| bluesabre | cyphermox, heya | 00:32 |
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| flocculant | knome: apart from a cow on the slideshow it looks ok | 07:09 |
| knome | flocculant, that'll have to slip... | 11:45 |
| flocculant | knome: I guessed that - normal for art ;) I assume not slipping past 13th April though :D | 13:43 |
| knome | well, i don't know | 13:45 |
| knome | :P | 13:45 |
| knome | i'll have to see... | 13:45 |
| flocculant | personally couldn't care if there's an animal on there or not :) | 13:46 |
| knome | yep | 13:50 |
| knome | it's nice to have but it's a lot of work and if nobody seems to have the time... | 13:50 |
| flocculant | yea for sure | 13:51 |
| flocculant | and not many people doing it either | 13:52 |
| flocculant | eg you :D | 13:52 |
| knome | ;) | 13:53 |
| knome | anyway, bbl | 13:53 |
| knome | astraljava+1 is popping over | 13:53 |
| knome | --> | 13:53 |
| flocculant | maybe we should think about opening art up to the community - early in the cycle - see what comes up | 13:56 |
| knome | i'm open to that (no pun intended), as long as we make clear the art direction is chosen by the team (or the artwork team more specifically) etc etc bureaucratic things | 18:22 |
| knome | the problem with this has been for us - and other ubuntu teams - that the submission quality isn't always the best, or the stuff isn't suitable or something else | 18:23 |
| flocculant | yea - wouldn't want it any other way | 18:23 |
| knome | or that there aren't a lot of submission to start with... | 18:23 |
| flocculant | of course | 18:23 |
| knome | the worst situation with this is that we end up not using any submissions | 18:24 |
| flocculant | obviously asking for contributions the week before we want them doesn't help | 18:24 |
| knome | this means we both don't get any help with the workload but we make more work for ourselves | 18:24 |
| knome | and that we then potentially (and likely) have to deal with explaining why none of it was accepted | 18:25 |
| knome | yeah | 18:25 |
| knome | but one recent example is the #lovexubuntu competition | 18:25 |
| flocculant | yup | 18:25 |
| knome | that had *very* low threshold to join/submit, but we didn't end up getting that many submissions | 18:25 |
| flocculant | hence the bit in between the - - above :) | 18:25 |
| knome | well again, remember that the #lovexubuntu contest was open for many months too | 18:26 |
| knome | and still we only got that much material | 18:26 |
| flocculant | mmm | 18:26 |
| knome | the wallpaper contests we've ran have been "okay" | 18:27 |
| knome | i mean, there could have been more submissions | 18:27 |
| knome | i'm so happy we limited submissions per user though | 18:27 |
| knome | and would probably crank that down even more with the next wallpaper contest | 18:28 |
| knome | but then again community wallpapers are something we ship *in addition* to the default one | 18:28 |
| flocculant | just wonder if perhaps we call wallpaper early - using the same 'process' as last time - that's perhaps something we can not worry too much about? | 18:29 |
| knome | so from the team's POV, their perceived quality doesn't need to be as great as for something that goes into the installer slideshow | 18:29 |
| flocculant | but then again - why not choose 1 - default 2 - remaining community set from the submissions? | 18:29 |
| knome | you lost me there | 18:29 |
| knome | but yes, if we do a wallpaper contest for 18.04, we should totally open that for submissions when the development cycle starts | 18:30 |
| knome | the problem the last time was that we didn't have the technology ready | 18:30 |
| flocculant | what I am saying is if time for art is a problem - also have that in the mix | 18:30 |
| knome | right... | 18:31 |
| flocculant | team then picks 1 for default wallpaper - the rest we pick end up as community | 18:31 |
| knome | mhm | 18:31 |
| knome | well, the wallpaper is doable | 18:31 |
| knome | it's always about the same amount of time | 18:31 |
| flocculant | just have to say - we want something simple for default - not a picture of a stormy mountain | 18:31 |
| knome | so it's easier to schedule | 18:31 |
| knome | the animal... well it kind of is the sameish amount of time too, but we're often doing late with the slideshow content too | 18:32 |
| knome | and it's less prominent | 18:32 |
| knome | even if it's shown to everybody | 18:32 |
| flocculant | right - but 16.10's wallpaper screwed it for people with less than perfect eyes and messages - which would have been more noticeable if it wasn't at the end | 18:32 |
| flocculant | and yea - ack on animal thing | 18:33 |
| knome | yep, i'm not saying we shouldn't improve on the artwork timing | 18:33 |
| flocculant | yep - I understand | 18:34 |
| knome | i also don't know how others than me perceive it, but there's something magical into building a release - and getting the wallpaper in later in the cycle - not day 0 | 18:34 |
| flocculant | just throwing ideas out - in the hope it helps us all in the long run :) | 18:34 |
| flocculant | oh yea | 18:34 |
| knome | but later of course being rather before UIF | 18:34 |
| knome | but we've hit that mark relatively consistently :P | 18:35 |
| knome | or a few days later - those days aren't going to make that huge difference | 18:35 |
| flocculant | I'd not want to see release too early - doesn't mean we can't decide early | 18:35 |
| knome | yeah, though keeping things private is a bit meh :) | 18:35 |
| flocculant | anyway - got some batter and a frying pan I need to join together for pancakes - biab :p | 18:36 |
| knome | anyway, to develop the idea about getting community submissions for the installer slideshow... | 18:36 |
| flocculant | knome: it's not private - it's just not public yet | 18:36 |
| knome | instead of asking for "final artwork" kind of stuff, we could ask for ideas | 18:36 |
| flocculant | yep | 18:36 |
| flocculant | biab :) | 18:36 |
| knome | and if we decide an idea is worth pursuing, both do it and involve the idea submitter with the process | 18:37 |
| knome | hf :) | 18:37 |
| * knome goes do some real work | 18:37 | |
| flocculant | that sounds like a useful thought :) | 19:03 |
| knome | that way we can both get ideas from the community (and not come up with them all ourselves) and be on the controls for what the output looks like | 19:09 |
| knome | and we'll also lower the threshold for contributing as we aren't telling we expect something that is already polished/ready | 19:10 |
| flocculant | yup | 19:12 |
| flocculant | worth trying I guess | 19:12 |
| tracker7 | Hello. Is xubuntu-core maintained? | 21:45 |
| knome | it is a community project, not official (yet) | 21:46 |
| tracker7 | ok, but when I google "xubuntu-core", I get stuff from 2015, and there isn't anything on the xubuntu page that is recent, so I'm curious if it's still maintained (and should I use it) | 21:46 |
| knome | you should only use it "if you know what you are doing" | 21:47 |
| knome | again, it's not *yet* official; we're pending on somebody else to get moving forward with it | 21:47 |
| tracker7 | So the current "release", even it's old, is still ok? | 21:47 |
| tracker7 | I mean "apt-get install xubuntu-core" | 21:48 |
| knome | you should consult Unit193 for the details | 21:48 |
| knome | but that should be just as good as it was a few years ago | 21:48 |
| tracker7 | ok. | 21:48 |
| tracker7 | Are there any other "core" distros? | 21:49 |
| knome | there are small distros if that's what you are looking for | 21:49 |
| tracker7 | I'm looking for something that 1) I can use an IDE in, 2) I can install Docker in, 3) is tiny, and 4) makes sense to run as a VBox VM. And I've always liked xubuntu. | 21:50 |
| Unit193 | tracker7: The seed is indeed maintained as part of the seed, I'd also recommend installing the task, not the metapackage. The ISOs, community ISOs, are maintained still. | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20170322.1-gcc7/+build/12301877 :P | 22:18 |
| * bluesabre seems to be terrible at hiding | 22:24 | |
| knome | yep. | 22:25 |
| Unit193 | Or I'm really good at finding. >_> | 22:27 |
| Unit193 | I'd like to blame knome, he pinged me. | 22:27 |
| knome | :P | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | suppose I should get to fixing that | 22:30 |
| knome | fix eeeet | 22:30 |
| Unit193 | Or convince someone else to. | 22:33 |
| knome | good luck with that. ;) | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825658 heh, he wants seamless! | 22:35 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 825658 in lightdm-gtk-greeter "release.debian.org: XFWM4 Compositor Issue - Patches released for LightDM-GTK-Greeter and XFWM4" [Important,Open] | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | We probably suggested includeing that patch | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | dang it | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't matter, xfwm will be fixed soon enough, maybe. | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | one day | 22:37 |
| knome | a strong maybe | 22:37 |
| Unit193 | xfwm4 4.13 has it, but that's a bit iffy. | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | what could possibly go wrong | 22:38 |
| Unit193 | Push to zesty! | 22:39 |
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