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acheron-ahello Bashing-om01:55
Bashing-omHey acheron-a // I miss anything exciting ?01:56
acheron-ano, it has been very quiet here01:57
Bashing-omacheron-a: :) .. Then I not feel to bad to be away helping others in other things .02:01
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lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:18
acheron-ahello lotuspsychje05:21
lotuspsychjehey acheron-a05:22
acheron-aits been very quiet here, FYI05:25
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-firefox-52-0-2-released-to-fix-crash-on-startup-on-linux-other-issues-514351.shtml05:25
lotuspsychjeacheron-a: tnx for the headsup05:25
lotuspsychjelets bring up some users alive now :p05:26
lotuspsychjeOzzy-roborn-USA: morning05:38
baizonhow can i make a bios update, when there is only a .exe file?05:38
acheron-aits 12.38 am here .. good night all05:38
lotuspsychjebaizon: wich brand is that?05:38
Ozzy-roborn-USAIt's just before midnight here.05:39
baizonlotuspsychje: https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-RX480-O4G/HelpDesk_Download/05:39
lotuspsychjebaizon: think thats supposed to run from windows only mate05:41
lotuspsychjei dont think .exe can be set on usb an boot or cdrom..05:42
baizonand thats really reallly stupid05:42
lotuspsychjeyeah i know05:43
lotuspsychjebaizon: perhaps the ##hardware guys might know a trick?05:44
lotuspsychjenot sure if wine would execute properly...05:45
lotuspsychjebaizon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/338763/how-to-update-the-bios-in-ubuntu05:55
lotuspsychjefreedos perhaps one time? maybe it can live?05:55
baizonlotuspsychje: thx05:58
lotuspsychjeperhaps Ben64 or ducasse might know another trick05:59
EriC^^morning lotuspsychje06:10
lordievaderGood morning06:13
EriC^^morning lordievader06:13
ducassemorning all06:13
lordievaderHey EriC^^, ducasse. How are you guys?06:13
EriC^^hey ducasse06:13
lotuspsychjemorning guys!06:14
ducassegood, thanks - you?06:14
EriC^^good thanks, what about you lordievader ?06:14
ducassebaizon: sometimes .exe files are self-extracting zip archives that unzip will unpack.06:15
lordievaderEriC^^: Doing good here :)06:19
lordievaderducasse:  ^06:19
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje06:19
ducasseone more thing, baizon - if it does need to run under windows and won't work on freedos, you can probably use the windows thingy that's on a few boot/utility-cds. i know at least hirens boot cd has it, at least the version i've got does.06:36
baizonok, thanks ducasse06:36
lotuspsychjeducasse: handy to know!06:36
ducasselotuspsychje: yes, i use it for firmware updates now and then, it's a lot better than having to actually install windows :)06:37
lotuspsychjeindeed06:37
ducasselotuspsychje: work today, mate?06:38
lotuspsychje5 days off ducasse06:38
lotuspsychjeducasse: and then next week 5 days work at easter holidays06:39
ducasseah, well. better than how it was when they needed you every single day i suppose.06:40
lotuspsychjeyeah things have been better for me like this06:41
lotuspsychjebut now the sun comes out, they will need me a lot more06:41
ducassespringtime! \o/06:44
lotuspsychjeyayy06:44
lotuspsychje300 ppl on our terace lol06:45
ikevinmorning07:17
lordievadero/07:19
lotuspsychjebbl08:19
lotuspsychjere09:28
lotuspsychjehowdy OerHeks & ikevin09:29
ikevinhey lotuspsychje :)09:34
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/has-ubuntu-popularity-peaked09:34
lotuspsychjewhat you guys think of this? ubuntu keeps stable or ubuntu needs new features every release?09:35
OerHekssilly google stats...09:35
OerHeksthe label 'opinion' should at least take 3/4 page09:36
lotuspsychjethe comments are pretty fun to read :p09:36
OerHeksjoey = crazytux ? :-D09:36
lotuspsychjeandroid vs windodows vs linux09:36
lotuspsychjehahaha09:36
ikevin<lotuspsychje> what you guys think of this? ubuntu keeps stable or ubuntu needs new features every release? <== both, and i think ubuntu need more partners09:37
lotuspsychjeikevin: alot of things are going on IoT & ubuntu partners already right09:38
lotuspsychjebut yeah a new phone partner would be nice :p09:38
ikevini think having big pc reseller as partner can be nice to09:39
lotuspsychjeyeah09:40
lotuspsychjemorning Wirehunter09:48
Wirehuntergood afternoon10:11
lotuspsychjeWirehunter: hey there, all good?10:11
Wirehunterlotuspsychje, Yes, just arrived at school to attend computergraphics :P10:12
lotuspsychjeWirehunter: learning an IT grade?10:13
EriC^^that's his cover, he's a spy10:14
lotuspsychjelol10:14
Wirehunterlotuspsychje, Yes. Computer Science at Rotterdam University of applied sciences :D10:14
lotuspsychjeoh, i think you can talk to lordievader then, think he also studyed IT in ntherlands10:15
WirehunterEriC^^, Haha, yes, I'm shuttleworth right?10:15
lotuspsychjeor snowden :p10:15
EriC^^he hunts wires for a living10:16
EriC^^the data is his prey10:16
lotuspsychjelol10:16
WirehunterI do like to play around with Breadboards :)10:16
lotuspsychjewe discussed this yesterday internet of things getting exploited already10:17
lotuspsychjeby new style hacking-burglers hacking your unsecure network fridge, to open the garage gate10:18
lotuspsychjehttp://r1ng1.deviantart.com/art/Kubuntu-17-04-Surface-Pro-3-65993056910:23
lotuspsychjepretty neat on a surface pro10:23
lordievaderlotuspsychje, Wirehunter: Nope I have/am studying Electrical Engineering.10:49
blackflowHello. Trying to understand the implications of upcoming release of Mir. Will individual applications have to support it directly? What will happen if they don't? There has been talk about KDE not going to, Intel not supporting in their gfx driver, etc...   Not a flamebait, honest question, just trying to figure out how much of it all is just FUD and how much is real concern.10:58
brunch875blackflow: in the phone you can launch X applications and it runs mir10:59
brunch875so I expect the desktop to be a lot more polished10:59
blackflowbrunch875: via XMir?11:00
brunch875I take it so11:00
brunch875on the phone it isn't too straightforward since you need to set up libertine containers and run from there11:00
brunch875but I'm sure it will be a lot more polished on the desktop11:00
brunch875but this answers the "can't run non-mir applications" concern11:01
brunch875it can11:01
brunch875I suspect mir confinement is going to be done with snaps11:01
brunch875and snap works surprisingly well. I am, in fact, running a snapped hexchat11:02
blackflowa bit of false sense of security as long as X is involved11:02
brunch875blackflow: on the phone, X applications are confined in a libertine container11:02
brunch875so it should be secure11:02
blackflowI doubt that. X would have to be changed inside out to provide isolation required, which is great part of why wayland and mir were concieved.11:03
brunch875yeah, I believe it to be xmir and not x11:04
brunch875it looks like the whole infraestructure is built around isolation and message passing. Applications woud just 'not see' each other if not meant to11:06
blackflowhmm, I'll have to dig deeper into XMir and see what exactly is being done there, is it just API/ABI compatibility layer, or actual X (with all its problems) runnign in some context of Mir11:06
brunch875but that's the general idea I have, I don't develop mir myself11:06
brunch875I'm pretty sure it's an API/ABI11:06
blackflowbut the bottom line is, there's no apocalypse, if apps won't use Mir directly, they'll just default to X(Mir), right?11:06
brunch875Yes, and this works already11:07
blackflowNeat.11:11
BluesKajHi folks11:24
brunch875Heya BluesKaj, have a good day11:44
BluesKajhibr yes,fine here, and you?11:46
BluesKajbrunch875,^11:46
BluesKajscuse my typos , it's still early :-)11:47
brunch875BluesKaj: fine day; not a single cloud. http://imgur.com/a/DT12211:49
BluesKajbrunch875, nice11:52
BluesKajwe have a few clouds , the forecast is for mostly clear skies here and milder temps, finally11:53
BluesKajbrunch875, ahh Madrid, I hear it's a really nice city. My sister studied Spanish at the university there.12:20
BluesKajbut that was long ago. Franco was still in power then.12:23
brunch875ah, me being a youngling didn't get to see it12:23
brunch875madrid right now is... noisy with a lot of cars. But still pretty pretty.12:24
BluesKajyes, I've seen on various travrl shoes on tv, like Lonely Planet12:25
BluesKajshows even12:25
lotuspsychjeafternoon to all12:39
BluesKajhey lotuspsychje12:39
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj12:39
lotuspsychje HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-70-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2,04GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2,0GiB, 40,0% free ** Disk: Total: 109,8GiB, 88,0% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] R420 [Radeon X800 PRO/GTO AGP] ** Sound: VIA8237 - VIA 8237 ** Ethernet: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T12:40
lotuspsychje[Marvell] ** Uptime: 45m 11s **12:40
lotuspsychjemy old desktop :p12:41
ikevinmy current desktop look like that :x12:41
lotuspsychjeflying faster then an i512:41
lotuspsychje(on windows) lol12:42
lotuspsychjetoo bad hexchat doesnt spam hd brand12:42
lotuspsychjesamsung 850 pro ssd makes the big difference speedwise12:43
lotuspsychjebbl12:56
ikevinsee you12:58
lotuspsychjehi nacc15:46
nacclotuspsychje: morning15:47
lotuspsychjeoO16:06
lotuspsychjeim adding upgrades to my webshop :p http://www.lotuscomputers.be/17:42
daftykins\o/17:43
daftykinshey lotus hope all is well \o17:44
lotuspsychjehey daftykins17:45
lotuspsychjehow r u mate?17:45
ducassepizza! \o/17:45
lotuspsychjebon apetit ducasse17:46
EriC^^heya daftykins17:46
EriC^^wb lotuspsychje17:46
lotuspsychjetnx EriC^^ :p17:46
daftykins\o17:46
daftykinslotuspsychje: good thanks, but long day :)17:46
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: to answer your last barebone question: ive sended mail to entroware, but they never replied me back..think im a too small fish for them...so for now ill stick to an .nl clevo reseller17:47
daftykins:<17:47
daftykinsthat's frustrating17:47
lotuspsychjeyeah cant find any other decent barebones of my wish17:48
lotuspsychjeentroware was promising17:48
EriC^^dang17:51
ducasselotuspsychje: odd that they didn't even respond, though.17:51
lotuspsychjeperhaps i should resend17:51
lotuspsychjei like the fact that their already ubuntu minded17:51
daftykinsLouis on youtube was saying that to become a certified Lenovo guy to sell Lenovo machines and work on their laptops for repair, he'd have to sell 20,000 USD per month of their gear - which means you would have to start lying and not repairing machines to reach your quota17:51
lotuspsychjehttps://www.entroware.com/store/laptops/triton17:52
lotuspsychjecheck their configurator17:52
ducasselotuspsychje: maybe worth a shot, i would at least expect a "sorry, but..." mail back17:53
lotuspsychjeyeah i dont wanna be depended from quotas and resellers17:53
lotuspsychjeill find my own way17:53
lotuspsychjeentroware config is nice, but would have been nicer with NO HD option and keyboard dutch17:54
lotuspsychjeno ram would also be nice17:54
EriC^^i got an approval for getting a dog17:55
EriC^^my plan with getting the fish first worked17:56
ducassewhat's next, a dolphin? ;)17:56
EriC^^lol17:57
daftykinsnow now, EriC^^ can't home Celine Dion17:57
EriC^^i ordered a 120liter tank for the fishes and got them some stuff from a local pet store, the guy hasn't called yet to tell me the price though17:58
lotuspsychjeoO17:58
EriC^^i'm spoiling the heck out of them, i feed them like 4-6 times a day, the red calm one got bigger, but the other black active one is still the same size17:59
ducasseEriC^^: what kind of dog will you get?17:59
EriC^^he's like a dog, if i put my finger next to the water he'll swim up quickly to the surface and open his mouth and close it18:00
EriC^^ducasse: i was thinking a samoyed, i kind of like the way they look and that they're friendly18:00
EriC^^i've been reading a shit ton about puppies and dog care lately18:00
EriC^^kind of worried about training him and stuff, they're known to be a little difficult and stuff, plus i kind of worry if he'll somehow snap and bite a chunk off my face or something18:02
ducasseEriC^^: i've wanted a staffordshire bullterrier for years and years, but i doubt my cat would be very happy about it. they're brilliant dogs, though.18:03
EriC^^like one day he's like i wonder what this human's face tastes like and he takes a bite18:03
daftykinshttps://i.imgur.com/fJhagxL.mp4 - important18:03
EriC^^also the mouthing and bite inhibition seems to suck18:03
* lotuspsychje also likes dogs..But not in bed18:04
ducassedaftykins: :D18:04
EriC^^i have to let it literally bite me as hard as it can, and then scream in pain a little and get up and go away for like 20secs so it learns not to bite so hard, etc til it's like 6months old18:04
EriC^^lol daftykins18:05
EriC^^i probably wont get the dog though, it's a lot of work18:05
daftykinsyeah could tie you down a bit :S18:06
daftykinsEriC^^: did you manage to stop your gran from overfeeding the fish?18:06
EriC^^i'd have to take him out for exercising everyday somewhere, and he probably wont sit in the balcony alone and i dont want to keep him in the living room alone with my grandma18:06
EriC^^daftykins: yeah, sort of, few days ago there was a piece of toast there, i asked her about it, she said, i was eating and it just fell in18:07
EriC^^lol18:07
EriC^^who knows18:08
EriC^^the fish kind of piss me off at times, when they have food, they won't give a damn at all18:08
ducasse"so now the only thing they'll eat is white toast with marmalade" ;)18:08
EriC^^if there's no food, he'll like jump up to the surface and stuff, if there's food they're like meh18:08
EriC^^ducasse: lol :D and they shit rainbows18:09
lotuspsychjea 120 liter tank is like big enough for koi's?18:09
EriC^^lotuspsychje: i read that like each fish needs 50liters18:09
EriC^^i got it really according to the space, plus i wanted 100liters+18:10
daftykinsdamn toast just wants the water, maaaan </Gran>18:10
EriC^^they grow as big as the space you give them naturally, if it's a small space they stay tiny18:10
EriC^^the guy at the pet shop was hilarious, he didn't have a clue about anything at all18:11
EriC^^they had a 60liter one at most, and he was like 'take this one, how many fish do you want? it can have 120fish easily'18:11
daftykinsJapanese commuter train mode18:12
daftykins>_<18:12
EriC^^then some fish was literally floating on its side dead and half the tail was rotted away, i was like, 'there's a dead fish in there'18:12
daftykins:S18:12
EriC^^he was like 'oh the other goldfish killed here, see, if you get a fish from one shop and another fish from another shop, the owners do something to them, so they attack the other fish and eat them'18:13
ducasselol18:13
ducassepet shop warfare!18:13
EriC^^anyways i think he's not going to call about the custom tank, it's been like 2 days18:14
EriC^^there's a local glass cutter shop though so i can just give him the glass specs and silicon it together at home, should be easy18:14
EriC^^he had the cutest puppy though in a cage there18:16
ducassepoor puppy :(18:17
EriC^^he looked like a mixed breed mutt kind of dog, black, medium sized, with some white and he was like begging at times wit his paws at the cage18:17
EriC^^and the owner was like shutting him up and stuff18:17
EriC^^initially i wanted to get that pup, my initial argument to my grandma was we'd get him, and ask the guy if we could bring him back without a refund if it didnt work out18:18
EriC^^then i figured he was already too big, maybe 9months or so, plus he's been caged all the time so he wouldn't be socialized properly with other dogs and people and stuff so a 2month old would be better18:19
lotuspsychjewich category should i put windows/mac restore to factory defaults? in data backup or upgrades?18:19
EriC^^it's very sad though how he's locked up18:19
daftykinslotuspsychje: i'd have thought you'd call it 'crimes' ;D18:20
lotuspsychjehahaha18:20
ducasselotuspsychje: for windows that's clearly an upgrade18:20
lotuspsychjedaftykins: in worst case scenarios i will also do those :p18:20
lotuspsychjeok ill add to upgrades then18:21
ducasselotuspsychje: i was just joking, actually, but whatever :)18:21
daftykins;D18:22
ducasselotuspsychje: you don't have 'other'?18:22
daftykinsbackup/recovery perhaps18:22
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah i know, but dont wanna make a new category18:22
ducasseright.18:22
lotuspsychjegot 8 main categorys already18:22
lotuspsychjethey all fit on /home18:22
EriC^^lotuspsychje: maybe something like restoration or resetting or refreshing pc or something18:22
EriC^^?18:22
EriC^^hmm what's this for?18:23
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: restoring mac & windows back to defaults18:23
EriC^^+1 recovery18:23
EriC^^for the shop?18:23
lotuspsychjeyes18:23
lotuspsychjedata backup then?18:23
ducasselotuspsychje: can't you call 'backup' 'backup/recover'?18:24
ducasseor smth.18:24
lotuspsychjeyeah ill ask my admin to do so, good idea18:24
lotuspsychjedata backup & recovery18:25
lotuspsychjeducasse: whats your bank accnt number :p18:25
ducasse:)18:25
ducasselotuspsychje: just noticed, i looked at the security advice thingy, when i run that through google translate it says "U get advice..." etc - is that actually ok in the original and just a bad translation?18:31
ducasse"You will get advice on how to work safely with the Internet and become a victim of social engineering hackers"18:34
ducassemissed a 'not'? ;)18:34
lotuspsychjeducasse: lemme check holdon18:35
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah think its a bas translate: en geen slachtoffer te worden van social engineering en hackers.18:36
lotuspsychjegeen= not18:36
ducassegood :)18:37
lotuspsychjeducasse: found a nice site for copywright free pics now aswell :p18:38
lotuspsychjepixabay.com18:38
ducassecool, did they have anything you needed?18:39
lotuspsychjeducasse: all the pics in my categorys come from there18:40
lotuspsychjealso the ubuntu one18:40
lotuspsychjenow looking for a cool recovery pic18:40
ducasseone question: on the main page, should there not be some text under the icons or a mouseover or something?18:42
lotuspsychjeducasse: tried to keep it simple, but perhaps yeah it could be more handy18:43
ducasseit looks good without, but it's not very ui-friendly imo. i'm no designer, though.18:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: my admin proposed first with text, but it was all a bit too much with pink etc18:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: also once you click on 1 category, the user gets the categorys left18:44
ducassetrue, you should probably get some opinions on what is best.18:45
lotuspsychjeducasse: i like feedback, tnx18:45
lotuspsychjethings are all new, still in motion :p18:46
ducasselot of work to set up a new business :)18:47
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah the paperwork got me 8 months already18:48
lotuspsychjearranged a lot of legal stuff18:48
lotuspsychjecwtqty: welcome18:51
Wirehuntergood evening19:24
daftykinshey \o how goes?19:25
Wirehunterfine, how about you?19:26
daftykinslong day but finally home, just fed and ready for sleep... at 8:30pm XD19:28
WirehunterYou're from Britain?19:31
daftykinsChannel Islands19:31
lotuspsychjeducasse: how you like this for data recovery? https://pixabay.com/en/internet-content-portal-search-315132/19:46
lotuspsychjeaka reformatting to defaults19:47
daftykins"can you stop my windows flying off the screen?"19:49
lotuspsychjelol19:49
lotuspsychjei wanna avoid cdroms & brands on the pics also19:49
daftykinshow will you trial AOL?19:51
ducassei don't really have an opinion, other than that it doesn't scream "recovery" to me...19:51
lotuspsychjeducasse: ok Back to search then :p19:52
lotuspsychjenot easy to find a decent 'happy recovery pc' pic19:52
ducasselotuspsychje: i tried looking at some others too, but it wasn't easy...19:53
ducassei better get ready for sleepytime soon, 14 hours is enough for one day19:54
lotuspsychjekk mate19:54
lotuspsychjesoon you will be able to count the IIIOOOOIIIIOOIOIOIIIIOI19:54
lotuspsychjeinstead of sheep19:55
daftykinsi choose to read that as yodelling19:55
lotuspsychjelol19:55
lotuspsychjehttps://pixabay.com/en/computer-disk-handsomely-1907133/19:59
lotuspsychjecool but not really reinstalling an Os19:59
daftykinsno OS is going back on there ;D20:01
lotuspsychjehahaha20:01
lotuspsychjedaftykins: found many floppy pics also heh20:01
daftykinshttp://ajonas.herokuapp.com/images/aoldisk.jpg20:02
daftykins\o/20:02
daftykinsi still have a drive over in the corner if you want one :)20:02
lotuspsychjewahaha20:02
lotuspsychjewow, look what i found!20:03
lotuspsychjehttps://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2014/06/30/04/00/mouse-379978_960_720.jpg20:03
ducassedear gods, "i've saved a script from the web, what do i do now?"20:05
ducassethat can't go wrong.20:06
lotuspsychjelol20:06
ducasseoh, from the arch wiki - should be ok :)20:06
lotuspsychjehaha20:06
lotuspsychjetry some random scripts from darkweb20:07
daftykinsskynet.sh20:07
ducasseask random people on irc to send you their favorites ;)20:08
lotuspsychjelol20:08
daftykinsi liked the CD rewind script i got linked to the other day20:10
ducassei'm useless by now, going to get some sleep. ttyl!20:16
lotuspsychjelaterz ducasse20:16
daftykinsnn \o20:16
lotuspsychjenite nite guys21:33
Bashing-omOK. I am here procrastinating on doing what I want to do, rather than what I should be doing :)21:37
daftykins:D that's the spirit21:37
daftykinsnew fridge tomorrow \o/ but bed for now21:37
daftykinsg'night \o changing of the guard21:37
Bashing-omsleep tight ! daftykins21:39
daftykinsty :>21:39

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