[05:29] <lotuspsychje> https://www.maketecheasier.com/things-you-could-do-with-adb/
[07:08] <duflu> Oh dear. Guess what happens when you hotplug a monitor in to U8?
[07:08] <duflu> Your primary monitor "becomes a touch pad"
[09:59] <m0n5t3r__> it's been tried with the Motorola Atrix, didn't exactly take off
[10:01] <duflu> I was referring to a desktop machine running Unity8 :)
[10:01] <duflu> Anyway, good night
[10:45] <javier4> abeato: I'm here again. I added the driver struct to my networg-restration.c copying it from rilmodem, and passing it my customized ril_netreg_probe. The problem is that every other fields of this struct is initialized by some functions defined as static inside the original rilmodem/network-registration.c. The only solution I found is to copy all these
[10:45] <javier4> functions in my mtk2/network-registration.c. It seems a bit dumb to me: replying almost the whole file just to add another state to the delayed_register function...
[10:46] <abeato> javier4, you would need to remove the static keyword from them and add the declaration to the new header file
[10:59] <javier4> abeato: yes I know that way. My doubts are about the whole procedure: is it possible that this is the right way? How plugins integrate with core? Original mtk2 plugin is really small, where are all the other functions needed for a modem to work? It fallbacks to rilmodem? And how?
[11:02] <abeato> javier4, there are examples in the mtk driver, that do overrides
[11:02] <abeato> javier4, it is just a matter of doing the same
[11:07] <javier4> Yes, but it doesn't override network-registration functions. One of the drivers that ships its own network-registration.c is hfpmodem. But it defines totally new functions to initialize its driver struct fields, then it doesn't need to reuse rilmodem one. Anyway, I'll try to "unstaticize" rilmodem functions and see what happens. I fear (for you) that we will
[11:07] <javier4> meet again. Thanks again.
[11:07] <javier4> abeato: ^
[13:37] <nonot> hi guys, i'm currently seeking for infos, do you know the frequency time sync on the ubuntu touch's calendar ?
[13:38] <nonot> say me if my phrases is incorrect i have a poor english
[13:39] <dobey> you mean the time between sync runs for calendar to google/ownclouwd/etc?
[13:39] <dobey> i think it might be hourly
[13:40] <dobey> assuming no local changes. don't recall if local changes cause a sync directl or not
[13:40] <dobey> renatu: ^^ do you know?
[13:40] <nonot> yes with external services.
[13:41] <renatu> yes local changes auto sync it
[13:42] <renatu> account poold check for remove changes every 5 minutes. (only works for google accounts, owncloud accounts need manual sync to remote changes)
[13:42] <renatu> s/remove/remote
[13:44] <nonot> renatu do you have a source link about that ?
[13:44] <renatu> nonot, account-poold?
[13:45] <dobey> account-polld
[13:46] <dobey> not pool
[13:46] <nonot> about no sync w/ owncloud renatu
[13:47] <renatu> nonot, this is the account-polld source code: https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/account-polld/trunk
[13:47] <nonot> thanks renatu i will check that
[13:48] <renatu> nonot, this is the caldav plugin: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/account-polld/trunk/view/head:/plugins/caldav/caldav.go
[13:48] <renatu> I was wrong, it does check for events changes.
[13:49] <renatu> but if I remember correct it does not detect event deletion
[14:52] <ferdie> hello
[14:53] <ferdie> hello
[14:53] <brunch875> hello, ferdie
[14:54] <ferdie> Hi. Is this the official devs RC?
[14:55] <dobey> sure
[14:56] <ferdie> btw. I think the porting guide needs to get updated. Almost bricked my phone
[14:57] <dobey> well, cyanogenmod doesn't exist any more either, so yeah. could use some updates
[14:59] <ferdie> How many people here have a ub phone anyways?
[15:00] <brunch875> I have one!
[15:00] <ferdie> Wow!
[15:00] <brunch875> But that's a trick question, since popey probably would make up for all of us
[15:01] <dobey> lots of people do
[15:01] <ferdie> I've been looking everywhere online.
[15:01] <ferdie> Sold out
[15:01] <ferdie> I'd take it as a good sign if I were Meizu
[15:02] <brunch875> ferdie: if you want to get an ubuntu phone, I'd put my eye on the fairphone 2
[15:02] <brunch875> they have a community port
[15:02] <ferdie> Have you seen the price on that thing?!
[15:03] <brunch875> it's just fair!
[15:03] <ferdie> Also, I can't live without a fingerprint scanner
[15:03] <ferdie> screen size is also an issue. I've been using 5.7' practically all my life
[15:05] <brunch875> right now the development is heavy on the desktop side with all the snappy and mir desktop. I wouldn't expect new phone models right away
[15:05] <ferdie> But, how's everyone's first-hand experience been?
[15:06] <brunch875> ferdie: I got an aquaris e4.5 as soon as it was released. Had to bite my tounge every now and then since the store isn't as big as on android
[15:06] <brunch875> lack whatsapp and such
[15:06] <brunch875> on the other hand the phone was very responsive
[15:07] <brunch875> and the battery life is just loooooong
[15:07] <dobey> i have a laptop with a smaller screen than that
[15:07] <brunch875> I remember using the phone for python development when my laptop broke, as a replacement
[15:07] <davmor2> dobey: yeah but you are ever-so-slightly crazy ;)
[15:07] <brunch875> which is something that couldn't have been done on an android
[15:07] <ferdie> But what about the phone's stability?
[15:08] <ferdie> I read somewhere it has network issues
[15:08] <brunch875> ferdie: no network issues on me
[15:08] <brunch875> I did experience some GPS connectivity issues when I got it
[15:08] <brunch875> but then it was patched
[15:08] <ferdie> And the videos I've seen on yotube show it to have an aweful frame-rate
[15:09] <brunch875> framerate?
[15:09] <dobey> seems lik you're just looking for things to complain about, to me :)
[15:09] <brunch875> then the video's framerate must've been low
[15:10] <dobey> i mean, the e4.5 and e5 are not high-end phones.
[15:10] <brunch875> the only real thing I can complain about is libertine containers living in .cache
[15:10] <brunch875> which I wipe often
[15:10] <brunch875> it's like a tic
[15:11] <dobey> there was definitely a notable difference in speed between even my nexus 4 and nexus 5, with ubuntu on them
[15:11] <ferdie> And what about the snaps?
[15:11] <ferdie> Are they just as efficient?
[15:11] <brunch875> the ubuntu phone doesn't use snaps, does it?
[15:11] <ferdie> ...as on the desktop?
[15:11] <dobey> snaps are just packages, and ubuntu phone doesn't use them yet
[15:11] <brunch875> I'm using hexchat right now on snaps
[15:11] <brunch875> snaps are awesome
[15:12] <dobey> still lots of things that need to be worked out to get snap based images for phones
[15:12] <ferdie> I can imagine... <3
[15:12] <ferdie> Really? So what about desktop mode?
[15:13] <ferdie> ...is it real?
[15:13] <brunch875> on the phone?
[15:13] <dobey> sure
[15:13] <brunch875> It is real, but it still needs work
[15:13] <davmor2> ferdie: yeap
[15:13] <dobey> that what you expect that might mean, and what it actually means, might be wildly different
[15:14] <dobey> "windowed mode" is more appropriate
[15:14] <brunch875> ^
[15:14] <ferdie> Okay. let me rephrase that. Is the "windowed mode" just as effective?
[15:14] <ferdie> I imagine it crashing every now and then
[15:14] <brunch875> define effectiveness
[15:15] <brunch875> oh, no. It works well
[15:15] <brunch875> even on the aquaris e4.5, which isn't meant to use it
[15:15] <dobey> well i mean, you get windows you can move around like a normal PC, instead of full sized apps
[15:15] <dobey> but it's all still relatively new code and so plenty of possible issues
[15:16] <dobey> you can run unity8 on your computer today if you want
[15:16] <ferdie> Okay... wow
[15:16] <dobey> would really recommend doing it on a machine with a touch screen, if you have one, and want to try unity8
[15:16] <ferdie> I know. still very unstable(last time I tried which was like 4 months ago)
[15:17] <dobey> there are still lots of assumptions in the code and designs that are valid for phones/tablets, but not normal PCs, so yeah, still some issues
[15:20] <delijati> we need also a "Dockingstation" like Samsung DeX  :/
[15:23] <ferdie> Really? why?
[15:23] <ferdie> What's wrong with direct USB?
[15:24] <delijati> ferdie: its like connecting via ssh ... i would like to use it as a desktop .. as it already is == unity 8
[15:25] <delijati> ferdie: like this https://1.f.ix.de/scale/geometry/696x500/q75/imgs/71/2/1/7/1/5/3/0/_DSC9260-9e07552cea6ca23a.JPG
[15:25] <dobey> well with m10 tablet you just plug in hdmi and usb/bt kb/mouse and you have it. nexus 4/5 should work with slimport adapters, and meizu pro 5 can do aethercast display
[15:25] <delijati> i mean come on i have a full blown desktop with libertine ... but i can't use it
[15:27] <delijati> anyone tried the slimport with the BQ phone ?
[15:39] <ferdie_> Hello, once again!
[15:40] <ferdie_> What's canonical's next step now that they've released it to very few phones??
[15:44] <ferdie_> Do scopes really work as well as they're supposed to?
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: scopes running nicely on ubuntu-touch
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> !devices | ferdie_
[15:48] <ferdie_> yeah, but most of them are old phones and some haven't been updated in years. besides. the Pro 5 has a fingerprint scanner!
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: there's a page on ubuntu's website saying canonical will bring a new device...but nobody knows whats it gonna be
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: we cant look into the future to see wich manufacters will jump along on ubuntu-touch
[15:57] <ferdie_> Mark keeps saying ubuntu-touch isn't their main target at the moment, which I think is just simply sad. I mean, I think if their cloud services are okay, they should try on something new. b ut what do I know
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: i would love more action in the ubuntu phone world, but hey..what can we do other then wait?
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: my ultimate dream is that ubuntu-touch will be installable on any device in the future, would make my day!
[16:02] <note3exynos> hi
[16:06]  * brunch875 smears the 'arm chip situation' on lotuspsychje's face
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: what do you predict will happen mate?
[16:07] <ferdie_> But, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you recomend an ubuntu phone to a noob at it's current state?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: i use my BQ 4.5 as daily driver
[16:07] <brunch875> lotuspsychje: ideally ARM is forced to standardize by comissions or we get something like the w3c consortium
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ferdie_: that really depends how much your tied to your fav android apps or not?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: meaning?
[16:08] <brunch875> meaning it becomes easier for the OS to handle drivers
[16:08] <brunch875> so we finally rid of the android part
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: so we see a bright future?
[16:09] <brunch875> I suppose (:
[16:09] <brunch875> give it 20 years
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> sounds cool for sure loll
[16:09] <ferdie_> lotuspsychje: I wonder why Mark himself and people at Canonical don't use it as their main phones. I think that's a liablility
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> i cant wait 20y for new ubuntu phones
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> i need them now :p
[16:09] <ferdie_> me toooooo!
[16:09] <farthorse> reading all of this stuff seems so sad
[16:10] <brunch875> ah, but time flies :p
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> and BQ stopped to deliver grrr
[16:10] <farthorse> btw, hi guys
[16:10] <farthorse> and gals
[16:10] <brunch875> 'nevening farthorse
[16:11] <farthorse> has anyone here worked on reverse engineering drivers (perhaps to port to Ubuntu Phone)?
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> farthorse: the XDA forums are nicely for ports, maybe take a look?
[16:12] <farthorse> googling now
[16:12] <farthorse> *duckduckgo'ing now
[16:20] <ferdie_> binging now (i think I'm the only human on earth who bings)
[16:21] <dobey> delijati: bq e4.5 and e5 don't support slimport, nor mhl
[16:24] <ferdie_> Wait. Is porting android ROMs somewhat similar to ubuntu phones?
[16:34] <ferdie_> gtg
[20:45] <m0n5t3r> is anyone working on supporting smart watches? I'm pretty sure the $10-ish Chinese things don't use Google's android wear thingy, but having something to show notifications while away from the phone / comfuser is still useful
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> m0n5t3r: there was one brand that support on ubuntu-touch, but forget its name
[20:47] <m0n5t3r> I just got one of these http://www.banggood.com/M26-Bluetooth-R-Watch-SMS-Anti-Lost-Smart-Sport-Watch-For-Android-p-935314.html
[20:48] <m0n5t3r> I assume it's one of those things that are perpetually on sale, I paid 15 USD a month ago, now it's 18...
[20:50] <m0n5t3r> the computer thinks it's a phone, but I'm not sure what that means anyway, I've never been able to do more than browse files over BT with phones (either Android or my current BQ Aquaris)
[20:52] <NotKit> m0n5t3r, those kind of watch have the same hardware as MTK-based feature phones
[20:54] <m0n5t3r> yeah, there is a mediatek 6-something-something inside
[20:54] <m0n5t3r> I didn't have time to look for a serial port :D
[20:55] <dobey> there's a way to use a pebble with ubuntu
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah pebble, tnx for the remind dobey