[15:15] <cmaloney> morning
[15:18] <rick_h> was going to say afternoon but guess it's still morning for a bit
[15:18] <rick_h> wheeee
[15:22] <brousch__> rick_h: We don't need to know about your bathroom breaks.
[15:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, just a bit
[15:23] <cmaloney> rick_h: Ouch re: everyone hanging out on your mifi. ;)
[15:23] <cmaloney> als: fuck you Verizon. :)
[15:25] <jrwren> lol... in years of reading wheeee... I NEVER thought about it that way.
[15:25] <jrwren> thanks brousch__
[15:25] <jrwren> i'm ruined.
[15:26] <brousch__> That's my specialty
[15:27] <rick_h> brousch__: :P
[15:27] <rick_h> cmaloney: yea, my wife gets to work and calls on her way back home this morning "the internet is out can I take the mifi"
[15:27] <rick_h> sure...then it's "how many people can use this thing?" text
[15:27] <cmaloney> heh
[15:27] <rick_h> and then it's "thank you, 9 people using it for work today"
[15:32] <brousch__> Doh
[15:33] <rick_h> what's funny is I guess a cisco router died and the new one is a different version of their OS so they need a support person to help with it so it's going to be out a long time
[15:33] <brousch__> At least it's not MS patch day
[15:33] <rick_h> office is some 12 docs, plus assistants/etc. a bunch of people. Probably 40+people shut down :/
[15:34] <brousch__> A good test of part of their disaster recovery plan
[15:36] <jrwren> cisco is never a good idea, IMO
[15:37] <rick_h> well I'm surprised. Seems like you don't want to go cisco unless you've got cisco brains in house
[15:37] <rick_h> and their IT guy is kind of an office person that knows enough tech to be dangerous
[15:37] <jrwren> very true.
[15:37] <brousch__> Yeah, cisco is annoying for the generalist IT guy
[15:38] <rick_h> I played with it once and it's a whole OS that you have to learn.
[15:38] <jrwren> that is why you outsource that stuff to a cisco certified shop. Then it is an OK idea. A kind of necessary evil.
[15:38] <jrwren> cisco ios isn't that bad
[15:38] <jrwren> its pretty easy to read the docs and do stuff
[15:38] <rick_h> but it's different enough that doing anything on the fly (like when stuff goes boom) isn't going to be quick/easy
[15:38] <jrwren> the annoying part is licensing restrictions and some hardware can't do certain features of teh OS
[15:38] <brousch__> The fact that you need to read docs sucks
[15:38] <rick_h> heh, yea
[15:38] <jrwren> or can't do it unless you buy an expensive license and isntall the license on teh ahrdware.
[15:39] <brousch__> 40 people is a router and a switch
[15:39] <jrwren> I love reading docs and making things work. *shrug*
[15:42] <brousch__> A small shop like that doesn't gain anything by going cisco. They end up with an overly complicated piece of equipment and a dependence on outside contracting to do anything with it.
[15:45] <jrwren> or... they DO gain things, because the network needs for that business are just complex enough that their little IT guy can't manage it.
[15:45] <jrwren> It can go both ways.