37 |
| brunch875 | javascript is going up onoooooo | 16:37 |
| brunch875 | I had hoped to see Rust over there | 16:37 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: grrr, really need the latter to be per-release :) | 16:37 |
| brunch875 | but if C is going down so quickly... what is ubuntu being developed on? | 16:37 |
| nacc | go | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: yeah i know.. | 16:38 |
| brunch875 | isn't go interpreted? | 16:38 |
| nacc | brunch875: you can statically compile it, as well | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | brb | 16:38 |
| nacc | brunch875: also, i don't trust any such garbage sites :) the kernel is still in c | 16:38 |
| nacc | brunch875: and 'ubuntu being developed on' is a nonsense question -- every language under the sun | 16:39 |
| brunch875 | ah yes, I know :) | 16:39 |
| brunch875 | but I had Qt in mind | 16:39 |
| brunch875 | which implies C++ for the most part | 16:39 |
| brunch875 | which means performance! | 16:39 |
| brunch875 | since nowadays a lot of applications are developed in javascript, I'm full of fears | 16:40 |
| ducasse | death to electron | 16:40 |
| brunch875 | death to electron! | 16:40 |
| nacc | updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes lotuspsychje | 16:42 |
| nacc | brunch875: i don't know of any end-user applications that are 'developed' in javascript -- do you mean web apps/phone apps? | 16:42 |
| brunch875 | nacc: I was mostly referring to apps such as atom, the discord client or the newest skype | 16:44 |
| nacc | !info atom | 16:44 |
| ubot5 | Package atom does not exist in xenial | 16:44 |
| nacc | !info discord | 16:44 |
| ubot5 | Package discord does not exist in xenial | 16:44 |
| nacc | !info skype | 16:45 |
| ubot5 | Package skype does not exist in xenial | 16:45 |
| brunch875 | haha surely you know what skype is :p | 16:45 |
| nacc | none of those are relevant to 'ubuntu being developed on' | 16:45 |
| nacc | as none are in ubuntu | 16:45 |
| brunch875 | fair enough! But you understand my fear of ubuntu hopping onto this trend, right? | 16:46 |
| nacc | no | 16:47 |
| nacc | you mentioned 3 applications, none of which are in ubuntu | 16:47 |
| nacc | and aren't in zesty either | 16:47 |
| nacc | skype is a web based application, it can possibly be reasonable to write in js | 16:47 |
| nacc | for the web-based client, which is all that will exist eventually | 16:47 |
| nacc | but even then, it's not *all* js | 16:47 |
| nacc | there's still a server side application doing all the heavy lifting | 16:48 |
| nacc | and i feel like you are saying all of ubuntu is some monolithic thing | 16:48 |
| nacc | we still have fortran compilers | 16:48 |
| nacc | and COBOL | 16:48 |
| nacc | so will ubuntu allow you to build your app using whatever junk is out there? | 16:49 |
| nacc | probably | 16:49 |
| brunch875 | what I feel like is ubuntu is mostly a performing operating system | 16:49 |
| nacc | will ubuntu ship an app that builds with that junk? if an upstream decides to | 16:49 |
| brunch875 | without excessive overhead | 16:49 |
| nacc | ubuntu does not dictate what upstreams do or do not decide to do | 16:49 |
| brunch875 | who decides what goes on upstream? | 16:49 |
| nacc | ... | 16:50 |
| nacc | upstream? | 16:50 |
| brunch875 | errr lemme rephrase | 16:50 |
| nacc | brunch875: do you know how open source distributions work? :) | 16:50 |
| brunch875 | who decides what upstreams we get? | 16:50 |
| brunch875 | nacc: for the most part, no | 16:50 |
| nacc | brunch875: ah ok | 16:50 |
| nacc | brunch875: upstreams are (generally) distribution agnostic | 16:51 |
| nacc | e.g., a github project | 16:51 |
| nacc | distributions pacakge those upstreams for easy consumability by users | 16:51 |
| nacc | so packagers decide what upstream exist | 16:51 |
| nacc | in ubuntu, almost all of them are from debian | 16:51 |
| brunch875 | so as long as debian doesn't become senile, we're good | 16:52 |
| nacc | ubuntu also does some of its own packaging and goes ahead of debian, where debian's rules might be a bit restrictive | 16:54 |
| nacc | and snaps will change things further | 16:54 |
| ducasse | is appimage support for ubuntu planned? | 16:54 |
| nacc | ducasse: is that a flatpak/snap competitor? | 16:55 |
| ducasse | yep. | 16:55 |
| ducasse | i noticed flatpak support exists, so just curious. | 16:55 |
| nacc | yeah, i htink jbicha got flatpak support in, although in universe (snap support is in main of course) | 16:56 |
| nacc | ducasse: hrm, not seeing it in 17.04, but their site mentions they support ubuntu | 16:58 |
| nacc | ah they have their own .deb :/ | 16:58 |
| ducasse | ah nice :) maybe 17.10, then :) i just noticed it wasn't in zesty here. | 16:58 |
| nacc | https://github.com/probonopd/AppImageKit/issues/339 | 16:59 |
| ducasse | thanks, nacc | 17:00 |
| nacc | looks like debian packaging is forthcoming? | 17:00 |
| nacc | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854902 | 17:00 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 854902 in wnpp "ITP: appimagekit -- package desktop applications as AppImages that run on common Linux-based distributions" [Wishlist,Open] | 17:00 |
| nacc | ducasse: i presume we'd get it automatically after that via sync | 17:00 |
| ducasse | right. sounds reasonable. | 17:01 |
| nacc | i think canonical has a vested interest in snaps; flatpak and appimage and others are competitors, and i think it's all a question of which wins the market share | 17:02 |
| nacc | i don't think it'd be great to have 2 or 3 of these formats out there | 17:02 |
| nacc | i think clear linux has their own as well | 17:02 |
| brunch875 | let us hope one wins clearly | 17:02 |
| ducasse | tbh, i hope it won't be snaps | 17:03 |
| brunch875 | why's that, ducasse? | 17:03 |
| ducasse | flatpak allows anyone to set up a repo and provides the necessary software, not so for snaps. has to be the ubuntu store. | 17:04 |
| davidj | So! Anyone using 17 yet? If so, stable? | 17:04 |
| davidj | 16 has been a shitfest for me, was hoping 17 would be a step up. | 17:04 |
| brunch875 | davidj: Using it. I think I had more crashes in 16 | 17:04 |
| ducasse | davidj: it's been stable here, but so was 16.04/16.10. | 17:05 |
| davidj | Hm. Nothing but crashes for me perpetually. | 17:05 |
| brunch875 | I've only had one single crash and I believe it was my mistake | 17:05 |
| * davidj nods. Well, guess I'll give it a try instead of sincerely contemplating swapping to windows ;) | 17:05 | |
| nacc | ducasse: that will be changing | 17:05 |
| nacc | ducasse: aiui | 17:05 |
| ducasse | nacc: oh? good. | 17:05 |
| nacc | ducasse: yeah, 'on-premise' store | 17:05 |
| brunch875 | I'm a big fan of snaps because on how the plugs seem to work | 17:05 |
| nacc | ducasse: i think you can actually do it already, just requires some setup | 17:06 |
| brunch875 | I only dislike that confinement sometimes goes in the way | 17:06 |
| brunch875 | ie: can't click links on hexchat | 17:07 |
| brunch875 | have to select, copy and paste | 17:07 |
| nacc | with the argument that once it 'just works', confinement is a huge win | 17:07 |
| nacc | brunch875: yeah, i assume that's a *bus issue ? | 17:07 |
| brunch875 | nacc: no idea, never debugged it : | 17:07 |
| brunch875 | but probably | 17:07 |
| nacc | brunch875: the whole desktop side of things is tricky | 17:08 |
| nacc | and snaps/flatpak/etc show how messy desktop has gotten | 17:08 |
| nacc | dependencies not being expressed, etc | 17:08 |
| brunch875 | that's the problem with already developed technologies | 17:08 |
| brunch875 | it's hard to retract from mistakes | 17:08 |
| * nacc wonders if they've fixed the issue where you can't just use two apache-based snaps because they compete for port 80 | 17:08 | |
| brunch875 | I wonder if snaps will ever 'just work' or if confinement will become a never-ending headache | 17:11 |
| brunch875 | where many installation instructions will prompt to "disable confinement" | 17:12 |
| nacc | brunch875: it's only been a year or so :) | 17:13 |
| nacc | brunch875: give it time | 17:13 |
| nacc | brunch875: well of the more aggressive model (UC16) | 17:13 |
| brunch875 | nacc: believe me, I'm already suprised on how good it works | 17:13 |
| brunch875 | otherwise I wouldn't use it over the 'regular' applications | 17:13 |
| nacc | yeah, they have done some amazing work, imo -- some things are way easier | 17:13 |
| nacc | esp. where upstream has owned the application, then you get the latest all the time, if you want (edge channel) | 17:14 |
| brunch875 | heck, I can even drag-and-drop pictures to telegram | 17:14 |
| brunch875 | but then I think about pip3 | 17:15 |
| brunch875 | and I really wonder how's that going to work with snaps | 17:15 |
| davidj | Yay. 17 is already more stable than 16 was for me. Thanks @brunch875 | 17:16 |
| davidj | No graphics issues lingering. Then again, only booted a few moments. Let's see how it fairs :p | 17:16 |
| brunch875 | davidj: already installed? Haha! Don't thank me, thank the developers :p | 17:16 |
| davidj | True, true. | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: didnt know you always was a wiki edit member? | 17:16 |
| davidj | Curious — anyone ever have issues with scroll wheel speeds? Razer synapse. Was going to try imwheel..., just didn't want to have to make a config for every program. | 17:16 |
| * davidj despises tinkering, I think I'm on the wrong OS :/ | 17:17 | |
| lotuspsychje | evening baizon | 17:17 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: the snap list grows by the minute..big list already | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: nice work on the wiki | 17:18 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: np | 17:18 |
| brunch875 | lotuspsychje: how can I check? 'snap find' only shows 4 entries | 17:19 |
| ducasse | brunch875: give it a keyword | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: does the wiki team have a special irc channel? or you subscribed to the mailing? | 17:19 |
| baizon | well hello there lotuspsychje | 17:19 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: i don't think so -- i just asked timo in #ubuntu-devel | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | aha, you got connections nacc, good to know :p | 17:20 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: :) | 17:20 |
| ducasse | brunch875: try 'snap find searchterm' | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/rock-deepin-music-now-available-snap-app | 17:20 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: and i'm a core-dev, so i can help usher fixes in | 17:20 |
| brunch875 | ducasse: yeah, searching for 'a' got me a couple of entries | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: ¨^handy for us wiki edits | 17:21 |
| nacc | not meant to be braggy, meant to be helpful :) | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | we know mate dont worry | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | we are simply the best lol | 17:22 |
| nacc | heh | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychje | time for snap to get that latest snaps search again grrr | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychje | snap find * or something | 17:22 |
| nacc | yeah, i think te biggest issue for snaps is all tooling | 17:23 |
| nacc | snap was broken for a while, and the 'api' keeps changing | 17:23 |
| ducasse | man, the snap 'find' command works in mysterious ways... | 17:23 |
| nacc | it's very much a wip | 17:23 |
| brunch875 | rename it to "snap god" | 17:23 |
| nacc | i think the software GUI thing can also search for snaps, but i'm not sure | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | good ol apt is always stable | 17:23 |
| * nacc found a nice bug in it recently (well not in apt itself, but in ubuntu) | 17:24 | |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: yes it does, and requiers ubuntu one account to install | 17:24 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: right, so you can login to the store, i guess | 17:24 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme test that deepin snap holdon | 17:25 |
| nacc | brunch875: my guess as to the link issue with hexchat, is that, as you say, it requires mediation by someting to say what a link means to hexchat (or hexchat could technically ship their own browser :) | 17:26 |
| nacc | brunch875: in confined mode, that is, since it only sees hexchat (presumably) and its libs in the squashfs it runs in | 17:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yep, deepin-music showsup ubuntu-software | 17:27 |
| brunch875 | oh, so hexchat isn't launching firefox because it doesn't exist | 17:27 |
| brunch875 | witty | 17:27 |
| lotuspsychje | asking my ubuntu one account | 17:27 |
| nacc | brunch875: right, in confined mode, it presumably does not | 17:27 |
| brunch875 | lotuspsychje: I got two snaps and it never asked me for login | 17:27 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: did you install it the sudo way? | 17:28 |
| ducasse | brunch875: only certain ones do | 17:28 |
| nacc | brunch875: i think there was some discussion in #snappy of the equivalent of a 'browser' plug | 17:28 |
| brunch875 | ah I see | 17:28 |
| nacc | or interface | 17:28 |
| nacc | so that you can say, i need a browser to exist (or if it exists, connect me to it) in your snap | 17:28 |
| nacc | and then you send browser requests to it | 17:28 |
| brunch875 | nacc: what about <program>:// urls? | 17:28 |
| nacc | it is interesting how it ends up looking like a massive message-passing thing | 17:28 |
| nacc | brunch875: i don't know any of the details, tbh :) | 17:28 |
| nacc | and what i do recall is out of date quickly it feels like :) | 17:30 |
| * nacc is not on that team directly | 17:30 | |
| lotuspsychje | the new eject exploit oerheks suggested us: https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3246-1/ | 17:40 |
| brunch875 | solution: deprecate optical drives forever | 17:41 |
| lotuspsychje | lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ apt-cache policy eject | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | eject: | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | Geïnstalleerd: 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1ubuntu0.16.04.1 | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | im good :p | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | !info eject xenial | 17:44 |
| ubot5 | eject (source: eject): ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Linux. In component main, is important. Version 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 23 kB, installed size 152 kB | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah its true that generic guy is here all day..not sure who or what solved or not... | 17:47 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: ah ok, thanks! | 17:48 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: asking 10 questions/minute... | 17:48 |
| lotuspsychje | sometimes i have irc dejavu's of usernames that keep comming back with all the same questions lol | 17:48 |
| nacc | Dreaman is on my hitlist right now (mentally) | 17:49 |
| lotuspsychje | we have nightmares of crazytux alias wildpenguin lol | 17:49 |
| nacc | lol | 17:49 |
| lotuspsychje | think im gonna write a blacklist | 17:50 |
| ducasse | my personal 'favorite' has to be crazytux, yes | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 17:50 |
| ducasse | he deserves a ban soon :-/ | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah its like that jackal movie | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | keeps comming back with other personalitys | 17:51 |
| ducasse | every single time he produces output he admits it's from mint, kali or whatever | 17:51 |
| lotuspsychje | he will make a big mistake soon ducasse, we will grab him :p | 17:51 |
| ducasse | lol | 17:52 |
| ducasse | "one day you will go too far, and we will be there waiting..." | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | and laughing | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: thats my life MOTD, positive revenge karma | 17:53 |
| lotuspsychje | you cant keep fooling ppl, one day its your turn | 17:54 |
| ducasse | true | 17:54 |
| lotuspsychje | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/03/28/battlestar-solution/ | 17:57 |
| lotuspsychje | interesting...as IOT grows, ddos attacks will also | 17:58 |
| nacc | absolutely true | 17:58 |
| nacc | esp. once a vulnerability is found | 17:58 |
| nacc | every networked fridge in america will become a massive botnet :) | 17:58 |
| nacc | e.g. :) | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | your vulnerable fridge or microwave | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 17:59 |
| nacc | and rolling out fixes will be ... tricky | 17:59 |
| nacc | as the router is also IOTish | 17:59 |
| nacc | and if it's also been hacked, you can fake the update | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | r00ters love 24/7 things and will always hunt them | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | so those ubuntu core mobo's better come fast everywhere | 18:00 |
| nacc | heh | 18:01 |
| lotuspsychje | Ingenic: good evening, welcome | 18:03 |
| Ingenic | hello | 18:03 |
| lotuspsychje | !grep | 18:05 |
| ubot5 | grep is a command-line tool that finds a string in a file or a stream. Grep can be recursive through directories and searches can be simple or complex. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep | 18:05 |
| lotuspsychje | triggers getting better and better | 18:07 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone looking for the xp feeling? lol http://www.noobslab.com/2017/03/give-windows-xp-look-to-your-ubuntu.html | 18:15 |
| nacc | lol | 18:16 |
| lotuspsychje | nostalgic | 18:16 |
| Ingenic | I try to forget that xp is still used in important places | 18:25 |
| Ingenic | like banks | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | brrr | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | Ingenic: is there any windows thats safe in use? | 18:26 |
| lotuspsychje | my early xenial testing: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242 | 18:27 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-601374206 | 18:27 |
| Ingenic | lotuspsychje: probably not, but there's definitely better than xp hahaha | 18:28 |
| lotuspsychje | Ingenic: i think many countries still run windows ME, 98 and old server versions | 18:28 |
| lotuspsychje | think china, taiwan,korea | 18:29 |
| Ingenic | lotuspsychje: oh god, that can't be good | 18:29 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930 | 18:29 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: why wouldn't they pirate later versions given that they don't exactly purchase licenses anyway? | 18:31 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: indeed | 18:32 |
| ducasse | hungry cat incoming, better serve dinner asap :) | 18:36 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:37 |
| lotuspsychje | bon apetit cat! | 18:37 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: speaking of the devil; new article in belgium hackers break in a IOT fridge, once their on the network they open the electric garage gate and steal it all | 18:38 |
| lotuspsychje | spokesman warns: dont leave the default login:pass on your fridge lol | 18:39 |
| nacc | lol | 18:39 |
| ducasse | well, duh. | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | we aint seen nothing yet guys | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ive been warning ppl not to use online banking on smartphones for like 5 years now | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | now they come with online paying on smartphones just everywhere.. | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | push a button and you bought it... | 18:41 |
| lotuspsychje | crazy world | 18:42 |
| lotuspsychje | someone looses his android phone, the thief can pay stuff anywhere | 19:01 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20170327154910861 | 19:06 |
| lotuspsychje | IoT articles showing up everywhere now lol | 19:06 |
| pauljw | scary stuff | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | certainly knowing alot of cheap IoT devices will get sold that are highly vulnerable on weak Oses | 19:09 |
| pauljw | yep, to people that have no idea about the risks and how to implement network security. | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | its a weird thought, burglers are now half-crackers lol..a cowbar and a laptop | 19:11 |
| pauljw | heheh... | 19:11 |
| lotuspsychje | howdy acheron-a & Wirehunter | 19:11 |
| acheron-a | hello lotuspsychje | 19:12 |
| Wirehunter | Hi, good evening | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | hi yobagme | 19:14 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: your the uefi wizard man! | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | good to have you here :p | 19:20 |
| acheron-a | the whole UEFI was an intel thing but then M$ for involved and forced BIOS makers to make changes for windows 8 and 8.1 and now there is complete irregular implementation of it because of that | 19:25 |
| acheron-a | for involved = got involved | 19:26 |
| lotuspsychje | i hope in the future more brands will choose barebones and leave the user the choice | 19:26 |
| lotuspsychje | forcing users with a specific Os is so wrong | 19:28 |
| acheron-a | even from the same MB maker just a difference in the model of MB, i can find variances in the implementation, some makers just gave up and caved to M$ and just left a legacy BIOS setting for everybody else | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: :P | 19:28 |
| acheron-a | and some don't even have that | 19:29 |
| acheron-a | so this causing real problems for Linux installs | 19:29 |
| acheron-a | especially on MB designed in the Win 8.1 era | 19:31 |
| Ingenic | yeah, they're forcing Linux users onto older hardware | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | alot of workarounds to install linux on machines :p | 19:32 |
| acheron-a | the newer GigaByte are pretty good | 19:33 |
| acheron-a | i wish people would publish a list or have a blog on what works and what doesn't and for what distro | 19:33 |
| acheron-a | HP has a fairly clean UEFI since they are a big Red Hat and SuSe partner | 19:35 |
| Ingenic | My Lenovo has been pretty accepting of most distros too | 19:36 |
| lotuspsychje | laterz guys, takeover the support | 19:41 |
| acheron-a | so are the newer Dells | 19:41 |
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