[14:07] <Kiicki> What is the difference between installing Ubuntu 14.04 and updating everything and installing 14.04.5 and updating everything? Or actually any 14.04.x version and updating everything?
[14:10] <hateball> Kiicki: time spent waiting
[14:11] <Kiicki> Damn, wrong chat
[14:11] <Kiicki> Just realized it
[14:11] <Kiicki> I mean the difference must be more then that
[14:15] <Kiicki> As an example we know that the "fglrx" driver is supported in 14.04.x but if you clean install 14.04.5 and update everything, you can't apply the "fgrlx" driver. it's there for sure but you can't apply it. I know that there's no problem doing a clean install of 14.04.1 and applying it so there must be something different.
[14:16] <hateball> I guess .5 has newer HWE, so a more recent kernel/mesa and that renders fglrx obsolete
[18:06] <qswz> how do you guys do with volume Up/Down keys, not working for me?
[18:06] <qswz> it's Fn+up Fn+down actually for m
[18:07] <wxl> which version you on qswz ?
[18:07] <qswz> 16.10
[18:07] <qswz> latest
[18:07] <wxl> i doubt anything's different but lemme boot up my vm
[18:08] <qswz> freshly installed nd happy with lubuntu, raw on my laptop in place of a hacked win10
[18:08] <wxl> well it's based on the key name
[18:08] <wxl> XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[18:08] <qswz> yea I saw that
[18:09] <wxl> so it depends on your keyboard set up really
[18:09] <qswz> will test by doing like they say here http://www.webupd8.org/2016/07/how-to-create-and-edit-keyboard.html
[18:09] <wxl> you can run `xev`
[18:09] <wxl> that will tell you what those keys output
[18:09] <wxl> if it's a different key you can change it
[18:09] <wxl> i'm not sure that's particularly useful but :)
[18:09] <qswz> ok, thanks
[18:10] <wxl> your link, i mean
[18:10] <qswz> hmm I prefer to not install a keylistener :(
[18:10] <wxl> xev is already installed
[18:10] <qswz> ok
[18:10] <wxl> it doesn't record anything
[18:10] <qswz> I meant, my link suggest obkey
[18:10] <wxl> maybe
[18:11] <wxl> still won't necessarily tell you what that key is
[18:11] <qswz> KeyRelease event, serial 48, synthetic NO, window 0x1e00001,     root 0xdd, subw 0x0, time 45074175, (45,113), root:(46,139),     state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
[18:11] <wxl> right so that should do it
[18:11] <qswz> XF86AudioRaiseVolume, so that works well
[18:11] <wxl> you could run the command it's supposedly using and make sure that works
[18:11] <qswz> ok
[18:12] <qswz> amixer -q sset Master 3%+ unmute
[18:13] <qswz> amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Master',0
[18:13] <wxl> ah ha
[18:13] <qswz> hehe
[18:13] <qswz> nice, thanks, will search that
[18:13] <wxl> you should be able to look in alsamixer and see that they call it
[18:13] <wxl> there's also ummm
[18:13] <wxl> aplay -l?
[18:13] <wxl> no that's not it
[18:14] <qswz> http://vpaste.net/AQ2Xs
[18:14] <wxl> amixer!
[18:14] <wxl> just run it with no other thingies. the "Master" should be at the top
[18:14] <wxl> oh no not HDA Intel
[18:15] <wxl> i hear all sorts of problems with this. i have a machine laying around that i need to find the time to test it out on
[18:15] <wxl> but amixer should give you details on what the name is
[18:15] <qswz>  sset sID P      set contents for one mixer simple control
[18:15] <wxl> hopefully it's just that easy :)
[18:18] <qswz> amixer -D pulse sset Master 3%+  //works
[18:19] <wxl> there we go
[18:19] <wxl> so just change the config and you should be good
[18:19] <qswz> thanks man
[18:19] <wxl> np
[18:19] <wxl> make sure to change Mute too
[18:20] <qswz> yea, thanks, efficient debugging!
[18:20] <wxl> i have my days :)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Weird question here but would Lubuntu have the same preinstalled Kernels like Ubuntu has considering the versions?
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.0 (v3.13)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.1 (v3.13)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.2 (v3.16)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.3 (v3.19)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.4 (v4.2)
[19:28] <Kiicki> Ubuntu 14.04.5 (v4.4)
[19:29] <genii> They all have the same base, including the kernels
[19:33] <Kiicki> genii Nice, thank you. I kinda need to be picky with the Kernels considering my setup and I want to try different flavors to see what works the best for me
[19:33] <wxl> there are options to install different kernels regardless of which version your on
[19:33] <Kiicki> So Lubuntu and Ubuntu share the exact same Kernels with the same versions right?
[19:33] <wxl> by default, yes
[19:34] <Kiicki> So Lubuntu 14.04.3 for example has the exact same Kernel as Ubuntu 14.04.3 by default?
[19:34] <Kiicki> Just so I'm sure we are on the same page
[19:34] <wxl> yep
[19:34] <Kiicki> Thank you. I assume the same with xubuntu too.
[19:35] <Kiicki> yeah, why would it be different
[19:36] <wxl> all ubuntu flavors ARE ubuntu
[19:36] <wxl> no flavor has their own PPA of base utilities
[19:36] <wxl> everything (including ubuntu desktop and server) is built on top of ubuntu-core
[19:37] <wxl> er
[19:37] <wxl> ubuntu-base?
[19:38] <genii> I think ubuntu-minimal
[19:38] <wxl> thank you
[19:38] <wxl> sheesh
[19:39]  * genii slides wxl a fresh coffee