[01:37] <shakes808> good evening everyone, wanted to know if anyone is doing JAVA dev and what IDEs you are using?
[01:39] <mrgoodcat> does android dev in android studio count?
[01:39] <shakes808> haha, I got that, but looking to do JAVA web dev with a buddy.
[01:40] <shakes808> mrgoodcat: I am going to try a little bit of the Android dev too.  Might as well since I am going to dabble in the JAVA anyways :)
[01:40] <mrgoodcat> java web dev
[01:40] <mrgoodcat> bless your soul
[01:41] <mrgoodcat> using spark?
[01:45] <shakes808> mrgoodcat: http://spark.apache.org/
[01:45] <shakes808> this ?
[01:45] <mrgoodcat> yeap
[01:45] <mrgoodcat> wait no
[01:45] <mrgoodcat> lol
[01:46] <mrgoodcat> http://sparkjava.com/
[01:46] <mrgoodcat> that
[01:57] <shakes808> mrgoodcat: this looks like a framework rather than an IDE
[01:57] <jrwren> there is only JetBrains IDEA as an IDE
[01:57] <jrwren> using eclipse is wrong, don't do it.
[01:57] <jrwren> using netbeans is wrong, don't do it.
[01:58] <shakes808> jrwren: Thank you, I was looking at that, but in order for me to use that, I need to pay the yearly / monthly fee :(  I wouldn't mind paying that if I was making money on my projects ( maybe in the future, but just starting out )
[01:59] <shakes808> jrwen: The CE doesn't support the things that I would need: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/#choose-your-edition
[01:59] <shakes808> I am going to be using Spring framework and that requires the ultimate edition, by this chart I won't have access to it
[02:00] <jrwren> then use vim.
[02:00] <jrwren> or emacs.
[02:00] <jrwren> those are the only 3 choices in my bizaro world.
[02:01] <shakes808> but vi(m) or emacs aren't going to have the intellisense that this noob needs :(
[02:01] <shakes808> or do they have that now?
[02:03] <jrwren> they do!
[02:04] <jrwren> not sure how great the java is, but you'll at least get symbol support.
[02:04] <jrwren> yup... got it: https://github.com/vim-scripts/javacomplete
[02:06] <shakes808> hmm.  might look at that.
[02:06] <shakes808> might try out vim and eclipse
[02:06] <shakes808> looks like eclipse has a few web ides out there too
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> shakes808: yes it is a framework. I was asking if you were using the framework, not suggesting an IDE
[02:16] <shakes808> mrgoodcat: oh, sorry. no we are going to be using spring
[02:49] <cmaloney> i wanted tonlike netbeans, but everything required eclipse
[02:50] <cmaloney> and that was when i decided that java web dev was not for mr
[02:50] <cmaloney> me
[02:54] <shakes808> I think I am going to try the intellij's 30 day free trial, and then move to eclipse.  If I truely think that I need intellij after that, then I will pay for it, :|
[02:54] <shakes808> but if i can do everything in eclipse after that, then free it is :)
[02:54] <cmaloney> blergh
[02:54] <shakes808> but on that note, have a good night.
[02:55] <cmaloney> night!
[13:46] <cmaloney> morning
[13:46] <_stink_> yo
[13:47] <rick_h> morning and such
[13:53] <widox> morning
[15:18] <greg-g> yawn
[15:34] <rick_h> +1
[15:36] <cmaloney> Understandable
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> oh god
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> eclipse
[17:48] <rick_h> doh, time to run