[03:06] <acheron-a> ;)
[03:52] <Bashing-om> eyes are crossing ! Time !
[03:53] <acheron-a> hello again bash
[03:53] <acheron-a> time for sleep?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> new xenial kernel
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> 75mb update this morning / new kernel
[05:15] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> morning philipballew
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> morning acheron-a & glebihan
[05:45] <acheron-a> hello lotuspsychje
[06:08] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ & lordievader
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> you guys all sleep well?
[06:09] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[06:10] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:10] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^
[06:10] <lordievader> Quite okay.
[06:10] <lordievader> You?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> morning BobbyJr
[06:31] <ducasse> hi all
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> all ok in norway?
[06:39] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: all good, thanks. how are you today?
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> great here ducasse
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> 5 days off
[06:43] <ducasse> ahh, nice. any plans, or just relax?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: and enjoying the weather
[06:47] <ducasse> 22 package updates for zesty today, getting closer to release...
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 75mb on xenial here
[06:52] <ducasse> that was with a kernel update? i got that on yakkety but not zesty.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernels-4-10-6-4-9-18-lts-and-4-4-57-lts-released-with-updated-drivers-514312.shtml
[07:18] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: btw, i applied for membership in the wiki team, but haven't heard anything yet. i wrote up some stuff for the grep page, maybe i can submit it to someone in #ubuntu-doc?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cool, but not sure those guys are alive there
[07:20] <ducasse> i don't even know if that is where the wiki people hang out, or if that's for things like the server guide etc
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: perhaps the mailing list or so?
[07:21] <ducasse> which one? the launchpad page for the wiki team says there isn't one...
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[07:23] <ducasse> i can try contacting the admins, ask if i can just finish it up and submit it to them.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> cant find neither
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> ah
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact
[07:25] <ducasse> not the same team :)
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> ah
[07:26] <ducasse> aha, seems they use the same mailing list. i'll subscribe to that :)
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> lets hope its a bit active
[07:28] <ducasse> easy to check...
[07:29] <ducasse> seems quite busy.
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/rock-deepin-music-now-available-snap-app
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> handy stuff those snaps
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> http://fossforce.com/2017/03/fedex-will-pay-5-install-flash-machine/
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> wth?
[08:55] <ducasse> lol
[10:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:20] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, just as you arrive traffic picks up again, after over an hour quiet :)
[10:21] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse ...am i being followed ? :-)
[10:22] <ducasse> quick, cloak your traffic with tor! ;)
[10:24] <BluesKaj> I am cloaked , but it's slow to enable hence the IP leak
[10:26] <BluesKaj> I've noticed that bug for a while
[10:26] <BluesKaj> I'm not concerned tho
[10:27] <ducasse> i hadn't noticed, actually. not that i really care.
[10:29] <BluesKaj> suppose if I was concerned I could connect via vpn
[10:31] <ducasse> i could as well, i really should use my pia subscription more. i'm not getting my money out of it as it is, i hardly use it.
[10:31] <BluesKaj> tor isn't my much to my liking
[10:32] <BluesKaj> PIA is cheap tho and worth the money
[10:33] <ducasse> not a tor fan either, no need for it.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> my renewal comes up in 2 weeks
[10:34] <ducasse> mine is just around new year, as i got my first year as a christmas present. easy to remember :)
[10:39] <BluesKaj> some servers are better than others IME , at least here in NA, haven't used many of the euro or asian servers
[10:43] <ducasse> i get really good speeds from the euro servers, only slightly less than with no vpn.
[10:44] <BluesKaj> my dsl is quite slow do I don't notice any difference at all
[10:44] <BluesKaj> do=so
[10:45] <BluesKaj> but I have plenty of time
[10:45] <ducasse> got some good news from my isp yesterday, they've increased my tier with 30mbps, and from next month hbo nordic will be included in my subscription at no extra charge.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> nice :-)
[10:49] <ducasse> plus they've included their own streaming thing. not too much interesting stuff there, but some, and it's free :)
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:56] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> sunny weather over here
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/stacer-ubuntu-system-cleaner-update
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> pretty nice app, too bad its not in our repos
[12:05] <BluesKaj> autoclean autoremove ftw
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome ikevin
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[12:06] <ikevin> ty
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> ikevin: here is where we discuss topics, to serve #ubuntu better
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: indeed, a bit like bleachbit also a GUI for autoclean etc
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> ikevin: what distro are you on?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> i have a lot of my regular commands aliased so a gui is not needed
[12:08] <ikevin> lotuspsychje, i use mint for work and ubuntu for personnal use
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: same here, but some new users might like GUI apps like that, looks pretty neat that stacer
[12:08] <ikevin> i've some servers on ubuntu server and debian too
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> ikevin: LTS or non-lts?
[12:09] <ikevin> non lts, i always update to the last stable
[12:09] <ikevin> so, for servers i use lts
[12:09] <ikevin> but*
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> ikevin: cool! mint as personal choice, or your work, works with it by default?
[12:10] <ikevin> personnal choice, i'm the founder of my compagny
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> oh nice, what do you do ikevin?
[12:11] <ikevin> i'm developper
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> neat
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> i wonder what munich will do now..stick to ubuntu or leave to windows again
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/government
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/
[12:18] <BluesKaj> costs plenty in man hours and money to switch OSs on that scale
[12:19] <ikevin> in some case it need some specifics software to be developped
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: true, but i wonder how safe the network is when staying years on broken windows boxesµ
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> howdy brunch875
[12:24] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, the switch to MS is really unfortunate, there must be a lot of pressure by MS lobbyists in Bonn and Berlin, not just Munich. It's very disappointing. :/
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah think so too
[12:26] <BluesKaj> the MS anti viruses companies are gonna gave a field day now
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> perhaps they should have chosen vanilla ubuntu instead of limux
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> afternoon pavlushka
[12:31] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I think the Munich city council will more than regret their decision , W10 is an awful OS
[12:31] <pavlushka> afternoon lotuspsychje :)
[12:31] <pavlushka> lol
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> pavlushka: you joined at the right time :p
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: it sure is, we will follow its developments in germany
[12:33] <pavlushka> lotuspsychje: that's I am, the person who joins at the right time :p
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: !
[12:33] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I'm sure you'll keep us informed :-)
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: my eyes are pointed to the latest daily :p
[12:34] <OerHeks> hello hello :-)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> hey OerHeks
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> just on time for some ubuntu vanilla coffee with a !cookie
[12:36] <pauljw> hi OerHeks
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> for those who didnt see this mornings url: wth..http://fossforce.com/2017/03/fedex-will-pay-5-install-flash-machine/
[12:37]  * lotuspsychje is grabbing 5$ greedy :p
[12:51] <ducasse> they would need to add some zeroes behind that to get me to install flash on my systems :)
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> wahaha
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> install flash and get 10 exploits free with it
[13:11] <brunch875> damn
[13:14] <ikevin> lotuspsychje, + some freeze :p
[13:21] <pauljw> brb
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> wildpenguin = crazytux?
[13:52] <ducasse> i was wondering exactly the same thing.
[13:52] <OerHeks> something like that
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> smells like troll :p
[13:53] <ducasse> "i've installed mate and now i want lubuntu" sounds all too familiar
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:54] <OerHeks> he is on kali.
[13:54] <ducasse> he said mate earlier, but he knows well enough what we support...
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> i surely saw him changing nicks before
[13:56] <OerHeks> ♫ lonely people
[13:56] <ducasse> from...? too lazy to check.
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 14 09:44:24 * WildPenguin is now known as CrazyTux
[13:58] <ducasse> surprise...
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> @1127 http://her0.be/index.php?action=logfile&date=20170114
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> #debian and #ubuntu troll installing mate, 16.10,lubuntu and kali lol
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> afternoon acheron-a
[14:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: should we ask for lsb-release output?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: perhaps he will outsmart us?
[14:02] <acheron-a> hello lotuspsychje
[14:02] <ducasse> maybe, maybe not.
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: maybe trick him with cat issue lol
[14:03] <ducasse> i'll wait until he asks something.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> great
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> no luck, he left :p
[14:05] <ducasse> i noticed.
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> bbl sunwalk
[14:08] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: enjoy! :)
[15:50] <OerHeks> Update your "Eject" package. Eject could be made to run programs as an administrator. Affects versions: 12.04 LTS, 14.04 LTS, 16.04 LTS, and 16.10
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> !info eject
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> we should have up to date !nvidia & !amd/ati triggers when things change on ubuntu versions
[16:14] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, that would be good
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> all the explaining we need to do right now
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> !amd
[16:19] <nacc> this is alsowhere the hwe gets users confused
[16:19] <nacc> 14.04.5 is an archive snapshot and a kerenl/X stack
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> right
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> amd trigger seems updated
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> lets check wiki date here
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> 7/2016 not bad
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> 12/2016 for amd
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> looking pretty good
[16:22] <ducasse> if only people read and understood the links :)
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah, thats tricky indeed
[16:23] <nacc> i got an ack to update the 14.04 release notes
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> what you mean nacc?
[16:25] <nacc> to clarify flgrx support
[16:25] <nacc> fglrx :)
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> kk
[16:27] <ducasse> nacc: "catalyst" was easier to remember and spell :)
[16:28] <nacc> heh
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> nacc: anything usefull here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[16:35] <nacc> ah yes htat's good
[16:35] <nacc> but it really should have been in the release notes
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> with !radeon triggers forward to !amd
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> and !releasenotes goes to xenial right now
[16:37] <brunch875> I just spotted the tiobe index
[16:37] <brunch875> javascript is going up onoooooo
[16:37] <brunch875> I had hoped to see Rust over there
[16:37] <nacc> lotuspsychje: grrr, really need the latter to be per-release :)
[16:37] <brunch875> but if C is going down so quickly... what is ubuntu being developed on?
[16:38] <nacc> go
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> nacc: yeah i know..
[16:38] <brunch875> isn't go interpreted?
[16:38] <nacc> brunch875: you can statically compile it, as well
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> brb
[16:38] <nacc> brunch875: also, i don't trust any such garbage sites :) the kernel is still in c
[16:39] <nacc> brunch875: and 'ubuntu being developed on' is a nonsense question -- every language under the sun
[16:39] <brunch875> ah yes, I know :)
[16:39] <brunch875> but I had Qt in mind
[16:39] <brunch875> which implies C++ for the most part
[16:39] <brunch875> which means performance!
[16:40] <brunch875> since nowadays a lot of applications are developed in javascript, I'm full of fears
[16:40] <ducasse> death to electron
[16:40] <brunch875> death to electron!
[16:42] <nacc> updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes lotuspsychje
[16:42] <nacc> brunch875: i don't know of any end-user applications that are 'developed' in javascript -- do you mean web apps/phone apps?
[16:44] <brunch875> nacc: I was mostly referring to apps such as atom, the discord client or the newest skype
[16:44] <nacc> !info atom
[16:44] <nacc> !info discord
[16:45] <nacc> !info skype
[16:45] <brunch875> haha surely you know what skype is :p
[16:45] <nacc> none of those are relevant to 'ubuntu being developed on'
[16:45] <nacc> as none are in ubuntu
[16:46] <brunch875> fair enough! But you understand my fear of ubuntu hopping onto this trend, right?
[16:47] <nacc> no
[16:47] <nacc> you mentioned 3 applications, none of which are in ubuntu
[16:47] <nacc> and aren't in zesty either
[16:47] <nacc> skype is a web based application, it can possibly be reasonable to write in js
[16:47] <nacc> for the web-based client, which is all that will exist eventually
[16:47] <nacc> but even then, it's not *all* js
[16:48] <nacc> there's still a server side application doing all the heavy lifting
[16:48] <nacc> and i feel like you are saying all of ubuntu is some monolithic thing
[16:48] <nacc> we still have fortran compilers
[16:48] <nacc> and COBOL
[16:49] <nacc> so will ubuntu allow you to build your app using whatever junk is out there?
[16:49] <nacc> probably
[16:49] <brunch875> what I feel like is ubuntu is mostly a performing operating system
[16:49] <nacc> will ubuntu ship an app that builds with that junk? if an upstream decides to
[16:49] <brunch875> without excessive overhead
[16:49] <nacc> ubuntu does not dictate what upstreams do or do not decide to do
[16:49] <brunch875> who decides what goes on upstream?
[16:50] <nacc> ...
[16:50] <nacc> upstream?
[16:50] <brunch875> errr lemme rephrase
[16:50] <nacc> brunch875: do you know how open source distributions work? :)
[16:50] <brunch875> who decides what upstreams we get?
[16:50] <brunch875> nacc: for the most part, no
[16:50] <nacc> brunch875: ah ok
[16:51] <nacc> brunch875: upstreams are (generally) distribution agnostic
[16:51] <nacc> e.g., a github project
[16:51] <nacc> distributions pacakge those upstreams for easy consumability by users
[16:51] <nacc> so packagers decide what upstream exist
[16:51] <nacc> in ubuntu, almost all of them are from debian
[16:52] <brunch875> so as long as debian doesn't become senile, we're good
[16:54] <nacc> ubuntu also does some of its own packaging and goes ahead of debian, where debian's rules might be a bit restrictive
[16:54] <nacc> and snaps will change things further
[16:54] <ducasse> is appimage support for ubuntu planned?
[16:55] <nacc> ducasse: is that a flatpak/snap competitor?
[16:55] <ducasse> yep.
[16:55] <ducasse> i noticed flatpak support exists, so just curious.
[16:56] <nacc> yeah,  i htink jbicha got flatpak support in, although in universe (snap support is in main of course)
[16:58] <nacc> ducasse: hrm, not seeing it in 17.04, but their site mentions they support ubuntu
[16:58] <nacc> ah they have their own .deb :/
[16:58] <ducasse> ah nice :) maybe 17.10, then :) i just noticed it wasn't in zesty here.
[16:59] <nacc> https://github.com/probonopd/AppImageKit/issues/339
[17:00] <ducasse> thanks, nacc
[17:00] <nacc> looks like debian packaging is forthcoming?
[17:00] <nacc> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854902
[17:00] <nacc> ducasse: i presume we'd get it automatically after that via sync
[17:01] <ducasse> right. sounds reasonable.
[17:02] <nacc> i think canonical has a vested interest in snaps; flatpak and appimage and others are competitors, and i think it's all a question of which wins the market share
[17:02] <nacc> i don't think it'd be great to have 2 or 3 of these formats out there
[17:02] <nacc> i think clear linux has their own as well
[17:02] <brunch875> let us hope one wins clearly
[17:03] <ducasse> tbh, i hope it won't be snaps
[17:03] <brunch875> why's that, ducasse?
[17:04] <ducasse> flatpak allows anyone to set up a repo and provides the necessary software, not so for snaps. has to be the ubuntu store.
[17:04] <davidj> So! Anyone using 17 yet? If so, stable?
[17:04] <davidj> 16 has been a shitfest for me, was hoping 17 would be a step up.
[17:04] <brunch875> davidj: Using it. I think I had more crashes in 16
[17:05] <ducasse> davidj: it's been stable here, but so was 16.04/16.10.
[17:05] <davidj> Hm. Nothing but crashes for me perpetually.
[17:05] <brunch875> I've only had one single crash and I believe it was my mistake
[17:05]  * davidj nods. Well, guess I'll give it a try instead of sincerely contemplating swapping to windows ;)
[17:05] <nacc> ducasse: that will be changing
[17:05] <nacc> ducasse: aiui
[17:05] <ducasse> nacc: oh? good.
[17:05] <nacc> ducasse: yeah, 'on-premise' store
[17:05] <brunch875> I'm a big fan of snaps because on how the plugs seem to work
[17:06] <nacc> ducasse: i think you can actually do it already, just requires some setup
[17:06] <brunch875> I only dislike that confinement sometimes goes in the way
[17:07] <brunch875> ie: can't click links on hexchat
[17:07] <brunch875> have to select, copy and paste
[17:07] <nacc> with the argument that once it 'just works', confinement is a huge win
[17:07] <nacc> brunch875: yeah, i assume that's a *bus issue ?
[17:07] <brunch875> nacc: no idea, never debugged it :
[17:07] <brunch875> but probably
[17:08] <nacc> brunch875: the whole desktop side of things is tricky
[17:08] <nacc> and snaps/flatpak/etc show how messy desktop has gotten
[17:08] <nacc> dependencies not being expressed, etc
[17:08] <brunch875> that's the problem with already developed technologies
[17:08] <brunch875> it's hard to retract from mistakes
[17:08]  * nacc wonders if they've fixed the issue where you can't just use two apache-based snaps because they compete for port 80
[17:11] <brunch875> I wonder if snaps will ever 'just work' or if confinement will become a never-ending headache
[17:12] <brunch875> where many installation instructions will prompt to "disable confinement"
[17:13] <nacc> brunch875: it's only been a year or so :)
[17:13] <nacc> brunch875: give it time
[17:13] <nacc> brunch875: well of the more aggressive model (UC16)
[17:13] <brunch875> nacc: believe me, I'm already suprised on how good it works
[17:13] <brunch875> otherwise I wouldn't use it over the 'regular' applications
[17:13] <nacc> yeah, they have done some amazing work, imo -- some things are way easier
[17:14] <nacc> esp. where upstream has owned the application, then you get the latest all the time, if you want (edge channel)
[17:14] <brunch875> heck, I can even drag-and-drop pictures to telegram
[17:15] <brunch875> but then I think about pip3
[17:15] <brunch875> and I really wonder how's that going to work with snaps
[17:16] <davidj> Yay. 17 is already more stable than 16 was for me. Thanks @brunch875
[17:16] <davidj> No graphics issues lingering. Then again, only booted a few moments. Let's see how it fairs :p
[17:16] <brunch875> davidj: already installed? Haha! Don't thank me, thank the developers :p
[17:16] <davidj> True, true.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> nacc: didnt know you always was a wiki edit member?
[17:16] <davidj> Curious — anyone ever have issues with scroll wheel speeds? Razer synapse. Was going to try imwheel..., just didn't want to have to make a config for every program.
[17:17]  * davidj despises tinkering, I think I'm on the wrong OS :/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: the snap list grows by the minute..big list already
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> nacc: nice work on the wiki
[17:18] <nacc> lotuspsychje: np
[17:19] <brunch875> lotuspsychje: how can I check? 'snap find' only shows 4 entries
[17:19] <ducasse> brunch875: give it a keyword
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> nacc: does the wiki team have a special irc channel? or you subscribed to the mailing?
[17:19] <baizon> well hello there lotuspsychje
[17:19] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i don't think so -- i just asked timo in #ubuntu-devel
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> aha, you got connections nacc, good to know :p
[17:20] <nacc> lotuspsychje: :)
[17:20] <ducasse> brunch875: try 'snap find searchterm'
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/rock-deepin-music-now-available-snap-app
[17:20] <nacc> lotuspsychje: and i'm a core-dev, so i can help usher fixes in
[17:20] <brunch875> ducasse: yeah, searching for 'a' got me a couple of entries
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ¨^handy for us wiki edits
[17:21] <nacc> not meant to be braggy, meant to be helpful :)
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> we know mate dont worry
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> we are simply the best lol
[17:22] <nacc> heh
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> time for snap to get that latest snaps search again grrr
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> snap find * or something
[17:23] <nacc> yeah, i think te biggest issue for snaps is all tooling
[17:23] <nacc> snap was broken for a while, and the 'api' keeps changing
[17:23] <ducasse> man, the snap 'find' command works in mysterious ways...
[17:23] <nacc> it's very much a wip
[17:23] <brunch875> rename it to "snap god"
[17:23] <nacc> i think the software GUI thing can also search for snaps, but i'm not sure
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> good ol apt is always stable
[17:24]  * nacc found a nice bug in it recently (well not in apt itself, but in ubuntu)
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> nacc: yes it does, and requiers ubuntu one account to install
[17:24] <nacc> lotuspsychje: right, so you can login to the store, i guess
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lemme test that deepin snap holdon
[17:26] <nacc> brunch875: my guess as to the link issue with hexchat, is that, as you say, it requires mediation by someting to say what a link means to hexchat (or hexchat could technically ship their own browser :)
[17:26] <nacc> brunch875: in confined mode, that is, since it only sees hexchat (presumably) and its libs in the squashfs it runs in
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> yep, deepin-music showsup ubuntu-software
[17:27] <brunch875> oh, so hexchat isn't launching firefox because it doesn't exist
[17:27] <brunch875> witty
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> asking my ubuntu one account
[17:27] <nacc> brunch875: right, in confined mode, it presumably does not
[17:27] <brunch875> lotuspsychje: I got two snaps and it never asked me for login
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: did you install it the sudo way?
[17:28] <ducasse> brunch875: only certain ones do
[17:28] <nacc> brunch875: i think there was some discussion in #snappy of the equivalent of a 'browser' plug
[17:28] <brunch875> ah I see
[17:28] <nacc> or interface
[17:28] <nacc> so that you can say, i need a browser to exist (or if it exists, connect me to it) in your snap
[17:28] <nacc> and then you send browser requests to it
[17:28] <brunch875> nacc: what about <program>:// urls?
[17:28] <nacc> it is interesting how it ends up looking like a massive message-passing thing
[17:28] <nacc> brunch875: i don't know any of the details, tbh :)
[17:30] <nacc> and what i do recall is out of date quickly it feels like :)
[17:30]  * nacc is not on that team directly
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> the new eject exploit oerheks suggested us: https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3246-1/
[17:41] <brunch875> solution: deprecate optical drives forever
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ apt-cache policy eject
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> eject:
[17:44] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1ubuntu0.16.04.1
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> im good :p
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> !info eject xenial
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah its true that generic guy is here all day..not sure who or what solved or not...
[17:48] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ah ok, thanks!
[17:48] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: asking 10 questions/minute...
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> sometimes i have irc dejavu's of usernames that keep comming back with all the same questions lol
[17:49] <nacc> Dreaman is on my hitlist right now (mentally)
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> we have nightmares of crazytux alias wildpenguin lol
[17:49] <nacc> lol
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> think im gonna write a blacklist
[17:50] <ducasse> my personal 'favorite' has to be crazytux, yes
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> haha
[17:50] <ducasse> he deserves a ban soon :-/
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah its like that jackal movie
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> keeps comming back with other personalitys
[17:51] <ducasse> every single time he produces output he admits it's from mint, kali or whatever
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> he will make a big mistake soon ducasse, we will grab him :p
[17:52] <ducasse> lol
[17:52] <ducasse> "one day you will go too far, and we will be there waiting..."
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> and laughing
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: thats my life MOTD, positive revenge karma
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> you cant keep fooling ppl, one day its your turn
[17:54] <ducasse> true
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/03/28/battlestar-solution/
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> interesting...as IOT grows, ddos attacks will also
[17:58] <nacc> absolutely true
[17:58] <nacc> esp. once a vulnerability is found
[17:58] <nacc> every networked fridge in america will become a massive botnet :)
[17:59] <nacc> e.g. :)
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> your vulnerable fridge or microwave
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> yep
[17:59] <nacc> and rolling out fixes will be ... tricky
[17:59] <nacc> as the router is also IOTish
[17:59] <nacc> and if it's also been hacked, you can fake the update
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> r00ters love 24/7 things and will always hunt them
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> so those ubuntu core mobo's better come fast everywhere
[18:01] <nacc> heh
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> Ingenic: good evening, welcome
[18:03] <Ingenic> hello
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !grep
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> triggers getting better and better
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> anyone looking for the xp feeling? lol http://www.noobslab.com/2017/03/give-windows-xp-look-to-your-ubuntu.html
[18:16] <nacc> lol
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> nostalgic
[18:25] <Ingenic> I try to forget that xp is still used in important places
[18:25] <Ingenic> like banks
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> brrr
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> Ingenic: is there any windows thats safe in use?
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> my early xenial testing: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-601374206
[18:28] <Ingenic> lotuspsychje: probably not, but there's definitely better than xp hahaha
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Ingenic: i think many countries still run windows ME, 98 and old server versions
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> think china, taiwan,korea
[18:29] <Ingenic> lotuspsychje: oh god, that can't be good
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930
[18:31] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: why wouldn't they pirate later versions given that they don't exactly purchase licenses anyway?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: indeed
[18:36] <ducasse> hungry cat incoming, better serve dinner asap :)
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit cat!
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> nacc: speaking of the devil; new article in belgium hackers break in a IOT fridge, once their on the network they open the electric garage gate and steal it all
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> spokesman warns: dont leave the default login:pass on your fridge lol
[18:39] <nacc> lol
[18:39] <ducasse> well, duh.
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> we aint seen nothing yet guys
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> ive been warning ppl not to use online banking on smartphones for like 5 years now
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> now they come with online paying on smartphones just everywhere..
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> push a button and you bought it...
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> crazy world
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> someone looses his android phone, the thief can pay stuff anywhere
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20170327154910861
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> IoT articles showing up everywhere now lol
[19:08] <pauljw> scary stuff
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> certainly knowing alot of cheap IoT devices will get sold that are highly vulnerable on weak Oses
[19:10] <pauljw> yep, to people that have no idea about the risks and how to implement network security.
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> its a weird thought, burglers are now half-crackers lol..a cowbar and a laptop
[19:11] <pauljw> heheh...
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> howdy acheron-a & Wirehunter
[19:12] <acheron-a> hello lotuspsychje
[19:13] <Wirehunter> Hi, good evening
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> hi yobagme
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: your the uefi wizard man!
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> good to have you here :p
[19:25] <acheron-a> the whole UEFI was an intel thing but then M$ for involved and forced BIOS makers to make changes for windows 8 and 8.1 and now there is complete irregular implementation of it because of that
[19:26] <acheron-a> for involved = got involved
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> i hope in the future more brands will choose barebones and leave the user the choice
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> forcing users with a specific Os is so wrong
[19:28] <acheron-a> even from the same MB maker just a difference in the model of MB, i can find variances in the implementation, some makers just gave up and caved to M$ and just left a legacy BIOS setting for everybody else
[19:28] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: :P
[19:29] <acheron-a> and some don't even have that
[19:29] <acheron-a> so this causing real problems for Linux installs
[19:31] <acheron-a> especially on MB designed in the Win 8.1 era
[19:32] <Ingenic> yeah, they're forcing Linux users onto older hardware
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> alot of workarounds to install linux on machines :p
[19:33] <acheron-a> the newer GigaByte are pretty good
[19:33] <acheron-a> i wish people would publish a list or have a blog on what works and what doesn't and for what distro
[19:35] <acheron-a> HP has a fairly clean UEFI since they are a big Red Hat and SuSe partner
[19:36] <Ingenic> My Lenovo has been pretty accepting of most distros too
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, takeover the support
[19:41] <acheron-a> so are the newer Dells