[06:47] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:59] <SuperMatt> morning
[06:59] <diplo> Morning all
[07:00] <MooDoo> I'm sick of winning lotto lucky dips, when am I going to win the big one?
[07:10] <diplo> I'm sick of not winning anything, give me your lucky dips?
[08:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon and davmor2
[08:18] <davmor2> Hey MooDoo ow am ya?
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: of to the van tomorrow can't wait need this break :D
[08:22] <popey> ali1234: didn't know that!
[08:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy I am in Control Day! 😃
[08:46]  * zmoylan-pi told JamesTait to say that... :-P
[08:50] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, but I still made the final decision. 😉
[08:50] <zmoylan-pi> that's what i allow you to think... :-P
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8xbDGv7oY worlds longest intro sorry :D
[09:13] <knightwi1e> good morning peeps
[09:13] <dogmatic69_> o/
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:14] <knightwi1e> running Bash on the windows machine today
[09:14] <knightwi1e> kinda funny to have all these commands and apps at my disposal :)
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> i used to use cygwin and before that unxutils for my linuxy console needs on windows
[09:16] <Knightw0rk> its convenient. still get to run MsProject for work while running IRC on the same machine :)  Combine that on an XPS13 and its a sweet dream
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> the fun i had when outlook refused to find emails i knew were in it and dropped to command line and grepped the pst file... :-)
[09:18] <Knightw0rk> hahahah :)
[09:18] <Knightw0rk> Grep PSt :) The mailcient of the future
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> and the vim the results... very user friendly... :-P
[09:32] <Knightw0rk> indeed
[09:32] <Knightw0rk> and reading the mime code of your attachments instead of watching the pictures
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> a true geek can see the jpeg in the mime...
[09:46] <Knightw0rk> like neo seing the matrix code
[09:47] <Knightw0rk> hmm.. i think i've gotten my hands on an older 20 inch imac , 2007 model.
[09:47] <Knightw0rk> Wanna try to run linux on there
[09:50] <Knightw0rk> looks like a cute machine to use , perhaps slide in an SSD.
[10:01] <diddledan> yey for living in a flat
[10:01] <diddledan> another leaky leak
[10:04] <diddledan> this one is going through my electricity boxes \o/
[10:04] <diddledan> I really should power everything off
[10:06] <diddledan> poor woman upstairs has had several pairs of shoes ruined :-(
[10:27] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Got a good management agency/factor?
[10:28] <diddledan> yeah, the plumber just arrived already - less than 30 minutes after I phoned for help
[10:28] <diddledan> (he arrived about 11:15)
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Nice
[10:29] <diddledan> they classed it as emergency due to the electricity factor
[11:39] <diddledan> why does ebay think I want to buy a bra?
[11:44] <directhex> so your chest doesn't chafe when you run?
[11:48] <m0nkey_> Don't be silly.
[11:48] <m0nkey_> He doesn't run
[14:37] <diplo> Guys, anyone recommend a good workstation, won't have much to spend. But my basic needs are to run 4-5 VM's at a time without dieing, coding ( so nowt really ) and running 3 screens preferably
[14:37] <diplo> Just about to start searching now, haven't been given a budget, but it'll be small :/
[14:45] <diddledan> for VMs the limiting factor is usually RAM rather than CPU
[14:45] <diplo> Yeah, having issues on this box on disk, but this box is sooooooo old :)
[14:45] <diplo> And underpowered
[14:45] <diplo> And it's mine, not the companies!
[14:47] <diplo> Just found a site called bargainhardware.co.uk with a HP Z420 that I can spec up quite well
[15:47] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Hmm...always fancied a Lack-Rack
[15:47] <diddledan> a what in the whatnow?
[15:49] <TwistedLucidity> You go to Ikea, buy a Lack table.
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> Then you get a few rack servers/routers/switches
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> And mount under the top of said table.
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> Boom.
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> Lack-Rack.
[15:54] <diplo> :)
[15:55] <diplo> Going to speak to the boss tomorrow
[16:45] <daftykins> diplo: Dell XPS desktop from the Dell outlet pages
[16:46] <daftykins> you'll find a skylake i7 with 16GB RAM and nvidia GTX 960 graphics cards (capable of triple displays) for likely <£800
[16:47] <daftykins> in fact, even less without a card - but you'd want one really
[16:48] <daftykins> one for £715 on there right now, with other configurations available
[16:54] <ali1234> i wouldn't buy a 960
[16:54] <ali1234> for coding the skylake IGP is fine
[16:54] <daftykins> won't get 3 outputs from that though, which makes your case moot
[16:55] <ali1234> you can, actually
[16:55] <ali1234> you might need to use display port though
[17:00] <daftykins> but the point is that you'd need to use a different cable for each - and having put those machines in one would have to be VGA, which is a joke - so once again, no.
[17:14] <diddledan> surely you'd need cables for every monitor anyway. I don't see what the choice of GFX has over whether to use 3 cables or not
[17:14] <diddledan> you can't connect three monitors to one cable!
[17:17] <daftykins> because it's one of each type = more fun to diagnose etc
[17:17] <daftykins> plus different capabilities, res support... i fail to see how this isn't obvious
[17:18] <diddledan> there's no reason it has to be basing the premise on it being a skylake i7
[17:18] <daftykins> "it has to be" being what?
[17:18] <diddledan> my skylake i7 has hdmi and two display ports which are hdmi without the proprietary plug
[17:18] <diddledan> it has to be meaning there's no reason it has to be three different types
[17:19] <daftykins> we're talking about a specific Dell XPS desktop in this case which i've put in two of, and has specific outputs only
[17:19] <daftykins> you can't just assume certain outputs come on it
[17:20] <diddledan> no, but ali1234 was talking about skylake IGP being fine and you replied to that saying no
[17:20] <diddledan> you didn't specify that you were readjusting the conversation back to the box previous to ali1234 mentioning skylake
[17:20] <daftykins> because i'm talking about a specific system and the outputs it has available - and diplo said 3 monitors
[17:21] <daftykins> i don't see how you think that was required
[17:32] <ali1234> https://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple-displays-from-a-single-displayport-output/
[17:33] <diddledan> ali1234: still need three cables :-p
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[17:34] <diddledan> these old computer chronicles programs are epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV2rxImyGYE
[17:36] <daftykins> displayport daisy chaining requires premium displays with support, they don't all just do it
[17:36] <daftykins> listen, i don't say these things for fun - i have the experience to back it up
[17:36] <diddledan> and you need three monitors! (even my setup only has two :-( *pout*)
[17:37] <diddledan> three monitors is just decadent
[17:37] <diddledan> although, I kinda want 6x24inch
[17:38] <diddledan> my setup is evil, the two 24inch monitors I have are different aspect ratios
[17:42] <daftykins> not me, i only have two too - and they're gonna be 10 years old next year :>
[17:42] <diddledan> :-o
[17:43] <daftykins> still rocking displayport 1.1
[17:43] <diddledan> nearly old enoughh to vote!
[17:43] <diddledan> I really drool over 4k 24 inch screens
[17:44] <daftykins> i think that'd be too small for that res
[17:44] <diddledan> mine are standard 1920x1080 and 1920x1200
[17:44] <daftykins> i always hear these g-sync or freesync 144Hz ones are the best thing since sliced bread, but i've not seen one in person
[17:45] <diddledan> nah, they're only any benefit if you're a gamer IMO
[17:45] <daftykins> well yeah, i do game
[17:45] <diddledan> I don't :-p
[17:45] <daftykins> but a mate has seen one and says they even improve the desktop XD
[17:46] <daftykins> 2 months and almost a week on and i'm still waiting on the bathroom quotes, oy
[17:46] <diddledan> grr
[17:46] <diddledan> that's a hellish wait
[17:46] <diddledan> still it means you get to see kitties every shower :-p
[17:47] <daftykins> ;) it does! the shower room i use is in the basement, so when i go in i hear the little tappity tap of kitten paws as they follow me down
[17:47] <diddledan> aww
[17:47] <diddledan> so koot
[17:47] <daftykins> <Poppy & Daisy> Ooh, a human is here! Quick!
[18:01] <diddledan> wow, I didn't know this existed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Sidecar
[18:06] <marshmn> I doubt it will run DOTA2
[18:06] <diddledan> lol
[18:09] <diddledan> wonder how long my electric cupboard will take to dry-out?
[18:09] <diddledan> there's not much ventilation so no air movement
[18:10] <zmoylan-pi> get the 6000 packets of silica gel that have come in every electronic device you've opened... :-P
[18:10] <diddledan> lol
[18:11] <daftykins> that reminds me, i had a brainwave of putting those packets between my ghetto secondary glazing (5mm perspex sheets screwed atop my windows) to reduce the mould buildup
[18:12] <marshmn> would probably work - but will probably need them replacing frequently
[18:13] <daftykins> indeed
[18:13] <daftykins> only seems to need a scrub for spring as they come down then anyway on most
[18:14] <marshmn> fill the entire window with rice
[18:14] <daftykins> \o/
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> move the window to the sahara...
[18:15] <marshmn> move the planet closer to the sun
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> you'd need to get a quote from musk on that...
[18:16] <diddledan> musk is going into neurological field with his investments - wants to interface humans and machines
[18:16] <diddledan> ref: http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15077864/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-ai-cyborgs
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> go to a korean internet cafe...
[18:16] <marshmn> you think he'd sort out daftykins' windows first though
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> he thought gates was taking care of daftykins windows...
[18:18] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah that could be dangerous
[18:18] <daftykins> he's too busy curing world diseases
[18:18] <diddledan> davmor2: the musk neuralink or my electricity & water combo?
[18:18] <davmor2> diddledan: both
[18:18] <diddledan> :-p
[18:18] <daftykins> but my place is a fully listed 16th/17th century townhouse so yeah, no double glazing for me
[18:19] <diddledan> dang
[18:19] <diddledan> sucky nuts
[18:20] <daftykins> it was gonna be 2017, year of the insulated roof - until the bathroom drama
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> grow a beard for insulation...
[18:40] <marshmn> daftykins: I already knew you like living in the past, but you've taken it to a new level in my understanding :-)
[18:42]  * zmoylan-pi nods approvingly of the clinging to ancient technology... :-P
[18:47]  * diddledan bashes zmoylan-pi with a compaq proliant
[18:47] <diddledan> (one of those was underneath the water in my leccy-cupboard)
[18:47]  * zmoylan-pi fends off diddledan with ast pc
[18:49] <diddledan> thems are heavy beasts!
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> solid metal cases... no plastics... no sireee
[18:51] <diddledan> one of these jobbies (though I remember the model number different .. /me goes to check) http://www.surfplus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Compaq-Proliant-ML370-1.jpg
[18:52] <diddledan> yeah, mine say they're 1600R
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> i think that was the one that landed on my foot when desk collapsed under it...
[18:52] <diddledan> not ML370
[18:53] <diddledan> the delivery man loved when he had two of them to deliver to my second-floor flat a decade ago
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully you left them out when you were finished with them so some thief needing a hernia installed could have a go...
[18:54] <diddledan> lol
[18:54] <diddledan> I still have them :-p
[18:55] <diddledan> I should get them running again
[18:55] <diddledan> got three of them
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> i remember the blog of an admin who took a full tower pc, filled it with wet cement and left it on his porch for entertainment... first time it only made it about 50metres iirc
[18:56] <diddledan> haha. that's some serious trolling!
[18:56] <diddledan> needed a camera setup to record the fiefs
[18:56] <zmoylan-pi> think of it as teaching the less fortunate :-P
[18:56] <diddledan> (fief is how we spell theive!)
[19:01] <diddledan> I used to aspire to one of these setups: http://h20564.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/imageServlet?DOCID=emr_na-c00376737-7/c00406574.jpg
[19:01] <daftykins> marshmn: i live inside the past!
[19:02] <daftykins> marshmn: although that still pisses me off saying that since i had discless playback with Kodi at home before you'd had your first whiff of streaming services ;)
[19:04] <diddledan> daftykins: I tried to do the same with linuxmce.org - I failed
[19:04] <diddledan> many moons ago
[19:07] <daftykins> looks like they're trying to do a lot in that
[19:30] <daftykins> oh my, Aliens in stick form - http://i.imgur.com/3238SN8.gifv
[19:30] <daftykins> well, chubby sticks :P
[19:32] <diddledan> lol
[19:41]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how long it would take a 3d printer to make a small wall decoration... :-P http://68.media.tumblr.com/3beb60eaeec1e76dd4dbb110873c8a84/tumblr_n3hwa472J91tp5udno1_1280.jpg
[19:42] <diddledan> eek
[19:42] <diddledan> imagine having one of those above a bed in a hotel
[19:42] <diddledan> preferably invisible from all angles except when you look up from lying on the bed
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> on a timer to appear from a recess at night over the bed and the flash the lights...
[19:42] <diddledan> or that ^
[19:43] <zmoylan-pi> the resulting scream will be billed as your wake up call for the rest of the hotel/town...
[19:43] <diddledan> lol
[19:43] <daftykins> or rest of LV427
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> or don't flash the lights.  just drip cold liquid onto person till they flip the light switch and see 'drooling' xenomorph...
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> survivors get a discount on health insurance as they're guaranteed not to have heart attack in next year... :-P
[19:54] <daftykins> unless they stay again!
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... they'll ever willingly go asleep in a dark room again...
[19:56] <daftykins> speaking of hotels i just email'd the manager of the one beside me to tell him their pub free wifi access point is borked
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> probably have to be coaxed out with a warm blanky and pack of choccy hobnobs...
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> you didn't hack it better? :-P
[19:56] <diddledan> mmm, choccy nobnobs
[19:59] <daftykins> hah, either a power fault or just the unit faulty - 'twas PoE
[19:59] <daftykins> he also unplugged it in front of me, but still fell over every 5 mins
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> sounds donald...
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> was it installed by pub or outsourced to some comapny?
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> installed a new hp printer today... it wanted to create a cloud account to activate the printer...
[20:03] <daftykins> they have made the mistake of being handled by a local IT company under a managed contract
[20:03] <daftykins> one i know well, as their labour rate is £95/hr which includes time spent calling in, for small biz
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> ah...
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> if sent to fix it when i left i would either have it working for a few days between reboots scheduled at 3am or kill it with a hammer and replace it.
[20:10] <daftykins> reboot was already a no-go, she's dead, Jim
[22:27] <diddledan> http://www.html5zombo.com/