[00:32] cyphermox, heya [07:09] knome: apart from a cow on the slideshow it looks ok [11:45] flocculant, that'll have to slip... [13:43] knome: I guessed that - normal for art ;) I assume not slipping past 13th April though :D [13:45] well, i don't know [13:45] :P [13:45] i'll have to see... [13:46] personally couldn't care if there's an animal on there or not :) [13:50] yep [13:50] it's nice to have but it's a lot of work and if nobody seems to have the time... [13:51] yea for sure [13:52] and not many people doing it either [13:52] eg you :D [13:53] ;) [13:53] anyway, bbl [13:53] astraljava+1 is popping over [13:53] --> [13:56] maybe we should think about opening art up to the community - early in the cycle - see what comes up [18:22] i'm open to that (no pun intended), as long as we make clear the art direction is chosen by the team (or the artwork team more specifically) etc etc bureaucratic things [18:23] the problem with this has been for us - and other ubuntu teams - that the submission quality isn't always the best, or the stuff isn't suitable or something else [18:23] yea - wouldn't want it any other way [18:23] or that there aren't a lot of submission to start with... [18:23] of course [18:24] the worst situation with this is that we end up not using any submissions [18:24] obviously asking for contributions the week before we want them doesn't help [18:24] this means we both don't get any help with the workload but we make more work for ourselves [18:25] and that we then potentially (and likely) have to deal with explaining why none of it was accepted [18:25] yeah [18:25] but one recent example is the #lovexubuntu competition [18:25] yup [18:25] that had *very* low threshold to join/submit, but we didn't end up getting that many submissions [18:25] hence the bit in between the - - above :) [18:26] well again, remember that the #lovexubuntu contest was open for many months too [18:26] and still we only got that much material [18:26] mmm [18:27] the wallpaper contests we've ran have been "okay" [18:27] i mean, there could have been more submissions [18:27] i'm so happy we limited submissions per user though [18:28] and would probably crank that down even more with the next wallpaper contest [18:28] but then again community wallpapers are something we ship *in addition* to the default one [18:29] just wonder if perhaps we call wallpaper early - using the same 'process' as last time - that's perhaps something we can not worry too much about? [18:29] so from the team's POV, their perceived quality doesn't need to be as great as for something that goes into the installer slideshow [18:29] but then again - why not choose 1 - default 2 - remaining community set from the submissions? [18:29] you lost me there [18:30] but yes, if we do a wallpaper contest for 18.04, we should totally open that for submissions when the development cycle starts [18:30] the problem the last time was that we didn't have the technology ready [18:30] what I am saying is if time for art is a problem - also have that in the mix [18:31] right... [18:31] team then picks 1 for default wallpaper - the rest we pick end up as community [18:31] mhm [18:31] well, the wallpaper is doable [18:31] it's always about the same amount of time [18:31] just have to say - we want something simple for default - not a picture of a stormy mountain [18:31] so it's easier to schedule [18:32] the animal... well it kind of is the sameish amount of time too, but we're often doing late with the slideshow content too [18:32] and it's less prominent [18:32] even if it's shown to everybody [18:32] right - but 16.10's wallpaper screwed it for people with less than perfect eyes and messages - which would have been more noticeable if it wasn't at the end [18:33] and yea - ack on animal thing [18:33] yep, i'm not saying we shouldn't improve on the artwork timing [18:34] yep - I understand [18:34] i also don't know how others than me perceive it, but there's something magical into building a release - and getting the wallpaper in later in the cycle - not day 0 [18:34] just throwing ideas out - in the hope it helps us all in the long run :) [18:34] oh yea [18:34] but later of course being rather before UIF [18:35] but we've hit that mark relatively consistently :P [18:35] or a few days later - those days aren't going to make that huge difference [18:35] I'd not want to see release too early - doesn't mean we can't decide early [18:35] yeah, though keeping things private is a bit meh :) [18:36] anyway - got some batter and a frying pan I need to join together for pancakes - biab :p [18:36] anyway, to develop the idea about getting community submissions for the installer slideshow... [18:36] knome: it's not private - it's just not public yet [18:36] instead of asking for "final artwork" kind of stuff, we could ask for ideas [18:36] yep [18:36] biab :) [18:37] and if we decide an idea is worth pursuing, both do it and involve the idea submitter with the process [18:37] hf :) [18:37] * knome goes do some real work [19:03] that sounds like a useful thought :) [19:09] that way we can both get ideas from the community (and not come up with them all ourselves) and be on the controls for what the output looks like [19:10] and we'll also lower the threshold for contributing as we aren't telling we expect something that is already polished/ready [19:12] yup [19:12] worth trying I guess [21:45] Hello. Is xubuntu-core maintained? [21:46] it is a community project, not official (yet) [21:46] ok, but when I google "xubuntu-core", I get stuff from 2015, and there isn't anything on the xubuntu page that is recent, so I'm curious if it's still maintained (and should I use it) [21:47] you should only use it "if you know what you are doing" [21:47] again, it's not *yet* official; we're pending on somebody else to get moving forward with it [21:47] So the current "release", even it's old, is still ok? [21:48] I mean "apt-get install xubuntu-core" [21:48] you should consult Unit193 for the details [21:48] but that should be just as good as it was a few years ago [21:48] ok. [21:49] Are there any other "core" distros? [21:49] there are small distros if that's what you are looking for [21:50] I'm looking for something that 1) I can use an IDE in, 2) I can install Docker in, 3) is tiny, and 4) makes sense to run as a VBox VM. And I've always liked xubuntu. [22:10] tracker7: The seed is indeed maintained as part of the seed, I'd also recommend installing the task, not the metapackage. The ISOs, community ISOs, are maintained still. [22:18] bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20170322.1-gcc7/+build/12301877 :P [22:24] * bluesabre seems to be terrible at hiding [22:25] yep. [22:27] Or I'm really good at finding. >_> [22:27] I'd like to blame knome, he pinged me. [22:27] :P [22:28] :D [22:30] suppose I should get to fixing that [22:30] fix eeeet [22:33] Or convince someone else to. [22:33] good luck with that. ;) [22:35] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825658 heh, he wants seamless! [22:35] Debian bug 825658 in lightdm-gtk-greeter "release.debian.org: XFWM4 Compositor Issue - Patches released for LightDM-GTK-Greeter and XFWM4" [Important,Open] [22:36] We probably suggested includeing that patch [22:36] dang it [22:36] :D [22:37] Doesn't matter, xfwm will be fixed soon enough, maybe. [22:37] one day [22:37] a strong maybe [22:37] xfwm4 4.13 has it, but that's a bit iffy. [22:38] what could possibly go wrong [22:39] Push to zesty!