[06:15] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[06:15] <Kilos> hi anirbaan welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:16] <anirbaan> Hello Kilos, thanks :)
[06:16] <anirbaan> Kilos: and How are you today ?
[06:17] <Kilos> oh my you know me, hehe, i am ok ty just got a thumping headache. how and who are you
[06:50] <nsnzero> morning all 
[07:28] <inetpro> bonjour
[07:28] <inetpro> Ubuntu Linux 17.04 'Zesty Zapus' Final Beta now available for download
[08:21] <Kilos> hi nsnzero and inetpro 
[08:33] <nsnzero> morning Kilos & inetpro 
[08:36] <nsnzero> i have a strange problem - i need to access a .mdb file on a local network - i can access it from a computer in another room but is it amazing slow - but if i swap the file onto the slow computer and try to access from the first pc its accessing fast again - its the same network distance through the same routers / switches 
[08:37] <nsnzero> all the pc's are i5 and have the sames specs 
[08:39] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[08:39] <Kilos> again hehe
[08:39] <nsnzero> hi again Kilos - why not ... lol 
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <K_K_N> hi all
[08:49] <nsnzero> now the girls that works with the system believes that the delay is caused by the slow computer being in the second storey building - her explanation is that things take longer going up than down 
[08:49] <nsnzero> hi K_K_N 
[08:50] <K_K_N> hi nsnzero 
[08:50] <K_K_N> and Hi Kilos
[08:52] <K_K_N> nsnzero, I am not understanding you question 100% but let me see if I got it you are on Computer A and trying to access .mdb on computer B but its "amazing slow" (lol) but when you try to access .mdb file on Computer A from computer B its fast again?
[08:55] <K_K_N> oh wait you said "but is it amazing slow"
[08:55] <K_K_N> well no idea nsnzero you should be able to tell us if that is amazing or not
[08:55] <K_K_N> LOL
[08:55] <K_K_N> hahaha
[08:56] <K_K_N> ok jokes aside
[08:56] <K_K_N> did I get your question correct?
[08:56] <nsnzero> yip its amazing and slow at the same time - quantum physical applies hear 
[08:56] <K_K_N> lol
[08:56] <nsnzero> why is my english so bad this morning 
[08:58] <K_K_N> but they on the same network in the same building and both have the exact same network cards as well?
[09:00] <nsnzero> the are all the same - i just swapped the location of the file 
[09:00] <K_K_N> what response times do you get when you ping from machine A to B and vice versa?
[09:01] <nsnzero> all pings > 1ms - these are windows pcs btw
[09:01] <K_K_N> do they both take the same network route when accessing each other maybe one of the machines deciding to divert its route take a few extra hops to another router and then back again?
[09:02] <K_K_N> ah windows there is your first problem there...HAHAHAHA
[09:02] <K_K_N> LOL
[09:03] <K_K_N> has it always been like this or is it just today?
[09:04] <K_K_N> tracert from A to B then from B to A and check what happens
[09:04] <K_K_N> also are there other users accessing the file on machine B while you trying to access it maybe that could be the reason why its slow?
[09:05] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos hoe gaan dit?
[09:05] <K_K_N> you could also check the what processes are running on each machine
[09:05] <Langjan> and hi to all
[09:05] <K_K_N> maybe the slow one has extra processes running
[09:06] <K_K_N> hi Langjan
[09:06] <Langjan> hi K_K_N 
[09:06] <MaNI> one of the ethernet cards set to half duplex or something?
[09:06] <K_K_N> btw nsnzero forgot to ask are these just desktop computers or servers?
[09:10] <nsnzero> all networks report they are connected at 100mb
[09:10] <K_K_N> I think MaNI may be on to something nsnzero, or the one machine has network priority set for other processes and is very low for accessing the database
[09:11] <MaNI> alternatively a rotuing problem as K_K_N said (check the tracert) - or potentially an IP address conflict?
[09:11] <nsnzero> then shouldnt't it be slow both ways 
[09:13] <K_K_N> hmm... I think you may have a point but only if the tracert for both machines are the same but on one the output should be the reverse of the other
[09:14] <K_K_N> but if they the same then I am thinking network has been prioritized for other processes but before I jump to conclusions how is the speed when you try accessing other files?
[09:16] <MaNI> could also be really bad disk read speeds on the one machine, haha
[09:17] <nsnzero> so far i disabled ip6 and disconnected all other computers = same results 
[09:18] <nsnzero> the up hill theory sounds quiet feasible now
[09:19] <K_K_N> lol
[09:23] <K_K_N> have you checked running processes on the slow one? also I have read that windows sometimes automatically prioritizes certain network processes cause I had issues once with my machine that some stuff were connecting and others were not or were extremely slow although I am not sure whether following any of the online help actually worked cause it had no change for me and then eventually seemed to resolve itself
[09:24] <K_K_N> so one could argue that the changes worked but I argue then why did it not make a difference when I rebooted immediately after the changes
[09:25] <K_K_N> only after a few days after I just decided to give it a break
[09:26] <K_K_N> it started to work the way I wanted it too
[09:32] <nsnzero> i will keep tinkering with it K_K_N - lets see if it can be solved 
[09:33] <K_K_N> nsnzero, ok cool
[09:33] <K_K_N> let us know how it goes
[09:33] <nsnzero> will do 
[10:06] <inetpro> 03/28 11:02:36 <K_K_N> ah windows there is your first problem there...HAHAHAHA
[10:07] <inetpro> nsnzero: good luck with the tinkering :-)
[12:12] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon guys
[12:30] <chesedo> afternoon all
[12:30] <chesedo> inetpro: guess what?
[12:31] <inetpro> chesedo: meeting time again?
[12:31] <inetpro> hi chesedo
[12:35] <chesedo> inetpro: yea, will you do the tweet please?
[12:35]  * chesedo just did the list and g+
[12:37] <pavlushka> afternoon inetpro chesedo and ChanServ :p
[13:11] <chesedo> Hi pavlushka 
[13:11] <pavlushka> too late :p
[14:11] <qwebirc89456> Gooday
[14:13] <qwebirc89456> I am looking to broswe the dark web tonight looking for some information because my compnay has been mentioned a few times in scary parts of the internet. Can anyone direct me?
[14:13] <qwebirc89456> The people whio gave me this information are looking for more than R150k just to share the information 
[14:26] <Kilos-> qwebirc89456 be patient, someone should be able to advise you 
[14:26] <Kilos-> and welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:28] <chesedo> qwebirc89456: you will use the Tor browser to access the dark web
[14:29] <chesedo> And doing it in a VM will also be a good idea
[14:32] <chesedo> Although afaik the dark web is segmented (in many pieces) so you will need luck to be in the piece where your company is mentioned
[14:33] <chesedo> Others may be able to enlighten more
[14:35] <qwebirc89456> I am going to be in Ubuntu then install a Windows VM machine 
[16:36] <nsnzero> evening K_K_N 
[17:40] <inetpro> Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: are we having a meeting?
[18:07] <Kilos> hmm... i think so
[18:08] <Kilos> hi Plushmaniac welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:08] <Kilos> smile dont play games here with my old head man
[18:08] <smile> hehe
[18:08]  * inetpro wonders whether chesedo is ready for the meeting
[18:09] <inetpro> smile: wb
[18:09] <smile> thanks. I was Plusheen for a while.
[18:09] <Kilos> im falling asleep already
[18:09] <inetpro> superfly: are you with us today?
[18:09] <Kilos> here you are smile
[18:09] <Kilos> so stay smile here
[18:09] <smile> I can't promise
[18:09] <Kilos> :-)
[18:16] <inetpro> wb nsnzero
[18:16] <inetpro> oops
[18:16] <inetpro> wb nsnzero
[18:17] <nsnzero> hi inetpro and thanks 
[18:17] <inetpro> Meeting in less than 15 min
[18:17] <inetpro> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170328
[18:18] <nsnzero> roger that inetpro 
[18:21] <smile> inetpro: meeting? again?
[18:21] <smile> Stop meeting and get stuff done
[18:21] <inetpro> smile: that's why we have you here
[18:22] <smile> I don't do a lot for the ubuntu-za project specifically
[18:23] <chesedo> inetpro: isn't that bonjour?
[18:24] <inetpro> chesedo: I have no idea :-)
[18:24]  * inetpro is still learning French
[18:24] <chesedo> Maaz: announce Meeting in 5
[18:24] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting in 5
[18:25] <chesedo> inetpro: interesting... how are you learning (method wise)?
[18:26]  * chesedo last conducted the meeting in sept he sees
[18:26] <inetpro> chesedo: https://www.duolingo.com/
[18:27] <inetpro> quite cool actually, but I'm a real beginner
[18:27] <chesedo> yeah, the same thing that i use(d)
[18:28] <chesedo> inetpro: which level you at?
[18:28] <inetpro> 6%
[18:28] <nsnzero> wee wee 
[18:29] <nlsthzn> oui
[18:29] <inetpro> chesedo: wish they had local languages there already
[18:29] <inetpro> hi nlsthzn
[18:29]  * chesedo did not know it had percentage measures
[18:29] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:29] <chesedo> inetpro: there is one african lang added last year
[18:30] <londoner> Maaz: I am Paul Romano
[18:30] <Maaz> londoner: *blink*
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - March 2017
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction 
[18:30] <chesedo> A warm welcome to all and thanks for joining in on out monthly meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:30] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:30] <chesedo> Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:31] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:31] <Maaz> chesedo: Yessir
[18:31] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Le Roux
[18:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[18:31] <nsnzero> Maaz: i am nasan zero
[18:31] <Maaz> nsnzero: Righto
[18:31] <chesedo> londoner: you were a bit too quick
[18:32] <londoner> Maaz: I am Paul Romano
[18:32] <Maaz> londoner: Alrighty
[18:32] <chesedo> Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170328
[18:32] <chesedo> any last minute changes are welcome
[18:33] <chesedo> and welcome to the meeting londoner
[18:33] <chesedo> I guess all happy with agenda?
[18:33] <inetpro> +1
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed All happy with the agenda
[18:33] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with the agenda
[18:34] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <chesedo> minutes of the previous meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170228#Summary
[18:34] <chesedo> Feel free to go through it for a refresher
[18:34] <chesedo> and raise any issues you may have
[18:35] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:35] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:35] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Next Steps
[18:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next Steps
[18:36] <chesedo> does anyone want to get an Ubuntu membership, coc or need help getting a launchpad ID, joining the mailing list or trello page
[18:37] <chesedo> *?
[18:38] <chesedo> magespawn's and kapanda's membership progress is still ongoing I see
[18:38] <nsnzero> i have signed the coc 
[18:39] <nsnzero> and i think i have a launchpad id - so i am good 
[18:39] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed nothing new to add to next steps
[18:39] <Maaz> Agreed: nothing new to add to next steps
[18:40] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Events
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:40] <chesedo> These events took place in the past month:
[18:40] <chesedo> - Scaleconf: 9-10 March, Cape Town
[18:40] <chesedo> - devconf: 9 March, Johannesburg 
[18:41] <chesedo> - FreeBeerSessions: 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg 
[18:41] <chesedo> anyone attended any of these or other events?
[18:41] <chesedo> nsnzero: did you do the coc recently?
[18:41] <inetpro> -1
[18:42] <chesedo> inetpro: does that mean that i missed something?
[18:42] <chesedo> or just a "rogger, negative"?
[18:42] <inetpro> chesedo: haha no, just that I didn't attend any events
[18:42] <chesedo> oh...
[18:43]  * chesedo breaths sigh of relieve
[18:43] <chesedo> anyone know of any new upcoming events?
[18:43] <nsnzero> yes couple months now - Kilos helped me 
[18:44] <chesedo> we should try and add those that pop up on the za-tech slack from time to time
[18:44] <chesedo> nsnzero: oh, great
[18:44] <inetpro> chesedo: I had a quick look there, not much that I noticed
[18:44] <inetpro> but maybe I missed something
[18:45] <superfly> oh dear, I missed the meeting
[18:45] <superfly> sorry guys :-(
[18:45] <chesedo> inetpro: i see some...
[18:45] <chesedo> let me list them:
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: welcome back, you're not too late yet
[18:45] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:45] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[18:45] <chesedo> - Using Go to build a real-time ad bidder (CPT 30th March) -> https://www.meetup.com/gocapetown/events/238382654/
[18:46] <chesedo> - CSS feature detection workshop: 08 April 2017 (CPT) -> https://www.meetup.com/ctfeds/events/236894086/
[18:47] <inetpro> superfly: anything interesting happening on the debian side in the near future?
[18:47] <chesedo> - Elastic Seminar and Meetup: 29 March 2017 (Grayton) -> https://www.meetup.com/Elasticsearch-South-Africa/events/238458339/
[18:47] <superfly> inetpro: not in ZA, but DebConf17 is happening in Montreal from the 6th ro the 12th of August: https://debconf17.debconf.org/
[18:48] <nsnzero> cape town is where the action is - read that parts or most of  amazon's ec2 was designed in cape town 
[18:48] <superfly> nsnzero: yep
[18:48] <chesedo> - The Gauteng Python group meetup 18 March 2017 (Jhb) -> https://www.meetup.com/Gauteng-Python-Users-Group/events/238264208/
[18:49] <superfly> PyConZA 2017 is happening in Cape Town again: https://za.pycon.org/
[18:49] <superfly> 5th and 6th of October
[18:49] <chesedo> lol 18 march is past due of course...
[18:51] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed A lot of upcoming events including Python, CSS, GO and Elastic
[18:51] <Maaz> Agreed: A lot of upcoming events including Python, CSS, GO and Elastic
[18:51] <chesedo> there seems to be more, but i thing we will need a proper list to keep track of them all...
[18:52] <inetpro> interesting, thanks chesedo
[18:52] <superfly> chesedo, inetpro: Just had a thought, what about a learning slot? Links to courses, free tutorials, etc?
[18:52] <chesedo> superfly: here or the mini meetings?
[18:52] <nsnzero> i suggest that it be mailed to us for future reference 
[18:52] <chesedo> let me just switch to misc
[18:53] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous 
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[18:53] <chesedo> nsnzero: that could work too... but how often?
[18:54] <chesedo> and other misc updates are as follow:
[18:54] <nsnzero> ubuntu for hope : currently working on getting a few pc's ready for donation but its end of term - maybe i can sort something out during the holidays
[18:55] <chesedo> - Education project: william is not here and I was sick last week so could not yet get Booktype, OnlyOffice or Pubsweet setup for testing
[18:56] <inetpro> superfly: I think a announcing free learning resources like we do events could work
[18:56] <inetpro> superfly: I can just imagine this to be like a never ending list
[18:56] <chesedo> nsnzero: sounds great...
[18:57] <nsnzero> chesedo: i think one or twice a month if there is sufficient events / learning resources available 
[18:57] <chesedo> nsnzero: karl mentioned that the inflow of PCs is more that the request currently so a list of available one are currently kept...
[18:57] <inetpro> chesedo: oh that is interesting
[18:58] <inetpro> chesedo: is it PC's or laptops?
[18:58] <nsnzero> maybe i can get in touch with karl and find those pc's some good ubuntu homes 
[18:58] <chesedo> inetpro: i guess both will do...
[18:59]  * inetpro should look at how to submit a request
[18:59] <inetpro> our kid's schools can always do with more resources
[19:00] <chesedo> inetpro: i think some level of pickyness might be involved with the low requests?
[19:01] <chesedo> s/?//
[19:01] <superfly> I made an upcoming events page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/UpcomingEvents
[19:01] <nsnzero> i advocate that kids need to be pc literate at an early age - drop ubuntu education edition on those pc's and let them have some educational fun
[19:02] <nsnzero> kids arent fussy if its entertaining them 
[19:02] <chesedo> superfly: great, i think that announcing it to the list might be helpfull to spread it around and get more items...
[19:03] <chesedo> nsnzero: true that
[19:04]  * inetpro wonders whether Kilos is here
[19:04] <chesedo> then the other misc topic: at the last mini meeting is was suggested to add a "Help Wanted" section to the mini meeting..
[19:04] <chesedo> possible as part of Job Openings..
[19:05] <chesedo> and also an announcement... Ubuntu 17.04 in final beta is out now, official release date is on Thursday, 13 April...
[19:06]  * chesedo thinks that the help wanted section can just integrate into jobs
[19:06] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[19:07] <inetpro> chesedo: oh and Ubuntu 12.04 reaches end of life on 28 April 
[19:07] <nsnzero> any guesses what the next release will be code named ?
[19:07] <inetpro> the LTS version
[19:07] <chesedo> Maaz: accepted Ubuntu 17.04 to be released 13 April
[19:07] <Maaz> Accepted: Ubuntu 17.04 to be released 13 April
[19:08] <chesedo> Maaz: accepted Ubuntu 12.04 to be reach EOL 28 April
[19:08] <Maaz> Accepted: Ubuntu 12.04 to be reach EOL 28 April
[19:08] <inetpro> if you still rely heavily on Ubuntu 12.04 you can opt for ESM (Extended Security Maintenance) now
[19:09] <chesedo> Maaz: accepted To integrate "Help Wanted" with "Job Openings" in mini meeting
[19:09] <Maaz> Accepted: To integrate "Help Wanted" with "Job Openings" in mini meeting
[19:09] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:09] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:10] <chesedo> It seems that the next meeting is 25 Apr?
[19:10] <inetpro> correct 
[19:11] <chesedo> And mini meetings will be 29 March & 12 Apr?
[19:11] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed next meeting is 25 April 2017 @ 20:30
[19:11] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting is 25 April 2017 @ 20:30
[19:12] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Next mini meeting 29 March 2017 and 12 April 2017 @ 20:30
[19:12] <Maaz> Agreed: Next mini meeting 29 March 2017 and 12 April 2017 @ 20:30
[19:12] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:12] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:12] <chesedo> anyone up for next chair?
[19:13]  * inetpro votes for chesedo
[19:13] <nsnzero> you did an excellent job chesedo - why challenge that 
[19:14] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:14] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:14] <chesedo> nsnzero: just for diversity...
[19:14] <chesedo> and ty inetpro nsnzero
[19:14] <chesedo> Also thanks all for having joined on the monthly meeting
[19:14] <inetpro> chesedo: thanks for doing it again
[19:15] <chesedo> Maaz: end meeting
[19:15] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:15] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.html
[19:16] <inetpro> chesedo: I think next time we should just try to get the announcements out a bit earlier, sorry for being late on that again
[19:16]  * chesedo has a returning headache so is off for the night
[19:16] <inetpro> not sure whether it will make a difference though
[19:17] <chesedo> inetpro: the 17.04 anoun?
[19:17] <inetpro> chesedo: eish! Good luck!
[19:17] <inetpro> chesedo: I mean the meeting announcements on Twitter and G+
[19:17] <chesedo> oh yeah
[19:17] <inetpro> not sure whether it will make a difference
[19:18] <chesedo> i think the thurs before should be great...
[19:18] <inetpro> IT people generally try to avoid meetings as far as possible
[19:20] <nsnzero> good night all 
[19:20] <inetpro> good night chesedo, and thanks again
[19:21]  * chesedo aim for at least before the weekend next time
[19:21] <chesedo> yw inetpro
[19:21] <chesedo> night all
[19:23] <paddatrapper> Sorry to have missed that meeting. Busy with guests
[19:27] <inetpro> paddatrapper: no worries, it's called life
[19:27] <paddatrapper> inetpro: that's true. And a crazy one most the time too
[19:35] <inetpro> https://opensource.google.com/ a new home for Google Open Source