[02:03] hi guys [02:06] I was wondering how I can help your project. I would like to contribute either by testing some stuff [02:07] documentation (I speak FR...as in Frog language) [02:07] or even coding. [02:07] I'm so fucking tired of X11 [02:09] it has been a problem in my life from day zero with Linux.... back to my slackware days with kernel 1.2.13 in the 90s... [02:10] I really hope that X dies forever [02:10] it's just stopping Linux to evolves [02:11] its a pain in the ass...in the early 2000s i had moved to Mac OS/X because I could finally have a bash prompt and a nice graphical (accelerated) UI......thanks Quartz... [02:15] I'm trying KDE5 Plasma these days...its nice and fast but it keeps on bugging when you search for an app...everything disappears and restarts...reminds me of windows 95 /NT era when you had to kill explorer.exe and restart it...same crap ! [02:15] ok ill stop talking [02:15] nobody is listening anyway [02:18] hey [02:42] ZorroDaCat: Agreed and welcome. But this time of day only Asia/Australia/NZ is online :) [02:42] ok thanks [02:42] np [02:43] ZorroDaCat: You are free to dive into the code and start hacking ideas. Although we would also appreciate some work on tidying up and triaging the bug backlog bugs.launchpad.net/mir [02:44] ZorroDaCat: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/index.html [02:44] im from Montreal...GMT-5 (NYC time) .... Thanks I'll check that out and come back [02:45] Nice place. The team was there for a meeting last year [02:49] Should I use the latest 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) to get in sync with all you guys..?? Yeah cool place..but still winter here... [02:51] ZorroDaCat: Yes the unwritten rule is Unity8/Mir development is only active on the current Ubuntu development series. So 17.04 right now [02:51] Although lp:mir does build and run fine in 16.04 still [02:53] And probably 16.10(?). However being neighter LTS nor the bleeding edge 16.10 gets ignored. Which some may find surprising given its the current stable release [02:53] neither :) [02:53] it's [02:53] * duflu stops correcting his spelling [02:54] ok i need to reinstall my box anyway...was trying KDE5 on Mint 18 (16.04-based)...will switch to pure ubuntu...and follow the rules [02:59] do you think it's going to be a display server war with Wayland like beta/VHS back in the days ? [03:00] I don't think it's really a war. People will choose Ubuntu or Fedora or something else. The display server they get is just a consequence of that. So nothing is really new [03:01] I see.. but what about nVidia/AMD supporting one or the other in proprietary drivers? [03:02] I think we'll have 100% coverage within a year. You will be able to use any driver with any display server [03:02] Wow impressive....I guess both will follow Mir since the most popular distros are all based on ubuntu.... [03:03] I don't think Ubuntu actually has that much influence on Nvidia. They are a very big company. However they are slowly working toward interfaces that will allow everyone to play together [03:04] In Mir we're lookin at supporting the proprietary Nvidia driver this year [03:04] It's in progress [03:05] And actually much of the code is already started. You can find it in the source tree as src/platforms/eglstream-kms/ [03:10] okay.... im just thinking outloud :) intel seems to contribute more and more code the last few years with initiative [03:11] i mean for intel graphics of course [03:13] Certainly Intel is a very big open source contributor. But they have to be if they want to sell hardware [03:13] im not a gamer but im thinking about getting a new intel cpu with integrated graphics...i only got an old amd quad core (kabini:low power APU) at the moment...with a gt710 nv card.. [03:14] yeah [03:14] ZorroDaCat: The nouveau driver is a problem right now for Mir/Unity8. If you can avoid using it please do. [03:15] ok i could use the builtin radeon from the APU....np... [03:15] Yeah I think the open source radeon driver is much more solid [03:17] i also got my wifes mid-2012 macbook air with intel graphics...but I've never tried linux on it...dunno if she would be happy that I partition/dual boot her laptop , eh LOL :) [03:19] btw who makes the best desktop PCs right now for ubuntu...system76? [03:23] ok going to bed.....good morning to all of you...thanks again duflu [03:24] ZorroDaCat: Laptops are personal choice :) Later... [03:25] also a personal choice [03:59] RAOF: Can I assume we stopped using connector_id because it's not unique? [03:59] Have I asked this already? Don't remember [04:00] duflu: I'm not entirely sure whether it's unique or not (it probably is). [04:00] I stopped using connector_id because it's easier to pass in a drmModeConnectorUPtr. [04:01] * duflu wonders where those numbers come from. Maybe dev nodes? [04:02] They're drm identifiers. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:02] They mostly get assigned by drm core when the driver says “and I've got an output”. === hikiko_ is now known as hikiko [07:52] hello :) [07:52] alan_g, and other mir people, I dist-upgraded and ran miral-shell and received a segfault, here's the bt: [07:52] https://pastebin.com/print/CqEL9vZT [07:53] any ideas if I am missing some package, or what this could be? [07:54] maybe it's normal to see this when I am not root? [08:02] * alan_g looks [08:06] hikiko: it isn't normal. Are you using miral-shell from the archive or a local build? [08:06] alan_g, from the repository but when I am root it's fine [08:06] I am also running on a schroot [08:07] I don't know if that's relevant [08:07] what's the commandline? [08:07] just miral-shell [08:07] without parameters [08:10] what is the console output [08:10] ? [08:12] https://pastebin.com/raw/vmXKAwZh [08:12] alan_g, ^ [08:15] hikiko: that looks like a failure to open the X socket - but I don't see how that leads to the backtrace [08:16] no idea either [08:16] But then I don't use schroot much [08:16] alan_g, it shouldn't be schroot [08:16] because I could start miral-shell before [08:17] with the same settings [08:17] Can you start a normal X11 app? Say gedit? [08:18] yes alan_g [08:19] everything else is working [08:23] Does mir_demo_server fail the same way? [08:23] let me check [08:24] alan_g, how can I run mir_demo_server? [08:24] do I need to build mir? [08:24] or it's somewhere installed? [08:24] sudo apt install mir-demos && mir_demo_server [08:25] yes [08:25] exactly the same message [08:26] https://pastebin.com/hBxnjgKY <- alan_g mir_demo_server message [08:27] thanks for confirming that. [08:28] I don't have a quick solution - can you log a bug (including the schroot setup)? [08:28] Sorry. [08:29] The bug should be against Mir. [08:29] no problem alan_g :) I ll log it in a while, thanks a lot! [08:29] yes, it's obviously not miral [08:57] here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1677523 [08:57] Ubuntu bug 1677523 in Mir "mir_demo_server segfaults in schroot" [Undecided,New] [09:05] hikiko: thanks [09:15] yw === RAOF is now known as Guest86599 [10:25] WTF?! I just updated zesty and miral-shell now crashes on startup [10:25] Server supports 2 of 10 surface pixel formats. Using format: 3 [10:25] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::range_error' [10:25] what(): wstring_convert::from_bytes [10:31] Oh, it's std::wstring_convert> [10:59] alan_g, yes [10:59] same here [10:59] and I have this error: [10:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/miral/+bug/1658159 [10:59] Ubuntu bug 1658159 in MirAL "miral-shell depends on default cursor theme being installed" [Low,Fix released] [10:59] although [11:00] dmz is installed [11:18] hikiko: I'm working on a fix, but miral-kiosk and 'miral-shell --window-manager tiling' will work in the meantime [11:18] let me try [11:19] mmm no [11:19] alan_g, miral-shell --window-manager tiling doesn't work [11:19] same error [11:20] I'm talking about the std::wstring_convert<> error [11:24] oh ok [11:25] I'll try to get a look at the other one alan_g it shouldn't happen, I have your fix here [11:26] maybe I can collect more info if I build mir === hikiko is now known as hikiko-ln === hikiko-ln is now known as hikiko [14:20] * alan_g finds C++ locales and facets less confusing now than at the start of the day. (But still thinks it is too hard.) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:01] there's a very good reason C++ locales and their facets are rarely used in production code === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === JanC is now known as Guest23500 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === pete-woods_ is now known as pete-woods === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:33] tjaalton, will X+O be getting the new Mesa as well? [19:35] camako: you mean X+Y? yes, but not necessarily the new mir patches [19:35] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/ubuntu/updates doesn't have it [19:35] tjaalton, xenial+overlay [19:36] I don't know [19:36] hmm we use that in CI [19:36] what's an overlay? [19:36] in this context [19:36] just the overlay PPA [19:37] still a mystery to me :) [19:37] this will end up in xenial-updates [19:37] tjaalton, ok forget the overlay part :-) [19:37] with whatever mir related you need [19:37] so it'll be in xenial, correct? [19:38] right now it's still using the old patch because the new mir isn't there [19:38] yes [19:38] some time after zesty is released [19:38] Ah ok [19:38] thanks [19:39] tjaalton, why the dependence on zesty? [19:39] just curious [19:39] I just want it to be on a release first [19:40] and since it's kinda part of the backport stack, just not renamed anymore [19:45] actually, there is some pressure to push mesa to -updates earlier [19:46] ok === Guest86599 is now known as RAOF