[06:15] morning all and sundry [06:15] hi anirbaan welcome to ubuntu-za [06:16] Hello Kilos, thanks :) [06:16] Kilos: and How are you today ? [06:17] oh my you know me, hehe, i am ok ty just got a thumping headache. how and who are you [06:50] morning all [07:28] bonjour [07:28] Ubuntu Linux 17.04 'Zesty Zapus' Final Beta now available for download === MaNL is now known as MaNI [08:21] hi nsnzero and inetpro [08:33] morning Kilos & inetpro [08:36] i have a strange problem - i need to access a .mdb file on a local network - i can access it from a computer in another room but is it amazing slow - but if i swap the file onto the slow computer and try to access from the first pc its accessing fast again - its the same network distance through the same routers / switches [08:37] all the pc's are i5 and have the sames specs [08:39] hi nsnzero [08:39] again hehe [08:39] hi again Kilos - why not ... lol [08:40] lol [08:48] hi all [08:49] now the girls that works with the system believes that the delay is caused by the slow computer being in the second storey building - her explanation is that things take longer going up than down [08:49] hi K_K_N [08:50] hi nsnzero [08:50] and Hi Kilos [08:52] nsnzero, I am not understanding you question 100% but let me see if I got it you are on Computer A and trying to access .mdb on computer B but its "amazing slow" (lol) but when you try to access .mdb file on Computer A from computer B its fast again? [08:55] oh wait you said "but is it amazing slow" [08:55] well no idea nsnzero you should be able to tell us if that is amazing or not [08:55] LOL [08:55] hahaha [08:56] ok jokes aside [08:56] did I get your question correct? [08:56] yip its amazing and slow at the same time - quantum physical applies hear [08:56] lol [08:56] why is my english so bad this morning [08:58] but they on the same network in the same building and both have the exact same network cards as well? [09:00] the are all the same - i just swapped the location of the file [09:00] what response times do you get when you ping from machine A to B and vice versa? [09:01] all pings > 1ms - these are windows pcs btw [09:01] do they both take the same network route when accessing each other maybe one of the machines deciding to divert its route take a few extra hops to another router and then back again? [09:02] ah windows there is your first problem there...HAHAHAHA [09:02] LOL [09:03] has it always been like this or is it just today? [09:04] tracert from A to B then from B to A and check what happens [09:04] also are there other users accessing the file on machine B while you trying to access it maybe that could be the reason why its slow? [09:05] G'morning Kilos hoe gaan dit? [09:05] you could also check the what processes are running on each machine [09:05] and hi to all [09:05] maybe the slow one has extra processes running [09:06] hi Langjan [09:06] hi K_K_N [09:06] one of the ethernet cards set to half duplex or something? [09:06] btw nsnzero forgot to ask are these just desktop computers or servers? [09:10] all networks report they are connected at 100mb [09:10] I think MaNI may be on to something nsnzero, or the one machine has network priority set for other processes and is very low for accessing the database [09:11] alternatively a rotuing problem as K_K_N said (check the tracert) - or potentially an IP address conflict? [09:11] then shouldnt't it be slow both ways [09:13] hmm... I think you may have a point but only if the tracert for both machines are the same but on one the output should be the reverse of the other [09:14] but if they the same then I am thinking network has been prioritized for other processes but before I jump to conclusions how is the speed when you try accessing other files? [09:16] could also be really bad disk read speeds on the one machine, haha [09:17] so far i disabled ip6 and disconnected all other computers = same results [09:18] the up hill theory sounds quiet feasible now [09:19] lol [09:23] have you checked running processes on the slow one? also I have read that windows sometimes automatically prioritizes certain network processes cause I had issues once with my machine that some stuff were connecting and others were not or were extremely slow although I am not sure whether following any of the online help actually worked cause it had no change for me and then eventually seemed to resolve itself [09:24] so one could argue that the changes worked but I argue then why did it not make a difference when I rebooted immediately after the changes [09:25] only after a few days after I just decided to give it a break [09:26] it started to work the way I wanted it too [09:32] i will keep tinkering with it K_K_N - lets see if it can be solved [09:33] nsnzero, ok cool [09:33] let us know how it goes [09:33] will do [10:06] 03/28 11:02:36 ah windows there is your first problem there...HAHAHAHA [10:07] nsnzero: good luck with the tinkering :-) [12:12] have a good afternoon guys [12:30] afternoon all [12:30] inetpro: guess what? [12:31] chesedo: meeting time again? [12:31] hi chesedo [12:35] inetpro: yea, will you do the tweet please? [12:35] * chesedo just did the list and g+ [12:37] afternoon inetpro chesedo and ChanServ :p [13:11] Hi pavlushka [13:11] too late :p [14:11] Gooday [14:13] I am looking to broswe the dark web tonight looking for some information because my compnay has been mentioned a few times in scary parts of the internet. Can anyone direct me? [14:13] The people whio gave me this information are looking for more than R150k just to share the information [14:26] qwebirc89456 be patient, someone should be able to advise you [14:26] and welcome to ubuntu-za [14:28] qwebirc89456: you will use the Tor browser to access the dark web [14:29] And doing it in a VM will also be a good idea [14:32] Although afaik the dark web is segmented (in many pieces) so you will need luck to be in the piece where your company is mentioned [14:33] Others may be able to enlighten more [14:35] I am going to be in Ubuntu then install a Windows VM machine [16:36] evening K_K_N [17:40] Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs === smile is now known as Plusheen [18:07] Kilos: are we having a meeting? [18:07] hmm... i think so === Plusheen is now known as Plushmaniac === Plushmaniac is now known as PlushSector [18:08] hi Plushmaniac welcome to ubuntu-za === PlushSector is now known as smile [18:08] smile dont play games here with my old head man [18:08] hehe [18:08] * inetpro wonders whether chesedo is ready for the meeting [18:09] smile: wb [18:09] thanks. I was Plusheen for a while. [18:09] im falling asleep already [18:09] superfly: are you with us today? [18:09] here you are smile [18:09] so stay smile here [18:09] I can't promise [18:09] :-) [18:16] wb nsnzero [18:16] oops [18:16] wb nsnzero [18:17] hi inetpro and thanks [18:17] Meeting in less than 15 min [18:17] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170328 [18:18] roger that inetpro [18:21] inetpro: meeting? again? [18:21] Stop meeting and get stuff done [18:21] smile: that's why we have you here [18:22] I don't do a lot for the ubuntu-za project specifically [18:23] inetpro: isn't that bonjour? [18:24] chesedo: I have no idea :-) [18:24] * inetpro is still learning French [18:24] Maaz: announce Meeting in 5 [18:24] Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting in 5 [18:25] inetpro: interesting... how are you learning (method wise)? [18:26] * chesedo last conducted the meeting in sept he sees [18:26] chesedo: https://www.duolingo.com/ [18:27] quite cool actually, but I'm a real beginner [18:27] yeah, the same thing that i use(d) [18:28] inetpro: which level you at? [18:28] 6% [18:28] wee wee [18:29] oui [18:29] chesedo: wish they had local languages there already [18:29] hi nlsthzn [18:29] * chesedo did not know it had percentage measures [18:29] o/ [18:29] inetpro: there is one african lang added last year [18:30] Maaz: I am Paul Romano [18:30] londoner: *blink* [18:30] Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - March 2017 [18:30] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:30] Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction [18:30] A warm welcome to all and thanks for joining in on out monthly meeting [18:30] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [18:30] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [18:30] inetpro: Done [18:30] Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am ` eg. [18:31] Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht [18:31] chesedo: Yessir [18:31] Maaz I am Jeandre Le Roux [18:31] theblazehen: Yessir [18:31] Maaz: i am nasan zero [18:31] nsnzero: Righto [18:31] londoner: you were a bit too quick [18:32] Maaz: I am Paul Romano [18:32] londoner: Alrighty [18:32] Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170328 [18:32] any last minute changes are welcome [18:33] and welcome to the meeting londoner [18:33] I guess all happy with agenda? [18:33] +1 [18:33] Maaz: agreed All happy with the agenda [18:33] Agreed: All happy with the agenda [18:34] Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting [18:34] Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting [18:34] minutes of the previous meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170228#Summary [18:34] Feel free to go through it for a refresher [18:34] and raise any issues you may have [18:35] Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes [18:35] Agreed: All happy with previous minutes [18:35] Maaz: topic Next Steps [18:35] Current Topic: Next Steps [18:36] does anyone want to get an Ubuntu membership, coc or need help getting a launchpad ID, joining the mailing list or trello page [18:37] *? [18:38] magespawn's and kapanda's membership progress is still ongoing I see [18:38] i have signed the coc [18:39] and i think i have a launchpad id - so i am good [18:39] Maaz: agreed nothing new to add to next steps [18:39] Agreed: nothing new to add to next steps [18:40] Maaz: topic Events [18:40] Current Topic: Events [18:40] These events took place in the past month: [18:40] - Scaleconf: 9-10 March, Cape Town [18:40] - devconf: 9 March, Johannesburg [18:41] - FreeBeerSessions: 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg [18:41] anyone attended any of these or other events? [18:41] nsnzero: did you do the coc recently? [18:41] -1 [18:42] inetpro: does that mean that i missed something? [18:42] or just a "rogger, negative"? [18:42] chesedo: haha no, just that I didn't attend any events [18:42] oh... [18:43] * chesedo breaths sigh of relieve [18:43] anyone know of any new upcoming events? [18:43] yes couple months now - Kilos helped me [18:44] we should try and add those that pop up on the za-tech slack from time to time [18:44] nsnzero: oh, great [18:44] chesedo: I had a quick look there, not much that I noticed [18:44] but maybe I missed something [18:45] oh dear, I missed the meeting [18:45] sorry guys :-( [18:45] inetpro: i see some... [18:45] let me list them: [18:45] superfly: welcome back, you're not too late yet [18:45] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [18:45] superfly: Okay [18:45] - Using Go to build a real-time ad bidder (CPT 30th March) -> https://www.meetup.com/gocapetown/events/238382654/ [18:46] - CSS feature detection workshop: 08 April 2017 (CPT) -> https://www.meetup.com/ctfeds/events/236894086/ [18:47] superfly: anything interesting happening on the debian side in the near future? [18:47] - Elastic Seminar and Meetup: 29 March 2017 (Grayton) -> https://www.meetup.com/Elasticsearch-South-Africa/events/238458339/ [18:47] inetpro: not in ZA, but DebConf17 is happening in Montreal from the 6th ro the 12th of August: https://debconf17.debconf.org/ [18:48] cape town is where the action is - read that parts or most of amazon's ec2 was designed in cape town [18:48] nsnzero: yep [18:48] - The Gauteng Python group meetup 18 March 2017 (Jhb) -> https://www.meetup.com/Gauteng-Python-Users-Group/events/238264208/ [18:49] PyConZA 2017 is happening in Cape Town again: https://za.pycon.org/ [18:49] 5th and 6th of October [18:49] lol 18 march is past due of course... [18:51] Maaz: agreed A lot of upcoming events including Python, CSS, GO and Elastic [18:51] Agreed: A lot of upcoming events including Python, CSS, GO and Elastic [18:51] there seems to be more, but i thing we will need a proper list to keep track of them all... [18:52] interesting, thanks chesedo [18:52] chesedo, inetpro: Just had a thought, what about a learning slot? Links to courses, free tutorials, etc? [18:52] superfly: here or the mini meetings? [18:52] i suggest that it be mailed to us for future reference [18:52] let me just switch to misc [18:53] Maaz: topic Miscellaneous [18:53] Current Topic: Miscellaneous [18:53] nsnzero: that could work too... but how often? [18:54] and other misc updates are as follow: [18:54] ubuntu for hope : currently working on getting a few pc's ready for donation but its end of term - maybe i can sort something out during the holidays [18:55] - Education project: william is not here and I was sick last week so could not yet get Booktype, OnlyOffice or Pubsweet setup for testing [18:56] superfly: I think a announcing free learning resources like we do events could work [18:56] superfly: I can just imagine this to be like a never ending list [18:56] nsnzero: sounds great... [18:57] chesedo: i think one or twice a month if there is sufficient events / learning resources available [18:57] nsnzero: karl mentioned that the inflow of PCs is more that the request currently so a list of available one are currently kept... [18:57] chesedo: oh that is interesting [18:58] chesedo: is it PC's or laptops? [18:58] maybe i can get in touch with karl and find those pc's some good ubuntu homes [18:58] inetpro: i guess both will do... [18:59] * inetpro should look at how to submit a request [18:59] our kid's schools can always do with more resources [19:00] inetpro: i think some level of pickyness might be involved with the low requests? [19:01] s/?// [19:01] I made an upcoming events page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/UpcomingEvents [19:01] i advocate that kids need to be pc literate at an early age - drop ubuntu education edition on those pc's and let them have some educational fun [19:02] kids arent fussy if its entertaining them [19:02] superfly: great, i think that announcing it to the list might be helpfull to spread it around and get more items... [19:03] nsnzero: true that [19:04] * inetpro wonders whether Kilos is here [19:04] then the other misc topic: at the last mini meeting is was suggested to add a "Help Wanted" section to the mini meeting.. [19:04] possible as part of Job Openings.. [19:05] and also an announcement... Ubuntu 17.04 in final beta is out now, official release date is on Thursday, 13 April... [19:06] * chesedo thinks that the help wanted section can just integrate into jobs [19:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule [19:07] chesedo: oh and Ubuntu 12.04 reaches end of life on 28 April [19:07] any guesses what the next release will be code named ? [19:07] the LTS version [19:07] Maaz: accepted Ubuntu 17.04 to be released 13 April [19:07] Accepted: Ubuntu 17.04 to be released 13 April [19:08] Maaz: accepted Ubuntu 12.04 to be reach EOL 28 April [19:08] Accepted: Ubuntu 12.04 to be reach EOL 28 April [19:08] if you still rely heavily on Ubuntu 12.04 you can opt for ESM (Extended Security Maintenance) now [19:09] Maaz: accepted To integrate "Help Wanted" with "Job Openings" in mini meeting [19:09] Accepted: To integrate "Help Wanted" with "Job Openings" in mini meeting [19:09] Maaz: topic Next meeting [19:09] Current Topic: Next meeting [19:10] It seems that the next meeting is 25 Apr? [19:10] correct [19:11] And mini meetings will be 29 March & 12 Apr? [19:11] Maaz: agreed next meeting is 25 April 2017 @ 20:30 [19:11] Agreed: next meeting is 25 April 2017 @ 20:30 [19:12] Maaz: agreed Next mini meeting 29 March 2017 and 12 April 2017 @ 20:30 [19:12] Agreed: Next mini meeting 29 March 2017 and 12 April 2017 @ 20:30 [19:12] Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting [19:12] Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting [19:12] anyone up for next chair? [19:13] * inetpro votes for chesedo [19:13] you did an excellent job chesedo - why challenge that [19:14] Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting [19:14] Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting [19:14] nsnzero: just for diversity... [19:14] and ty inetpro nsnzero [19:14] Also thanks all for having joined on the monthly meeting [19:14] chesedo: thanks for doing it again [19:15] Maaz: end meeting [19:15] Meeting Ended [19:15] Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-03-28-18-30-30.html [19:16] chesedo: I think next time we should just try to get the announcements out a bit earlier, sorry for being late on that again [19:16] * chesedo has a returning headache so is off for the night [19:16] not sure whether it will make a difference though [19:17] inetpro: the 17.04 anoun? [19:17] chesedo: eish! Good luck! [19:17] chesedo: I mean the meeting announcements on Twitter and G+ [19:17] oh yeah [19:17] not sure whether it will make a difference [19:18] i think the thurs before should be great... [19:18] IT people generally try to avoid meetings as far as possible [19:20] good night all [19:20] good night chesedo, and thanks again [19:21] * chesedo aim for at least before the weekend next time [19:21] yw inetpro [19:21] night all [19:23] Sorry to have missed that meeting. Busy with guests [19:27] paddatrapper: no worries, it's called life [19:27] inetpro: that's true. And a crazy one most the time too [19:35] https://opensource.google.com/ a new home for Google Open Source