[05:37] good morning to all [05:37] hi lotuspsychje [05:37] hey baizon, did you manage to update bios? [05:38] lotuspsychje: nope [05:40] wow, 107mb ubuntu base update [05:40] again? [05:40] again kernel [05:40] .71 kernel [05:42] lets read the ubuntu news :p [05:46] http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-ubuntu-kernel-update-patches-a-single-vulnerability-affecting-all-versions-514401.shtml [05:46] this is why baizon :p [05:46] yeah, i heard about that a day ago [05:49] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/reset-ubuntu-desktop-default-settings [05:55] havent done that since 14.10 :D [05:55] hehe [06:09] Good morning. [06:09] hey lordievader how are you? [06:09] Doing good here, how are you? [06:10] great here tnx [06:11] lotuspsychje: What is #lotuscomputers? [06:23] morning all [06:23] lordievader: it's lotus' new business venture [06:26] lordievader: feel free to join [07:16] !info linux-image-generic xenial [07:16] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.71.77 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB [07:16] botsync is pretty fast these days [07:42] morning ikevin [07:45] hi lotuspsychje [07:45] how are you today? [07:45] great man, how about you ikevin [07:45] all good here :) [07:46] ikevin: ready for rocknroll support :p [07:47] lol, always :p [13:20] Hi everyone [13:22] hi Paul [13:25] OerHeks [13:26] hi pauljw, OerHeks [13:26] hi ducasse [15:04] "31 march: World Backup Day" .. really? [15:07] reminds me, i need to do one this morning [15:09] sure it can wait another day .. [15:09] 1 april :-D [15:17] all done [15:36] First time on this kind of interface.. [15:36] I need to do a social question to ubuntu(ers) [15:36] Any body there? [15:37] andreschandiaf: yes, but no one is obligated to respond [15:37] whats that? [15:37] good afternoon to all [15:37] hello lotuspsychje [15:37] Ok, thanks, there it goes [15:37] hey there acheron-a [15:38] I'm a happy Ubuntu user since 2006, and I'm engaged in some way with a social project of bringing opportunities and development for a small indigenous community of the south of Chile, the mapuche. [15:38] A group of them tells me they have an offering from (sorry I have to write this word even though I don't want) Microsoft. [15:38] andreschandiaf: nice to hear [15:38] andreschandiaf: a bit like munich .gov germany [15:38] They are offering to form teenagers, make them digitally capable for them to have better opportunities at work-related level, with some kind of certification, but this will attach them to Microsoft for the rest of their lives... I can ask for more details if necessary. [15:39] Well, the thing is, is there any similar project from Ubuntu that does similar things, and in this way give freedom to people instead of condemn them to Microsoft. [15:40] hey lotuspsychje [15:41] hey pauljw [15:41] andreschandiaf, there is a history ubuntu+microsoft, also oracle, also ibm and more .. https://insights.ubuntu.com/tag/microsoft [15:42] what I can find there? [15:42] check your invite nacc, OerHeks pauljw [15:42] lots of articles about ms & u, i think bug 1 is no longer valid [15:42] bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [15:43] Oh, you mean similar projects to what I'm looking for? [15:44] ehm, no, i just point at this, because you feel like not trusting microsoft, if they offer an internship or schooling, that is not bad. [15:45] Yeah, I know, the bad thing is attach them forever to Microsoft, give them no alternative insight [15:49] That could not be true, not working with opensource software .. [15:51] "Attach them forever to Microsoft"? [15:51] Yeah, no. [15:51] Well, at least is what I've been informed from this community, the schools where they would be trained would have to buy licences for 5 years..... [15:51] I have exageratet, but anyway, 5 years [15:53] I know it's cool and hip to hate Microsoft, but the reality is that they're here, have a significant dominance of several markets, and are not going to go away anytime soon. [15:53] and you can use 'bash' in it [15:54] tbh, compared to what i remember at a Bill Gates talk 20 years ago, they are significantly more amenable to OSS than they used to be [15:56] Ok, so no alternative? [15:59] probably not something we can answer [16:00] more like a question for Canonical management === JanC is now known as Guest23500 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:02] How do I readch Canonical management? [16:03] i'd check the main website [16:04] Ok, thanks, off I go.. [16:04] good luck with it [16:41] that guy felt wrong even typing 'Microsoft'... what an absolute idiot [16:43] some people feel stronger about it than others -- idealism vs. realism? [16:43] oh, well [16:45] daftykins: i think that was just to show he had what he thought was an appropriate amount of hate for them. [16:45] i'm really liking unity once i used it for a while [16:48] well anyone taking that approach just looks like a child [16:49] i agree, i just think it is common to assume that all linux users loathe ms. [16:49] just shows they couldn't drive it to me ;D [16:51] the push to kill win7 and making the update process so cumbersome brought me to try linux. i was was on Mint for about 9 months but they do some odd stuff with the Cinn DE since 17.3 and decided to come back to Ubuntu [16:52] mostly issues with sound in mint, just on their Cinn DE, too, all the KDE and the others were fine [16:52] wise move, there's no good reason to go near Mint [16:52] then i started looking at the dconf settings, oh what a mess in there [16:52] not sure what you mean on the update front though, there *were* big delays on checking and installing for new installations, but those are easily resolved once you have specific updates on first (Windows 7 and 8 that is) [16:53] i think they lost focus when the decided to start writing their on x-apps and there is nothing wrong with e-vice, gedit and totem [16:55] "there's no good reason to go near Mint", why do you say that daftykins? [16:57] because there aren't any, and mint introduces problems of its own? [16:57] because everything they did different is available directly on ubuntu, without using their modified repos which hold back security updates and cause problems all the time [16:57] its pretty tempting for a new linux user but i agree from my personal experience [16:57] it is a *JUNK* distro [17:03] every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware [17:07] acheron-a: me specifically? yes because i gave over 10 years of support in #ubuntu [17:07] and Mint is a joke which creates problems. [17:08] especially as they couldn't get help from Mint channels so would pretend to be running ubuntu... [17:08] i might have misunderstood what you just said though [17:09] well i am done with it after struggling with sound issues and the latest grub2 install failure, i never get those issues on any other popular distro and DE [17:10] were you trying to say that i personally only ever classify Linux problems as the person or their system? :D [17:10] they said to unplug the lan to fix that, why don't they fix the installer? [17:10] haha yeah that's pretty bad [17:11] its busy in the background trying to put in place the new grub2 release and so it fails [17:11] there was a new grub2 release recently [17:12] ah well you don't seem to be responding directly so i give up [17:12] i'm good [17:13] is there any reason why? you make some stupid comment about my assistance and then refuse to back it up? [17:13] plus you're new. [17:14] i never made any comment about your support, i was talking about Clem [17:14] about what? [17:14] < acheron-a> every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware <--- this one? [17:14] is there someone in here talking that i've got on ignore or something... i only see us [17:15] every time you bring up an issue, its always the users fault or their hardware <-- yes, i was talking about the Mint Dev team [17:16] oooooh as in when you raise an issue with them, i'm sorry i misunderstood [17:17] but its a junk disto [17:18] mate seems to be populair [17:18] if mint is a junk distro, what is kali then? :D [17:18] but now it is in our repos too, no need to install mint. [17:18] kali is a backdoor to hackers [17:19] just for example, there is an error in the cs_sound.py file for 18.0 Cinn DE, but i would have to wait until after the first big update to copy the corrected cs_sound.py file into /usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/modules/ because the first would overwite it with the bad one! [17:19] https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1237676#p1237676 [17:19] thats just ONE instance [17:20] why couldn't they put the corrected one in the update? insane [17:20] and over it [17:21] why would they read their own forum? [17:22] because Mint is perfect [17:23] if there is something wrong, its all on 'you' [17:24] EriC^^: i can't even remember of Kali is back on a debian base now or still on ubuntu [17:24] *remember if [17:24] all those wannabe hackers... ;D [17:25] heheh... [17:25] acheron-a: well there are ways around that with APT, but i don't see why they didn't just update the package [17:33] i see Debian missed its release date [17:37] is it better to on time, or to be ready? [17:38] indeed, fixed first [17:39] i'd rather have it good than on time [17:39] yep [17:39] troubleshooting bugs wastes a lot of time [17:40] * daftykins chuckles at the 847MB firmware download for his clients LG OLED TV [17:40] :) [17:41] those tvs sure look nice [17:41] mm the B6 is amazing, got it over here in tax-free land for £2,400 back in December [17:51] man i want an oled [17:52] I want amoled [17:53] what's that? [17:53] they have some really cool android apps that work with amoled and can turn off a percentage of the pixels on the screen to save battery [17:53] basically only Samsung phones. They do real true black, though, because they actually turn off a pixel to render black [17:55] aha [18:00] the Nexus 4 of mine was AMOLED, rubbish in the sun [18:05] daftykins: really? I thought Samsung was the only one making them [18:06] samsung like to hold that rep but nope, years old kit [18:06] the Nexus 4 was made by LG back years ago :> [18:06] too bad LG didn't use it in my Nexus 5x [18:06] i think my phone is also amoled come to think of it [18:06] it's a very cheap samsung j-ace something the cheapest version [18:07] it is very rubbishy in the sun, can't see much, also when the battery gets to like 5% or so it becomes almost useless [18:09] hehe [18:09] sounds about right [18:10] the camera on this sucker is impressive though, i got to admit [18:13] ducasse you wanna work on that ppa-purge addition thing? [18:19] EriC^^: too late for me, i'm afraid, i'm just finishing up on a few things before heading to bed. ask me a bit earlier tomorrow, i'm pretty useless in the evening :) [18:19] no worries :) [18:20] that about getting ppa-purge into the default repos or something? [18:20] improving it to work on non-launchpad ppas etc [18:21] oic [18:35] is it troll hour again already? :) [18:37] ducasse: guess so [19:08] does it ever end? [19:11] no, they just go away for long enough to regroup. [19:12] ;) [19:12] ducasse: just removed the majority of the spare Mischief from my top bed sheet :P [19:12] good fistful of fur [19:14] i found out the other day that luna has a secret nest on top of some sweaters in a closet, i swear there was enough of her there to knit a new one. [19:16] (a new sweater that is, knitting a cat would be more involved) [19:17] XD [19:57] wildpenguin a.k.a. now known as CrazyTux [20:02] o0 [20:02] that nick rings a bell [20:09] I've seen CrazyTux [20:09] and lived? well that's a good sign [20:10] I mean, I kinda lived. [20:10] my crazy tux .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/71wm136pidiq3f1/2016-tux-wood.JPG?dl=0 [20:14] nicknaam woody [20:14] nice OerHeks, did you carve him? [20:15] No, found it at a fleemarket somewhere, could not resist taking him home [20:15] or her [20:16] :) [20:20] just following the rules of the english language... [20:30] english has RULES?! [20:36] int. english? [20:37] caveman-english? [20:37] cartoonnetwork-english? [20:48] heheh... yep, it does. so does science, but the PC crowd ignores them, too. [21:05] Water restored to the house - That Is a Good Thing [21:07] \o/ [21:07] where'd it go!? [21:07] Bashing-om: also wb :D [21:10] Oh daftykins The water was there, just not making it to here :) - Replaced the pressure switch at the well head . ( still to do is replace the water line permanently from the well to the house ) // And glad to be back on IRC - bout time ! [21:11] ah har [23:43] * acheron-a xD *