[00:02] <Delvien> spotter its mounted from another computer, or shared with smb?
[00:03] <spotter> I mount it on media players I have and its my whole home dir thats shared and is mounted in windows
[00:03] <Delvien> spotter its never a good idea to share your entire home folder with the network
[00:04] <spotter> nothing else seems to disappearing though
[00:05] <Delvien> spotter systemctl disable smb
[00:05] <andywork> Annoyed: I am a bit curious about this as well.. For now, if i want to do any geeky stuffs and not use the terminal i tend to use Synaptic, which is pretty okay
[00:05] <Delvien> spotter once thats done try to see if its happening again
[00:06] <spotter> yea, I'm going to be out of the country for a month, so can do that without hurting my workflow
[00:06] <spotter> create a bunch of empty dirs
[00:08] <Delvien> spotter well i cant really help if you arent able to do some troubleshooting, first thing i would do is unshare your home folder and share only specific folders. With your home folder, someone that has access to that can really mess with you
[00:09] <spotter> if someone else has access to my home network (i.e. live alone) I have bigger issues
[00:09] <Delvien> spotter do you have wifi?
[00:09] <kenrin> I'd just make an ACL on the empty dir and see what hits it the logs later
[00:10] <kenrin> or would that not work via samba..  duh
[00:10] <spotter> yes, but all associated MACs are identifiable by me
[00:10] <spotter> and I use WPA2
[00:10] <Delvien> spotter wifi isnt fool proof, why risk it imo
[00:11] <Delvien> WPA2* i meant
[00:11] <Delvien> while its very hard to hack wpa2, still, why share something like that and not add another layer, without hurting your workflow
[00:23] <undriedsea>  Any iptables gurus out there?
[00:23] <undriedsea>  I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong...
[00:23] <undriedsea>   iptables -t raw -A PREROUTING -i $IFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -m tcp -j CT --notrack
[00:23] <undriedsea>  iptables -A INPUT -i $IFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -m tcp -j ACCEPT
[00:23] <undriedsea>  iptables -t raw -A OUTPUT -o $IFACE -p tcp --sport 80 -m tcp -j CT --notrack
[00:23] <undriedsea>  ^ This rule set doesn't seem to be opening up TCP:30 (stateless fw)
[00:24] <bazhang> #netfilter undriedsea
[00:24] <undriedsea> Thanks :)
[00:41] <basil-pesto> hi everyone. Anyone seen an issue with Shutter where every screenshot taken is just a tiled image of the shutter icon?
[00:41] <basil-pesto> when i try selection, it changes my entire screen to black display with the shutter desktop icon everywhere. When I do a screenshot of a window or whole screen, the saved image is just a black background with the icons.
[00:50] <Oderus> hello. having wifi troubles with staying connected I believe related to my upload speed. anything above 20kb/s and it crashes. I have a thread started here https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb118872fb976d61fb482547c30e  if anyone can take a look it would be appreciated. thank you.
[00:50] <mbryantms> ls
[00:58] <dubzyy> Can I ask questions in this channel?
[00:58] <RedPenguin> yes
[00:59] <dubzyy> I'm new to Ubuntu and recently bought a wifi adapter that is linux compatible . I'm like 2 days into using ubuntu and have no clue how to install the driver
[01:00] <dubzyy> I called their support line and I asked do other linux users ever call for help?
[01:00] <dubzyy> The girl said no because if they are using linux they know what they are doing LOL
[01:01] <dubzyy> We both laughed and I agree and know a great deal needs to be done in terminal
[01:01] <dubzyy> But I love the whole feel of it and in 2 days actually hate windows
[01:03] <acheron-a> dubzyy, usually a good search on the net will reveal an answer for you
[01:03] <dubzyy> I found a few but they were adapters using reltek chipset
[01:03] <dubzyy> and using ubuntu 12
[01:04] <acheron-a> reltek should be supported , what model?
[01:04] <Oderus> dubzyy : whats the issue with it?
[01:04] <dubzyy> no issue
[01:05] <dubzyy> I dont even know how to install it
[01:05] <acheron-a> is it one that goes on the MB or a card slot?
[01:05] <acheron-a> just install it and boot the system
[01:06] <Oderus> yes there shouldnt be anything else you have to do
[01:06] <acheron-a> ubuntu 16.04 should be good with it
[01:07] <Bashing-om> dubzyy: In most cases the kernel will auto detect drivers it needs . in cases where it does not, see what the "Additional Driver" utility offers .
[01:07] <fishcooker> how to check the hard disk is ok or not?
[01:07] <Oderus> dubzyy: theres always this package if you have difficulty https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-realtek/download
[01:08] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: Health wise or file system wise ?
[01:08] <dany> hola
[01:08] <dany> hablanespañol?
[01:08] <Delvien> !es
[01:09] <dany> ahh okok
[01:14] <Didact69> ok, so like I got these two interfaces and they were automatically called enp350 and enp0s25, can I just edit the interfaces file and change that?
[01:14] <Didact69> to eth0 and eth1
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Didact69: NO, see: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ if ya going to try and work around the system .
[01:18] <Bashing-om> dubzyy: What results when you plug in the USB device ?
[01:18] <Oderus> Didact69: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[01:21] <jnewt> i keep randomly losing the top and bottom "bars" on my mate desktop.  no idea why.  can still click around and menu will appear or window will open
[01:21] <Oderus> jnewt: are they set up to autohide?
[01:21] <Didact69> k, ty
[01:22] <Didact69> the documentation for NAT calls one eth1 and eth0 hence I'm trying to use the system
[01:22] <jnewt> Oderus: is that default?  I didn't set anything to change from default.
[01:22] <Oderus> jnewt: no that shouldnt be default
[01:23] <jnewt> then no, it shouldn't be set to autohide wherever that setting is.
[01:23] <nealshire> how do I exit grep? ctrl-c isn't working
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Didact69: Keep in mind eth0 == upstart .. where as 16.04++ is systemd .
[01:24] <jnewt> Oderus: and even if it were, i can't get them back by clicking or moving cursor to top or bottom
[01:24] <Oderus> jnewt: that's quite odd, i will see if theres anything I can figure out
[01:25] <Didact69> Bashing-om: yeah I really don't know what those are... so it seems like changing the interface names is bad
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Didact69: Agreed, changing the names is not the best thing .
[01:27] <nealshire> I ran the command "grep sshd.*Did /var/log/auth.log | less" and I can't get out using ctrl-c or etc
[01:29] <kenrin> if you are using less usually you just hit q
[01:29] <nealshire> thats it thanks
[01:30] <Bashing-om>  nealshire Now a zombie process ? Any return ' ps aux | grep 'Z'
[01:30] <snowkrash>  how can i make find -name to print the timestamp of files
[01:30] <ethanopp> Hey all, can anybody help out with a quick VPN
[01:30] <ethanopp> question?
[01:32] <jnewt> ethanopp, are you going to ask it?
[01:33] <ethanopp> Ha yes! Sorry was trying to make sure I asked correctly
[01:34] <ethanopp> I have a NAS that I am hosting an OpenVPN server on... If I connect to it from outside (lets say an iPhone) that traffic would be encrypted, but since the NAS is just connected to my home network, would that traffic out to the ISP not be encrypted?
[01:34] <jnewt> correct
[01:35] <Oderus> jnewt: sorry i can't seem to find anything on your issue. i suggest creating a thread in the https://ubuntu-mate.community/ as your best option
[01:35] <Didact69> so, is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing this correct that I should be able to use the network manager nm-connection-editor to do NAT?
[01:36] <ethanopp> So for the purposes of anonymity, a NAS to be used as a VPN server doesnt really make sense...Right?
[01:37] <jnewt> Oderus: thanks for looking.  I think there's some issue with graphics on my system when running linux. i had another issue i posted on the ubuntu section of SO a month or so ago, but never got any response.  I'll try the mate community you suggested.  It's been a frustrating transition to linux on my desktop (server was a breeze).
[01:38] <jnewt> I want to get to the point where I don't have to dual boot any more, but am still a long way off and windows 7 support isn't going to last forever.
[01:39] <jnewt> by support i mean security updates
[01:41] <Delvien> jnewt do you have an incredibly old GPU or something?
[01:41] <jnewt> Delvien: nvidia quadro m2000
[01:42] <kk4ewt> 2020
[01:42] <Delvien> jnewt thats fairly recent.... have you installed the proprietary drivers?
[01:43] <jnewt> Delvien: yeah, not even sure my problems are graphics related, like I said, i posted some info on SO, had ton's of looks and no responses.
[01:44] <Delvien> jnewt mind you: I wasnt here when that convo went on.
[01:45] <Delvien> jnewt whats SO?
[01:45] <jnewt> Delvien: so i have three issues.  one is here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/880691/problems-over-xrdp-vnc-and-x2go , another is portions of windows being black when resuming from lock and the last is the bars at the top and bottom disappearing
[01:46] <jnewt> Delvien, Stack overflow (i guess the ubuntu section is called askubuntu)
[01:47] <Delvien> jnewt: nvidia-settings
[01:47] <Delvien> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:47] <Delvien> jnewt: thats not good :P
[01:49] <Delvien> jnewt:  oh wait this is xrdp okay, one sec
[01:49] <jnewt> Delvien: it happens with xrdp, vnc and x2go
[01:49] <jnewt> the method of connection makes no difference.
[01:50] <Oderus> hello. having wifi troubles with staying connected I believe related to my upload speed. anything above 20kb/s and it crashes. I have a thread started here https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb118872fb976d61fb482547c30e  if anyone can take a look it would be appreciated. thank you. also cannot connect to any 5g networks.
[01:50] <Delvien> jnewt: running apps through xrdp matters. indirect GLX can cause segfaults,
[01:51] <Delvien> jnewt:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/795418/open-gui-apps-on-a-ubuntu-16-04-machine-via-ssh-from-an-ubuntu-14-04-machine this may help
[01:53] <jnewt> Delvien: my favorite part is where chrome tells me GLX 1.3 or later is required, yet I have 1.4
[01:55] <jnewt> so what, i'm supposed to create a symlink because some program can't find one of it's necessary components?
[01:57] <Delvien> jnewt run the application through the terminal with strace. ex: strace ssh@foo
[01:57] <Delvien> jnewt at least it will give you an idea of the actual error, since "seg fault" is so broad
[01:58] <jnewt> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       23 Jan 18 14:31 libGLX_indirect.so.0 -> libGLX_nvidia.so.378.09   (I already have a symlink for libGLX_indirect.so.0
[02:02] <Delvien> jnewt as far as the glx 1.3 error that chrome spewed, seems to be a bug reaching back to 2011, several posts said you can ignore the message. Whether thats true or not, I wouldnt know
[02:05] <Delvien> jnewt: Unfortunately I have no way of testing this for myself since I do not have X on my server. run the strace before your remote x apps, google the errors
[02:06] <Didact69> Well it looks like I want to use the  nm-connection-editor and I don't understand what to do
[02:08] <chatter29> hey guys
[02:08] <chatter29> allah is doing
[02:08] <Delvien> Didact69: with no preface of what problem youre having, no one knows how to help you
[02:08] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[02:08] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[02:08] <Delvien> chatter29 This is not the place for religion, this is an ubuntu support channel
[02:09] <Didact69> I want to set up NAT on 2 ethernet devices using the gui  nm-connection-editor
[02:11] <poco_> hey tgm4883 remember me? I was the guy with the full / drive that couldn't do anything?
[02:13] <Delvien> Didact69: Should be relatively straightforward, edit connections  and setup from there on both machines. You may want to google some guides.
[02:14] <Didact69> yeah, I'm searching for guides and getting close it seems
[02:15] <Didact69> so, I want to "share" the outisde connection via the ethernet connection ?
[02:15] <jnewt> sudo service lightdm stop stops my mate session (good), but doesn't give me a command line, just something about blocks being clean and a cursor where I can't type
[02:15] <jnewt> how do i get the command line?
[02:16] <Didact69> (the biggest problem that I'm dual booting to Ubuntu and then rebooting and coming back here to ask questions)
[02:17] <jnewt> you need another computer or an app on your phone Didact69
[02:17] <Didact69> this is the other computer
[02:17] <Didact69> the "server" is a fedora box
[02:18] <Didact69> which does the NAT, but I'm trying to switch to UBUNTU cuz of the LTS
[02:18] <Basketball> is there a way to hide the url bar in epiphany
[02:21] <poco_> anyone have any idea why my / disk thinks my /mnt/ folder that has my network SMB shares is part of my / disk and is constantly showing up full?
[02:21] <poco_> even when I unmount the shares?
[02:24] <poco_> tgm4883, and Bashing-om were helping me out before but I already ruled out everything else from last time
[02:24] <jnewt> nvidia won't let me install the new driver with mate running.  if i do sudo service lightdm stop i don't get a prompt.  if  i remove quiet splash vt.handoff and add single to the linux line in grub, i get a garbled looking test that is trying to be a command line / prompt
[02:26] <poco_> Baobab is pointing me to this rsync I did of my Home directory under /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-user-SYNC2/ as taking up the space (97GB) but that path is on a networked drive!
[02:27] <jnewt> i'd share a photo of the garbledness, but i can't open photos on my phone, shotwell wants to take over but then fails to claim the usb device
[02:28] <Didact69> how do u do screen shots on ubuntu ?
[02:28] <Didact69> 16.04
[02:29] <acheron-a> windows key - screenshot
[02:29] <Didact69> k, ty
[02:29] <kenrin> poco_:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/780945/samba-local-copy-speed-insufficient-disk-space
[02:29] <kenrin> Samba is a hacked reverse engineeringed tool.  You may want to switch to NFS
[02:32] <jnewt> anyone know how to access my phone's photos?  iphone 5s
[02:33] <jnewt> i see a folder called store_00010001 but when i click on it there is nothing inside and shotwell photo manager fails to claim the device when i click the little convenience button in the folder
[02:37] <kj4> n
[02:37] <poco_> thanks kenrin I don't think this exactly helps but it's closer than what I've found
[02:37] <kenrin> There was a post on the raspberry pi forum to just mount them at root level
[02:38] <kenrin> Not sure if that would fix the same on buntu,  worth a try
[02:39] <poco_> kenrin, hmm but I think the issue is that my machine thinks things mounted under / (except my home folder) are part of the / drive
[02:39] <kenrin> Yep
[02:40] <Jordan_U> jnewt: Why are you trying to install Nvidia drivers this way? Unless you have a compelling specific reason to install drivers from nvidia's website rather than the repositories then you are installing them the *wrong way*.
[02:41] <poco_> kenrin, about switching to NFS- can windows/mac do NFS alright? I need to access the same information across windows, mac, linux and mobile devices
[02:42] <kenrin> mac can do it native.  windows would need some extra tools
[02:43] <poco_> kenrin, damn. ugh why is it so hard to share files across platforms?
[02:43] <kenrin> Nobody likes agreeing on a standard.  Why do you think there are 1000000 different linux distros O.o
[02:44] <poco_> kenrin, good point
[02:44] <poco_> kenrin, but then again, why can't everyone just pick what standards *I* want??
[02:44] <kenrin> Apparently windows 10 pro or win 7 ulti | enteprise editions can do NFS native if you install it from the windows features
[02:45] <fxgfx> hi
[02:45] <poco_> kenrin, ah yes what a premium feature /s
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[02:47] <Cardamon> umm hi
[02:48] <Cardamon> #ubuntu
[02:48] <Cardamon> .-.
[02:48] <Didact69> hi, go away
[02:49] <Cardamon> ._.
[02:49] <Cardamon> T_T
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[02:56] <jnewt> if i try to boot without de, i get garbled text.  if i shutdown the de after starting it, i get no prompt.  i can't install new gfx drivers until i can get to the command line without the de (according to nvidia error message when trying to install).  help?
[02:57] <ChaiTRex> jnewt: Have you tried using single user mode in the GRUB boot menu?
[02:58] <jnewt> ChaiTRex, that's how i got the garbled command line (removed quiet splash vt.handoff, added single)
[03:02] <Cardamon> +i
[03:02] <hggdh> Cardamon: please stop with the noise
[03:02] <Cardamon> bruh fuck you #ubuntu
[03:02] <Cardamon> asdfghjk
[03:21] <K-arch> .
[03:34] <lostgoat> hey guys, you probably get this question every other day. But I haven't been able to track the right docs
[03:34] <lostgoat> back in the day there was a prepare-ppa target for the ubuntu kernel builds
[03:34] <lostgoat> This seems to have been removed, on the docs here it says it was being cleaned up
[03:34] <lostgoat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/UDS/May2008
[03:35] <lostgoat> debian/rules help didn't show much of anything related to that, and I'm pretty sure I'm probably missing something dumb
[03:38] <phi_> is there anyway to fix this issue guys? http://askubuntu.com/questions/898062/text-editor-unicode-font-rendering-chromium
[04:07] <caonima> 你好
[04:08] <Tatou> Bash question: How do I pipe from cat to the next command?
[04:08] <Tatou> Scenario: I want to read a ssh pub key and sed to a remote ssh server
[04:12] <phi_> anyone know how to fix this font issue? http://askubuntu.com/questions/898062/text-editor-unicode-font-rendering-chromium
[04:20] <caninodev_> phi_: it looks like an anti-aliasing issue?
[04:21] <phi_> @caninodev_ I don't know but it is just happen in some text editor in browser
[04:22] <caninodev_> so are there really 1785 users on this channel butit is this quiet?
[04:22] <phi_> caninodev_ some character like this "ế" will not display correctly
[04:22] <caninodev_> when you say "not display correctly" fo you mean it uses the wrong glyph?
[04:23] <caninodev_> phi_: or that it is illegible?
[04:24] <phi_> caninodev_, it look ugly
[04:25] <caninodev_> look into antialiasing then.. if it appears like that universally througout the desktop, may wan t to go to system settings- > appearance
[04:26] <caninodev_>  phi_: apologies, depending what DM you are running. using tweak-tools --> fonts
[04:28] <phi_> caninodev_, I changed all the possible fonts but nothing works
[04:28] <caninodev_> phi_ no no, not the font.. What DM are you running again?
[04:28] <phi_> caninodev_, even in hexchat is it not display correctly
[04:29] <phi_> caninodev_, you mean display manager?
[04:29] <caninodev_> phi_: desktop manager.. unity, kde, gnome?
[04:29] <phi_> caninodev_, Xfce
[04:31] <caninodev_> phi_: go to Appearance --> Font --> and fiddle with the anti-alias feature
[04:31] <lakitu> can you write bd-rs in ubuntu (yet)?
[04:31] <phi_> caninodev_, so I need to change the dpi?
[04:31] <lakitu> if so - would i just do it with k3b, or whatever?
[04:32] <caninodev_> phi_: Under Rendering there should be a text box Enable Anti-Alias
[04:32] <phi_> caninodev_, already checked
[04:32]  * lakitu not burning copyrighted stuff.
[04:33] <caninodev_> phi_: make hinting slightly instead of full or vice versa?
[04:33] <phi_> caninodev_, it seems this solution not work and the font issue stay the same
[04:33] <caninodev_> then look to the font itself
[04:35] <phi_> caninodev_, hmm
[04:49] <lakitu> it looks like you CAN burn blu-rays in ubuntu, this way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning#Blu-Ray_Burning
[04:49] <lakitu> thanks
[05:05] <ablest> hi how do install skype on ubuntu?
[05:06] <EriC^^> !skype | ablest
[05:06] <ablest> ty
[05:06] <EriC^^> np
[05:21] <renatosilva> what's the current default chat application in ubuntu?
[05:22] <geez[m]> Empathy I believe
[05:23] <Mead> on the live boot I have running infront of me, there is no chat program.
[05:27] <Mead> and the only irc client I can installfrom "ubuntu software" without having a username and PW to whatever is xchat-gnome which I've crashed many times simply doing basic IRC commands
[05:29] <baizon> !info hexchat Mead
[05:30] <baizon> !info hexchat | Mead
[05:34] <Mead> I know what hexchat is, but to install it via the "ubuntu software" app it requires a username and PW, in he app it has a non-free tag.
[05:35] <baizon> Mead: install it from the terminal then
[05:35] <baizon> Mead: have you tried just pressing "ok"?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:38] <Mead> there is no "OK" there are three options, I have a ubuntu single sign-on account, I want to register, and I've forgotten my PW.  With a "continue button" to advance to the next step
[05:38] <baizon> Mead: yes, use the terminal then
[05:38] <Mead> that is a  "Ubuntu One" window that pops up
[05:39] <Mead> If I was comfortable with and knew how to  install software from the cli, why would I ever use that app?
[05:40] <baizon> Mead: well, then report it as a bug
[05:42] <Mead> I doubt it is a bug,  I think canonial wants people to make accounts
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Mead: yes its normal, tested it yesterday
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> Mead: from ubuntu-software you need the ubuntu one account to install some snaps
[05:44] <baizon> ah i forgot, for snaps you do need a account
[05:45] <azidhaka__> hi! what happens when i enable kernel livepatch on my 16.04 ant there is a new kernel available for apt-get updating?
[05:49] <andovt> wl
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !livepatch | azidhaka__
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> azidhaka__: see also #ubuntu-server
[06:10] <BlitzerHound> Is this the wrong place to ask about trying to install Fallout on ubuntu? Something keeps going wrong with it.
[06:11] <ivan_> i want to use flash player on 3rd party application but unable to but more specifically its called think or swim which is financial trading platform, any ideas
[06:25] <_laceylaney> Hey guys. Huawei p9 phone connected to my laptop perfectly via usb. Since reinstalling ubuntu at the weekend the phone no longer connects properly. Anyone any ideas ?? Appears only in lsusb but not gparted or anything else...
[06:27] <_laceylaney> I know the phone is still connecting somewhat ok because the cd part containing the windows installer stuff still automounts and appears ok.
[06:27] <_laceylaney> I had a look last night in dmsg but couldn't see any sort of errors.
[06:37] <icey> This morning I can't run apt: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24279404/
[06:39] <icey> running yakkety
[06:39] <tintere> sudo apt-get --fix-missing gives error?
[06:39] <tintere> So what is the right command for it?
[06:39] <icey> apt or apt-get (with any or no) args gives that error
[06:39] <tintere> I am confused with all this --fix-missing
[06:40] <ducasse> tintere: try 'apt-get install --fix-missing' instead
[06:40] <_laceylaney> @icey that is one very strange error. Never seen anything like that befkre
[06:40] <icey> me too _laceylaney
[06:40] <tintere> I also can't update
[06:40] <tintere>  Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)
[06:41] <icey> apparently it can happen on upgrades but this machine hasonly ever been 16.10
[06:41] <tintere> In firefox it says " This network may require you to login to use the internet"
[06:41]  * dmt tests fonts
[06:41] <tintere> I have never encountered this before, and I get lots of shasum failed errors
[06:42] <Ben64> so.. login
[06:42] <tintere> Ben64: how? Where?
[06:42] <tintere> I don't get it
[06:42] <Ben64> idk, check with whoever owns the network
[06:42] <tintere> My ISP?
[06:43] <Ben64> maybe your router got hacked
[06:43] <tintere> So what? router is just a firewall. And I already have the OS firewall.
[06:43] <Ben64> no
[06:44] <tintere> Would you like to expound a bit?
[06:44] <Ben64> completely wrong and not related to ubuntu support so doesn't really belong here
[06:48] <BlitzerHound> Just asking again, is there anyone that can help me install fallout on ubuntu? Sorry, I don't know if I'm supposed to ask more than once. :x
[06:50] <ducasse> BlitzerHound: is that a steam game?
[06:50] <hateball> It's windows only
[06:50] <hateball> !wine | BlitzerHound
[06:50] <BlitzerHound> No, I downloaded the gog windows installer
[06:53] <MustaKrakish> Hey guys, what could this mean? org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[1858]: ** (process:26989): WARNING **: Couldn't create directory monitor on smb://x-gnome-default-workgroup/. Error: The specified location is not mounted
[06:53] <MustaKrakish> finding it in journal
[06:57] <ducasse> it's just a gtk warning, a lot of applications spew out a few.
[07:24] <BlitzerHound> How can I see how much vram I have?
[07:24] <EriC^^> BlitzerHound: free -h
[07:25] <EriC^^> fallout isn't going to work in wine i guess
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> Thanks
[07:25] <EriC^^> nevermind, i was thinking vm, wine can use gpu right?
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> Uhhh... I dunno. Someone's helping me with the setup and stuff but I don't know how much vram I have
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> This says total 990M
[07:26] <EriC^^> 1gb ram
[07:33] <Kiryat8> why is my kern.log 11,1 GB? I have a small SSD and this is a problem. Should it be this large?
[07:36] <BlitzerHound> What's the thing to paste text to show here?
[07:36] <PipeItToDevNull> pastebin
[07:36] <ikevin> Kiryat8, does logrotate is installed?
[07:36] <BlitzerHound> Oh
[07:37] <ducasse> !pastebin | BlitzerHound
[07:37] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, termbin is easy to use
[07:40] <Kiryat8> I see now that it contains [UFW AUDIT] lines so I turned off Firewall logging. logrotate is installed. What is the synatx for a manual rotate. I will read to see if it is in a cron job
[07:40] <ikevin> Kiryat8, yes it's a cron job
[07:42] <ducasse> Kiryat8: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
[07:42] <cuikai> hello
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> cuikai: welcome, how can we help you?
[07:43] <mcphail> BlitzerHound: easiest way to install Fallout (gog version) on ubuntu is to install the playonlinux package from the repos, and get it to set things up for you
[07:43] <BlitzerHound> Yeah, I'm using playonlinux. I kind of asked the wrong question. It's installed, but it won't start.
[07:44] <BlitzerHound> When I start it, terminal tells me this and then the game just never starts up
[07:44] <BlitzerHound> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24279565/
[07:45] <ducasse> BlitzerHound: you better ask in #winehq
[07:45] <BlitzerHound> I'll do that. Thanks. :3
[07:45] <Kiryat8> thanks
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: there is also a very active #gamingonlinux community if you like
[07:47] <mcphail> BlitzerHound: I would guess it is looking for the 32 bit versions of the mesa libraries. These are usually installed by the ubuntu wine package (i think) which gets installed by default when you install playonlinux from the repos (again, iirc). Where did you install playonlinux from?
[07:47] <BlitzerHound> I just did apt get playonlinux
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: doublecheck sudo lshw -C video to see if your graphic drivers installed correctly also?
[07:49] <ikevin> i think it's a graphic driver issue to
[07:49] <BlitzerHound> It just said Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:50] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, can you do a: glxinfo | nc termbin.com 9999 and give us the link returned
[07:50] <BlitzerHound> http://termbin.com/v59b
[07:51] <BlitzerHound> Wait so the terminal will automatically post stuff to termbin?
[07:52] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, when using "| nc termbin.com 9999" yes
[07:52] <BlitzerHound> This terminal thing never ceases to amaze me.
[07:52] <Haohmaru> BlitzerHound not the terminal, the commands you type can do all kinds of stuff
[07:53] <BlitzerHound> I'm used to windows. I've only been using ubuntu for like 2 weeks or so.
[07:53] <BlitzerHound> All of this stuff is still really new to me.
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: welcome to the ubuntu community
[07:56] <BlitzerHound> Aww, thanks. You guys have been incredibly helpful thus far, which is more than I can say about any other OS based community I've been in. Which... I've not been in any others, but the fact still stands. :D
[07:59] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, can you do a: dpkg -l | grep -i mesa | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:00] <BlitzerHound> http://termbin.com/5erp
[08:01] <BlitzerHound> I don't think #winehq likes me lol
[08:02] <ikevin> are you using a 32b version of ubuntu?
[08:03] <niggard> hi boons, how to fix tearing?
[08:03] <hateball> niggard: what GPU/driver do you use?
[08:06] <BlitzerHound> Uhhhhh I dunno
[08:06] <bhaasu> Hello
[08:06] <BlitzerHound> Hii
[08:06] <bhaasu> I am getting error when trying to run snort
[08:07] <niggard> hateball: nvidia gpu with driver 340
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: snort runs as service
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: you can check snort logs to see whats going on
[08:07] <bhaasu> I am getting this - https://pastebin.com/sF840Q6X
[08:08] <hateball> niggard: ah, 340... hmmm. I dunno if compiz has any tearing prevention. also I *think* 340 driver supports the TripleBuffer option but I am not sure
[08:08] <hateball> niggard: had it been a more recent driver you could have used ForceFullCompositionPipeline, but I dont think that it is in 340
[08:08] <bhaasu> lotuspsychje ?
[08:08] <niggard> hateball: how to install an older version of nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig?
[08:09] <ikonia> niggard: why would you want that
[08:09] <hateball> niggard: anyhow it's easy enough to test if 340 supports it, just run the following in a terminal: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="$(xrandr | sed -nr '/(\S+) connected (primary )?[0-9]+x[0-9]+(\+\S+).*/{ s//\1: nvidia-auto-select \3 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }, /; H }; ${ g; s/\n//g; s/, $//; p }')"
[08:09] <ikonia> you should use the version that is supplied by the current supported package
[08:10] <niggard> ikonia: because I've installed nvidia settings 378.13 which is a different fork
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: this looks like your error: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/snort-error-can%27t-start-daq-1-socket-operation-not-permitted-4175480943/
[08:10] <ikonia> niggard: ??
[08:10] <niggard> ikonia: 340 vs 378
[08:10] <ikonia> niggard: nvidia-settings comes from the driver version
[08:10] <ikevin> niggard, apt-cache show nvidia-settings , see availlable version then apt-get install nvidia-settings=<version you want>
[08:10] <Haohmaru> hateball "easy" eh? ;P~
[08:10] <BlitzerHound> Where on earth do you guys get these crazy commands from? Do you have that memorized or did you just copy it from some record you have or something?
[08:10] <ikonia> you don't mix and match
[08:10] <hateball> Haohmaru: copy/paste isnt hard :)
[08:11] <niggard> ikonia: at first I didn't know which driver to install and installed 378
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> !manual | BlitzerHound
[08:11] <niggard> hateball: thanks, will try as soon as I downgrade nvidia-settings
[08:11] <hateball> niggard: remove nvidia-settings, disable the nvidia ppa, install nvidia-settings from main repo
[08:11] <ikevin> ikonia, nop, nvidia-settings is the same for all nvidia drivers
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: we learn every day here, the more you experiment, the more you will learn
[08:11] <Haohmaru> i had severe issues with the nvidia 340 driver from nvidia.com
[08:12] <BlitzerHound> That's why I'm here still even while I don't have any problems.
[08:12] <BlitzerHound> I learn a lot from the troubleshooting that goes on here
[08:12] <Haohmaru> i even broke the lubuntu.. then i reinstalled it and this time i just used apt-get to obtain nvidia 340.. and it's working
[08:14] <niggard> can't figure out how to remove nvidia ppa. 'add-apt-repository --remove ppa:nvidia/ppa' says it cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~nvidia/ubuntu/ppa' and that the user named '~nvidia' does not have any PPA.
[08:15] <niggard> are PPAs tied to users of the system?
[08:15] <hateball> !ppa-purge
[08:16] <hateball> niggard: or just use the software updater gui and config sources, untick the entries for the ppa
[08:18] <kopykat> can someone help me setup a cron job?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> !cron | kopykat
[08:21] <kopykat> i wanna check if a process is running, and if its down to start it
[08:21] <EriC^^> kopykat: why dont you start it using systemd and maybe it can do that for you?
[08:21] <niggard> still can't figure out how to remove the ppa: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ has graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-yakkety    .list and .list.save files
[08:22] <niggard> what's subdirectory for it?
[08:22] <ikonia> youre in it
[08:22] <ikonia> niggard: how are you trying to remove the ppa
[08:23] <niggard> ikonia: 'ppa-purge graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-yakkety'
[08:25] <niggard> who's ppaowner?
[08:25] <niggard> root?
[08:25] <ikonia> ??? owner
[08:25] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[08:25] <niggard> reading man ppa-purge
[08:25] <ikonia> niggard: what is the exact command you use and what is the error you get
[08:25] <ikonia> use a pastebin
[08:25] <niggard> that's also what add-apt-repository --remove seems to expect
[08:27] <niggard> ikonia: I'd rather hear what command I should run instead
[08:27] <abaddon> add-apt-repository -r is how I've been doing it @ikonia
[08:28] <abaddon> --remove might work as well
[08:28] <kopykat> Eric^^ i dont know how to use systemd. I was trying to create a scheduled task
[08:29] <kopykat> i know you want people to learn from their own questions, but cant read up al this right now.
[08:30] <EriC^^> nah i'm not a psychologist, i just wanted to offer a better solution
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | kopykat suggested by EriC^^
[08:31] <kopykat> i meant it with the best intentions
[08:31] <EriC^^> systemd has a spawn feature that if the service stops it restarts it i think
[08:31] <EriC^^> kopykat: i know, i'm just kidding
[08:31] <EriC^^> check the link lotuspsychje gave, there's an example you can use
[08:32] <EriC^^> first link
[08:32] <kopykat> i m in 14.04.
[08:32] <EriC^^> kopykat: ah nevermind then
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> oh thats still init
[08:32] <kopykat> its best compatible for some services i must run
[08:32] <kopykat> ok i ll try to find online something about cron
[08:33] <kopykat> here> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20162678/linux-script-to-check-if-process-is-running-act-on-the-result
[08:33] <kopykat> there is a script about that
[08:33] <ikonia> niggard: what is the exact command you use and what is the error you get
[08:33] <ikonia> use a pastebin
[08:34] <kopykat> the question i have is that i should create a .sh file> or paste the script as it is in cronjob
[08:34] <ikonia> kopykat: you'll find that easier and more flexible
[08:34] <kopykat> which one ikonia?
[08:34] <EriC^^> kopykat: no dont paste the script or itll run over and over unless it has a check in it
[08:35] <EriC^^> i mean it'll make several copies of itself
[08:35] <kopykat> ok
[08:35] <BlitzerHound> Alright, bed time for me. Goodnight all, and good luck with whatever you're doing. :3
[08:36] <niggard> ikonia: http://paste2.org/JAsdCfkA
[08:36] <niggard> I don't see how pasting incorrect commands helps
[08:37] <EriC^^> kopykat: you could make a script that has "if ! pgrep -x <your program name>; then /path/to/program; fi"
[08:38] <kopykat> when you say make a script, you mean save it as .sh file?
[08:38] <EriC^^> kopykat: yeah, more importantly though the first line has to have #!/bin/bash
[08:39] <proxx_> dont forget "chmod +x script.sh "
[08:39] <proxx_> and extension are meaningless under *nix , just a human reminder
[08:39] <proxx_> *extensions
[08:41] <EriC^^> kopykat: you also want to make sure the environment cron uses is ok for your script (different $PATH and whatnot)
[08:41] <niggard> jeez, why things have to be so obscure?
[08:42] <EriC^^> niggard: what are you trying to do?
[08:42] <ikonia> niggard: showing the command shows us what you are doing and may explain errors
[08:43] <ikonia> niggard: who is being obscure
[08:43] <ikonia> niggard: did you put sudo in front of that command ?
[08:43] <niggard> i am root. i am god.
[08:43] <ikonia> how did you become root
[08:43] <EriC^^> ppa-purge won't work with non-launchpad ppa's you have to manually point it to the _Packages file
[08:43] <niggard> turns out the name of the ppa is ppa, and uzer is graphics-drivers
[08:43] <niggard> ppa-purge is a useless piece of sh
[08:44] <ikonia> user ?
[08:44] <ikonia> niggard: no it's not
[08:44] <ikonia> and tone down the language
[08:44] <ikonia> this is user error
[08:44] <ikonia> so critisise yourself please
[08:44] <niggard> this is not the user error
[08:44] <niggard> this is poor docs
[08:44] <ikonia> this is user error
[08:44] <ikonia> niggard: so is this PPA not hosted on launchpad ?
[08:44] <niggard> the correct command was 'add-apt-repository --remove ppa:/graphics-drivers/ppa'
[08:45] <ikonia> thats removing the PPA
[08:45] <ikonia> not removing the packages
[08:45] <niggard> that's what I needed
[08:45] <niggard> to remove a package I just apt-get remove it
[08:45] <ikonia> why are you removing the PPA if you're not removing the packages its installed ?
[08:45] <ikonia> that will cause a problem
[08:45] <ikonia> no, as it won't be able to resolve dependencies for the remove without the PPA details
[08:46] <niggard> oh, well, shit
[08:46] <ikonia> niggard: stop with the language
[08:47] <niggard> what?
[08:47] <ikonia> please stop swearing
[08:47] <niggard> how would I express my sadness otherwise?
[08:47] <bazhang> no cursing here niggard
[08:47] <niggard> that's sad!
[08:47] <ikonia> niggard: as an adult without swearing
[08:47] <proxx_> political correctness struck all walks of life now
[08:47] <bazhang> dont type it niggard
[08:47] <niggard> as an adult I always swear
[08:47] <niggard> proxx_: yeah, that's sad
[08:47] <ikonia> niggard: as andult you can talk with other people in this channel without swearing
[08:48] <ikonia> it's not political correctness, it's polite manners and respect to the people you talk to in this channel
[08:48] <ikonia> it's a simple concept
[08:48] <niggard> ikonia: that's hard, that's like blocking emotions
[08:48] <bazhang> niggard, thats enough please
[08:48] <ikonia> niggard: then you need to deal with that elsewhere as you may have a problem if you can't communicate without swearing
[08:48] <niggard> I see you are ops
[08:49] <niggard> ops always act as cops
[08:49] <niggard> freak tha police
[08:49] <ikonia> I think you've got the point now, so please try to keep it clean
[08:49] <niggard> I don't see how it helps
[08:49] <niggard> can I say 'freak you'?
[08:49] <ikonia> niggard: you don't need to
[08:49] <ikonia> there is no need to talk to anyeone like that in this channel
[08:50] <niggard> freak that bull-excrements
[08:51] <abaddon> How did you lose chan ops status from that? @ikonia?
[08:52] <ikonia> abaddon: I do-opped
[08:52] <abaddon> do-opped?
[08:52] <Haohmaru> de-opped
[08:53] <ikonia> oops, de
[08:53] <ikonia> sorry
[08:53] <abaddon> Ohhh....
[08:53] <abaddon> OK.
[08:53] <abaddon> !Tagging
[08:53] <abaddon> !Tag
[08:53] <bazhang> abaddon, /msg ubottu
[08:57] <abaddon> It's been a bit.  how do I send a message to another without private but set it so they know you are messaging them specifically??
[08:58] <abaddon> I thought it was the @ symbol but I don't think so.
[08:58] <k1l> put their nickname in front of the message with tab completion
[08:58] <bazhang> abaddon, /msg user hi
[08:58] <Haohmaru> abaddon you could say it in a channel they are on, mention their nick and hope they have nick highlight enabled
[08:58] <Haohmaru> or /notice
[08:59] <k1l> notice is not well seen on freenode
[08:59] <Haohmaru> k1l "seen" ?
[08:59] <abaddon> Ahh, thank you. I think my xchat is missing the notice highlight or something.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !xchat | abaddon
[09:01] <Hao_> e......
[09:01] <Hao_> every time i ping to my router(ping with -c100) ,it would lose about 5% packet....
[09:02] <Haohmaru> are you connected to it via a cable?
[09:03] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, bazhang, k1l Thank you for th info. I just installed xchat over hexchat too. <sigh>
[09:03] <Hao_> i use usb wifi dongle base rt5370 chip set
[09:04] <PipeItToDevNull> So, does anyone know how neofetch or screenfetch identifies your OS?
[09:04] <Hao_> after ping ifconfig show that :
[09:04] <Hao_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24279848/
[09:04] <k1l> PipeItToDevNull: lsb_release or /etc/issue?
[09:05] <Hao_> RX packets:444 errors:0 dropped:54 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:05] <proxx_> rt and usb , have fun
[09:05] <proxx_> buy real hw
[09:05] <Haohmaru> use an actual cable ;P~
[09:05] <Hao_> the dropped:54 means what ?
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> PipeItToDevNull: perhaps look into the manpage also?
[09:05] <kopykat> is root homde dir, /root  ?
[09:06] <Haohmaru> Hao_ someone is stealing your packetz
[09:06] <PipeItToDevNull> lotuspsychje, Been throuhg it, unless I missed something it does not say.
[09:06] <proxx_> hackkrrzzz
[09:06] <PipeItToDevNull> k1l, Looking into lsb, it is not /etc/issue, just tried it
[09:06] <bazhang> Haohmaru, and proxx_ cut it out
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> PipeItToDevNull: why do you want to know exactly? screenfetch does its work no?
[09:07] <proxx_> I actually mean what I said , hw like that is almost impossible to get working
[09:07] <proxx_> pathetic driver support etc
[09:07] <PipeItToDevNull> lotuspsychje, Yes
[09:08] <vbotka> Hao_ rt5370 works fine for me in 16.04. You might want to check the quality of the signal. Try "iw wlan0 link"
[09:11] <Hao_> vbotka : i use it on 3.10 kernel ....
[09:11] <Houmin> Hi，I'm houmin. It's my first time to use IRC. hope not interrupting
[09:12] <kopykat> can i paste one line here? or should i use pastebin?
[09:12] <wrz3625> Hao_: 3.10? isn't that a bit old?
[09:12] <Haohmaru> one line should be fine
[09:12] <ducasse> Hao_: which ubuntu are you on?
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Houmin welcome
[09:12] <wrz3625> Hao_: which version of ubuntu comes with kernel 3.10?!
[09:13] <kopykat> does this line look ok?
[09:13] <kopykat> @reboot pgrep servicedeamon > /dev/null || cd /Service/src && ./servicedeamon
[09:13] <FMan1988> hey, kopykat
[09:13] <kopykat> i wanna start servicedeamon after each reboot
[09:13] <kopykat> it s root
[09:13] <k1l> Hao_: what ubuntu is that?
[09:14] <k1l> Hao_: "lsb_release -d" will tell you
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[09:14] <cfhowlett> yowza! ^3 lotuspsychje
[09:15] <Hao_> kil : not on pc,  just embeded  board.....
[09:16] <EriC^^> kopykat: no
[09:17] <EriC^^> kopykat: that'll always run it
[09:18] <EriC^^> kopykat: try "true || echo bla && echo blabla" to see what i mean
[09:19] <EriC^^> kopykat: try like this maybe "true || (echo bla && echo blabla)"
[09:20] <kopykat> Eric^^ what do you mean it will always run it?
[09:21] <EriC^^> i mean the if condition is off
[09:21] <EriC^^> try the example above to see what i mean
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> !tab | Houmin
[09:24] <proxx_> right
[09:26] <ducasse> Hao_: and what is this board running?
[09:26] <independent> youtu.be/68ycukWyBoI
[09:26] <ducasse> !spam | independent
[09:28] <wrz3625> Hao_: well this is ubuntu support
[09:29] <Hao_> ducasse : nothing ... just insmod wifi driver module and then ping to my router....
[09:30] <ducasse> Hao_: on what os? it needs to run something to run insmod.
[09:32] <cfhowlett> Hao_, what OS are you running?
[09:33] <Hao_> ducasse : just kernel + fs + busybox tool......
[09:33] <ikonia> ??
[09:33] <wrz3625> Hao_: then you should ask elsewhere... this is ubuntu support
[09:34] <ducasse> Hao_: we support ubuntu, so why ask us? try ##linux.
[09:35] <Hao_> ducasse : ok ....
[09:38] <craptalk> i connected to the public wifi which required to log in, and i did, other types of browsing i could do it, but when i run apt-get update, it told me that require auth. but i can run apt-get upgrade. how does it possible?
[09:39] <craptalk> isnt it weird?
[09:39] <ikonia> not really
[09:39] <ikonia> depends how the wifi works,
[09:39] <ikonia> if it works from a cookie in the browser authing that browser to work, then apt won't work
[09:39] <cfhowlett> craptalk authorization to connect to wifi and to update the OS are 2 different things.
[09:39] <ikonia> if it auths your machine - then apt will work
[09:39] <ikonia> really depends on how the wifi/network is setup
[09:40] <ikonia> eg: it may only allow browsing, maybe even a transparent proxy
[09:40] <root> test
[09:40] <craptalk> well, since when i tried to upgrade the system also connected to internet, why then i could not update?
[09:40] <craptalk> should be both failed?
[09:40] <ikonia> craptalk: I've just explained the possible reasons
[09:40] <ikonia> not really,
[09:41] <craptalk> ikonia: ah cookie. how can i solve it?
[09:41] <craptalk> relogin?
[09:41] <ikonia> no
[09:41] <ikonia> thats not what I said
[09:41] <ikonia> re-read, I gave you a possible example case that used a cookie,
[09:41] <craptalk> i get your point
[09:42] <craptalk> apt update is reading sources.list data, right?
[09:42] <ikonia> it does
[09:44] <craptalk> well, maybe why upgrade is working, because upgrade is only reading installed packages? but doesnt it also getting latest info from internet?
[09:44] <ikonia> no it's not
[09:44] <ikonia> it tries to pull the lastest package metadata down
[09:44] <ikonia> to understand how in sync/out of sync it is
[09:44] <ikonia> "upgrade" is the key - where do you think it gets the upgrade data from
[09:45] <craptalk> yes, pulling latest metadata down, and where does it look for the latest one?
[09:46] <ikonia> the internet
[09:46] <craptalk> that is right
[09:46] <ikonia> I know
[09:46] <ikonia> thats why I'm telling you and you are asking
[09:47] <craptalk> update is also pulling info from the listed sources, right?
[09:47] <ikonia> listed sources ?
[09:47] <ikonia> craptalk: lets maybe take a step back
[09:47] <ikonia> why are you running apt-get update
[09:47] <ikonia> what are you trying to do
[09:48] <craptalk> the message told me to either --fix-missing or update, after i install youtube-dl pkg
[09:48] <craptalk> the process was interupted after the inet down in the middle of process
[09:49] <ikonia> right - so if you can't connect directly to the internet / don't have a valid proxy - apt-get update is pointless, and trying to fix that is pointless
[09:49] <ikonia> as the fix would require downloading package dependencies
[09:49] <ikonia> you won't be able to do that
[09:49] <ikonia> just wait until you have a working connection
[09:50] <craptalk> ikonia: i agree, i think your point about valid proxy is my problem, since other types of browsing and downloading is doing just fine(i even torrenting now)
[09:50] <ikonia> thats interesting, so torrenting is working
[09:51] <craptalk> ikonia: i would not be talking much if it aint weird
[09:51] <craptalk> the download almost finished by the way ahahha
[09:52] <craptalk> for the love of linux oS, why the heck is this. hm....
[09:52] <ikonia> craptalk: lets try a basic test
[09:52] <ikonia> can you ping 8.8.8.8
[09:53] <craptalk> lol, perfectly
[09:53] <ikonia> ok - great
[09:53] <craptalk> i could termbin you for the proof, and you dont want it ahahah
[09:53] <ikonia> so pastebin the error you get when you do apt-get update
[09:53] <craptalk> ikonia:  i will sir
[09:53] <craptalk> wait
[09:54] <k1l> apt is known to have issues with proxies. even with transparent proxies.
[09:55] <ppf> how do i enable audible bell in gnome-terminal (and possibly screen)?
[09:55] <ppf> i've enabled it in the terminal profile, gconf-editor, dconf-editor, and .screenrc
[09:55] <Tomas_> Hello
[09:55] <ppf> still no ping
[09:56] <blackflow> ppf: iirc, audible ping requires pcspkr and its module loaded
[09:56] <Tomas_> Can someone give me advice how disable TLSv1.1 and TLS 1v2 in Ubuntu 16.04? I need this but not able to find how to do it
[09:56] <proxx_> Thomas_ applications decide, not the OS
[09:56] <Tomas_> Can someone give me advice how disable TLSv1.1 and TLS 1v2 in Ubuntu 16.04? I need this but not able to find how to do it
[09:56] <ppf> blackflow: hm. i uninstalled pcspkr. can't i use regular sound output?
[09:56] <proxx_> ^ once is more than enough
[09:57] <ikevin> !patient | Tomas_
[09:57] <blackflow> ppf: I don't know, sorry
[09:57] <ppf> Tomas_: that's a client setting. disable it in whatever client you're using
[09:58] <blackflow> Tomas_: what for though? Doesn't make much sense with the whole world abandoning SSLv3 and prior, allowing only TLS
[09:58] <ppf> blackflow: to force tls 1.3 i presume?
[09:59] <Tomas_> I need this to ensure and testing cases. It is about stripe just to take it off and then on again
[09:59] <craptalk> ikonia: this sir https://pastebin.com/f8pFhK8G
[09:59] <Tomas_> please provide me usefull resource about removing tls v1.1 and v1.2
[09:59] <blackflow> ah. well, individual server applications probably have a config option for that. client apps might to, but it's not a global setting
[09:59] <ppf> Tomas_: it's a client setting ...
[09:59] <ppf> (or server, obviously)
[10:00] <ppf> spill some details and maybe we can tell you more?
[10:00] <blackflow> s/probably/usually
[10:00] <craptalk> ikonia: you could see, cannot resolve bla bla, it was login prompt
[10:00] <craptalk> ikonia: you know how it works for public wifi
[10:00] <JuPaname> hello no ubuntu for 32bits UEFI ?
[10:01] <k1l> JuPaname: do you have a windows tablet?
[10:01] <Tomas_> I have ubuntu 16.04 like development environment, but TLS v1.1 and TLS 1.2 needs to be off for some test cases? what do you mean client setting ?
[10:01] <cfhowlett> JuPaname, 32 bit is a dying platform.  plan ahead.
[10:01] <craptalk> ikonia: what disgusts me more, it forced me to login my account to surf otherwise it will be only 10 min then i gotta relogin
[10:01] <JuPaname> no wintel cx w8
[10:01] <craptalk> spy-fi
[10:02] <ikevin> Tomas_, client setting mean on your browser, chat app, ...
[10:02] <JuPaname> http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_324845.html
[10:02] <blackflow> Tomas_: there's no global TLS config. Each application uses the SSL/TLS libraries in their own way and usually have a config option to manage protocols, levels and ciphers
[10:02] <ikonia> craptalk: thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:02] <proxx_> So clueless, he is probably talking about nginx/apache
[10:02] <ikonia> and it's nothing to do with spying
[10:02] <craptalk> ikonia: lol yeah
[10:02] <k1l> JuPaname: you need to load the 32bit uefi manually on the ubuntu usb as told here_ http://askubuntu.com/a/775507/31260
[10:02] <Tomas_> yes about apache configuration
[10:03] <ikevin> Tomas_, disable them in apache
[10:03] <JuPaname> k1l,  thanks
[10:03] <Tomas_> ok but where that config file located?
[10:03] <ikevin> Tomas_, /etc/apache2/mod-availlable/ssl.conf
[10:03] <ikonia> craptalk: your problem is a dns problem
[10:03] <blackflow> Tomas_: SSLProtocol config option of Apache, see the documentation for more info
[10:04] <JuPaname> k1l, use amd64 iso or no?
[10:04] <blackflow> and btw, afaik tlsv1.3 is still experimental? does apache even support it?
[10:05] <k1l> JuPaname: if the cpu is 64bit, then yes, use the 64bit iso and add the 32bit uefi
[10:05] <ikevin> blackflow, not sure
[10:05] <JuPaname> if bios CPU 32bit windows ok
[10:05] <JuPaname> ubuntu no work
[10:06] <JuPaname> if bios cpu is in 64bit ubuntu amd64 work
[10:06] <ikevin> blackflow, so it ask to disable v 1.1 and 1.2, not enabling 1.3 :)
[10:06] <JuPaname> windows x64 no work
[10:06] <blackflow> Tomas_: yeah I think TLSv1.3 is not supported, as it requires OpenSSL support for modssl and afaik there's no 1.3 in OpenSSL yet, at least not in versions distributed with Ubuntu LTS
[10:06] <k1l> JuPaname: look at the cpu you got there. then look on intel website if its a 64bit cpu. if so, run 64bit ubuntu
[10:07] <blackflow> ikevin: heh, yeah... I was going off on this wrong premise that 1.3 is the reason to disable 1.1 and 1.2  ......
[10:10] <Tomas_> SSLProtocol all -SSLv3 -TLSv1 -TLSv1.1 -TLSv1.2 is this correct approch ?
[10:10] <ikevin> Tomas_, yes
[10:11] <Tomas_> ok and which section i should look up in phpinfo() ?
[10:11] <Tomas_> if it is trully correct?
[10:11] <ikevin> Tomas_, what do you wan't to see in phpinfo?
[10:11] <Tomas_> that tls and ssl is disabled
[10:12] <ikevin> Tomas_, php don't know that
[10:12] <proxx_> go to #apache or nginx
[10:12] <Tomas_> ok it is clear
[10:12] <proxx_> not ubuntu
[10:12] <ikevin> Tomas_, check at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
[10:13] <Tomas_> it is local host
[10:13] <Tomas_> check at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ it is localhost i cant test here
[10:15] <ikevin> Tomas_, try things like: openssl s_client -connect localhost:443 -starttls http -tlsv1
[10:18] <blackflow> Tomas_: that only disables specific protocols. You can also do -all. But what you're doing doesn't make sense. If you want to disable SSL/TLS in Apache, just don't enable it at all, SSLEngine off
[10:19] <proxx_> Please let the kid do his homework first
[10:19] <wook_> hey a good question: what browsers do u guys use? i've been using firefox as my native browser for a long time but lately it's been becoming unusable because of constant javascript errors. updating and upgrading has been working but now i'm having to upgrade more and more often (every few weeks) because javascript errors are constant and make my whole computer crawl to a stop, like every 10-20 mins there's something. it interferes with skype, it interferes
[10:19] <wook_> with work, what do u guys do?
[10:19] <proxx_> this is pathetic
[10:20] <cfhowlett> wook_, no polls in this channel, please.
[10:20] <cfhowlett> !browser | wook_ choose one or install several and test for yourself
[10:20] <Guest85730> hi...where's the place to ask about automated gui testing tools?
[10:21] <wook_> i also have chromium and opera, but neither of which work as well as firefox, and so i wonder which one is preferred for other users with the same problems
[10:22] <wook_> i get js errors even when it's on the about:sessionrestore screen
[10:23] <ikevin> wook_, what version of ff?
[10:23] <wook_> currently i'm on the most current version, 52.0.1 i think
[10:24] <ikevin> wook_, try to disable your plugins
[10:25] <wook_> like all of them?
[10:26] <ikevin> wook_, yep, and see if it work fine
[10:27] <blackflow> extensions are usually the reason something's not working okay with FF
[10:33] <user__> hehe
[10:33] <user__> xiaren1
[10:33] <wook_> still waiting for firefox to open again so i can try to disable the plugins...i've had to "sudo killall firefox" soooooo many times lately it's crazy
[10:40] <fukwad> hashtag 99percent support @ Ubuntu Servers  lol
[10:42] <hateball> wook_: firefox (52 at least) has a "start without addons option" under the help menu
[10:42] <ikonia> /win 7
[10:42] <ikonia> oops
[10:45] <wook_> so i see that there's 2 typs of plugins it lists, plugins and extensions. would u suggest disabling both types?
[10:46] <wook_> (finally 20 mins later (literally 20 fucking frustrating minutes later) i'm able to check what u'r talking about :D
[10:46] <ikonia> wook_: please don't swear
[10:47] <ikonia> there is no need for it
[10:47] <wook_> i wish firefox had a face so i could smash it
[10:47] <wook_> :D
[10:47] <ikonia> calm down please
[10:47] <ikonia> just work through the problems
[10:47] <Shane> hey room
[10:48] <Shane> after some help if anyone is avaliable
[10:49] <wook_> so, still same question, i see some plugins listed but also under extensions i see ubuntu modifications, would u suggest disabling plugins and extensions both? or just plugins?
[10:50] <hateball> wook_: try booting in safe mode like I suggested, to see if plugins/addons are at all the issue
[10:50] <hateball> if the performance/behavior is the same, then start normally and disable one by one I guess
[10:50] <hateball> !help | Shane
[10:50] <Shane> hehe thanks
[10:51] <Shane> sorry Im stressig out big time here
[10:51] <Shane> I will write the q and post in a minute
[10:51] <Shane> wordpad
[10:53] <wook_> wow, it's running smoothly now
[10:53] <wook_> there were only 2 plugins listed, h.264 and flash, and now both are disabled and it's running smoothly
[10:54] <wook_> why does that work? :D
[10:55] <wrz3625> flash must die
[10:56] <hateball> wook_: Chances are you used flash heavy websites, that'll eat your cpu. You can set Flash to always ask before it runs, rather than fully disable it
[10:56] <hateball> If you need flash, that is
[10:58] <Shane> I am currently trying to install a new CentOS (custom build) onto a remote server.  I am on the server, and the tech have told me they have “mounted disk1 on CDRom.  
[10:58] <Shane> I have downloaded the ISO to root, but now I don’t know how to get  it mounted onto “disk1” so I can reboot the server so I can setup the new OS.
[10:58] <proxx_> uninstalling is said to fix it
[10:59] <cfhowlett> centos?  this is UBUNTU support, Shane
[10:59] <hid> hi
[10:59] <hid> Im looking for a file manager that has this feature
[10:59] <hid> you clic on a folder and a panel automatically opens on the right side
[10:59] <hid> do you know one? it is like the macos finder
[10:59] <Shane> oh, sorry
[11:01] <hateball> hid: a panel doing what?
[11:01] <hid> hateball: like that https://cdn.tutsplus.com/mac/authors/legacy/Josh%20Johnson/2012/07/13/findertips-5.jpg
[11:02] <hid> you clic on a folder and the contents is shown on the right side
[11:02] <hid> here one clics "Desktop Pictures"
[11:05] <hateball> hid: yea I understand what you mean, but I dont know of any file manager that does that (at least by default)
[11:05] <hateball> I use kde plasma with Dolphin, and that appears to have no option for such browsing
[11:05] <ulkesh> Anyone happen to know how to get Ubuntu 16.04.2 to auto-select my USB headphones when I plug them in without me having to go to sound properties to select it? Both Windows and Mac do this pretty flawlessly, so I feel like I'm just missing something here
[11:05] <hateball> it allows you to split the view tho, but it doesnt automatically do it if you go down a subfolder
[11:09] <zhongfu> alright, so i'm trying to get my kernel boot time down and i've noticed that my btrfs root partition takes almost exactly 5 seconds to get ready
[11:09] <zhongfu> [    2.355115] BTRFS: device fsid 840d1f7e-adc2-4eae-9ed3-d1c7fec3e6a2 devid 1 transid 43068 /dev/sda1
[11:09] <zhongfu> [    7.372684] BTRFS info (device sda1): disk space caching is enabled
[11:09] <zhongfu> ubuntu 16.10 with kernel 4.8.0-44-generic, and my fstab: UUID=840d1f7e-adc2-4eae-9ed3-d1c7fec3e6a2 / btrfs subvol=@,discard,ssd,noatime,space_cache 0 0
[11:09] <zhongfu> anyone has any idea where i should look at to get that down
[11:11] <ikonia> why is it taking 5 seconds
[11:11] <ikonia> I'd be happy to sacrifice 5 seconds of boot time to ensure file system stablility
[11:12] <ulkesh> Nevermind, found my answer here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_or_USB_headset  (Ubuntu seriously needs to step up their documentation or their SEO for it :) )
[11:12] <zhongfu> ikonia: well, it'd be nice to know what's causing it to take 5 seconds for it for starters
[11:13] <ikonia> what makes you think thats just what it needs to build the pool ?
[11:13] <ikonia> what makes you expect quicker than 5 seconds
[11:15] <zhongfu> ikonia: it's on an SSD, i've got space_cache enabled, and there's no documentation that i can find that mentions why it takes 5 seconds on boot
[11:15] <zhongfu> maybe i'll go digging through the kernel sources to see if i can find anything
[11:16] <ikonia> why are you expecting it to take less than 5
[11:16] <ikonia> what's giving you the details that makes you think 5 seconds is not the norm/right time
[11:17] <zhongfu> ikonia: no disk activity or any messages printed to the console log
[11:17] <ikonia> so ?
[11:17] <Haohmaru> so it must be doing.. "nothing"
[11:17] <zhongfu> at the very least, i'd want to know what's going on during that five seconds because it seems abnormal to me
[11:18] <ikonia> I'm missing something here
[11:18] <zhongfu> 5 seconds on a 15 second boot is not something small
[11:18] <ikonia> your disk takes 5 seconds to mount, but you've got nothing to suggest that is not what's expected
[11:19] <Haohmaru> is that 15 seconds from power-on till desktop?
[11:23] <zhongfu> Haohmaru: in kernel + userspace, as measured by systemd
[11:25] <hiya> What repo are enabled by default on Ubuntu?
[11:25] <ikonia> look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:25] <ikonia> thats the default and your local mirror
[11:25] <hiya> But I don't have it installed
[11:25] <hiya> I want to know what all repo are enabled by default?
[11:25] <hiya> is Restricted enabled ?
[11:25] <ikonia> main, updats, security,
[11:25] <ikonia> no
[11:26] <k1l> only if you check so at install
[11:26] <hiya> Ubuntu has 4 repos, Main, Universe, Restricted and Multiverse
[11:26] <ikonia> thats useful, there is an install flag for it
[11:26] <ikonia> hiya: it has more than that in them, eg security, and updates
[11:27] <hiya> ikonia, Is even universe enabled?
[11:28] <k1l> officially that might be distribution (-updates -security) and components (main, restricted, universe,...)
[11:28] <ikonia> I don't think so by default
[11:28] <Spinal> help!!!
[11:28] <hiya> ok
[11:28] <ikevin> Spinal, ask your question ...
[11:28] <hiya> ikonia, actually I am trying to move from Debian stable to either Fedora or Ubuntu for better and updated Gnome and newer packages
[11:28] <Skyrider> Ey everyone.
[11:29] <ikonia> hiya: as ubuntu is based from snapshots of debian that then never gets updated, you will not find that with ubuntu
[11:29] <Skyrider> Im trying to get a remote desktop to work (vnc4server) with a ubuntu desktop. However.. all I see is a gray screen with accept clipboard from viewers, send clipboard to viewers options at the top left.
[11:29] <k1l> Spinal: ask a specific question
[11:29] <Skyrider> Wondering what's up with that
[11:29] <yanghao> ck
[11:29] <ikevin> ikonia, ubuntu is more up to date than debian stable
[11:30] <ikonia> ikevin: yes, as it's a snapshot as I've just said
[11:30] <ikonia> but it will never get updated beyond that release
[11:30] <k1l> hiya: since the gnome release dates are just before the ubuntu release ubuntu cant ship the most recent gnome release in the official repos. but the #ubuntu-gnome team runs a ppa for that
[11:31] <hiya> ok
[11:31] <hiya> But I have tried Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 and it is so awesome. Also the performance is nice. I am used to Debian so a Debian based distribution won't be hard for me
[11:31] <hiya> hence I am more inclined to use Ubuntu vs Fedora
[11:31] <ikonia> hiya: whats the problem then ?
[11:32] <ikonia> you like ubuntu 16.10, use ubuntu 16.10
[11:32] <hiya> ikonia, I am comparing Fedora 25 with 16.10, and then I would install what looks fine
[11:33] <ikevin> hiya, debian testing can be a choice to
[11:33] <minimec> hiya: The Ubuntu 17.10 is the first distribution wich is 'on par' with the latest gnome 3.24 release. Only few application (the file manager for example) are not the 'newest' version.
[11:33] <cfhowlett> hiya, you have fedora?  install virtualbox + a lite ubuntu, e.g. lubuntu/xubuntu.  then test it for yourself.
[11:33] <minimec> hiya: First ubuntu distribution for years... ;)
[11:35] <hiya> cfhowlett, I am on Debian stable right now
[11:35] <hiya> I am trying to decide whether to move to Fedora or Ubuntu, cfhowlett
[11:35] <hiya> ikevin, thanks, yes that is a good option too
[11:38] <hiya> minimec, Alright then
[11:53] <Braxenhielm> tjoho
[12:04] <MickS> Hi all. Anyone here that can confirm that installing an lxd container using the ubuntu:16.04 template no longer works? It will not find any image anymore. This used to work until 2.5 hours ago. I did notice an update to the 16.04 releases dir on the cloud-images server which could be related.
[12:21] <ivan> does anyone know how I can set kbdrate on boot so that it actually affects the text-mode VT? doing it in a systemd unit (or over ssh) seems to have no effect
[12:21] <tufo1> hi
[12:21] <EriC^^> hello
[12:22] <Cardamon_> sorry drone ;_;
[12:23] <Cardamon_> T_T
[12:23] <tufo1> I want use of a firewall that  is not complet cammandline and no graficall complet .
[12:24] <proxx_> graficall what ?
[12:24] <Cardamon_> ??
[12:24] <proxx_> wut
[12:24] <cfhowlett> tufo1, done.  ufw
[12:24] <cfhowlett> gufw
[12:24] <tufo1> yes i yse of ufw
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !gufw
[12:25] <proxx_> try english , damn
[12:26] <tufo1> i want by nano config that firewall
[12:26] <proxx_> i not know u say what
[12:26] <tufo1> examp : arno iptables firewall
[12:26] <proxx_> try google translate
[12:27] <Cardamon_> umm...
[12:27] <Spinal>  Help!!!
[12:28] <Cardamon_> wut
[12:28] <Haohmaru> call 911!
[12:28] <tufo1> easy, i want that is like arno-iptables-firewall
[12:28] <Cardamon_> lol
[12:28] <cfhowlett> !help | Spinal
[12:29] <Cardamon_> wut?¡?¡?
[12:30] <tufo1> http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/html/
[12:31] <tufo1> i have that firewall
[12:31] <cfhowlett> tufo1, not supported here.  ask arno for support
[12:32] <Cardamon>  
[12:32] <Cardamon> ;_;
[12:32] <tufo1> i  tail similar arno .
[12:33] <ioria> tufo1, i think it'a already in the repo
[12:33] <ioria> arno-iptables-firewall
[12:33] <ioria> !info arno-iptables-firewall
[12:33] <tufo1> similr arno
[12:33] <tufo1> no arno
[12:33] <ioria> ivan, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_console
[12:34] <ivan> ioria: oh wow thanks I missed that [Service]
[12:34] <Spinal> Someone EL ESPAÑOL
[12:34] <ioria> ivan,  good luck
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !es | Spinal
[12:35] <ioria> ivan,  don't forget to  start/enable the kbdrate.service systemd service.
[12:36] <ivan> indeed
[12:36] <Spinal> I'm new to this distro
[12:38] <Cardamon> ...
[12:39] <Cardamon> Drone`
[12:40] <ivan> ioria: it works :-)
[12:40] <ioria> ivan,  good
[12:41] <Spinal>  /join #ubuntu-br
[12:46] <tufo1> i want alike arno-iptables-firewall no  oneself arno .i have a version of arno but i  want  to exchange  to other firewall .I want config that firewall by nono editor or pico
[12:47] <tufo1> 1=0 or 0=1 diable or 1= is enable
[12:48] <tufo1> i can in arno 0 exchange to 1 and enable and 1 to 0 and disable
[12:49] <tufo1> # Enable if THIS machines (dynamically) obtains its IP through (IPv4) DHCP
[12:49] <tufo1> # and/or (IPv6) DHCPv6 (from your ISP)
[12:49] <tufo1> # -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[12:49] <tufo1> EXT_IF_DHCP_IP=0
[12:51] <ioria> tufo1, if you don't want to use the ubuntu package, i can only link you here: https://github.com/arno-iptables-firewall/aif/ and here http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/arno_iptables_firewall.html
[12:52] <tufo1> now , =0 if  ext_if_dhcp_ip =1 yhis is enable and now is 0 and is disable.i want alike this setting
[12:52] <dckx> hi guys, my trackpad multitouch features are disabled in ubuntu 16.04... I have found different, conflicting solutions online, and I don't wanna mess up anything... Any suggestions? I have an elantech trackpad
[12:53] <dckx> the features got disabled after I "repaired" the trackpad, which stopped working after multiple issues due to an Nvidia driver issue... when I finally fix that, trackpad wasn't working. Now, it works, but with no multitouch
[12:55] <OerHeks> dckx,  lots of posts online indeed, check if your elantouchpad is recognised with xinput --list, or that is is recognised as generic mouse? then the pmouse driver is your answer http://askubuntu.com/a/331461
[12:57] <dckx> OerHeks: it is recognized as elantech. Should I go with pmouse then?
[12:58] <OerHeks> dckx, no. then i think this post might have the fix, i8042.reset >>> http://askubuntu.com/a/764885
[12:58] <OerHeks> easy to check, and undo if it is not working
[12:58] <OerHeks> but read the whole page first!
[12:58] <dckx> OerHeks: great, thank you, will let you know how it goes
[12:59] <OerHeks> dckx, yes please, then we can confirm the fix and help others too.
[13:07] <j_elly> is there anyone with experience in operationg a kinect or xtion motion sensor with ubuntu
[13:07] <j_elly> ???
[13:08] <j_elly> is it possible to operate a desktop with one of those in general and particulary with no programming skills?
[13:09] <fikry> hi
[13:09] <fikry> i need help
[13:10] <blackflow> !ask | fikry
[13:11] <OerHeks> j_elly, there is openkinect https://openkinect.org/wiki/Getting_Started , not tried myself but aware of the possibilities
[13:13] <tufo1> i read links
[13:14] <tufo1> but i want  a software  alike arno ?
[13:14] <realies> how can I switch from the nvidia gpu to the invidia iris igpu?
[13:14] <j_elly> OerHeks; thanks! but what is openkinect capable - controlling the mouse via gestures? can you run a desktop with motion device replacing the mouse for example?
[13:15] <realies> I've managed to get them visible by the system
[13:15] <realies> running ubuntu 16.04 kernel 4.8.0-45
[13:16] <JuPaname> hello error
[13:16] <OerHeks> j_elly, i suppose so, they have a small channel here on #freenode too >> #openkinect
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <dckx_> OerHeks: so the link you sent, the I tried some of the answers few weeks back when I was trying to fix the touchpad, and one worked.... but now, I tried the last solution to fix multitouch, and it didn't work
[13:17] <OerHeks> dckx, the i8042.reset ??
[13:18] <tufo1> i study links but not useful , because i want a software  alike arno-iptables-firewall .
[13:18] <scatterp> from windows 10 bash is there a way to make windows go away and just launch in to a real ubuntu x session etc like shutdown windows but not ubuntu ?
[13:18] <dckx> OerHeks: I tried that one to fix the touchpad, but didn't work. I used i8042.kbdreset=1
[13:19] <ikonia> scatterp: no as windows is the OS it's running in
[13:19] <OerHeks> tufo1, then use it? the latest 2015 version is in our repos
[13:19] <scatterp> ikonia what about chroot ?
[13:19] <dckx> OerHeks: and now, to fix multitouch, I tried: MatchIsTouchpad "on"
[13:19] <dckx> Option "TapButton1" "1"
[13:19] <tufo1> yes is 2015
[13:19] <ikonia> what about it
[13:19] <j_elly> OerHeks; thanks!
[13:20] <tufo1> but i want alike arno
[13:20] <scatterp> ikonia for example if i have a live cd in the drive and i chroot to it every part of the os is available on that cd ... can i change the host os live ?
[13:21] <tufo1> iptables is cammand line complet  and that is  hard for config
[13:21] <ikonia> scatterp: your running bash - not ubuntu
[13:21] <ikonia> bash is an application
[13:21] <ikonia> you can't chroot to something that's not there
[13:21] <ikonia> you will never "not" be running bash from windows, so you will never be able to "turn windows off"
[13:21] <ikonia> if you want to use ubuntu - just boot ubuntu
[13:22] <scatterp> ikonia ok another question then if i install ubuntu and enable drive encryption and set a root password reboot forget the password is there anyway to mount the drive and get access to the system ?
[13:23] <proxx_> Yes
[13:23] <OerHeks> tufo1, there is an other option, UFW, and the gui GUFW, easy to control
[13:23] <proxx_> just make sure you keep the secret somewhere safe
[13:23] <tufo1> ufw is few good but i want better of these
[13:23] <ikonia> scatterp: that would defeat the purpose of the encyption
[13:23] <ikonia> scatterp: if you don't have the key - you're locked out
[13:24] <scatterp> ikonia ok
[13:24] <OerHeks> tufo1, 'better' ... hard coding iptables or soft use of UFW, there is no better i guess.
[13:24] <scatterp> so with out the key physical local access to the server does not give you root ?
[13:24] <scatterp> ikonia its just i always read physical access = root access
[13:24] <ikonia> scatterp: the key is nothing to do with root
[13:25] <ikonia> scatterp: the key is to unencypt the disk
[13:25] <tufo1> namely on the world are arno and ufw only?
[13:25] <proxx_> encryption defeats coldboot attacks
[13:25] <scatterp> ikonia ok so the local physical access user could be root but not chroot to the encrypted disk because he can not mount it correct ?
[13:25] <OerHeks> tufo1, tons of them, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=firewall&op=
[13:26] <gardon> Hi guys
[13:26] <gardon> Just wanna ask if it's normal to feel like Ubuntu is quite laggy?
[13:26] <proxx_> no its not
[13:26] <gardon> What should I do
[13:26] <gardon> btw, is there a huge file that you have to download after installing ubuntu
[13:26] <proxx_> video or DNS are suspects
[13:28] <ikonia> scatterp: what are you talking about
[13:28] <ikonia> the root user is NOTHING to do with encyption
[13:28] <gardon> @proxx_ I shoot you a pm
[13:31] <Haohmaru> does it make the system run slower?
[13:31] <Haohmaru> ouch, i was scrolled up
[13:31] <Haohmaru> i meant the encryption
[13:33] <Zorro___> hello
[13:33] <proxx_> Haohmaru yes in theory, in practise, hardly
[13:34] <Haohmaru> i mean stuff like normal file read/write
[13:36] <ducasse> tufo1: you can use something like ferm, it is easier than plain iptables but you still need to write your own rules
[13:37] <tufo1> بثقپ ؟
[13:37] <tufo1> ferm?
[13:37] <tufo1> is this a firewall?
[13:37] <ducasse> tufo1: yes, ferm stands for "For Easy Rule Making"
[13:37] <tufo1> that config file by nano editor or pico?
[13:38] <ducasse> tufo1: type 'apt show ferm' and you can see the description
[13:38] <tufo1> ok
[13:38] <tufo1> tanks
[13:39] <user__> cool
[13:39] <user__> irc like the 90"s
[13:39] <user__> :)
[13:39] <Zorro___> I just want to know what is a best and cheap desktop for Ubuntu on intel ? I can build it myself... i want compatible parts (intel 4sure, intel LAN, intel graphics....6 or 7th gen i5/i7)...just want to know if system76 or even dell are good options ....where can i find information about best mobos for an ubuntu build...? phronix.com seems not very good after all
[13:39] <Zorro___> i'm in north america BTW. Canada..
[13:40] <EriC^^> Haohmaru: not much as the cpu is way faster than the hdd, takes way less time to encrypt/decrypt than write/read
[13:40] <EriC^^> Haohmaru: on any modern cpu you shouldn't feel much of a difference
[13:41] <Haohmaru> EriC^^ is it some brutal encryption or just a cipher
[13:42] <Haohmaru> user__ irc is da future
[13:42] <tufo1> is ferm a firewall russian?
[13:43] <Zorro___> i remember when I was 16 years old in the early-mid 90s I would go on IRC and download FTP server lists for warez....I had a 14 400 US Robotics modem wow
[13:44] <ducasse> tufo1: russian? it is an open source project, contributors are probably from all over.
[13:45] <tufo1> ok-ok
[13:45] <tufo1> very well
[13:45] <Zorro___> I remember my fist Linux distro was slackware with kernel 1.2.13.. I had bought some Linux CDs in a computer book store
[13:45] <user__> I was using stuff like asl pls, give ur mail and i will send a pic, stuff like that to a total strangers
[13:46] <Haohmaru> i still have my 56k modem
[13:46] <user__> but today... i don't think so... :)
[13:47] <w9qbj> The first linux I downloaded was 0.92 - took many 360k flopies
[13:47] <Haohmaru> today irc is for the serious people
[13:47] <user__> my first pc was pentium I 400Mhz with win98
[13:48] <sspencer> My first PC was a Tandy.
[13:48] <user__> were so expensive
[13:48] <w9qbj> everytime I do a cleanout of the computer room I find more of them 5-1/4s
[13:48] <ducasse> !chat
[13:48] <Zorro___> wow 360k floppies... my first PC was a 386sx 16mhz with 1024K RAM (then upgraded to 2048)...Before that I had TI-99A (Texas Instruments) : those were cool! Commodore Vic-20...C64.... My first <real> comp was this 386
[13:50] <user__> Zorro___, looks like calculator to me... :b
[13:50] <w9qbj> first - Apple-][, then added CP/m card
[13:50] <user__> 16mhz... what da...!?
[13:51] <Zorro___> LOL :) Texas Instruments computer was actually ahead of its time...with some speech features...modem..was 300baud probably...
[13:51] <Zorro___> 16mhz was a lot man....you were so proud to hit that <TURBO> button back in the days
[13:51] <w9qbj> Novation j-cat - 110b
[13:51] <ablest> hi
[13:52] <ablest> how do install icq for linux on ubuntu 14.04?
[13:53] <Zorro___> I've been really jalous when I visited a studio in the early 90s and they had Amigas with Video toaster....I always wanted an amiga with video toaster cause we had a VHS cam in the house a few VCR....never had an amiga though...
[13:53] <w9qbj> how do I kill bg'd jobs - have no terminal running it now
[13:54] <user__> ablest, I guess you should try Pidgin from the Ubuntu Software place
[13:54] <ablest> https://icq.com/linux/en
[13:54] <aotaointbin> wow. icq is still a thing.
[13:54] <aotaointbin> i'm amazed.
[13:55] <aotaointbin> i haven't used icq in like 20 years.
[13:55] <ablest> i have icq.tar.xz dont know what to do
[13:55] <ablest> lol
[13:55] <ducasse> w9qbj: 'kill %1' for bg job nr 1
[13:55] <Zorro___> Video toaster effects are still cool..... iMovie / Final Cut / Premiere might do editing of 4K videos...but video toaster was realtime !!! not editing
[13:55] <aotaointbin> tar -xzvf icq.tar.xz
[13:56] <ablest> how
[13:56] <MustaKrakish> ablest, tar xf icq.tar.xz; tar xf icq.tar.gz; tar xf icq.tar
[13:56] <ablest> in terminal?
[13:56] <MustaKrakish> ablest, yes
[13:56] <ablest> k
[13:56] <Zorro___> Last time I've installed ICQ, must be somewhere in the early 2000s....thought it had became somekind of virus / malware
[13:56] <w9qbj> ducasse: thanks
[13:57] <user__> never heard for this gadgets and softwares
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> ablest, you'll need xz-utils
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> ablest, or tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> -J flag deals with xz archives
[13:57] <Zorro___> ok so i need a new ubuntu computer...i want to build or buy a nice prebuilt model
[13:58] <ablest> say error
[13:58] <Zorro___> what is a cheap intel option for 6th gen / 7th gen i5/i7.... i just want a goood supported mobo
[13:58] <Zorro___> erreur
[13:58] <gulshan> Hey.. guys plz helpme out.. i want to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[13:58] <Zorro___> in frog language
[13:58] <ablest> ablest@linux:~$ tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[13:58] <aotaointbin> isn't "cheap intel" a contradiction?
[13:58] <aotaointbin> i hear amd's ryzen is nice.
[13:58] <MustaKrakish> Zorro___, go Ryzen
[13:58] <Zorro___> i guess yes !
[13:59] <aotaointbin> if i hadn't bought an intel 6700k a while back i'd be looking into ryzen.
[13:59] <MustaKrakish> more bang for buck
[13:59] <user__> Zorro___, i have a 1156 mobo with i-5 650
[13:59] <Zorro___> is Ryzen GPU supported ?
[13:59] <Zorro___> I mean APU
[13:59] <gulshan> Hey.. guys plz help me out.. i want to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[13:59] <user__> and it's killing it
[13:59] <Zorro___> I would like to use my nvidia i guess
[13:59] <MustaKrakish> ablest, whats the error?
[13:59] <Zorro___> Ryzen APU are not out yet i believe
[13:59] <Zorro___> only CPU...
[13:59] <gulshan> How to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[14:00] <ablest> i got it ty
[14:00] <ablest> i had to do cd /home/ablest/Downloads
[14:00] <Zorro___> I got this old Kabini AMD from several years back...low power 4 core..with Radeon...
[14:00] <Zorro___> I didnt like the Radeon support really
[14:00] <MustaKrakish> ablest, you'll obviously need to be in the directory where the file is located
[14:00] <Elzington> gulshan, http://askubuntu.com/questions/170348/how-to-create-a-local-apt-repository
[14:00] <Zorro___> so I bought an nvidia gt710
[14:01] <ablest> then tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[14:01] <MustaKrakish> or provide the full path to the file in the command
[14:01] <Zorro___> would prefer to use intel open source graphic drivers
[14:01] <ablest> its oks
[14:01] <ablest> work8s
[14:01] <Zorro___> whats cool with intel is that they actually contribute to open source........i mean for their graphical chipsets
[14:02] <Zorro___> i dont think AMD really cares about giving good support for X/Wayland/Mir
[14:02] <Zorro___> nvidia cares more
[14:02] <Zorro___> intel really cares
[14:02] <ablest> i need cell phone !!
[14:02] <MustaKrakish> LG G6
[14:02] <Zorro___> I got LG G4...the camera is #1...yeah go for the G6 if you can
[14:03] <ablest> k
[14:03] <Zorro___> LG phones are a much better deal than Samsung
[14:03] <Zorro___> dont believe the hype
[14:03] <ablest> samsung galaxy 8 it out i think
[14:03]  * MustaKrakish rocks the G5
[14:03] <MustaKrakish> samsung has bloatware
[14:03] <Zorro___> I only wish I could install an alternative to Android on LG G4...
[14:03] <gardon> @proxx_
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> unless you're going to root it and flash to CM
[14:04] <Zorro___> well unless you install a custom rom they all have crapwares
[14:04] <ducasse> seriously guys, this is ubuntu support, try to stay on topic please
[14:04] <Zorro___> ok sorry
[14:04] <ablest> i can put ubuntu on lg g6?
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> ablest, maybe
[14:04] <ablest> cool
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> ablest, it'll be powerful enough, just don't know about h/w support
[14:05] <MustaKrakish> ablest, https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile
[14:05] <ablest> preoorder like samsung s8
[14:05] <ablest> lg has big screen
[14:05] <ablest> 5.7
[14:05] <gardon> help
[14:06] <Zorro___> stay on topic...true it can become boring and anoying for other people who wants to chat about ubuntu / linux
[14:06] <ablest> k sorry
[14:06] <Zorro___> especially when google uses linux but dont really care about building an open linux solution
[14:07] <Zorro___> and android has that java layer.....yuk.
[14:09] <JuPaname> please link for install ubuntu UEFI 32bits
[14:10] <gardon> Hey @proxx_ Thanks if you're here
[14:10] <gardon> I think it worked
[14:10] <gardon> I can't send query to him anymore
[14:10] <gardon> Any one knows why?
[14:11] <MustaKrakish> gardon, cos he's not in the channel?
[14:12] <gardon> I mean via query
[14:12] <gardon> via pm
[14:12] <gardon> his name  was proxx_
[14:12] <ducasse> gardon: he quit
[14:13] <gardon> If so, that's too bad for me coz I didn't get the chance to thank him\
[14:15] <Kiicki> What is the difference between installing Ubuntu 14.04 and updating everything and installing 14.04.5 and updating everything? Or actually any 14.04.x version and updating everything?
[14:17] <ducasse> Kiicki: installing 14.04 and updating will give you the original 3.13 kernel + x stack, .5 will give you the kernel and x stack from 16.04 (or 16.10)
[14:18] <coffeeguy> hi is there any reason i can't select "Canonical Partners" in Software & Updates?
[14:19] <coffeeguy> i just updated the system, so dpkg is not locked
[14:20] <Kiicki> aah, that's what I thought as applying "fglrx" driver on 14.04.5 doesn't seem to work unless you downgrade the kernel or x stack which seems like a big hassle and can fuck up things. I had no problem applying the driver in 14.04.1 so I assume it's the kernel or x stack ducasse
[14:20] <Kiicki> It's just easier I guess to install one of the lower version and upgrade from there
[14:20] <Kiicki> To make the driver work at least
[14:20] <flash_problem> I have installed flash plugin following instructions from this page >>>http://askubuntu.com/questions/748629/how-to-install-pepper-flash...........But Chromium wont detect it
[14:21] <hateball> flash_problem: that's.. old info
[14:22] <hateball> some random PPA involved as well
[14:22] <ducasse> Kiicki: install plain 14.04 with the 3.13 kernel and do _not_ upgrade to a later hwe stack
[14:22] <hateball> flash_problem: use !ppapurge to undo what you've done, then depending on if you run 16.04 or 16.10 there are different packages you want to install
[14:23] <flash_problem> hateball, I didnt add anty PPAs ..Just enabled the "Canonicle partner" in "software & updates"
[14:23] <hateball> flash_problem: oh
[14:23] <flash_problem> any*
[14:23] <Kiicki> ducasse tbh, I don't even know how to upgrade the hwe stack so we are good
[14:23] <Kiicki> thanks for your time
[14:23] <hateball> flash_problem: yea, if you enable partners, do an apt update, then install the package adobe-flashplugin
[14:24] <hateball> flash_problem: and restart any browsers you have
[14:25] <flash_problem> hateball, But isnt browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash more recent than adobe-flashplugin ?
[14:25] <Kiicki> ducasse but since hwe stack doesn't seem to appear as "upgrade" when you update everything, it doesn't even pop up on your screen, how do people actually update that? Is it fair to assume that many people use old ones?
[14:25] <ducasse> hateball: isn't it pepperflash he wants?
[14:25] <ducasse> !hwe | Kiicki
[14:26] <Kiicki> Thanks, I was actually looking for something like that
[14:26] <hateball> ducasse: that package pulls in both npapi flash and ppapi flash, and updates properly on new versions
[14:27] <nacc> Kiicki: have you read these wiki pages? i feel like you've been asking the same questions a couple of days in a row
[14:27] <nacc> Kiicki: and have definitely beenpointed at them a few times
[14:27] <hateball> ducasse: where if you grab pepperflashplugin-nonfree, you need to run a manual check for new versions
[14:27] <hateball> flash_problem: ^
[14:27] <ducasse> hateball: good to know, thanks.
[14:27] <parabool> hello, I use discord and i have a USB headset + microphone, which isn't working out of the box. What should I check for to .. make it work?
[14:28] <parabool> it's logitech, nothing obscure
[14:28] <flash_problem> hateball, How do I run a manual check ?
[14:28] <Kiicki> nacc I have done plenty of reading and I start to get why it hasn't been working
[14:28] <hateball> flash_problem: if you have pepperflashplugin-nonfree installed, it's "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install"
[14:29] <hateball> which then grabs the latest chrome and extracts ppapi flash etc. I much prefer the adobe package.
[14:29] <Kiicki> nacc actually this was a good thing. A question about something I was curious and not about a problem
[14:30] <Kiicki> So I understand now what you were trying to help me with
[14:30] <parabool> When I go to Sound applications, the only headphones listed are actually my speakers
[14:30] <flash_problem> hateball, Installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[14:30] <Kiicki> Would honestly be easier to just clean install 14.4.0 or something and take it from there naac
[14:31] <nacc> Kiicki: i thought that's what you did?
[14:31] <nacc> Kiicki: i think you are confusing 14.04.x releases and 14.04.x kernel/x
[14:31] <Kiicki> I have now but you were helping me downgrade the Kernel or something else when I had 14.04.5
[14:31] <fiht_> why not ask askubuntu first...
[14:32] <Kiicki> nah, I I'm not caught up on the Kernel thing actually, which is what caused the problem
[14:32] <Kiicki> I get that tbh
[14:32] <Abbasi> Sex
[14:32] <Abbasi> sorry six
[14:32] <fiht_> seems there is a lot of post in askubuntu.com
[14:32] <Abbasi> its 6pm
[14:33] <Abbasi> any girl there?
[14:33] <fiht> no girl, thanks
[14:33] <Abbasi> I am pakistani
[14:33] <nacc> Kiicki: right
[14:33] <nacc> !ot | Abbasi
[14:34] <flash_problem> hateball, Installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree then did sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install ...restarted Chromium but it still doesnt detect flash
[14:34] <Kiicki> nacc but thanks for helping me non the less. Downgrading the Kernel or the other part you tried to help me with was probably a screw up on my half.
[14:34] <Abbasi> Ok sorry
[14:34] <Kiicki> but at least I don't need to do all that if I clean install 14.04
[14:34] <Abbasi> but i need girl.
[14:35] <nacc> Abbasi: stop, you have been warned.
[14:35] <nacc> Pici: thanks :)
[14:35] <nacc> Kiicki: it worked for me in my testing, fwiw
[14:36] <Kiicki> yeah, probably my fault
[14:36] <fiht> r#flash_problem can you repeat you question? maybe i can give you a help online.
[14:36] <Kiicki> At that point I think I hadn't slept for 36h
[14:36] <flash_problem> fiht,  Installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree then did sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install ...restarted Chromium but it still doesnt detect flash
[14:37] <hateball> flash_problem: have you tried to do any manual stuff to get flash working before this? or have you *only* enabled partner repo and nothing else?
[14:37] <flash_problem> hateball, Only enabled partner repos .. Nothing else
[14:38] <hateball> flash_problem: right, I suggest you try the adobe package then.
[14:38] <howarth> Any one know what happened to the software-center package in Zesty?
[14:38] <hateball> flash_problem: so close your browsers then run this: sudo apt purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt install adobe-flashplugin
[14:38] <nacc> howarth: it's been deprecated for a while, use gnome-software
[14:38] <nacc> howarth: also 17.04 questions in #ubuntu+1 pleaase
[14:39] <howarth> how do I get the dead entry for Software and Updates out of the Settings panels/
[14:39] <fiht> r#flash_problem what browser are you useing. ubuntu or chrome or chromium/
[14:39] <flash_problem> fiht, Chromium
[14:39] <howarth> System Settings has a dead icon now
[14:39] <fiht_> it it so easy
[14:39] <fiht_> wait me for a second
[14:40] <flash_problem> fiht_, Okay
[14:40] <fiht_> sorry, I'm using two account...
[14:40] <nacc> howarth: i don't know -- i dont' have one
[14:41] <poco_> So I believe my system is confusing my mounted SMB network shares as storage on my / disk and it's constantly reporting as full (100GB) even though Baobab says there's only 9.3GB on my / disk.
[14:41] <fiht_> maybe I should install a chromium first...
[14:42] <zied> leave
[14:42] <zied> hello all !
[14:42] <nacc> poco_: pastebin `df -h` -- what is reporting that the disk is full?
[14:43] <flash_problem> Brb
[14:43] <zied> is there any Quantum project with Canonical ?
[14:43] <nacc> zied: this is not a canonical channel
[14:43] <poco_> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281641/
[14:44] <zied> alright
[14:44] <nacc> poco_: it's quite clear that /dev/sda5 is moutned on / and is full
[14:44] <zied> thanks !
[14:44] <poco_> so yeah df says my / disk is full but, trust me.. it's not. This happened last night and I removed my network shares and it was no longer full
[14:44] <nacc> zied: and i'm not sure what you're asking
[14:44] <poco_> nacc, Baobab reports correctly that there's only 9.3GB on it
[14:45] <howarth> Don't we lose some useful feature with software-center being removed? Like being able to add the repo locations from a gui?
[14:45] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the output of 'df -h'
[14:45] <nacc> tgm4883: it's int he pastebin above
[14:45] <tgm4883> ah missed that, thanks
[14:45] <nacc> poco_: odd -- can you unmount the smb shares and rerun that command?
[14:46] <poco_> tgm4883, hey again! thanks for helping me last time! still having the same issue you helped me with a few days ago
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, untill release, support for zesty in #ubuntu+1 .. i think you can install gnome-software
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, else the excellent detailed softwarecenter synaptic
[14:46] <tgm4883> poco_: same thing. Unmount your network storage and run it again
[14:46] <fiht> does flash_problem still online?
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, i think it is about the transition to snap packages
[14:47] <fiht> you can open this link in chromium chrome://plugins/
[14:47] <OerHeks> fiht, flash is dead, yay.
[14:47] <fiht> Could you find flash in it?
[14:47] <fiht> I do not use flash...
[14:47] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281660/
[14:48] <OerHeks> fiht, no sucht page anymore > chrome://plugins/
[14:48] <nacc> howarth: at least on my system the setting is still there from gnome-software itself
[14:48] <fiht> sorry. first time here
[14:48] <nacc> poco_: still says 101G
[14:48] <OerHeks> chrome://chrome-urls/ is a nice one
[14:48] <tgm4883> poco_: run baobab again
[14:48] <tgm4883> ignore your home directory
[14:49] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc I would post you a screen of my Baobab but I can't save anything. Baobab changes everytime I tun it
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: well, you need to run it without your mounted storage attached
[14:49] <poco_> it now says it's 100GB with /mnt/ taking up 100GB
[14:49] <fiht> Do not understant why chrome//plugins/ is disabled.... (sorry for that
[14:49] <poco_> but I unmounted everything in /mnt/
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: then you did what  you did last time
[14:49] <Kiicki> They removed chrome//plugins
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: you've got stuff in there, which is taking up space
[14:49] <Kiicki> not a thing anymore anywhere
[14:49] <poco_> I deleted the 98GB file but.... it doesn't exist
[14:50] <poco_> trust me here
[14:50] <nacc> poco_: pastebin `ls -ahl /mnt`
[14:50] <OerHeks> fiht, google surely have an explanaition, go find it.
[14:50] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281680/
[14:51] <OerHeks> it has been gone for some versions now
[14:52] <nacc> poco_: and what's in tere? (or `du -sh /mnt` ?)
[14:52] <nacc> *there
[14:52] <tgm4883> poco_: either there's still files in this directory structure, or the file that you deleted is being held open by some other program
[14:53] <poco_> tgm4883, it says there's a 92GB file... but I don't understand how. I have checked the file paths. Everything in /mnt/ leads to a SMB share
[14:53] <nacc> poco_: check *now* with SMB unmounted
[14:53] <tgm4883> poco_: no, right now none of that leads to a SMB share
[14:53] <poco_> nacc, yeah when I unmount everything is when Baobab says / is 100GB
[14:54] <sandy_> hello
[14:54] <nacc> poco_: i'm guessing you put a file on your local disk, then mounted SMB over the path and so can't see it
[14:54] <poco_> nacc, so that's what I thought too
[14:54] <sandy_> hi
[14:54] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the output of 'du -sh /mnt'
[14:55] <poco_> nacc, but then last night I sudo rm -rf /mnt/ the 92GB directory and everything again showed that / was 9.3GB... except now it's back as soon as my SMB share is mounted again
[14:55] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the name of the 92GB file you deleted?
[14:56] <poco_> tgm4883, it's the exact same name as an rsync backup of my home folder of my network share
[14:56] <nacc> poco_: please pastebin the `du` output
[14:56] <poco_> somehow I think whenever my SMB shares are mounting it's somehow putting it under the / disk
[14:56] <poco_> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281704/
[14:56] <tgm4883> poco_: ok, we'll discuss your mounting issues later
[14:56] <nacc> poco_: right, so there is 92G of data in /mnt right now
[14:56] <tgm4883> let's fix this space issue
[14:57] <poco_> haha ok
[14:57] <tgm4883> poco_: 'du /mnt | sort -n -r | head'
[14:58] <poco_> tgm4883, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281728/
[14:58] <poco_> tgm4883, it's my /home/poco backup
[14:59] <tgm4883> poco_: yep, and it shouldn't be there
[14:59] <nacc> poco_: i'm guessing you at one point ran your backup *without* smb mounted
[14:59] <nacc> poco_: and thus wrote it to your actual disk
[14:59] <tgm4883> nacc: +1
[14:59] <poco_> tgm4883, yup. I'll delete it again
[14:59] <tgm4883> that's exactly what happened
[15:00] <wastrel> yay
[15:00] <poco_> "sudo rm -rf /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-poco-SYNC2" should do the trick right?
[15:00] <tgm4883> poco_: yes, which brings us to the next problem
[15:01] <tgm4883> poco_: while your mounting convention works, it can lead to problems.... The exact problems that you've experienced twice now
[15:01] <poco_> tgm4883, ok I'm following
[15:02] <poco_> (just to let you know since I have deleted that file last night I haven't ran another backup)
[15:02] <poco_> (btw my / disk is back to 9.8GB :D )
[15:02] <tgm4883> poco_: what you should do is, rather than backing up directly to "/mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase" you should create a new folder in that directory "/mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/Backups"  and then backup to that folder instead
[15:03] <tgm4883> poco_: that way, if for some reason your SMB storage isn't mounted, your backup will fail because the "Backups" folder doesn't exist
[15:03] <tgm4883> (note that your Backups folder will only be present when your SMB storage is mounted)
[15:03] <poco_> ok, so make sure that the folder isn't going to doesn't exist locally is what you're saying?
[15:03] <tgm4883> poco_: exactly
[15:05] <poco_> tgm4883, can you tell me then what happened last night? I discovered this backup that saved locally, sudo rm'd it. Everything was working great for the rest of the night, never did another rsync, and this morning see that it's again listed locally?
[15:05] <tgm4883> poco_: do you have the backups running in a cron job or something?
[15:05] <gulshan> Unable to create and initialize directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'.
[15:05] <acheron-a> hello HamRadio
[15:06] <gulshan> How to get over “device or resource busy”?
[15:06] <poco_> I thought that may be the case because at one point I did create a conrjob but "contab -l" shows no cron jobs
[15:06] <HamRadio> acheron-a, Hello! :)
[15:06] <gulshan> rm: cannot remove ‘/home/userhome’: Device or resource busy
[15:06] <nacc> gulshan: use a pastebin, provide exact commands run
[15:07] <poco_> tgm4883, boom. the crontab was hidden becuase it was under sudo, not the user
[15:08] <poco_> so I should change "@daily rsync -avP --delete --no-perms --exclude-from=/home/poco/Documents/Scripts/rsync-exclude.txt /home/poco /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-poco-SYNC2/
[15:08] <poco_> " to adding one more directory? tgm4883
[15:08] <tgm4883> poco_: yea
[15:10] <poco_> tgm4883, ok but right now, now SMB shares are mounted and the directory ends at /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase. There's no /WOPR-poco-SYNC2 directory.
[15:10] <poco_> locally
[15:10] <poco_> *no SMB shares are mounted
[15:10] <tgm4883> poco_: right. your backup job is creating that directory
[15:10] <poco_> ohhhh
[15:10] <tgm4883> poco_: so I'd add a "Backups' directory after "BackupDatabase" then fix your rsync job
[15:11] <poco_> but why would adding one more subdirectory not just create that directory as well?
[15:11] <tgm4883> poco_: then, I'd test what happens when you run it without the SMB mounted
[15:11] <tgm4883> poco_: because it should just create one level of directory, I don't believe it creates the full path
[15:12] <poco_> tgm4883, hot damn you're right. Running that rsync as is, creates it locally, but one more directory stops it completely
[15:13] <tgm4883> poco_: perfect
[15:13] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc you guys are amazing. I'm glad I got to the root of the problem
[15:13] <nacc> i think that's documented on the rsync man page too, but i'm not 100%
[15:13] <tgm4883> poco_: that cause Oregon represents, booya!
[15:13] <nacc> heh
[15:13]  * tgm4883 chest bumps nacc
[15:14] <gulshan> root@kutta-Standard-PC-i440FX-PIIX-1996:/etc/pam.d# su - ngarg Creating directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'. Unable to create and initialize directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'. su: Permission denied
[15:15] <wastrel> user ngarg doesn't have permission to creat that directory
[15:15] <wastrel> does /home/userhome/  exist?   what are the ownership and permissions?   is it a local or a network mount ?
[15:15] <nacc> !pastebin | gulshan
[15:28] <anddam> hello
[15:30] <anddam> does GNOME Drive support require gnome-online-acounts package that carries gnome-control-center or is there an Ubuntu equivalent?
[15:30] <anddam> I'm reading http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/use-google-drive-ubuntu-16-04-linux-desktops and I'm on 16.04
[15:33] <nacc> anddam: i don't undestand what youre asking -- does a gnome product require gnome stuff? yes.
[15:33] <OerHeks> gnome drive or google drive?
[15:34] <OerHeks> but i think: yes, sudo apt install gnome-control-center gnome-online-accounts # will give access https://www.howtogeek.com/196635/an-official-google-drive-for-linux-is-here-sort-of-maybe-this-is-all-well-ever-get/
[15:35] <anddam> nacc: not neccessarily, I see Ubuntu "rebrands" features, or override those
[15:35] <anddam> OerHeks: didn't even know there's such a thing as GNOME Drive
[15:35] <anddam> oh wait, I wrote that
[15:36] <nacc> anddam: you literally just wrote it...
[15:36] <nacc> anddam: and the article you posted refers to those packages
[15:36] <anddam> that was meant as "does GNOME's support for (Google) Drive"
[15:36] <anddam> poort phrasing on my side, I apologize
[15:38] <padhu> anybody help me to install AMD driver. while installing 'fglrx installation requires that the system has kernel headers.  /lib/modules/4.8.0-42-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.' shows in the log file
[15:38] <anddam> I asked since I see System Settings has an Online Accounts pane but the entries for a Google account are different than those shown for google-online-accounts
[15:38] <nacc> padhu: no fglrx support after 16.04
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: please stop mixing names
[15:38] <anddam> I thought that maybe there was an unity-online-accounts that was like gnome-online-accounts but integrated in Unity's System Settings
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: gnome and google are different
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: and it's hard to tell which you mean
[15:39] <padhu> nacc: that's why i tried to install from source got from AMD website. while installing the above error shows and stoped
[15:39] <anddam> ah damn, did it again
[15:39] <anddam> s/google-online/gnome-online
[15:39] <OerHeks> !ati
[15:40] <nacc> padhu: no. it will  not work with newer kernels, i don't know why you think it will
[15:41] <padhu> nacc: thanks. Then give me good ubuntu supported graphics card for Intel core 2 duo,ASUS MX5 motherboard
[15:42] <lol768> Hello, I recently did a do-release-upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04. This did not go smoothly. apt-get -f install gives me "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"
[15:42] <padhu> nacc: Asus P5B-MX*
[15:42] <tgm4883> padhu: what graphics card do you have?
[15:42] <padhu> tgm4883: ADM radeon HD 6670
[15:43] <OerHeks> padhu, test it live? you would get the radeon open driver, some sort of fglrx
[15:44] <tgm4883> padhu: is the radeon driver not doing it for you?
[15:44] <padhu> OerHeks: I installed ubuntu 16.04. are you want me to try with live CD?
[15:44] <padhu> tgm4883: yes
[15:45] <tgm4883> padhu: gaming?
[15:45] <OerHeks> padhu, oh, you are on 16.04, well, then you would have the radeon driver working already
[15:45] <OerHeks> padhu, it works fine for me, older card, hd5450, dual screen and capable of running 2 movies same time :-D
[15:46] <padhu> OerHeks: NO, I checked, System hanging for HD Movies to play
[15:46] <padhu> tgm4883: Not for gaming. I just need to work
[15:46] <padhu> OerHeks: lucky
[15:47] <lol768> What should I do to try and correct the dependency issues?
[15:47] <padhu> OerHeks: tgm4883: Nope, I do anything for ubuntu functioning. I am decided to buy new card.
[15:47] <lol768> or should I just give up and do a fresh install?
[15:48] <tgm4883> padhu: any of the compatible nvidia cards should work. IDK about any AMD cards
[15:48] <padhu> tgm4883: can you suggest me any good one
[15:48] <OerHeks> lol768, just run updates, and paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <padhu> is Dr.willys is there?
[15:49] <tgm4883> padhu: have you tried the on board video?
[15:49] <tgm4883> if you're just trying to work, that should be fine I would think
[15:50] <lol768> OerHeks: by "just run updates", do you mean "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[15:50] <padhu> tgm4883: My mother board not having on-board GPU
[15:50] <lol768> Also, can you give me a command line friendly way to paste on paste.ubuntu.com? I'm not in X, and the greeter doesn't work
[15:51] <padhu> tgm4883: I will look for your suggestion
[15:51] <tgm4883> padhu: really? I looked it up and it said it did. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P5BMX/
[15:51] <nacc> !pastebinit | lol768
[15:51] <OerHeks> lol768, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:51] <nacc> padhu: your gpu doesn't work at all ?
[15:52] <OerHeks> maybe you get an error that there will be a partial update, do that, and reboot & run updates again ...
[15:52] <lol768> http://termbin.com/w6d5
[15:52] <lol768> Looks pretty dire to me :p
[15:52] <padhu> nacc: yes
[15:53] <padhu> tgm4883: I saw the link
[15:53] <nacc> padhu: that doesn't seem right
[15:53] <OerHeks> lol768, err dotnet-dev-1.0.1-rc4-004906 ?? did that survive an distro upgrade???
[15:53] <nacc> lol768: you have packages installed that dont seem to exist
[15:53] <padhu> nacc: what you mean?
[15:54] <lol768> OerHeks: apparently! nacc: interesting, possibly from PPAs/third party repos?
[15:54] <nacc> lol768: that's my guess
[15:54] <lol768> Here's apt-get install -f: http://termbin
[15:54] <lol768> Here's apt-get install -f: http://termbin/dejq
[15:54] <OerHeks> that dotnet is @ 2.0.0 alpha now ... what a mess
[15:55] <lol768> Sorry I'm struggling to type URLs out on this phone..
[15:55] <nacc> padhu: can you clarify what you mean by the graphics card doesn't work? you don't get a desktop at all?
[15:55] <lol768> OerHeks: I'm happy to try and nuke packages like that and worry about reinstalling them later
[15:55] <lol768> Fixed URL: http://termbin.com/dejq
[15:55] <padhu> nacc: Graphics card not working, I got a desktop
[15:56] <lol768> But right now I can't even do an apt-get remove
[15:56] <nacc> padhu: ok, *clarify* what 'graphics card no working' means, as i asked! are you able get to a graphical desktop?
[15:56] <padhu> nacc: What i mean is i will not good acceleration in 16.04. It sucks while palying HD movie. compared to 14.04
[15:57] <nacc> padhu: that is not hte same at all
[15:57] <nacc> padhu: "no working" means it ... doesn't work.
[15:59] <lol768> I mean right now running gdm gives me a bunch of initctl errors referencing upstart.. and I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses systemd now :(
[15:59] <padhu> nacc: oh, I think that it's not working, that's why my media stuck playing. I tried with VLC, MPV, SMplayer, totem but hangs, scramble
[15:59] <donaldray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI1N6PEklfc&t=1592s
[16:00] <OerHeks> donaldray, should we click that youtube?
[16:00] <donaldray> yes
[16:00] <nacc> !ot | donaldray
[16:01] <nacc> and probably !spam | donaldray
[16:01] <OerHeks> donaldray, no we don  unless you tell the ubuntu support issue
[16:01] <OerHeks> oh spam, silly boy
[16:01] <tgm4883> posting unrequested youtube links should be an instaban
[16:01] <kings> Is opera don't running ubuntu debian, anymore?
[16:01] <nacc> kings: that is a confusing question
[16:02] <padhu> nacc:
[16:02] <kings> i wants to install opera, but opera website said RPM package
[16:03] <OerHeks> kingthey give rpm only, i noticed ..http://www.opera.com/computer/linux
[16:03] <OerHeks> but..  tadaa little hack >> http://www.opera.com/download/get/?partner=www&opsys=Linux&package=DEB&utm_campaign=offline_installer_test
[16:03] <OerHeks> :-D
[16:03] <stenton> #join /startiot
[16:03] <nacc> kings: and regardless, you shoud ask opera for support
[16:03] <kings> thanks
[16:03] <kings> why they do start with RMP package? just wonder
[16:03] <OerHeks> nacc known issue, their page is a little off ..
[16:03] <nacc> kings: you would need to ask them
[16:04] <kings> ah- true.
[16:04] <donaldray> #www.daviccarrico.com
[16:05] <nacc> !spam | donaldray
[16:08] <lenne> I moved ubuntu onto a flash drive and my settings are on UEFI
[16:08] <lenne> but nothing appears when booting on windows 10
[16:08] <lenne> wut do?
[16:09] <gde33> I wanted to try this here http://www.juergen-ernst.de/info_sane.html but which package do I need? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/perl/libdevice-usb-perl my cpu is intel and the system is 64 bit.
[16:09] <OerHeks> lenne, disable fastboot, disable  Intel Smart Response , and it should work, see !uefi manual
[16:10] <OerHeks> !uefi
[16:11] <OerHeks> gde33, not jessie packages, unless you run jessie, then join #debian
[16:12] <nacc> gde33: why are you looking at debian packages and asking in ubuntu?
[16:12] <gde33> I'm not sure, I would like to use this scanner, this page is all I could find and talks about that package.
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: are you on debian?
[16:13] <gde33> no
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: then don't use the debian package lists
[16:13] <nacc> !info sane xenial
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: --^
[16:14] <gde33> I think that came with gscan2pdf ?
[16:14] <gde33> or do I have to install it seperately?
[16:15] <gde33> it says "no devide found"
[16:18] <OerHeks> gde33,  that url is the 'only' solution, what happens when you run that perlscript?
[16:18] <gde33> OerHeks: I dont really know how to :P
[16:19] <gde33> making it exectable and picking "run in terminal" does nothing
[16:19] <OerHeks> a quick search gives http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libdevice-usb-perl
[16:20] <plasticuproject> Can anyone tell me why a default Ubuntu install lets the system log files grow to such massive sizes?
[16:20] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, errors do.
[16:21] <phil-alexander> hello! I'm trying to get nfsv4 working with kerberos, could someone give me a hand? My export seems to mount correctly on the client, ownership and permissions seem to be preserved, but when I try to access it as root on the client it gives me permission denied. Ownership is root:root and permissions are 750. Not really sure what I could be doing wrong.
[16:21] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, grep the tail from xsessions or other log that seem to be growing, and paste them on paste.ubuntu.com
[16:22] <plasticuproject> I'd just think the OS would put a size limit on the file. GB size log files are crazy.
[16:22] <gde33> OerHeks: how should I take "If you are running Ubuntu, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website."
[16:22] <gde33> do I just apt-get install packagename?
[16:22] <plasticuproject> It's happened on a few of my Ubuntu based OSs
[16:23] <OerHeks> gde33, yes, don't download packages anywhere, ust apt indeed
[16:23] <EriC^^> plasticuproject: use a separate /var maybe
[16:23] <gde33> sudo apt-get install libdevice-usb-perl
[16:24] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, gb size logs say that they are growing with lines/minute, sounds like a serious error, instead of complaining about logsizes, fix the error maybe?
[16:25] <lenne> I can't seem to figure this out
[16:26] <plasticuproject> Naw, can't be serious, it doesn't effect my day to day operation at all.
[16:27] <EriC^^> lenne: figure what out?
[16:28] <lenne> why I don't have an option to boot ubuntu after moving it onto a flash drive
[16:28] <lenne> 64bit bios
[16:29] <lenne> used rufus and nothing appears
[16:29] <lenne> going nuts
[16:29] <EriC^^> lenne: fast boot off and secure boot?
[16:30] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: which log?
[16:30] <plasticuproject> and there are no errors in the tail of my logs, just....logs
[16:30] <gde33> OerHeks: it werked! thank you so much! :D you too nacc :)
[16:30] <lenne> checking now
[16:31] <plasticuproject> syslog, messages, and one other that I can't remember
[16:31] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: sounds like you should pastebin some of those logs so we can have a look
[16:32] <gde33> lol, it does require using windows to put the scanner head back to the start position -.-
[16:34] <plasticuproject> I'm not big on sharing stuff like that, it just seems to be logging EVERYTHING that I do.
[16:34] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: well without some snippet of log files, I'm not sure how you expect us to help you
[16:35] <plasticuproject> Mar 30 10:34:09 kal-el /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1450]: (II) input device 'Video Bus', /dev/input/event5 is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[16:36] <plasticuproject> full of similar lines
[16:36] <k1l> plasticuproject: if its not ubuntu but "ubuntu based OSs" and you dont want to give details so people can see whats going in, then i dont see a point in asking for help in here :/
[16:36] <plasticuproject> Okay, well this has happened to me in Ubuntu 16.04 as well.
[16:36] <nap> hi
[16:37] <k1l> plasticuproject: doesnt matter. come back when you use ubuntu or a official flavor
[16:37] <plasticuproject> And now I have experienced it again, on a different machine.
[16:39] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: this isn't happening to anyone else, and with 1 line of log files I'm going to suggest you're being intentionally vague. In any case, back to your original question of "Why doesn't ubuntu restrict log file sizes", Can you tell me how to restrict log file sizes?
[16:41] <plasticuproject> I'm not a programmer, just a user. If my question doesn't make sense, then please just tell me.
[16:42] <plasticuproject> I've come across others with a similar problem on web searches.
[16:43] <plasticuproject> On my Ubuntu 16.04 I was advised to install busybox-syslogd and reset the syslog and kern.log
[16:43] <k1l> if your logfile gets too big, that is just the symptom. the issue is, that some error is spamming the logs (for a reason). so instead of making the logs rotate more often one should fix the error that is spamming the logs.
[16:43] <linuxgecko> how do i fix badly detected/not properly customized grub entries on 16.04?
[16:44] <nacc> linuxgecko: can you be more specific? (example in a pastebin maybe)
[16:44] <k1l> so with you running your non ubuntu OS i suggest you go to the support for that OS and provide them the logs to get help to get that error fixed.
[16:45] <plasticuproject> Okay, thanks. I was just wondering why the OS would allow a log file to grow to such a size, so big that is could crash a system with low space...
[16:45] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: I just don't believe theres a way to do restrict the size of the logs files that's going to be useful. As others have already said, massive log files are a symptom of a problem, and one that should be fixed
[16:45] <nacc> plasticuproject: your choice is either to lose log data or properly fix what is excessively logged -- ubuntu chooses the latter by default
[16:45] <OerHeks> it is like complaining about a bumpy road, when you have a flat tyre ..
[16:46] <plasticuproject> I'm NOT complaining people!
[16:46] <plasticuproject> I am just curios. Jesus.
[16:46] <k1l> tgm4883: one could use logrotate. but that is just making the error look more pretty. not helping anything.
[16:46] <dstolfa> plasticuproject: One thing you could so is put it on a separate partition and set a quota on that partition. I'm not familiar with Linux systems, but it's dead simple to do with ZFS
[16:47] <tgm4883> k1l: that only helps if the log fill is slow enough that it doesn't fill your disk in a day
[16:48] <plasticuproject> I read on stack overflow someone who's log grew 1GB in a day
[16:48] <plasticuproject> That could crash a persistent live usb
[16:48] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: 1GB in a day? that's barely anything
[16:49] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: when you fill an 80GB partition with logs in a day, let me know
[16:49] <plasticuproject> For a syslog file? Seems like it to me.
[16:49] <dstolfa> tgm4883: Google gets terabytes of logs on a daily basis with Dapper, kind of dwarfs the rest
[16:49] <plgos> jello
[16:50] <plasticuproject> well, 80GB, that would surely crash a live usb
[16:51] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: my point still stands, there's not a good way to restrict the size of that out of the box
[16:51] <plasticuproject> I'm sure Goole does. Amazon is up there too I'm sure
[16:51] <linuxgecko> nacc: ubuntu is the distro controlling grub on my system, but i prefer another distro i have also installed on this box. the grub detection ees the kernel, and now also sees the initrd properly by default, but it specifies the root as /dev/dm-1, not as dev/vg/lv or by uuid, and does  not add any of the kernel options i need to boot it straight from the menu, instead having to edit it on each boot
[16:51] <worktoner> I followed a procedure to expand the size of my virtual ubuntu hard drive, and the drive now shows in gparted as using all the space (50GB) but for some rason Ubuntu shows me the old size when i use 'd f-h'
[16:51] <plasticuproject> tgm4883: Thank you, that answers my question perfectly
[16:52] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: and the others point still stands as well. If you're bleeding out, the correct response is to stop the bleeding. Not just continually get blood transfusions
[16:52] <bekks> worktoner: Of course. Because you resized the virtual harddisk only. You did not resize the partition inside. You did not resize any filesystems.
[16:52] <worktoner> Does anyone know if I need to run an additional command on ubuntu in order to get the OS to detect the new hard drive size? When I run 'fdisk -l' i can see the full hard drive
[16:53] <nacc> plasticuproject: fwiw, you asked a question in the support channel -- which is for issues iwth ubuntu, not for general observations
[16:53] <worktoner> bekks: I used gparted to restructure the partitions
[16:53] <nacc> worktoner: you probably need to rescan the disk
[16:53] <worktoner> nacc: Sorry rescan?
[16:53] <worktoner> Its ubuntu 16 LTS also
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: echo 1 > /sys/block/<sdwhatever>/device/rescan ?
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: or so
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: also, i asssume you mean a VM?
[16:54] <plasticuproject> nacc: Seriously?? You are splitting hairs.
[16:54] <linuxgecko> worktoner: the dive may have been edited, but the system assumes it's the same as when you booted, untill you tell it to go check and realize the changes.
[16:54] <worktoner> nacc: Yes this is a virtual machine
[16:55] <worktoner> linuxgecko: Hmm.. I'm a little confused because the instructions I've seen (i checked a couple) don't mention that. They all say after gparted has adjusted the partition tables you should be good to go
[16:56] <linuxgecko> worktoner:  usually, tools like gparted will handle the rescan for you.  that's why it's not usually included.
[16:56] <worktoner> nacc: And that will begin the rescan?
[16:58] <bekks> worktoner: you could just exit gparted and run sudo partprobe.
[16:58] <worktoner> I did 'apt-get install scsitools' and 'rescan-scsi-bus'
[16:59] <worktoner> But 'df -h' still shows me the old harddrive size
[16:59] <bekks> So you did not resize your filesystems.
[16:59] <worktoner> In fdisk -l I have /dev/sda2 at 50 GB but /dev/mapper/mybox--vg-root is only 17 GB
[16:59] <bekks> Thats what I just said.
[17:00] <bekks> You did not resize the LV and you did not resize the filesystem in the LV.
[17:00] <worktoner> Apparently not
[17:01] <worktoner> Isn't that what gparted was doing for me??
[17:01] <bekks> No.
[17:02] <worktoner> Can I do that with gparted?
[17:02] <bekks> No :)
[17:02] <ioria> worktoner, you can't manage lvm with gparted
[17:03] <bekks> worktoner: Just use lvresize and then resize your root fs.
[17:04] <nacc> worktoner: rescan-scsi-bus just rescans the bus, not the disks
[17:04] <linuxgecko> nacc: any help from my specifics?
[17:06] <nacc> worktoner: there is a flag to rescan-scsi-bus to force rescan
[17:06] <linuxgecko> bekks: i agree with yoru process for handling lv resizing, but gparted has tackled beasts with more bit if it gets done wrong, like ntfs, why not handle lvm by now?
[17:07] <bekks> linuxgecko: Because no one implemented it in gparted.
[17:07] <worktoner> nacc: After the rescan I still see /dev/mapper/mybox--vg-root at 17 GB
[17:07] <nacc> worktoner: are you sure rescanned the correct device?
[17:08] <bekks> The LV and the fs are still 17G.
[17:08] <nacc> worktoner: wait, that's the LVM size
[17:08] <nacc> worktoner: not the disk size
[17:08] <bekks> You can scan it a gazillion times, it will not change.
[17:08] <nacc> bekks: yes, thanks, sorry, am distracted :)
[17:08] <plgos> My ubuntu install takes about an hour to load and sometimes the desktop glitches out and i have to reboot. What can i do to fix this?
[17:09] <bekks> plgos: You need to find the reason, start with investigating dmesg.
[17:10] <ioria> plgos, you can also boot in text boot and follow the  process and where it halts
[17:10] <OerHeks> sudo journalctl -- systemd-analyze blame - systemd-analyze critical-chain
[17:11] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > {filename}.svg
[17:11] <plgos> Okay everything is recongnized i believe the only issue i can see is the cpu being used alot like my dual core is almost always capped at 60 70~ and my ram is almost maxed too when opening firefox it maxes
[17:12] <ioria> plgos, usually it'a about  a disk  partition or service failing to start
[17:12] <worktoner> Aha
[17:12] <worktoner> Ok I figured it out thanks
[17:12] <plgos> is it normal for ubuntu to use alot of resources?
[17:12] <OerHeks> oh, running 100% when opening an app is bad?
[17:12] <worktoner> nacc: Thanks I needed to resize the logical volume and resize the root filesystem
[17:12] <nacc> plgos: all of your ram should lwasy be in use
[17:12] <worktoner> Appaently that was left out of these instructions I had before
[17:12] <nacc> plgos: if possible
[17:13] <worktoner> I should take the rest of the day off..
[17:13] <worktoner> hehe
[17:13] <plgos> nacc: lwasy be in use?
[17:13] <nacc> plgos: sorry, always be in use
[17:13] <nacc> plgos: RAM is pointless to have sitting around
[17:15] <plgos> nacc: well i only have 2gb so i need to have at least some left over to open up more than 3 programs before crashing is there anything i can do to increase ubuntus preformace or do i have to resort to a different de/wm other than unity?
[17:15] <plgos> idk
[17:16] <deanman> Hi, i accidentally remove some evolution-* packages which resulted in a weird unity desktop (running xenial). Now "system settings" show this odd window with some settings but not the standard one as expected from unity. Any hints for me ?
[17:17] <bekks> plgos: did you check dmesg?
[17:17] <rts-sander> how much of the 2gb is de DE using?
[17:17] <ioria> plgos, with 2G it's not recommend run ubuntu but a lighter DE
[17:17] <ioria> *ed
[17:21] <plgos> ioria: it says my machine is more than whats recommended. But do you believe i should run a different de/wm
[17:21] <plgos> bekks: i did what exactly am i looking for it seems like everything is reconigzed
[17:21] <plgos> bekks: no issue with my gpu its there
[17:22] <minimec> deanman: 'sudo apt install reinstall evolution' should give you the default evolution package selection again.
[17:22] <bekks> ioria: 2G is more than enough for Ubuntu.
[17:22] <OerHeks> plgos, what GPU exactly?
[17:23] <bekks> plgos: Can you pastebin the entire output of "dmesg" please, and share the link?
[17:24] <minimec> deanman: It's 'sudo apt install --reinstall evolution' ;)
[17:26] <plgos> OerHeks:  nVidia GeForce 6200 64MB TurboCache Upto 256MB thats my gpu.
[17:26] <plgos> bekks: i cant really because im not in gui rn
[17:27] <bekks> plgos: You dont need a gui to do so.
[17:27] <bekks> !pastebin | plgos
[17:27] <bekks> !pastebinit | plgos
[17:28] <OerHeks> i think that one is not even supported with the 304 driver, too old
[17:28] <OerHeks> so 2d and maybe youtube ..
[17:29] <Pip> Can I install a i386 package on an X64 Ubuntu?
[17:29] <plgos> Pip: yess
[17:30] <Pip> plgos, How to do that?
[17:30] <OerHeks> Pip yes, apt install <package.deb:i386
[17:30] <Pip> Just like that?
[17:30] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[17:30] <plgos> bekks: found a solution
[17:30] <OerHeks> Pip sometimes you need to run apt install -f to get dependencies, but it works
[17:31] <Pip> I see
[17:33] <plgos> does anyone have a guide to configure twm?
[17:35] <ioria> plgos, are you sure you want to use it ? :þ
[17:35] <choki> plgos: use i3wm
[17:36] <plgos> ioria: ive used it in the past when i ran netbsd
[17:36] <choki> it has great docs!
[17:36] <bekks> plgos: And what is your solution?
[17:36] <ioria> plgos, my advice: 1) found why it lags 2) try Xubuntu
[17:36] <choki> xubuntu *_*
[17:37] <choki> why people still use unity?
[17:37] <bekks> ioria: 2G is enough for running Unity.
[17:37] <choki> xubuntu should be the main!
[17:37] <ioria> ok
[17:37] <plgos> bekks: throw unity out the window and use a working environment
[17:37] <plgos> bekks: twm works perfectly
[17:38] <plgos> choki: it was fun on arch but idk not a huge fan of tiling wm if i had to use one id pick dwm or xmonad
[17:39] <Ingenic> im sitting at 1.8 GB of RAM used right now with firefox, irssi, and discord open on i3wm. i3 is pretty lightweight, so idk how 2GB of ram could run fluidly with a heavier desktop
[17:39] <choki> pcmasterrace!
[17:39] <choki> !war
[17:40] <choki> !war2?
[17:40] <choki> oh
[17:40] <choki> you're not a phrik :D
[17:40] <choki> ubottu: still like ya ^.^
[17:41] <plgos> Ingenic: nice but why not weechat? n what term?
[17:42] <Ingenic> plgos: I'm just used to irssi. Default ubuntu terminal, gnome-terminal i believe
[17:42] <Menzador> choki: ((ubottu is a Supybot))
[17:43] <plgos> Ingenic: have you tried urxvt?
[17:43] <choki> why all the hype about urxvt? it is a mess to configure!
[17:43] <plgos> choki: i never had an issue
[17:43] <Ingenic> I've tried it, but couldn't get it configured how I wanted. Ended up being a mess
[17:44] <plgos> choki: it was pretty simple
[17:44] <plgos> Ingenic: lol dont give up
[17:44] <choki> lol xD
[17:45] <Ingenic> plgos: already have lol. I got what i wanted somewhere else hhaha
[17:45] <nicomachus> is there any program I can use to keep one window on top all the time?
[17:46] <ducasse> nicomachus: if your wm supports sticky windows, use that
[17:46] <plgos> Ingenic: you'll feel more elite and accomplished lol
[17:46] <EriC^^> nicomachus: which de? even unity has that
[17:47] <Ingenic> plgos: ehh, I would if I had more time. But for now, what I have works well enough
[17:48] <plgos> Ingenic: ight I'm gonna end up being a lfs user i feel lol
[17:49] <choki> ducasse: wmcli
[17:50] <choki> ducasse: or devilspie
[17:50] <ducasse> choki: i'm not the one who asked
[17:50] <Ingenic> plgos: Good luck! I've tried arch because I wanted all the customization. Ended up just sticking with ubuntu and installing things I wanted on top cause building up from scratch ended up being way more than I was ready for, dependancy wise
[17:50] <jnpr> as of now, what are some good x86 tablets to install ubuntu on?
[17:51] <choki> xD
[17:51] <nicomachus> EriC^^: unity
[17:52] <EriC^^> nicomachus: right click on the window border and choose always on top
[17:53] <choki> EriC^^: i like your eyebrows!
[17:53] <SimonNL> that's the choki I remember.
[17:53] <nicomachus> EriC^^: Don't have that option...
[17:53] <EriC^^> nicomachus: oh, maybe it's a compiz addition?
[17:54] <nicomachus> I have it on terminal windows, but not on chome
[17:54] <nicomachus> chrome*
[17:54] <EriC^^> oh
[17:54] <plgos> Ingenic: arch is one of my main os no offence but wasn't that difficult im in here for my mom she had issues.
[17:54] <plgos> Ingenic: thank you
[17:54] <OerHeks> jnpr, 'good tablets' have uefi, and 32 bit uefi is not well supported. * if it works, you might find hardware that does not work
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: lol xD i'm manu
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: never seen you on freenode so far
[17:54] <SimonNL> that's the choki I remember
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: i will not come back to spotchat
[17:55] <SimonNL> hanging around for a while now
[17:55] <nicomachus> !ot | choki SimonNL
[17:55] <choki> nicomachus: oki
[17:55] <SimonNL> sorry nicomachus
[17:55] <choki> gtg
[17:55] <choki> see ya
[17:55] <SimonNL> \o
[17:55] <choki> o/
[17:56] <Ingenic> plgos: I've tried it a few times, followed the guides, but when it comes down to it, I couldn't get it to boot. I love manjaro, but at my core im more of a ubuntu guy i guess lol
[17:56] <nicomachus> EriC^^: I figured it out
[17:57] <nicomachus> Have to select "use system tiles and borders" first, then "Always on Top"
[17:57] <EriC^^> nicomachus: aha, nice one
[18:04] <linuxgecko> this is a support channel, yes?
[18:04] <azx> yes
[18:04] <OerHeks> linuxgecko, yes, see the topic
[18:06] <linuxgecko> OerHeks: pardon some of my cheek, but i asked a question, someone asked for specifics, and i provided them, and noone has tried to respond, afaict, including the person who asked.
[18:07] <linuxgecko> not even a "sorry, i don't know how to help more on that.
[18:08] <nacc> linuxgecko: sorry, it got lost in the backscroll (and i confused you with a different user)
[18:08] <nacc> linuxgecko: edit /etc/default/grub probably as appropriate
[18:09] <linuxgecko> nacc: sorry for the blowout, too, but i'm not having the best of days.
[18:10] <OerHeks> linuxgecko, don't worry, repeat your question from time to time, not every minute that is
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: also, we are all volunteers
[18:10] <linuxgecko> nacc: i thought i tried that once, but I'll see if it works now. should that work on next boot, or do i need to run some commands also?
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: after editing it, you need to run `update-grub`
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: which will rewrite the grub config
[18:11] <ayush1706> Hey
[18:11] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:11] <ayush1706> Anyone used or using kernelcare here?
[18:12] <nacc> ayush1706: is that an ubuntu package?
[18:12] <bekks> jnpr: basically, there are no good x86 tablets.
[18:12] <jnpr> bekks, that was my understanding
[18:13] <OerHeks> ayush1706, most people here use livepatch http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-the-canonical-live-patch-service-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[18:13] <ayush1706> nacc its basically
[18:13] <ayush1706> nacc: Its basically a cloudlinux package which installs patches without requiring reboot
[18:14] <OerHeks> ayush1706, kernelcare is not free for 3 machines.
[18:14] <OerHeks> livepatch is...
[18:14] <nacc> ayush1706: that would be what OerHeks is referring to, in the ubuntu world, livepatch
[18:14] <ayush1706> OerHeks, yeah I know. we have its license already. Its running on centos. Needed some help in setting it up on Ubuntu
[18:15] <ayush1706> nacc, Yeah similar thing
[18:16] <OerHeks> ayush1706, i think you find no answer here, for paid stuff while there is a beter solution, kernelcare has a history of failures.
[18:17] <ayush1706> OerHeks, Umm okay. Thanks :)
[18:18] <OerHeks> ayush1706, you could re-ask the guys in #ubuntu-server, not sure about them.
[18:18] <ayush1706> OerHeks, Ohh cool. Makes sense. I'll try that
[18:23] <_laceylaney> Problems mounting android phone after re-installing xubuntu on laptop. Full details and info here >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2357162&p=13627204#post13627204 << Can anyone help ??
[18:24] <emachines> ola
[18:25] <_laceylaney> HIHI ^^
[18:32] <emachines> hola
[18:33] <_laceylaney> HIHI ^^
[18:33] <emachines_> HOLIS
[18:33] <emachines> pene
[18:33] <nicomachus> !ot | all please:
[18:33] <emachines_> JAJJJAJAJJAJAJJA
[18:33] <emachines> lol
[18:33] <emachines> eggregegershr
[18:33] <emachines_> PENE
[18:33] <emachines_> PENEGRO
[18:34] <nicomachus> emachines_: stop.
[18:34] <LuC|FeR> hi all
[18:34] <_laceylaney> Guys... I have problems mounting my android phone after re-installing xubuntu on laptop. Full details and info here >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2357162&p=13627204#post13627204 << Can anyone help ??
[18:35] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: have you installed adb?
[18:35] <_laceylaney> no I have not installed adb
[18:35] <_laceylaney> I did not install it last time and my phone worked without any bother.
[18:36] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: install `android-tools-adb` then run 'adb devices' and see if your phone is listed.
[18:36] <LuC|FeR> i have a problem is that i have this message when i try "apt-get update" : W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:36] <_laceylaney> ok give me a sec to do all of that ;-)
[18:37] <OerHeks> lucid is EOL. dead.
[18:37] <yorch> hola
[18:37] <yorch> hi
[18:37] <yorch> jelou
[18:37] <OerHeks> Lucid Desktop support ended May 9 2013
[18:37] <nicomachus> hi yorch. English, please.
[18:37] <yorch> lol
[18:38] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, i would do a fresh install of 16.04 lts.
[18:38] <yorch> JAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJA
[18:38] <ducasse> yorch: stop
[18:38] <yorch> HELP ME
[18:38] <yorch> ME VAN A MATAR
[18:38] <LuC|FeR> yes i did it
[18:38]  * nicomachus sighs
[18:38] <yorch> PLEASE
[18:39] <_laceylaney> nicomachus: No device is listed whenever I run that command.
[18:39] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: lucid is no longer supported, you need to upgrade
[18:39] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: do you have debugging enabled in your phone?
[18:39] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | LuC|FeR
[18:39] <_laceylaney> yes I do and I have tried turning it off also.
[18:39] <OerHeks> 10.04 > 12.04 ( few days left) > 14.04 > 16.04
[18:40] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks : 4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:41] <_laceylaney> ok so I unplugged my phone and rebooted it. It now appears under adb devices :-)
[18:41] <_laceylaney> List of devices attached
[18:41] <_laceylaney> MWS0216516000747	device
[18:41] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: ok. is it set as an MTP device on the phone? I think mine defaults to charge only. Should be something in the notification menu about it.
[18:41] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, so then you have lucid sources in your sources.list ??
[18:41] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:42] <OerHeks> and "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ "
[18:42] <_laceylaney> Yes mine sets to charge by default also but when I pull the notification bar down from the top I can select either photos or files. I usually just select files...
[18:42] <OerHeks> that is where punny ppa's go.
[18:42] <TRex> Hurrdrurrii
[18:43] <TRex> the fuck hwo do i chane nick?
[18:43] <TRex> says this ones taken...
[18:43] <ducasse> !ohmy | TRex
[18:43] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i had a problem on update and i did some modifed on the source.liste
[18:43] <IdleOne> /nick TRex-anotherNick
[18:44] <TRex-Hurdurrii> Alright thanks :D
[18:44] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i also rm on source.liste.d
[18:44] <arog> hey, can I ask shell script questions here
[18:44] <arog> never mind i got it in #bash
[18:45] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks but the probelm is when i change on the source.list i still get the same problem
[18:45] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, that would not be the ubuntu way, just deleting might give issues when you have installed any package through a ppa listed there...
[18:45] <_laceylaney> In the link i posted earlier I provided a link to dmesg. I don't know what to make of the output but maybe there is some error occurring or something ??
[18:45] <OerHeks> so lets see your sources list, as ducasse asked?
[18:48] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i get it back as before now
[18:48] <LuC|FeR>  xenial/
[18:49] <acresearch> people, what is the different between sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade?
[18:49] <ducasse> acresearch: update refreshes package lists, upgrade installs new packages
[18:49] <skinux> Where the hell is the default web root directory for Jetty???
[18:49] <OerHeks> updates gets fresh lists, upgrade gets the packages
[18:49] <acresearch> ducasse: ohhh ok thanks
[18:49] <acresearch> OerHeks: thanks
[18:50] <OerHeks> full-update gets kernels too
[18:50] <ducasse> acresearch: you probably want to use dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
[18:50] <OerHeks> so always run full-update, to be sure...
[18:50] <nacc> OerHeks: full-upgrade?
[18:50] <acresearch> hmmm ok
[18:51] <OerHeks> full/dist .. there are more options i think.
[18:51] <acresearch> is there is a difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade?
[18:51] <nacc> OerHeks: right, i meant full-upgrade not full-update :)
[18:51] <nacc> acresearch: dist-upgrade is old syntax for apt-get, use full-upgrade with apt (and dist-upgrade is around as an alias)
[18:51] <acresearch> oh ok
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt has parameter full-upgrade,
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt-get has parameter dist-upgrade
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt full-upgrade performs the same function as apt-get dist-upgrade.
[18:52] <nacc> OerHeks: i think apt also supports dist-upgrade, just doesn't document it :)
[18:52] <acresearch> i see
[18:52] <nacc> OerHeks: just checked, it does :)
[18:52] <acresearch> so alwat better to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: are you on 16.04?
[18:52] <acresearch> that is after i run update :-)
[18:52] <acresearch> nacc: yes
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: don't bother with anything else
[18:53] <acresearch> nacc: ok
[18:53] <nacc> OerHeks: funnily `man apt` has tons of references into the `man apt-get` pages :)
[18:53] <OerHeks> full-update gets kernels too, i use it standard
[18:53] <nacc> OerHeks: again, 'full-upgrade' :)
[18:53] <OerHeks> err yes, typo
[18:53] <nacc> just so it's not confusing for others
[18:53] <acresearch> :-)
[18:54] <OerHeks> yay, robots don't do typos .. do they?
[18:54] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks how can i do a full-update
[18:54] <nicomachus> ha
[18:55] <ioria> hal 9000
[18:55] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: that was a typo
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> ah ok
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> :)
[18:55] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: he meant full-upgrade
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> ah ok
[18:56] <xcyclist> I'm getting frequent errors from various situations, including apt, about my timezone settings not being correct.
[18:57] <xcyclist>  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/locale.py", line 581, in setlocale
[18:57] <xcyclist> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: 	LANGUAGE = "es:en", 	LC_ALL = (unset), 	LC_TIME = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_MONETARY = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_ADDRESS = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_TELEPHONE = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_NAME = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_MEASUREMENT = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_IDENTIFICATION = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_NUMERIC = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_PAPER = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LANG = "en_us.UTF-8"
[18:58] <wastrel> what's your locale
[18:58] <xcyclist> United States it appears.
[18:58] <wastrel> env | grep LANG
[18:59] <wastrel> actually echo $LANG
[18:59] <xcyclist> root@delllap:~# env | grep LANG LANG=en_us.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=es:en root@delllap:~#
[19:00] <nicomachus> xcyclist: oof. why are you root?
[19:00] <marty__> by chance is anyone familar with lubuntu or pups?
[19:00] <wastrel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[19:01] <xcyclist> $ env | grep LANG LANG=en_US.UTF-8 GDM_LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[19:01] <nicomachus> marty__: this is ubuntu support, so yes lots of people here are familiar with lubuntu. what's your issue? details please.
[19:03] <marty__> im currently running ubuntu 16.04 on my main computer, im looking to get another computer going and it has limited ram, im looking for the best version of a ubuntu series for the best plug and play network options
[19:03] <marty__> i hate dealing with drivers
[19:04] <nicomachus> marty__: all ubuntu derivatives should have the same drivers, as far as I know.
[19:04] <ioria> marty__, that depends on your networks device, i guess
[19:04] <marty__> ? ioria
[19:04] <nicomachus> so staying up to date (16.04 LTS) should be the safest bet. but I'm not sure that any derivative is going to give you different behavior. ioria is right, though, that network devices are usually the biggest problem.
[19:05] <nacc> xcyclist: 'es:en' seems like a wrong LANGUAGE setting?
[19:06] <Guma> Does any one know how to source .bashrc when creating .desktop file? I did try to modify Exec=bash -c -i  /opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator. But when I try to run it I get error in syslog stating "/opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator: /opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator: cannot execute binary file"
[19:07] <Guma> If I remove bash -i -c then it works but env variables are not picked up
[19:07] <Guma> from .bashrc
[19:07] <marty__> so what version is recomended for a celeron processor and about 700 mb ram?
[19:07] <xcyclist> I think I got that because my wife and I both speak Spanish and English.
[19:07] <xcyclist> But it would have been a setting from the GUI.
[19:07] <marty__> or a place i can find such information
[19:07] <ioria> marty__,  lubuntu is great for low ram, but it does not help you if your devices are not supported
[19:08] <nacc> xcyclist: interesting, i've not seen the colon-separated version, is that documented anywhere?
[19:09] <xcyclist> I am sorry I do not know.  I wish I had not done it.  I need to get work done and do not with to mess with locale at all.
[19:10] <marty__> im using a usb antenna and it works fine for 16.04, and the hard ware for networking between the two computers is the same, so if i were to go with like 14.04 tahr, it should work?
[19:10] <nacc> xcyclist: can you pastebin the command and full error you get?
[19:10] <nacc> !pastebin | xcyclist
[19:10] <xcyclist> Perhaps I should initialize it somehow and reboot.  I don't want to meowss with this right now
[19:11] <ioria> marty__, 16.04 kernel is newer that 3.13 trusty kern ... so, again, depends on your hw
[19:12] <xcyclist> Ok...
[19:12] <ioria> marty__, you can easily test it from Livecd
[19:12] <cmecca-> hey all quick question, for 14.04; if /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 20auto-upgrades or 10periodic are missing, will /etc/cron.daily/apt (or any other automated apt process) assume those values as 1 by default, or 0..
[19:12] <nacc> marty__: but if you use the 14.04.5 hwe kernel, you get the same as on 16.04.0/1 (kernel and X at least) -- but i'm not sure why, if you have a working 16.04 you're considering 14.04?
[19:14] <ioria> xcyclist, have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:14] <xcyclist> Well, hello, now that I've messed with it the problem has gone away.
[19:14] <xcyclist> Well, hello, now that I've messed with it the problem has gone away.
[19:14] <xcyclist> Sorry guys
[19:14] <xcyclist> I'll bring it back here immediately if I see it again.  I hope not.
[19:16] <marty__> im making a secondary computer nacc
[19:16] <marty__> im just looking for the most compatabilty
[19:17] <marty__> i dont want to have to keep switching files from one to the next i just want the same networking on the new one that i have on the 16.04
[19:17] <ioria> marty__,  so, why trusty ? amd issue ?
[19:18] <marty__> thats what im asking ioria, is trusty a good idea or is another recomeded?
[19:18] <marty__> im not familar with the series
[19:19] <laceylaney> marty__: just give lubuntu a try. You might be surprised at what it can do.
[19:21] <ioria> marty__,  we should know the pc specs ... but if you're good with xenial, stay with xenial
[19:21] <minimec> marty__: I would go with lubuntu 16.04 lts. May consider zram or zswap as addition.
[19:24] <marty__> i cant support any version of lubuntu 16,
[19:24] <marty__> whats right under that?
[19:24] <xcyclist> I just posted this to python group too,but it may be appropriate here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283025/
[19:25] <ioria> marty__,  i lost you
[19:26] <marty__> im so confused about this all
[19:26] <minimec> marty__: I don't understand. Oh.. Do you need a 'pae' kernel? In this case, start with 14.04 and then upgrade to 16.04. That should be possible. But lubuntu 16.04 may even ship with a 'pae' kernel on the installation .iso.
[19:26] <marty__> what specs do you need ioria
[19:27] <ioria> marty__,  you can check your hw with lspci -k
[19:27] <xcyclist> Say, sorry to sound dumb, but is here a way to use- apt-cache search to just find those things that are installed, or not installed, exclusively?
[19:28] <ioria> xcyclist, nope
[19:28] <ioria> xcyclist,  you use apt-cache policy or dpkg -l
[19:28] <minimec> xcyclist: ' apt list | grep installed
[19:28] <marty__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283043/ ioria
[19:30] <xcyclist> Thank you.
[19:31] <yasma> hi
[19:31] <xcyclist> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[19:31] <S0bait> Hi I have a USB device plugged in and I can see it in /dev/myDevice
[19:32] <ioria> marty__,  are you kidding ?
[19:32] <S0bait> however, when I run this.. it says "File does not exist"
[19:32] <ppf> any idea how to stream chrome to another linux box?
[19:32] <xcyclist> For some reason I have a bunch of python3 stuff installed, even though I am a python2.7 installation.
[19:32] <S0bait> [ -f /dev/myDevice ] && echo "File exist" || echo "File does not exist"
[19:32] <ppf> esp. while video playback is running?
[19:32] <marty__> i honestly dont know explain it to me
[19:32] <S0bait> is it because its  avirtual device?
[19:32] <marty__> im sorry
[19:33] <ducasse> minimec: xcyclist -  'apt list --installed' also works
[19:33] <yasma> what gpe-shield?
[19:34] <S0bait> Also, when I use this to run a command: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65891/how-to-execute-a-shellscript-when-i-plug-in-a-usb-device will it stop when the USB device disconnects?
[19:34] <yasma> how can get that?
[19:34] <xcyclist> Yes, that appears to yiueld the same report.
[19:34] <nacc> xcyclist: python3 is fine and most stuff has been migrated to it, but python is still python2.7
[19:35] <yasma> what gpe-shield?
[19:35] <xcyclist> The default python install on this Ubuntu is apparently 2.7.
[19:35] <ducasse> yasma: sorry, what is your question?
[19:35] <xcyclist> so I took the default.
[19:35] <nacc> S0bait: dev nodes are not regular files
[19:35] <nacc> S0bait: maybe?
[19:35] <nacc> xyyes, that is always the case
[19:36] <nacc> xcyclist: yes, that is always the case
[19:36] <nacc> xcyclist: do you have an actual issue?
[19:36] <nacc> marty__: what are you finding confusing?
[19:36] <yasma> i serch in this page :https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gpe-shield/
[19:36] <xcyclist> Well, originally I was installing python stuff with apt.  Then I tried sudo pip and I got stuff mucked up.
[19:36] <xcyclist> So now the python folks say never ever use sudo pip
[19:37] <nacc> xcyclist: right, you don't need sudo for pip
[19:37] <xcyclist> I wonder which it was, the pip, the apt, or the sudo pip but I cannot for instance get a good pip install now.
[19:37] <nacc> xcyclist: and it's wrong to use sudo for it, anyways, as that will ust install it for the root user
[19:37] <xcyclist> I don't know how to get to a clean initial state for pip
[19:37] <yasma> and  ertered my address mail for link for download
[19:37] <xcyclist> So I think I may need to pip clean my root area
[19:38] <xcyclist> or sudo pip clean or some such thing.
[19:38] <ducasse> yasma: that is obsolete stuff, look at the releases on the left side
[19:38] <xcyclist> I hope I don't need to reinstall ubuntu.
[19:38] <yasma> but i can not download
[19:38] <nacc> yasma: i don't think apps.ubuntu.com is anything anymore
[19:38] <nacc> yasma: and if you're on ubuntu, i dont' know why you'd use it anyways
[19:38] <yasma> i have ubuntu 16.04
[19:39] <xcyclist> My intention is to follow these lessons on scientific programming in python.
[19:39] <ducasse> yasma: no, it was last available for 13.10
[19:39] <nacc> xcyclist: there is no pip clean, you'll hve to use pip list and then pip uninstall them
[19:39] <xcyclist> So, my outstanding question is:  Can I clean my ubuntu for using pip.
[19:39] <yasma> ok
[19:39] <yasma> thanks
[19:39] <xcyclist> Ok. ...
[19:40] <nacc> xcyclist: i don't know what you did exactly, 'sudo pip' isn't a command and don't know what you broke
[19:40] <nacc> xcyclist: *don't* do things as root (sudo) unless you know exactly what they do and how to undo them
[19:41] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283094/
[19:42] <nacc> xcyclist: and can you pastebin `locale` output
[19:42] <tgm4883> why are you logged in as root
[19:43] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283102/
[19:43] <xcyclist> tgm4883:  TO demonstrate the problem.
[19:43] <nacc> xcyclist: i have no idea how you broke locales so badly that `locale` emits errors
[19:43] <marty__> nacc im building a computer, i just want to know what operating system to put on it, ( aka : ubuntu 14,15? lubuntu ect ) >> said computer << has an old processor, ( an intel celeron ) and very little ram ( about 740 mb ) i origonally download ubuntu 10.04, but when i came across a problem i was chewed out and told that i would not recieve help because 10 was no longer supported <<<<<<< what operating system am i
[19:43] <marty__> downloading to < said computer > so if issues or questions come up i can get help.
[19:44] <nacc> xcyclist: butg your default locale is buggy
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: ok, first off, only put supported releases on machines
[19:44] <xcyclist> Okay, so that sounds like I need to completely reinstall ubuntu.
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: 12.04 (although that is going to eol soon), 14.04 or 16.04 (these are the LTS releases)
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: i would say in your case, 14.04 or 16.04
[19:45] <marty__> thank you
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: i would not use ubuntu on that system, as it has too little ram to be a functional desktop, afaict
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: lubuntu may be worth trying from liveUSB
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: is there a reason you are choosing to build an obsolete computer that probably won't perform very well?
[19:46] <marty__> yes
[19:46] <nacc> xcyclist: are you on 16.04?
[19:46] <k11011011> Hi folks
[19:47] <k11011011> How to user from all groups in bash?
[19:47] <nacc> k11011011: i think you are missing a verb
[19:47] <k11011011> nacc: what do you mean?
[19:47] <marty__> nacc yes, it has the old floppy floppy disk drive and the disket drive, trying to get them transferd to a stable desktop
[19:47] <nacc> k11011011: "How to user"
[19:47] <k11011011> ah yea
[19:47] <k11011011> Remove*
[19:47] <marty__> sorry i have a bunch of games im trying to transfer to a stable desktop
[19:48] <nacc> marty__: huh? so you're building an old computer just to take files off of it?
[19:48] <marty__> nacc yes and its a gift afterwords for an old foggy that has never touched a computer
[19:49] <nacc> k11011011: deluser <user> <group>
[19:49] <k11011011> nacc: all groups
[19:50] <nacc> k11011011: do it in a loop over all groups the user is part of
[19:50] <nacc> k11011011: trivial bash loop
[19:50] <k11011011> OK
[19:50] <nacc> marty__: doesn't seem like such a kind gift :)
[19:50] <wildpenguin> is Gnome
[19:50] <minimec> k11011011: 'cat /etc/group | grep <user>' to list the groups, where <user> is in...
[19:50] <wildpenguin> is Gnome
[19:50] <nacc> marty__: but ok, i'm not sure it really makes sense to put ubuntu on it -- there might be better distributions for such a hardware limited system
[19:51] <nacc> marty__: lubuntu is worth trying, i suppose, but even then -- i think it will not be very fun to use
[19:51] <ivan_> hi
[19:51] <nacc> wildpenguin: do you have a question?
[19:51] <wildpenguin> is Gnome3 the most advance DE available now?
[19:51] <nacc> wildpenguin: define 'advance'? do you mean in the gnome family?
[19:51] <wildpenguin> may be
[19:52] <ppf> well it certainly has the highest number in all the gnomes!
[19:52] <wildpenguin> don't have any idea about the families here.
[19:52] <nacc> wildpenguin: why are you asking that question, then?
[19:52] <nacc> wildpenguin: what is your *actual* question
[19:53] <wildpenguin> I thought of trying that if that is more convenient and intuitive
[19:53] <wildpenguin> Using Mate and Lubuntu Desktop now.
[19:53] <marty__> nacc can you recommend a distribution? something that will support internet
[19:53] <xcyclist> I just got this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283147/
[19:53] <nacc> marty__: i am not sure
[19:54] <wildpenguin> how can I install the complet Gnome 3 desktop?
[19:54] <xcyclist> going through the manual procedure on this URL:
[19:54] <xcyclist> http://askubuntu.com/questions/748289/how-to-repair-ubuntu-installation-after-broken-dist-upgrade-without-losing-any-c
[19:54] <xcyclist> So it is still not fixed.
[19:54] <xcyclist> I was noticing this problem before I did anything with Python.
[19:55] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop gnome-shell
[19:55] <nacc> xcyclist: yes, something is wrong with your locales
[19:55] <marty__> unetbootin supports lubuntu right?
[19:55] <cmecca-> hey all quick question, for 14.04; if /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 20auto-upgrades or 10periodic are missing, will /etc/cron.daily/apt (or any other automated apt process) assume those values as 1 by default, or 0..
[19:55] <minimec> marty__: INstead of asking the same question a 100 times again. I think most of us here would recommend to try lubuntu 16.04 lts. See if it works. As you have the ubuntu base, hardware should be well supported. Other distributions will not really use less ram, as it is the GUI environment that takes most of the available RAM, not the underlaying base installation.
[19:56] <nacc> xcyclist: can you pastebin /etc/locale.gen?
[19:56] <wildpenguin> cmecca, will it create any problems if two other DE are already installed?
[19:56] <wildpenguin> could it slow down the system?
[19:56] <xcyclist> ok...
[19:56] <minimec> marty__: ONly possibility would be to take something like 'gentoo' and compile the whole software specially for your device, but that takes a lot of time.
[19:56] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: no i have multiple installed on my laptop -- just pay attention to the questions it asks, specifically when it asks you to select the login manager (lightdm (unity default) vs gdm, etc)
[19:57] <wildpenguin> ok.
[19:57] <xcyclist> root@delllap:~# wc -l /etc/locale.gen 486 /etc/locale.gen
[19:57] <marty__> minimec i repeat, the system will not support 16.04,  thanks tho
[19:57] <OerHeks> wildpenguin, try it yourself crazytux :-D
[19:57] <wildpenguin> that command above will install the complete desktop? nothing more needed?
[19:57] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: yep
[19:58] <minimec> marty__: Why will it not support 16.04? Because of 'pae'?
[19:58] <nacc> xcyclist: so? `pastebinit <  /etc/locale.gen`
[19:58] <wildpenguin> I don't want the system to become unstable after I try that. Can't reinstall Ubuntu.
[19:58] <S0bait> Hi
[19:58] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283165/
[19:58] <S0bait> I have a bunch of arduinos on my computer which i have symlinked using udev.
[19:59] <nacc> xcyclist: why did you cut the file up?
[19:59] <S0bait> I want to run a command which connects them to my ros when plugged in.. how do i go about doing that?
[19:59] <nacc> xcyclist: i can't help you if you don't provide the data
[19:59] <S0bait> I know udev has a RUN command but I am not sure, what would happen when its disconnected, would that stay running or would it stop
[20:00] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283169/
[20:00] <OerHeks> S0bait, "a bunch of arduinos on my computer" virtual??
[20:00] <xcyclist> Sorry man I'm just slow
[20:01] <S0bait> OerHeks: I have 5 arduinos connected to my machine, when they are connected I want to run rosserial command.
[20:01] <S0bait> OerHeks: Each of them starts a blocking process.
[20:02] <S0bait> OerHeks: Example command: rosrun rosserial_python serial_node.py /dev/itadard2 __name:=sonartest
[20:03] <xcyclist> nacc:  Does that show anything?
[20:03] <OerHeks> S0bait, 1st time i heard of rosserial, it is not in our repos
[20:04] <nacc> xcyclist: try running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` and then picking whichever locales you want and then specifying which default locale you want
[20:04] <S0bait> OerHeks: Its ROS www.ros.org
[20:04] <OerHeks> maybe more luck in arduino channel?
[20:04] <S0bait> it provides a bunch of script to make a virtual connection to arduino and provides extra libraries
[20:05] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:05] <S0bait> OerHeks: I think it doesnt matter waht command I am running though. I just want to know howdo I run a script when a usb is plugged in, and what happens to that spawned process when usb is taken off.
[20:05] <nacc> S0bait: RUN is for short-lived foreground processes
[20:05] <S0bait> So I am not asking an ROS specific question here.. just what is the behavior or udev RUN c
[20:05] <nacc> S0bait: `man udev`
[20:06] <marty__> minimec honestly i dont know i use usb as the boot medum and it just jumps straight to no bootable device or to the previous os
[20:06] <wildpenguin> what should be the default display manager? I am installing Gnome 3 DE.
[20:07] <OerHeks> S0bait, oke, something like this, except DRIVERS=="usb-storage" should be something that matches arduino?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/625243/how-to-execute-c-program-whenever-a-usb-flash-drive-is-inserted
[20:07] <xcyclist> I see why I picked all before.  It was the easiest choice.
[20:07] <wildpenguin> gdm 3 or lightdm?
[20:08] <wasutton3> so i've got an nfs server set up on arch, and im trying to configure an ubuntu client.
[20:08] <wasutton3> I'm trying to mount the nfs share on something owned by www-data:www-data, and it mounts properly.
[20:08] <wasutton3> however, its not writable, even by root
[20:09] <minimec> marty__: Ok. It might be, that your old computer does need a special kernel to boot. I you still have that installatioin medium, you can try to put a boot option. See here... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[20:09] <bekks> wasutton3: Did you share it readonly on the server?
[20:09] <minimec> marty__: Even though that page is for 'ubuntu', it will be the same for 'lubuntu'.
[20:09] <wasutton3> bekks, not that im aware of
[20:09] <wasutton3> this is the fstab line: /media/Array/Zoneminder/images  /srv/nfs/zm-images      none    bind    0       0
[20:10] <bekks> wasutton3: So show us your specific line of /etc/exports on the server please.
[20:10] <wildpenguin> Please can anybody help me?
[20:10] <k11011011> # 6) Remove the user from all groups  13 IFS=' ' groups=($(id -Gn $username))  14 unset IFS  15 printf "%s\n" "${groups[@]}"  16 for e in "${groups[@]}"  17 do  18         :  19         # deluser $username $e  20 done
[20:10] <k11011011> :D
[20:10] <wasutton3> here: /srv/nfs/zm-images	10.0.0.0/8(rw,no_subtree_check,nohide)
[20:10] <k11011011> Yeah, yeah I know about pastebin
[20:10] <bekks> wasutton3: And which permissions are set on that /srv/nfs/zm-images path?
[20:11] <xcyclist> Done.  I got this error at theend:  *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("es:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US). Disabling it.
[20:11] <bekks> xcyclist: Thats a warning, not an error.
[20:11] <wildpenguin>  what should be the default display manager? I am installing Gnome 3 DE.
[20:11] <nacc> k11011011: ... it's not funny, it's noise. If you know, use it :)
[20:11] <xcyclist> I still get the same error on my reinstall.
[20:12] <wildpenguin> gdm 3 or lightdm?
[20:12] <nacc> wildpenguin: whatever you choose, if you ahve multiple desktop environemnts
[20:12] <wildpenguin> ok
[20:12] <nacc> wildpenguin: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm` shoudl allow you to choose
[20:12] <wasutton3> bekks, 755 on /srv on /srv/nfs
[20:12] <dieterd> wasutton3: For me once, there was no way for writeable, because file system needed to repair.
[20:12] <wildpenguin> I have Mate and Lubuntu DE now. Want to install Gnome 3.
[20:12] <bekks> wasutton3: for root:root?
[20:12] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283226/
[20:12] <wasutton3> dieterd, nope this filesystem works. I've got an arch client with the same fstab working just fine
[20:12] <nacc> xcyclist: try unsetting LANGAUGE first (sudo LANGUAGE= apt reinstall....)
[20:12] <wasutton3> bekks, yes
[20:13] <bekks> wasutton3: So no one besides root is able to write stuff into that folder. And root is denied, du to the missing "no_root_squash" option.
[20:13] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:14] <wasutton3> bekks, but wouldn't those permissions only matter for /srv/nfs and /srv/nfs/zm-images ?
[20:14] <bekks> wasutton3: we are talking about /srv/nfs/zm-images only, so far. And no one besides root is allowed to create stuff in there.
[20:15] <wasutton3> right, so if i chmod 777 (bad practice) /srv/nfs/zm-images, it should work
[20:15] <xcyclist> That ,didn't help, but I logged out and logged back in and it worked.
[20:15] <marty__> minimec thank you thank you thankyou
[20:15] <minimec> marty__: So I guess it worked... ;)
[20:16] <k11011011> guys another question
[20:18] <marty__> sarcasm
[20:21] <abaday1> can someone help me translate smartctl -A /pathto/device ? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283234/ How does my harddrive look?
[20:23] <ivan_> how to use hexchat?
[20:23] <bekks> abaday1: It's about to die soon, I'd say.
[20:24] <OerHeks> ivan_,  tons of howto's https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-use-hexchat-ubuntu-16-04
[20:24] <abaday1> bekks: o lawd, which line is it that shows how sick my drive is?
[20:25] <OerHeks> ivan_, and detailed http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.html
[20:25] <bekks> abaday1: line 9 and 13.
[20:26] <xcyclist> so my pip install is now completely broken
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: ?
[20:26] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/PrTgiyOmYShljabbt9WH/
[20:26] <abaday1> bekks: thank you, is it the large number in the end that show?
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: do you understand what pip is? your pip install is probably fine, but the packages you installed with pip may be an issue
[20:26] <bekks> abaday1: yes
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: where did you get pip from?
[20:27] <abaday1> bekks: thanks for the help
[20:27] <xcyclist> I apt-get installed it, but then I used pip itself to update it.
[20:27] <Sna4x81> Tried to update from nvidia-331 to nvidia-375, and now I can't log in (I get the login screen, but when I log in it just flashes and brings me back to the login screen).  I've tried purging nvidia* and reinstalling 375, purging and reinstalling 331... no luck.  I've seen a number of threads online with similar issues, but they are mostly related to optimus, which I don't have on this box.  TIA.
[20:28] <jaelae> hey all. im looking to setup some vmware ubuntu desktops for users. what is the recommended way to allow a connection? something similar to windows RDP but not as bandwidth of a hogg is VNC
[20:28] <ivan_> @ivan
[20:30] <xcyclist> I just removed it and re-installed it with apt and it us still broken.  Is there a way to remove it and replace it repaired?
[20:30] <xcyclist> Man this is a time sink!
[20:31] <truelai> did you purge?
[20:31] <truelai> xcyclist: apt get remove --purge
[20:31] <truelai> apt-get
[20:33] <OerHeks> xcyclist, maybe remove ~/.cache/pip ??
[20:33] <xcyclist> I did try that once....trying again...
[20:34] <xcyclist> Nope.  Same end.
[20:34] <truelai> http://askubuntu.com/questions/231562/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-purge-and-apt-get-remove
[20:35] <xcyclist> Is there a way to go back to previous pip?
[20:35] <xcyclist> Is there ato ay to clean out pip from the system entirely and start over?
[20:36] <xcyclist> Cripes, If I had reinstalled ubuntu two hours ago I'd be done by now.
[20:36] <Ben64> xcyclist: whats the issue
[20:36] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/PrTgiyOmYShljabbt9WH/
[20:36] <Ben64> check line 27
[20:37] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/oDMYhOGbjWDrg55TEWzV/
[20:37] <Ben64> ok, check line 26
[20:39] <xcyclist>  Okay, there is no dist-packages file.
[20:39] <manu_> hello
[20:39] <Ben64> xcyclist: are you sure, that's not what the error says
[20:39] <xcyclist> It appears I need to clear and reinstall pip, but I do not know how.
[20:39] <xcyclist> Okay, just abit...
[20:40] <xcyclist> $ ls -al /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages ls: cannot access '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages': No such file or directory
[20:41] <xcyclist> I copied directly from the error message.
[20:41] <Ben64> anyway, try sudo pip install
[20:41] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:41] <Ben64> the no permissions error means you don't have permissions
[20:42] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283427/
[20:42] <Ben64> well you have to tell it what to install
[20:43] <xcyclist> Yes, that works, with the warning, but I have been told to NOT do it that way.
[20:43] <xcyclist> So what to do?
[20:44] <Ben64> i'd do it that way
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: i have no idea what you did wrong; on my system, you don't need sudo
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: and it works fine
[20:44] <xcyclist> Yes, but what Ilikely did was install one time with sudo.
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: and you really shouldn't use sudo with pip, it will lead to relatively serious breakage eventually
[20:44] <xcyclist> Once I did that, I fear this began.
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: yes and as i told you
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: you need to pip list and pip uninstall them all with sudo
[20:44] <xcyclist> So how to fix it.  Reinstall ubuntu?
[20:45] <xcyclist> I tried that, and it did not work.
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: the problem is you 're no longer using the system pip
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: which means you are not using ubuntu's pip and we can't really help you
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: if you're going to `apt-get install python-pip` don't `pip install pip`
[20:46] <nacc> xcyclist: which is what it looks like you've done
[20:46] <nacc> xcyclist: as the pip backtrace should be all in /usr/lib/python2.7 if using the ubuntu pip
[20:47] <dieterd> I run xubuntu 16.04 i386 with qemu on an arm-machine. But apt-get upgrade fails because of an ldconfig error.
[20:48] <dieterd> With xubuntu 10.04 till 14.04 all is ok.
[20:50] <xcyclist> Sorry, I tried again and got some success, but still have many ibstals
[20:50] <xcyclist> Not uninstalling wstool at /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages, outside environment /usr
[20:50] <xcyclist> is the error I get a lot
[20:52] <xcyclist> So now I am suffering from his:  bash: /home/xenocampanoli/.local/bin/pip: No such file or directory
[20:52] <xcyclist> apt-get remove and install of python-pip does not fix it.
[20:53] <bekks> xcyclist: Remove that path from your environment variable.
[20:53] <bekks> xcyclist: apt-get will never touch files inside your home.
[20:54] <OerHeks> all this because you used sudo + pip,..
[20:55] <xcyclist> There is no such environment variable.
[20:56] <bekks> xcyclist: there is a variable called PATH.
[20:56] <xcyclist> Not on root. nt Not on my user accou
[20:56] <bekks> xcyclist: on every account.
[20:58] <xcyclist> It is not anywhere.  Riebooting to see if it goes .  away.  I hope I can come back.
[20:58] <bekks> xcyclist: rebooting to not help nor fix issues, usually. This aint Windows.
[20:59] <bekks> xcyclist: Instead, please pastebin the output of "env".
[21:04] <xcyclist> Thanks guys. I am back.  It appears rebootig may have fixed some things.
[21:04] <bekks> xcyclist: Which things are fixed by reboot?
[21:05] <xcyclist> I do not get that .local path problem now.
[21:05] <xcyclist> My mouse still moves randomely though.
[21:05] <xcyclist> Also I still get:  You are using pip version 8.1.1, however version 9.0.1 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command.
[21:05] <xcyclist> Should I do this upgrade?
[21:05] <xcyclist> It says it every time I use pip.
[21:05] <bekks> xcyclist: just dont use sudo pip again.
[21:06] <xcyclist> I promise I never will as long as the earth turns.
[21:07] <xcyclist> Meanwhile, it sounds like you are not against pip upgrade as above, even though the original was installed using apt?
[21:07] <boriseto> I've installed the HWE stack and since then I have both 4.4 and 4.8 kernels installed (both update together as well). I thought that only the active one was to remain. Why is that?
[21:07] <blackflow> xcyclist: don't do that. pip should be used only inside a virtualenv
[21:07] <bekks> boriseto: kernels arent uninstalled automagically.
[21:08] <LuC|FeR> when i try to apt-get install apache2 i got this : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283595/
[21:08] <xcyclist> I am completely at a loss to know how a sudo apt-get install python-pip can be properly be upgraded by a pip install --upgrade pip from my non-root user.
[21:08] <boriseto> bekks: so both will always stay side by side? I mean I usually autoremove whatever is extra and want to keep my system clean. It's not that it takes too much space but made me wonder...
[21:09] <bekks> LuC|FeR: can you please pastebin that again, running LANG=C sudo apt-get install apache2 ?
[21:09] <xcyclist> What is virtualenv?
[21:09] <bekks> boriseto: Yes. In case you want to purge old kernels, install the bikeshed package and run purge-old-kernels
[21:09] <blackflow> xcyclist: a "chroot2 like path/environment designed by and for python
[21:09] <boriseto> bekks: got it. It's okay though. Thanks for the info
[21:09] <blackflow> xcyclist:  chroot
[21:10] <LuC|FeR> bekks : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283609/
[21:10] <xcyclist> Ok.  I see it.
[21:10] <bekks> LuC|FeR: which Ubuntu is that?
[21:11] <blackflow> xcyclist: it's used to isolate python applications/modules/environments from each other
[21:11] <LuC|FeR> bekks  4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:11] <bekks> LuC|FeR: thats a kernel version, not your Ubuntu version.
[21:11] <LuC|FeR> how can i get the ubuntu version
[21:11] <bekks> LuC|FeR: lsb_release -a
[21:11] <nacc> boriseto: yeah, you ahve to remove the 16.04.1 metapackage
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Release:        16.04
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Codename:       xenial
[21:12] <nacc> LuC|FeR: that is rather odd -- can you pastebin `LANG=C sudo apt update` and the exact command you ran?
[21:12] <nacc> !info apache2 xenial
[21:13] <xcyclist> Okay, I installed virtualenv
[21:13] <xcyclist> I wish I could install a fix for my random mouse wanringde
[21:13] <boriseto> nacc: but nothing will go wrong if I just leave it (in theory) right? :)
[21:14] <nacc> boriseto: right, just make sure you use the right kernel (but both will keep updated) as you see fit
[21:14] <xcyclist> It appears to mostly affect me in web applications.
[21:14] <xcyclist> Much less so in the terminal.
[21:14] <LuC|FeR> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283624/
[21:14] <xcyclist> FB has it really bad.
[21:14] <pankaj_> i want some help to change the setup of login screen in ubuntu ......with face detection lock system which is i am creating...................................can anyone help me
[21:15] <nacc> LuC|FeR: `apt policy apache2`
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> apt policy apache2
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> apache2:
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>   Installé : (aucun)
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>   Candidat : (aucun)
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>  Table de version :
[21:16] <nacc> LuC|FeR: use a pastebin please
[21:16] <nacc> LuC|FeR: was that the whole output?
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> nacc just a 3 lines
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> yes
[21:17] <bekks> I'd change the mirror and run apt update again.
[21:17] <nacc> LuC|FeR: well, it's in the archive you're using: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/
[21:17] <LuC|FeR> so
[21:18] <nacc> and i see it in the package list from that mirror
[21:18] <nacc> LuC|FeR: did you manually muck with your package lists by any cahcne?
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> nacc what does it mean
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: did you edit anything under /var/lib/apt ?
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> yes nacc
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: sigh
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: why?
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: and don't do that.
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> nacc what i can do to backup it
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> :/
[21:20] <nacc> bekks: can you check my command?: `sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists; sudo apt update; apt policy apache2`
[21:20] <bekks> LuC|FeR: what did you edit in detail?
[21:20] <nacc> bekks: i think that shoudl regen the local lists, right?
[21:20] <bekks> nacc: Yes.
[21:20] <nacc> we might evan have a faq for this
[21:21] <joseph> Hi all - anyone have any experience using Citrix Receiver, in particular SSL error 4 ?
[21:23] <LuC|FeR> nacc still working with me boss ?
[21:24] <tfitts> I have a script that sets permissions on a printer port to be writable and then pipes the output from an mqtt client to the printer.  I've followed some directions to get the script to run on startup and it seems like it's running (I had it just write some text to a file) but the mqtt client either never opens or opens and then closes instead of staying open
[21:25] <tfitts> can you have a startup script leave something running like that if it isn't setup as a service
[21:25] <nacc> LuC|FeR: i think you can run the above command; but what did you edit in /var/lib/apt ?
[21:27] <bumbar_> which version of kernel ships with 16.10 / 17.04 ?
[21:28] <LuC|FeR> nacc i had a problem in installation of airtime which needs lot of packages : apache2 php5 postgresql and others, and when i tried to follow a tuto o figured that i'm in the wrong directory with the wrong user
[21:28] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial | tfitts
[21:28] <OerHeks> bumbar_, see the releasenotes
[21:28] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic yakkety | tfitts
[21:29] <LuC|FeR> nacc i tried to fixe the problem but i had to remove all the packages installed and do it form the beggining
[21:29] <OerHeks> bumbar_, but updates may give newer versions
[21:29] <kenrin> 17.04 is on 4.10
[21:29] <bumbar_> i've downloaded 17.04 and can't install wih ryzen cpu
[21:30] <bumbar_> just spits out "unexpected irq trap at vector 07", i've updated bios
[21:30] <LuC|FeR> nacc so when i was tring to remove everything i got problem in apt update
[21:31] <SATA24> Hey. I am somewhat inexperienced with Ubuntu linux, and I was wondering if it was possible to install it, or some version of it, onto a Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3.
[21:31] <LuC|FeR> so i try to fixe it with rm /var/lib/apt/lists*
[21:32] <LuC|FeR> nacc and after get a new source.list
[21:32] <LuC|FeR> nacc that was the whole story :)
[21:33] <kenrin> What arch is the pi zero 1.3 ?  it needs to be ARM v7
[21:34] <SATA24> It is, I think.
[21:35] <kenrin> I'm pretty sure it uses the same proc as the first one SATA24
[21:35] <kenrin> ARM cortex,  which doesn't work
[21:36] <SATA24> I thought there were ARM releases of Ubuntu?
[21:37] <SATA24> Ubuntu-Mate and Snappy Ubuntu core are both listed on the Raspberry Pi website as usable OSes.
[21:39] <SATA24> So, it looks like the Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3 uses the same chip as the original Raspberry Pi, which is ARMv6 based, not v7.
[21:39] <kenrin> yep
[21:40] <nacc> LuC|FeR: so it's fixed now? or not?
[21:40] <SATA24> Is there a branch/fork of Ubuntu out there that supports ARMv6?
[21:40] <LuC|FeR> i was waiting for your answer lol
[21:41] <LuC|FeR> nacc what i have to do ?!
[21:42] <kenrin> No SATA24,  you'd have to use a debian build
[21:42] <SATA24> Great. I have no experience with Debian.
[21:42] <kenrin> ubuntu is based on debian,  You might not even notice other than desktop
[21:43] <OerHeks> even ubuntu-core wants rasppi2 or 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[21:46] <IceB> on Ubuntu, when I type ufw command - how will I know if the command are executed from /usr/sbin/ufw or /usr/share/ufw ?
[21:47] <kenrin> check your $path,  it might be a symlink too
[21:47] <Mikelevel> IceB~ which ufw
[21:48] <IceB> thx
[21:49] <feneco> hi, my laptop turned off while running a make check, and after that I could not start X anymore, any ideas what I could do? I tried to purge and reinstall x but didn't work
[21:50] <Oderus> Hello everyone. Having issues with my Wifi, can't stay connected with a speed of upload over 20kb/s and cannot connect to a 5g network. I have started a thread in the forums containing all my information. If anyone could take a few minutes and see if theres anything they can think of. Thank you! Here's the forum link: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb1188
[21:53] <xcyclist> Gotta go.  Thanks for all the help.
[21:53] <minimec> feneco: I would switch to an console in case you have a black screen with <ctrl><alt>F1 , login then 'sudo journalctl -b' to get the logs from the current boot.
[21:55] <feneco> minimec: I can boot but I can't start X, even from another terminal
[21:56] <minimec> feneco: Well... That's why you might want to check the logs... You can also check 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | more', to get the log of the xserver.
[21:57] <feneco> hmmm
[21:57] <feneco> that helped minimec
[21:57] <feneco> the logs from journalctl were useful
[21:57] <feneco> seems gnome-shell was missing
[21:57] <feneco> reinstalled and now it's working fine
[21:57] <feneco> thank you very much
[21:57] <minimec> feneco: Cool... ;)
[21:59] <kenrin> Oderus:  Did you try the rtlwifi_new driver yet ?
[22:00] <Oderus> kenrin: I don't believe so!
[22:00] <OerHeks> !cookie | minimec
[22:02] <kenrin> https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
[22:03] <lerner> i have 298 flac files in 10 different directories, all named 'track 01' or 'track 37' I have the names of the tracks on a plain text file. Is there any way of recursively renaming the files with the names in the list?
[22:03] <Oderus> kenrin: should i just download that whole thing as a zip and then build or?
[22:04] <kenrin> git clone it,  then make make install
[22:04] <kenrin> modprobe -v rtl8821ae
[22:08] <Oderus> kenrin : it's giving me fatal: Unable to find remote helper for 'https'
[22:08] <minimec> lerner: You could do that with a scipt... Well... would take some time to write it. Like "For each <file> in <folder>, take Xth line in <tracklist> and 'mv <file> <Xth line>. You may ask that question in #bash here on freenode.
[22:10] <kenrin> What command are you using ?
[22:10] <kenrin> It needs curl-devel.  Which is...  libcurl4-openssl-dev on ubuntu?...
[22:14] <Oderus> kenrin: same error once it's installed. command im using is git clone https://github.com/lwfinger/
[22:15] <kenrin> try just "git clone http://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new.git"
[22:16] <kenrin> Not sure why your https is fubared,  works fine for me
[22:16] <kenrin> Or just download the zip if that fails ;P
[22:16] <Oderus> okay i will do that lol
[22:17] <lerner> i also want to configure my machine to get updates and upgrades from a proxy and not directly from the web. How do I that?
[22:19] <kenrin> lerner: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto/#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[22:20] <kisuke> whats the recomended way to set up a vNIC these days? adapting https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/create-virtual-network-adapters-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ jsut gives networking a seizure
[22:21] <antis1> hey guys, having trouble getting an old nvidia geforce 6200 graphics card to run with opengl (lubuntu 16.04 lts). system itself runs, but firefox, thunderbird, chromium etc. crash immediately. could anyone help with the nouveau driver?
[22:21] <kenrin> use "ip" package kisuke
[22:22] <kisuke> kenrin, thanks
[22:22] <kenrin> I don't know syntax,  but its something like "ip link add blah blah"
[22:23] <Oderus> kenrin: ok i've completed the tasks you mentioned. Now what? rebooot?
[22:25] <kenrin> Yeah easy way is to reboot.  there is some systemd service you can restart that I have no idea what name it is
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-304 xenial
[22:27] <Oderus> kenrin: thank you very much, i will reboot now.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> antis1: ^^ What driver is intalled ? Show in pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[22:28] <davido_> Is there a way to set Unity to allow virtual workspaces to be switched on a per-monitor basis rather than across all monitors simultaneously?
[22:28] <davido_> (the poor-man's workaround is to set individual windows to display on all workspaces)
[22:30] <blackflow> I spy with my little eye something beginning with X! xorg-server 1.19 in zesty-proposed! yay!
[22:30] <davido_> nice.
[22:30] <lerner> kenrin, if I edit /etc/environment I dont need to edit bashrc or apt, correct?
[22:31] <antis1> bashing-om, wait a sec…
[22:31] <minimec> davido_: Unity can't do that, I think, but the enlightenment windows manager does that by default. Needs a lot of initial configuration, but once your have your config, you get a cool desktop experience.
[22:32] <kenrin> If that doesn't break other things on your system,  sure
[22:32] <lerner> hehehe...
[22:33] <kenrin> I try to just edit /etc/skel to add .bashrc on user create instead of throwing things globally
[22:36] <antis1> bashing-om, cannot put in pastebin right now (fresh install on another machine and no network there right now). basically it says "Nouveau" driver by nvidia and product id is "NV44 [GeForce 6200]" - what i wonder is, it does work in the live-dvd, but not on hdd-install
[22:37] <blackbird1> Hi, I have a new graphic card, but the resolution on the screen is large. In display system parameters, the message "unknown display" appears
[22:37] <blackbird1> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/135594Slection709.png
[22:38] <antis1> bashing-om: oh, forgot -> version is "a1" 32 bit pci/agp bus on 66MHz frequency
[22:39] <Bashing-om> antis1: Nimber of thing s it "might" be . foremost that pops to mind ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' . Do "you" own and are grouped to these files, such that "you" are authorized to access the GUI ?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> number*
[22:41] <blackbird1> some commands: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24284155/
[22:41] <antis1> bashing-om: hm… maybe. should be everything right though -> it is a fresh install from DVD with no customizations taken place.
[22:42] <minimec> blackbird1: My guess is, that your screen doesn't give the correct information to your GPU, and therefore the xserver goes to a 'fallback' resolution. You can add the resolution of your monitor manually to the xserver. There is a nice tutorial here... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[22:43] <antis1> bashing-om: i checked the "install proprietary drivers" on install, maybe if i disable that, it might work… just an idea. will try that as i need to do a reinstally anyway.
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[22:47] <OerHeks> mode +r please
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[22:51] <kisuke> kenrin, wait, IP is only temp.
[22:52] <kisuke> I need this to happen every boot >.<
[22:53] <lerner> how do I check if I successfully added the proxy to bashrc?
[22:53] <blackbird1> minimec, I Change the cable to DVI, and it works
[22:53] <lerner> im downloading an apt update, but I dont know if with or without proxy
[22:54] <blackbird1> I dunno why
[22:54] <blackbird1> ?
[22:54] <minimec> blackbird1: Nice idea... ;)
[22:54] <blackbird1> It detects the screen
[22:54] <blackbird1> You gave me the hint ;)
[22:54] <blackbird1> thanks
[22:55] <minimec> blackbird1: No problem.
[22:55] <blackbird1> lerner, do you have a hosted site ?
[22:56] <lerner> no blackbird1
[22:58] <marty__> i cant think off the top of my head, what is it i type into the terminal to view my network cards?
[22:58] <minimec> marty__: ifconfig and iwconfig for wireless
[22:59] <marty__> thank you
[23:03] <marty__> minimec is that the same as wlan?
[23:04] <minimec> marty__: you mean? With 'iwconfig' you can configure the wifi (wlan) devices... See 'iwconfig --help'
[23:05] <minimec> marty__: But in these days it is better to use the 'network-manager'.
[23:06] <lerner> do changes in ~.bashrc take place on the fly or do I have to source ~/.bashrc for changes to take place?
[23:07] <kenrin> kisuke:  Sorry you didn't say permanent,  that is normal editing inside /etc/network/interfaces or using NetworkManager
[23:08] <kenrin> lerner: yes,  that or relogon
[23:09] <lerner> mmmmm....
[23:09] <Bashing-om> lerner: .bashrc runs after the GUI is started, will require source'n for a change to take effect .
[23:10] <EriC^^> lerner: opening a new terminal should source it for that terminal
[23:10] <lerner> if I download an update for ubuntu, but on iftop I see it is downloaded from canonical, then the proxy is not working, as I should see the address of the vpn and not canonical's IP , correct?
[23:15] <antis1> bashing-om, are you still there? geforce 6200 works, thanks!! this is awesome and my assumption was right -> disabling the proprietary drivers at installation time does the trick!! Linux is great… :)
[23:17] <Bashing-om> antis1: Great ! Linux is designed to be worked with :)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> antis1: Keep in mind that at the end of this year nVidia will drop support for your card : http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[23:26] <olalonde> what's a good remote GUI solution for ubuntu these days? tightvncserver?
[23:27] <olalonde> client is on MacOS
[23:27] <Tatou> I have a remote box with media files .. I want to mount it as a drive. Is this possible?
[23:27] <olalonde> Tatou: with nfs maybe?
[23:27] <Tatou> I want to use ssh/sftp/scp.. Just something secure.
[23:28] <antis1> that doesn't matter much -> first, this setup is more than 13 years old and struggles even on youtube videos in 360p, which doesn't come surprisingly. so, if it works for one or two more years, it can happily retire :)
[23:28] <kenrin> the fastest?  nomachine
[23:30] <Bashing-om> antis1: Give (L)ubuntu a whirl . you may be pleasanrly surprised : " It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware."
[23:30] <Bashing-om> pleasantly *
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Tatou: The easiest to setup IMHO is sshfs, understanding that especially if this is a publicly accessible ip then this machine *will* be attacked by bots and if you have any account with an insecure password your machine *will* be compromised.
[23:30] <Tatou> Jordan_U: The box is already out there on the internet
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Tatou: Does it already allow remote login via ssh?
[23:31] <Tatou> Jordan_U: It does! :)
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Tatou: Then you're done for server setup, just use sshfs on the client.
[23:32] <Tatou> Jordan_U: But I cannot install anything on the server
[23:33] <Tatou> Jordan_U: Holy hell! It just worked.. ssh://user@someserver.com:~/path..
[23:33] <lerner> im trying to chmod a directory: chmod ugo '/dir ec tory' <?
[23:33] <nacc> lerner: you didn't tell it to change the mode to anything
[23:34] <nacc> lerner: ugo and are all identifiers for which permission you want to modify
[23:37] <antis1> bashing-om: i use Lubuntu for some years now… in private and professional setups, also maintaining it for friends with different systems -> stable, lightweight and so it got me hooked. Has some "typical debian" "shortcomings", but nothing really to worry about…
[23:40] <Annoyed> Question about the software installer in 16.04 LTS.. the old version had an option to show technical software such as text irc clients, sshd and such. Was that removed?
[23:40] <Bashing-om> antis1: You do good work ! " "shortcomings",
[23:41] <Bashing-om>                 but nothing really to worry about…" ->> see the minimal install !
[23:41] <Didact69> ugh, I'm still confused about best practices of using iptables vs network manager...
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !minimal | antis1
[23:42] <blackflow> Didact69: there's no vs between the two, apples and oranges. the former is a packet filter the latter a network connection (interface set up) manager
[23:42] <antis1> bashing-om: thanx you :)
[23:43] <OerHeks> Annoyed, install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter with filter options
[23:43] <Didact69> blackflow: yet they both seem to be able to accomplish the same task, such as NAT
[23:44] <Bashing-om> antis1: My experience, no more short commings, but there is a learning curve !
[23:45] <blackflow> Didact69: not quite, only iptables can do that
[23:45] <antis1> ubottu: yeah, usually i put a "normal" setup on usb-stick or use the dvd setup, when not available (like today).
[23:45] <antis1> ubottu: :)
[23:45] <Didact69> so what is connection sharing in  nm-connection-editor ?
[23:48] <blackflow> Didact69: it may utilize lower level / iptables functions to establish nat between two networks
[23:49] <Annoyed> Thanks, OerHeks.
[23:49] <antis1> bashing-om: yes - only a lot of things need to match when you're in the professional world and the fight is still going on…
[23:57] <antis> bye for now and thanks for the help -> sleep is overdue xD