[01:55] hello Bashing-om [01:56] Hey acheron-a // I miss anything exciting ? [01:57] no, it has been very quiet here [02:01] acheron-a: :) .. Then I not feel to bad to be away helping others in other things . === JanC is now known as Guest92965 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:18] good morning to all [05:21] hello lotuspsychje [05:22] hey acheron-a [05:25] its been very quiet here, FYI [05:25] http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-firefox-52-0-2-released-to-fix-crash-on-startup-on-linux-other-issues-514351.shtml [05:25] acheron-a: tnx for the headsup [05:26] lets bring up some users alive now :p [05:38] Ozzy-roborn-USA: morning [05:38] how can i make a bios update, when there is only a .exe file? [05:38] its 12.38 am here .. good night all [05:38] baizon: wich brand is that? [05:39] It's just before midnight here. [05:39] lotuspsychje: https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-RX480-O4G/HelpDesk_Download/ [05:41] baizon: think thats supposed to run from windows only mate [05:42] i dont think .exe can be set on usb an boot or cdrom.. [05:42] and thats really reallly stupid [05:43] yeah i know [05:44] baizon: perhaps the ##hardware guys might know a trick? [05:45] not sure if wine would execute properly... [05:55] baizon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/338763/how-to-update-the-bios-in-ubuntu [05:55] freedos perhaps one time? maybe it can live? [05:58] lotuspsychje: thx [05:59] perhaps Ben64 or ducasse might know another trick [06:10] morning lotuspsychje [06:13] Good morning [06:13] morning lordievader [06:13] morning all [06:13] Hey EriC^^, ducasse. How are you guys? [06:13] hey ducasse [06:14] morning guys! [06:14] good, thanks - you? [06:14] good thanks, what about you lordievader ? [06:15] baizon: sometimes .exe files are self-extracting zip archives that unzip will unpack. [06:19] EriC^^: Doing good here :) [06:19] ducasse: ^ [06:19] Hey lotuspsychje [06:36] one more thing, baizon - if it does need to run under windows and won't work on freedos, you can probably use the windows thingy that's on a few boot/utility-cds. i know at least hirens boot cd has it, at least the version i've got does. [06:36] ok, thanks ducasse [06:36] ducasse: handy to know! [06:37] lotuspsychje: yes, i use it for firmware updates now and then, it's a lot better than having to actually install windows :) [06:37] indeed [06:38] lotuspsychje: work today, mate? [06:38] 5 days off ducasse [06:39] ducasse: and then next week 5 days work at easter holidays [06:40] ah, well. better than how it was when they needed you every single day i suppose. [06:41] yeah things have been better for me like this [06:41] but now the sun comes out, they will need me a lot more [06:44] springtime! \o/ [06:44] yayy [06:45] 300 ppl on our terace lol [07:17] morning [07:19] o/ [08:19] bbl [09:28] re [09:29] howdy OerHeks & ikevin [09:34] hey lotuspsychje :) [09:34] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/has-ubuntu-popularity-peaked [09:35] what you guys think of this? ubuntu keeps stable or ubuntu needs new features every release? [09:35] silly google stats... [09:36] the label 'opinion' should at least take 3/4 page [09:36] the comments are pretty fun to read :p [09:36] joey = crazytux ? :-D [09:36] android vs windodows vs linux [09:36] hahaha [09:37] what you guys think of this? ubuntu keeps stable or ubuntu needs new features every release? <== both, and i think ubuntu need more partners [09:38] ikevin: alot of things are going on IoT & ubuntu partners already right [09:38] but yeah a new phone partner would be nice :p [09:39] i think having big pc reseller as partner can be nice to [09:40] yeah [09:48] morning Wirehunter [10:11] good afternoon [10:11] Wirehunter: hey there, all good? [10:12] lotuspsychje, Yes, just arrived at school to attend computergraphics :P [10:13] Wirehunter: learning an IT grade? [10:14] that's his cover, he's a spy [10:14] lol [10:14] lotuspsychje, Yes. Computer Science at Rotterdam University of applied sciences :D [10:15] oh, i think you can talk to lordievader then, think he also studyed IT in ntherlands [10:15] EriC^^, Haha, yes, I'm shuttleworth right? [10:15] or snowden :p [10:16] he hunts wires for a living [10:16] the data is his prey [10:16] lol [10:16] I do like to play around with Breadboards :) [10:17] we discussed this yesterday internet of things getting exploited already [10:18] by new style hacking-burglers hacking your unsecure network fridge, to open the garage gate [10:23] http://r1ng1.deviantart.com/art/Kubuntu-17-04-Surface-Pro-3-659930569 [10:23] pretty neat on a surface pro [10:49] lotuspsychje, Wirehunter: Nope I have/am studying Electrical Engineering. [10:58] Hello. Trying to understand the implications of upcoming release of Mir. Will individual applications have to support it directly? What will happen if they don't? There has been talk about KDE not going to, Intel not supporting in their gfx driver, etc... Not a flamebait, honest question, just trying to figure out how much of it all is just FUD and how much is real concern. [10:59] blackflow: in the phone you can launch X applications and it runs mir [10:59] so I expect the desktop to be a lot more polished [11:00] brunch875: via XMir? [11:00] I take it so [11:00] on the phone it isn't too straightforward since you need to set up libertine containers and run from there [11:00] but I'm sure it will be a lot more polished on the desktop [11:01] but this answers the "can't run non-mir applications" concern [11:01] it can [11:01] I suspect mir confinement is going to be done with snaps [11:02] and snap works surprisingly well. I am, in fact, running a snapped hexchat [11:02] a bit of false sense of security as long as X is involved [11:02] blackflow: on the phone, X applications are confined in a libertine container [11:02] so it should be secure [11:03] I doubt that. X would have to be changed inside out to provide isolation required, which is great part of why wayland and mir were concieved. [11:04] yeah, I believe it to be xmir and not x [11:06] it looks like the whole infraestructure is built around isolation and message passing. Applications woud just 'not see' each other if not meant to [11:06] hmm, I'll have to dig deeper into XMir and see what exactly is being done there, is it just API/ABI compatibility layer, or actual X (with all its problems) runnign in some context of Mir [11:06] but that's the general idea I have, I don't develop mir myself [11:06] I'm pretty sure it's an API/ABI [11:06] but the bottom line is, there's no apocalypse, if apps won't use Mir directly, they'll just default to X(Mir), right? [11:07] Yes, and this works already [11:11] Neat. [11:24] Hi folks [11:44] Heya BluesKaj, have a good day [11:46] hibr yes,fine here, and you? [11:46] brunch875,^ [11:47] scuse my typos , it's still early :-) [11:49] BluesKaj: fine day; not a single cloud. http://imgur.com/a/DT122 [11:52] brunch875, nice [11:53] we have a few clouds , the forecast is for mostly clear skies here and milder temps, finally [12:20] brunch875, ahh Madrid, I hear it's a really nice city. My sister studied Spanish at the university there. [12:23] but that was long ago. Franco was still in power then. [12:23] ah, me being a youngling didn't get to see it [12:24] madrid right now is... noisy with a lot of cars. But still pretty pretty. [12:25] yes, I've seen on various travrl shoes on tv, like Lonely Planet [12:25] shows even [12:39] afternoon to all [12:39] hey lotuspsychje [12:39] hey BluesKaj [12:40] HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-70-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2,04GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2,0GiB, 40,0% free ** Disk: Total: 109,8GiB, 88,0% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] R420 [Radeon X800 PRO/GTO AGP] ** Sound: VIA8237 - VIA 8237 ** Ethernet: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [12:40] [Marvell] ** Uptime: 45m 11s ** [12:41] my old desktop :p [12:41] my current desktop look like that :x [12:41] flying faster then an i5 [12:42] (on windows) lol [12:42] too bad hexchat doesnt spam hd brand [12:43] samsung 850 pro ssd makes the big difference speedwise [12:56] bbl [12:58] see you [15:46] hi nacc [15:47] lotuspsychje: morning [16:06] oO [17:42] im adding upgrades to my webshop :p http://www.lotuscomputers.be/ [17:43] \o/ [17:44] hey lotus hope all is well \o [17:45] hey daftykins [17:45] how r u mate? [17:45] pizza! \o/ [17:46] bon apetit ducasse [17:46] heya daftykins [17:46] wb lotuspsychje [17:46] tnx EriC^^ :p [17:46] \o [17:46] lotuspsychje: good thanks, but long day :) [17:47] EriC^^: to answer your last barebone question: ive sended mail to entroware, but they never replied me back..think im a too small fish for them...so for now ill stick to an .nl clevo reseller [17:47] :< [17:47] that's frustrating [17:48] yeah cant find any other decent barebones of my wish [17:48] entroware was promising [17:51] dang [17:51] lotuspsychje: odd that they didn't even respond, though. [17:51] perhaps i should resend [17:51] i like the fact that their already ubuntu minded [17:51] Louis on youtube was saying that to become a certified Lenovo guy to sell Lenovo machines and work on their laptops for repair, he'd have to sell 20,000 USD per month of their gear - which means you would have to start lying and not repairing machines to reach your quota [17:52] https://www.entroware.com/store/laptops/triton [17:52] check their configurator [17:53] lotuspsychje: maybe worth a shot, i would at least expect a "sorry, but..." mail back [17:53] yeah i dont wanna be depended from quotas and resellers [17:53] ill find my own way [17:54] entroware config is nice, but would have been nicer with NO HD option and keyboard dutch [17:54] no ram would also be nice [17:55] i got an approval for getting a dog [17:56] my plan with getting the fish first worked [17:56] what's next, a dolphin? ;) [17:57] lol [17:57] now now, EriC^^ can't home Celine Dion [17:58] i ordered a 120liter tank for the fishes and got them some stuff from a local pet store, the guy hasn't called yet to tell me the price though [17:58] oO [17:59] i'm spoiling the heck out of them, i feed them like 4-6 times a day, the red calm one got bigger, but the other black active one is still the same size [17:59] EriC^^: what kind of dog will you get? [18:00] he's like a dog, if i put my finger next to the water he'll swim up quickly to the surface and open his mouth and close it [18:00] ducasse: i was thinking a samoyed, i kind of like the way they look and that they're friendly [18:00] i've been reading a shit ton about puppies and dog care lately [18:02] kind of worried about training him and stuff, they're known to be a little difficult and stuff, plus i kind of worry if he'll somehow snap and bite a chunk off my face or something [18:03] EriC^^: i've wanted a staffordshire bullterrier for years and years, but i doubt my cat would be very happy about it. they're brilliant dogs, though. [18:03] like one day he's like i wonder what this human's face tastes like and he takes a bite [18:03] https://i.imgur.com/fJhagxL.mp4 - important [18:03] also the mouthing and bite inhibition seems to suck [18:04] * lotuspsychje also likes dogs..But not in bed [18:04] daftykins: :D [18:04] i have to let it literally bite me as hard as it can, and then scream in pain a little and get up and go away for like 20secs so it learns not to bite so hard, etc til it's like 6months old [18:05] lol daftykins [18:05] i probably wont get the dog though, it's a lot of work [18:06] yeah could tie you down a bit :S [18:06] EriC^^: did you manage to stop your gran from overfeeding the fish? [18:06] i'd have to take him out for exercising everyday somewhere, and he probably wont sit in the balcony alone and i dont want to keep him in the living room alone with my grandma [18:07] daftykins: yeah, sort of, few days ago there was a piece of toast there, i asked her about it, she said, i was eating and it just fell in [18:07] lol [18:08] who knows [18:08] the fish kind of piss me off at times, when they have food, they won't give a damn at all [18:08] "so now the only thing they'll eat is white toast with marmalade" ;) [18:08] if there's no food, he'll like jump up to the surface and stuff, if there's food they're like meh [18:09] ducasse: lol :D and they shit rainbows [18:09] a 120 liter tank is like big enough for koi's? [18:09] lotuspsychje: i read that like each fish needs 50liters [18:10] i got it really according to the space, plus i wanted 100liters+ [18:10] damn toast just wants the water, maaaan [18:10] they grow as big as the space you give them naturally, if it's a small space they stay tiny [18:11] the guy at the pet shop was hilarious, he didn't have a clue about anything at all [18:11] they had a 60liter one at most, and he was like 'take this one, how many fish do you want? it can have 120fish easily' [18:12] Japanese commuter train mode [18:12] >_< [18:12] then some fish was literally floating on its side dead and half the tail was rotted away, i was like, 'there's a dead fish in there' [18:12] :S [18:13] he was like 'oh the other goldfish killed here, see, if you get a fish from one shop and another fish from another shop, the owners do something to them, so they attack the other fish and eat them' [18:13] lol [18:13] pet shop warfare! [18:14] anyways i think he's not going to call about the custom tank, it's been like 2 days [18:14] there's a local glass cutter shop though so i can just give him the glass specs and silicon it together at home, should be easy [18:16] he had the cutest puppy though in a cage there [18:17] poor puppy :( [18:17] he looked like a mixed breed mutt kind of dog, black, medium sized, with some white and he was like begging at times wit his paws at the cage [18:17] and the owner was like shutting him up and stuff [18:18] initially i wanted to get that pup, my initial argument to my grandma was we'd get him, and ask the guy if we could bring him back without a refund if it didnt work out [18:19] then i figured he was already too big, maybe 9months or so, plus he's been caged all the time so he wouldn't be socialized properly with other dogs and people and stuff so a 2month old would be better [18:19] wich category should i put windows/mac restore to factory defaults? in data backup or upgrades? [18:19] it's very sad though how he's locked up [18:20] lotuspsychje: i'd have thought you'd call it 'crimes' ;D [18:20] hahaha [18:20] lotuspsychje: for windows that's clearly an upgrade [18:20] daftykins: in worst case scenarios i will also do those :p [18:21] ok ill add to upgrades then [18:21] lotuspsychje: i was just joking, actually, but whatever :) [18:22] ;D [18:22] lotuspsychje: you don't have 'other'? [18:22] backup/recovery perhaps [18:22] ducasse: yeah i know, but dont wanna make a new category [18:22] right. [18:22] got 8 main categorys already [18:22] they all fit on /home [18:22] lotuspsychje: maybe something like restoration or resetting or refreshing pc or something [18:22] ? [18:23] hmm what's this for? [18:23] EriC^^: restoring mac & windows back to defaults [18:23] +1 recovery [18:23] for the shop? [18:23] yes [18:23] data backup then? [18:24] lotuspsychje: can't you call 'backup' 'backup/recover'? [18:24] or smth. [18:24] yeah ill ask my admin to do so, good idea [18:25] data backup & recovery [18:25] ducasse: whats your bank accnt number :p [18:25] :) [18:31] lotuspsychje: just noticed, i looked at the security advice thingy, when i run that through google translate it says "U get advice..." etc - is that actually ok in the original and just a bad translation? [18:34] "You will get advice on how to work safely with the Internet and become a victim of social engineering hackers" [18:34] missed a 'not'? ;) [18:35] ducasse: lemme check holdon [18:36] ducasse: yeah think its a bas translate: en geen slachtoffer te worden van social engineering en hackers. [18:36] geen= not [18:37] good :) [18:38] ducasse: found a nice site for copywright free pics now aswell :p [18:38] pixabay.com [18:39] cool, did they have anything you needed? [18:40] ducasse: all the pics in my categorys come from there [18:40] also the ubuntu one [18:40] now looking for a cool recovery pic [18:42] one question: on the main page, should there not be some text under the icons or a mouseover or something? [18:43] ducasse: tried to keep it simple, but perhaps yeah it could be more handy [18:43] it looks good without, but it's not very ui-friendly imo. i'm no designer, though. [18:43] ducasse: my admin proposed first with text, but it was all a bit too much with pink etc [18:44] ducasse: also once you click on 1 category, the user gets the categorys left [18:45] true, you should probably get some opinions on what is best. [18:45] ducasse: i like feedback, tnx [18:46] things are all new, still in motion :p [18:47] lot of work to set up a new business :) [18:48] ducasse: yeah the paperwork got me 8 months already [18:48] arranged a lot of legal stuff [18:51] cwtqty: welcome [19:24] good evening [19:25] hey \o how goes? [19:26] fine, how about you? [19:28] long day but finally home, just fed and ready for sleep... at 8:30pm XD [19:31] You're from Britain? [19:31] Channel Islands [19:46] ducasse: how you like this for data recovery? https://pixabay.com/en/internet-content-portal-search-315132/ [19:47] aka reformatting to defaults [19:49] "can you stop my windows flying off the screen?" [19:49] lol [19:49] i wanna avoid cdroms & brands on the pics also [19:51] how will you trial AOL? [19:51] i don't really have an opinion, other than that it doesn't scream "recovery" to me... [19:52] ducasse: ok Back to search then :p [19:52] not easy to find a decent 'happy recovery pc' pic [19:53] lotuspsychje: i tried looking at some others too, but it wasn't easy... [19:54] i better get ready for sleepytime soon, 14 hours is enough for one day [19:54] kk mate [19:54] soon you will be able to count the IIIOOOOIIIIOOIOIOIIIIOI [19:55] instead of sheep [19:55] i choose to read that as yodelling [19:55] lol [19:59] https://pixabay.com/en/computer-disk-handsomely-1907133/ [19:59] cool but not really reinstalling an Os [20:01] no OS is going back on there ;D [20:01] hahaha [20:01] daftykins: found many floppy pics also heh [20:02] http://ajonas.herokuapp.com/images/aoldisk.jpg [20:02] \o/ [20:02] i still have a drive over in the corner if you want one :) [20:02] wahaha [20:03] wow, look what i found! [20:03] https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2014/06/30/04/00/mouse-379978_960_720.jpg [20:05] dear gods, "i've saved a script from the web, what do i do now?" [20:06] that can't go wrong. [20:06] lol [20:06] oh, from the arch wiki - should be ok :) [20:06] haha [20:07] try some random scripts from darkweb [20:07] skynet.sh [20:08] ask random people on irc to send you their favorites ;) [20:08] lol [20:10] i liked the CD rewind script i got linked to the other day [20:16] i'm useless by now, going to get some sleep. ttyl! [20:16] laterz ducasse [20:16] nn \o [21:33] nite nite guys [21:37] OK. I am here procrastinating on doing what I want to do, rather than what I should be doing :) [21:37] :D that's the spirit [21:37] new fridge tomorrow \o/ but bed for now [21:37] g'night \o changing of the guard [21:39] sleep tight ! daftykins [21:39] ty :>