[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:37] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon, did you manage to update bios?
[05:38] <baizon> lotuspsychje: nope
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> wow, 107mb ubuntu base update
[05:40] <baizon> again?
[05:40] <baizon> again kernel
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> .71 kernel
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> lets read the ubuntu news :p
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-ubuntu-kernel-update-patches-a-single-vulnerability-affecting-all-versions-514401.shtml
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> this is why baizon :p
[05:46] <baizon> yeah, i heard about that a day ago
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/reset-ubuntu-desktop-default-settings
[05:55] <baizon> havent done that since 14.10 :D
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader how are you?
[06:09] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx
[06:11] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What is #lotuscomputers?
[06:23] <ducasse> morning all
[06:23] <ducasse> lordievader: it's lotus' new business venture
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: feel free to join
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> botsync is pretty fast these days
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> morning ikevin
[07:45] <ikevin> hi lotuspsychje
[07:45] <ikevin> how are you today?
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> great man, how about you ikevin
[07:45] <ikevin> all good here :)
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> ikevin: ready for rocknroll support :p
[07:47] <ikevin> lol, always :p
[13:20] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[13:22] <OerHeks> hi Paul
[13:25] <pauljw> OerHeks
[13:26] <ducasse> hi pauljw, OerHeks
[13:26] <pauljw> hi ducasse
[15:04] <OerHeks> "31 march: World Backup Day"  .. really?
[15:07] <acheron-a> reminds me, i need to do one this morning
[15:09] <OerHeks> sure it can wait another day ..
[15:09] <OerHeks> 1 april :-D
[15:17] <acheron-a> all done
[15:36] <andreschandiaf> First time on this kind of interface..
[15:36] <andreschandiaf> I need to do a social question to ubuntu(ers)
[15:36] <andreschandiaf> Any body there?
[15:37] <nacc> andreschandiaf: yes, but no one is obligated to respond
[15:37] <acheron-a> whats that?
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:37] <acheron-a> hello lotuspsychje
[15:37] <andreschandiaf> Ok, thanks, there it goes
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hey there acheron-a
[15:38] <andreschandiaf> I'm a happy Ubuntu user since  2006, and I'm engaged in some way with a social project of bringing opportunities and development for a small indigenous community of the south of Chile, the mapuche.
[15:38] <andreschandiaf> A group of them tells me they have an offering from (sorry I have to write this word even though I don't want) Microsoft.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> andreschandiaf: nice to hear
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> andreschandiaf: a bit like munich .gov germany
[15:38] <andreschandiaf> They are offering to form teenagers, make them digitally capable for them to have better opportunities at work-related level, with some kind of certification, but this will attach them to Microsoft for the rest of their lives... I can ask for more details if necessary.
[15:39] <andreschandiaf> Well, the thing is, is there any similar project from Ubuntu that does similar things, and in this way give freedom to people instead of condemn them to Microsoft.
[15:40] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[15:41] <OerHeks> andreschandiaf, there is a history ubuntu+microsoft, also oracle, also ibm and more .. https://insights.ubuntu.com/tag/microsoft
[15:42] <andreschandiaf> what I can find there?
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> check your invite nacc, OerHeks pauljw
[15:42] <OerHeks> lots of articles about ms & u, i think bug 1 is no longer valid
[15:43] <andreschandiaf> Oh, you mean similar projects to what I'm looking for?
[15:44] <OerHeks> ehm, no, i just point at this, because you feel like not trusting microsoft, if they offer an internship or schooling, that is not bad.
[15:45] <andreschandiaf> Yeah, I know, the bad thing is  attach them forever to Microsoft, give them no alternative insight
[15:49] <OerHeks> That could not be true, not working with opensource software ..
[15:51] <DArqueBishop> "Attach them forever to Microsoft"?
[15:51] <DArqueBishop> Yeah, no.
[15:51] <andreschandiaf> Well, at least is what I've been informed from this community, the schools where they would be trained would have to buy licences for 5 years.....
[15:51] <andreschandiaf> I have exageratet, but anyway, 5 years
[15:53] <DArqueBishop> I know it's cool and hip to hate Microsoft, but the reality is that they're here, have a significant dominance of several markets, and are not going to go away anytime soon.
[15:53] <nacc> and you can use 'bash' in it
[15:54] <nacc> tbh, compared to what i remember at a Bill Gates talk 20 years ago, they are significantly more amenable to OSS than they used to be
[15:56] <andreschandiaf> Ok, so no alternative?
[15:59] <acheron-a> probably not something we can answer
[16:00] <acheron-a> more like a question for Canonical management
[16:02] <andreschandiaf> How do I readch Canonical management?
[16:03] <acheron-a> i'd check the main website
[16:04] <andreschandiaf> Ok, thanks, off I go..
[16:04] <acheron-a> good luck with it
[16:41] <daftykins> that guy felt wrong even typing 'Microsoft'... what an absolute idiot
[16:43] <nacc> some people feel stronger about it than others -- idealism vs. realism?
[16:43] <acheron-a> oh, well
[16:45] <ducasse> daftykins: i think that was just to show he had what he thought was an appropriate amount of hate for them.
[16:45] <acheron-a> i'm really liking unity once i used it for a while
[16:48] <daftykins> well anyone taking that approach just looks like a child
[16:49] <ducasse> i agree, i just think it is common to assume that all linux users loathe ms.
[16:49] <daftykins> just shows they couldn't drive it to me ;D
[16:51] <acheron-a> the push to kill win7 and making the update process so cumbersome brought me to try linux.  i was was on Mint for about 9 months but they do some odd stuff with the Cinn DE since 17.3 and decided to come back to Ubuntu
[16:52] <acheron-a> mostly issues with sound in mint, just on their Cinn DE, too, all the KDE and the others were fine
[16:52] <daftykins> wise move, there's no good reason to go near Mint
[16:52] <acheron-a> then i started looking at the dconf settings, oh what a mess in there
[16:52] <daftykins> not sure what you mean on the update front though, there *were* big delays on checking and installing for new installations, but those are easily resolved once you have specific updates on first (Windows 7 and 8 that is)
[16:53] <acheron-a> i think they lost focus when the decided to start writing their on x-apps and there is nothing wrong with e-vice, gedit and totem
[16:55] <acheron-a> "there's no good reason to go near Mint", why do you say that daftykins?
[16:57] <ducasse> because there aren't any, and mint introduces problems of its own?
[16:57] <daftykins> because everything they did different is available directly on ubuntu, without using their modified repos which hold back security updates and cause problems all the time
[16:57] <acheron-a> its pretty tempting for a new linux user but i agree from my personal experience
[16:57] <daftykins> it is a *JUNK* distro
[17:03] <acheron-a> every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware
[17:07] <daftykins> acheron-a: me specifically? yes because i gave over 10 years of support in #ubuntu
[17:07] <daftykins> and Mint is a joke which creates problems.
[17:08] <daftykins> especially as they couldn't get help from Mint channels so would pretend to be running ubuntu...
[17:08] <daftykins> i might have misunderstood what you just said though
[17:09] <acheron-a> well i am done with it after struggling with sound issues and the latest grub2 install failure, i never get those issues on any other popular distro and DE
[17:10] <daftykins> were you trying to say that i personally only ever classify Linux problems as the person or their system? :D
[17:10] <acheron-a> they said to unplug the lan to fix that, why don't they fix the installer?
[17:10] <daftykins> haha yeah that's pretty bad
[17:11] <acheron-a> its busy in the background trying to put in place the new grub2 release and so it fails
[17:11] <acheron-a> there was a new grub2 release recently
[17:12] <daftykins> ah well you don't seem to be responding directly so i give up
[17:12] <acheron-a> i'm good
[17:13] <daftykins> is there any reason why? you make some stupid comment about my assistance and then refuse to back it up?
[17:13] <daftykins> plus you're new.
[17:14] <acheron-a> i never made any comment about your support, i was talking about Clem
[17:14] <daftykins> about what?
[17:14] <daftykins> < acheron-a> every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware <--- this one?
[17:14] <daftykins> is there someone in here talking that i've got on ignore or something... i only see us
[17:15] <acheron-a> every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware <-- yes, i was talking about the Mint Dev team
[17:16] <daftykins> oooooh as in when you raise an issue with them, i'm sorry i misunderstood
[17:17] <acheron-a> but its a junk disto
[17:18] <OerHeks> mate seems to be populair
[17:18] <EriC^^> if mint is a junk distro, what is kali then? :D
[17:18] <OerHeks> but now it is in our repos too, no need to install mint.
[17:18] <OerHeks> kali is a backdoor to hackers
[17:19] <acheron-a> just for example, there is an error in the cs_sound.py file for  18.0 Cinn DE, but i would have to wait until after the first big update to copy the corrected cs_sound.py file into /usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/modules/ because the first would overwite it with the bad one!
[17:19] <acheron-a> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1237676#p1237676
[17:19] <acheron-a> thats just ONE instance
[17:20] <acheron-a> why couldn't they put the corrected one in the update?  insane
[17:20] <acheron-a> and over it
[17:21] <OerHeks> why would they read their own forum?
[17:22] <acheron-a> because Mint is perfect
[17:23] <acheron-a> if there is something wrong, its all on 'you'
[17:24] <daftykins> EriC^^: i can't even remember of Kali is back on a debian base now or still on ubuntu
[17:24] <daftykins> *remember if
[17:24] <daftykins> all those wannabe hackers... ;D
[17:25] <pauljw_AOD257> heheh...
[17:25] <daftykins> acheron-a: well there are ways around that with APT, but i don't see why they didn't just update the package
[17:33] <acheron-a> i see Debian missed its release date
[17:37] <pauljw_AOD257> is it better to on time, or to be ready?
[17:38] <daftykins> indeed, fixed first
[17:39] <acheron-a> i'd rather have it good than on time
[17:39] <pauljw_AOD257> yep
[17:39] <acheron-a> troubleshooting bugs wastes a lot of time
[17:40]  * daftykins chuckles at the 847MB firmware download for his clients LG OLED TV
[17:40] <pauljw_AOD257> :)
[17:41] <acheron-a> those tvs sure look nice
[17:41] <daftykins> mm the B6 is amazing, got it over here in tax-free land for £2,400 back in December
[17:51] <EriC^^> man i want an oled
[17:52] <nicomachus> I want amoled
[17:53] <EriC^^> what's that?
[17:53] <nicomachus> they have some really cool android apps that work with amoled and can turn off a percentage of the pixels on the screen to save battery
[17:53] <nicomachus> basically only Samsung phones. They do real true black, though, because they actually turn off a pixel to render black
[17:55] <EriC^^> aha
[18:00] <daftykins> the Nexus 4 of mine was AMOLED, rubbish in the sun
[18:05] <nicomachus> daftykins: really? I thought Samsung was the only one making them
[18:06] <daftykins> samsung like to hold that rep but nope, years old kit
[18:06] <daftykins> the Nexus 4 was made by LG back years ago :>
[18:06] <nicomachus> too bad LG didn't use it in my Nexus 5x
[18:06] <EriC^^> i think my phone is also amoled come to think of it
[18:06] <EriC^^> it's a very cheap samsung j-ace something the cheapest version
[18:07] <EriC^^> it is very rubbishy in the sun, can't see much, also when the battery gets to like 5% or so it becomes almost useless
[18:09] <daftykins> hehe
[18:09] <daftykins> sounds about right
[18:10] <EriC^^> the camera on this sucker is impressive though, i got to admit
[18:13] <EriC^^> ducasse you wanna work on that ppa-purge addition thing?
[18:19] <ducasse> EriC^^: too late for me, i'm afraid, i'm just finishing up on a few things before heading to bed. ask me a bit earlier tomorrow, i'm pretty useless in the evening :)
[18:19] <EriC^^> no worries :)
[18:20] <daftykins> that about getting ppa-purge into the default repos or something?
[18:20] <ducasse> improving it to work on non-launchpad ppas etc
[18:21] <daftykins> oic
[18:35] <ducasse> is it troll hour again already? :)
[18:37] <nicomachus> ducasse: guess so
[19:08] <daftykins> does it ever end?
[19:11] <ducasse> no, they just go away for long enough to regroup.
[19:12] <daftykins> ;)
[19:12] <daftykins> ducasse: just removed the majority of the spare Mischief from my top bed sheet :P
[19:12] <daftykins> good fistful of fur
[19:14] <ducasse> i found out the other day that luna has a secret nest on top of some sweaters in a closet, i swear there was enough of her there to knit a new one.
[19:16] <ducasse> (a new sweater that is, knitting a cat would be more involved)
[19:17] <daftykins> XD
[19:57] <OerHeks> 	wildpenguin a.k.a. now known as CrazyTux
[20:02] <daftykins> o0
[20:02] <daftykins> that nick rings a bell
[20:09] <nicomachus> I've seen CrazyTux
[20:09] <daftykins> and lived? well that's a good sign
[20:10] <nicomachus> I mean, I kinda lived.
[20:10] <OerHeks> my crazy tux .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/71wm136pidiq3f1/2016-tux-wood.JPG?dl=0
[20:14] <OerHeks> nicknaam woody
[20:14] <pauljw> nice OerHeks, did you carve him?
[20:15] <OerHeks> No, found it at a fleemarket somewhere, could not resist taking him home
[20:15] <OerHeks> or her
[20:16] <pauljw> :)
[20:20] <pauljw> just following the rules of the english language...
[20:30] <nicomachus> english has RULES?!
[20:36] <OerHeks> int. english?
[20:37] <OerHeks> caveman-english?
[20:37] <OerHeks> cartoonnetwork-english?
[20:48] <pauljw> heheh... yep, it does.  so does science, but the PC crowd ignores them, too.
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Water restored to the house - That Is a Good Thing
[21:07] <daftykins> \o/
[21:07] <daftykins> where'd it go!?
[21:07] <daftykins> Bashing-om: also wb :D
[21:10] <Bashing-om> Oh daftykins The water was there, just not making it to here :) - Replaced the pressure switch at the well head . ( still to do is replace the water line permanently from the well to the house ) // And glad to be back on IRC - bout time !
[21:11] <daftykins> ah har
[23:43]  * acheron-a xD *