[00:02] <ouroumov> nicklas_, 1704 is still a way off being released
[00:02] <ouroumov> nicklas_, you should ask this on the forums
[00:03] <Menzador> nicklas_: The answer will be YES, when it's available for release officially in late April.
[00:04] <Menzador> All Ubuntu !flavours use the same upgrade path from either one interim release to the next, or from adjacent LTS versions (e.g., 12.04 to 14.04, 14.04 to 16.04)
[00:04] <Menzador> !upgrade
[00:08] <nicklas_> cool
[00:08] <nicklas_> and about the reposes? any idea?
[00:11] <Menzador> What about the repos?
[00:14] <nicklas_> also if youve added your own reposes, will they stay or get removed?
[00:14] <nicklas_> if they stay, will they change to new release automatically?
[00:14] <nicklas_> or do you need to change release?
[00:14] <nicklas_> if they dont stay, i want to copy the apt folder before upgrading
[00:17] <Menzador> Oh, PPAs? PPAs will stay, but will be disabled on upgrade. If you need those PPAs back, once the install is complete and you reboot, you simply uncomment whatever line starts with 'deb ...' in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/$PPA_NAME.list
[00:17] <Menzador> (of course, said PPAs are disabled because there's usually no package for the new distribution release in them)
[00:18] <nicklas_> how do you mean? dont i just change release codename?
[00:18] <Menzador> nicklas_: Changing the release code name? What do you mean by that?
[00:19] <nicklas_> like this release is yakkety right?
[00:19] <nicklas_> i change from yakkety to the 17.04 codename
[00:19] <Menzador> nicklas_: You don't have to do that manually, that will be taken care of during the release upgrade itself.
[00:20] <nicklas_> cool. even on the ppa:s that has been manually added?
[00:20] <nicklas_> i have used linux for long now
[00:21] <nicklas_> and ubuntu many times
[00:21] <nicklas_> but ive never upgraded, so no idea how it works
[00:21] <Menzador> nicklas_: Yes, but like I said, (1) the PPAs will be disabled on the upgrade, and (2) if they didn't previously contain "yakkety" in their name, they may need to be manually updated.
[00:21] <nicklas_> thats one of the main reasons ive been on rolling dists mostly, the annoyance of needing ppas
[00:21] <Menzador> Which reminds me, I have code to push myself
[00:22] <nicklas_> ive been using sabayon, arch, gentoo, manjaro
[00:22] <nicklas_> but the rolling dists have problems with steam
[00:22] <nicklas_> so switched back to ubuntu, to avoid those problems
[00:23] <Menzador> nicklas_: *I* could've helped with that. I suppose you got libGL errors?
[00:25] <nicklas_> there has been issues many times with manjaro (arch based) with steam, so finally got fed up with it
[00:26] <nicklas_> so dont even know why it wouldnt start the last time
[00:26] <nicklas_> fixed it many times, didnt wanna fix it again
[00:26] <nicklas_> so i switched to the dist that they develop steam for mainly
[01:08] <dmiller309> Manjaro has 2 options when running Steam: with the native libs and with the bundled libs.
[01:08] <dmiller309> For me, it didn't run with the native libs, but it did run with the bundled libs.
[01:49] <flavio> Flavio
[01:49] <flavio> Hola! tengo un problema con ubuntu
[01:49] <Guest14073> se me bloquea la pantalla cuando se suspende
[01:49] <Guest14073> alguien sabe la solución ?
[01:50] <Guest14073> ...
[01:51] <Guest14073> hello !
[02:10] <yoga-s1> Hello
[04:09] <imamate> Hi all, first time using irc!
[04:12] <imamate> I'm interesting in helping out with testing Ubuntu-Mate 17.04 for Raspberry Pi.  Anybody know where to get a download?
[04:43] <nomic> imamate https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[04:43] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[04:44] <nomic>  Ubuntu MATE 17.04 Beta 2
[04:44] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[05:44] <imamate> I'm not seeing it at https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ or https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/   The first link only has 16.04.2 and the second link has 17.04, but only in i386 or amd64. I'd like 17.04 armhf in an xz image.
[05:46] <imamate> Going to sleep now, but will leave my IRC open and check back in the morning.  Anyone that could direct me to a build would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
[06:16] <Guest66719> hi, i'm new here
[09:25] <Daishun> hello
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[11:33] <sanic> Fing log keeping irc rooms
[12:32] <Daishun> Hello. Can anyone help me fix my waste basket. I opened caja as root from the terminal and tried to delete a file. It didn't go to the wastebasket but is now gone anyway. The problem is that I can no longer send anything to the waste basket but only delete directly. I tried purging caja and using nemo instead but the result is the same.
[12:49] <swright> Daishun: can you check in preferences of caja under the behavior tab and see if the option at the bottom is selected to "include a delete command that bypasses the trash"  Not sure if the same preferences exits in nemo or not.
[20:20] <mate|88264> hello, i changed the /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf file and restart, but then i'm stuck at the booting screen, no more login... what can i do?
[20:20] <Akuli> press ctrl+alt+f1 and log in there, does that work?
[20:21] <mate|88264> added greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter autologin-user=srackham
[20:21] <mate|88264> trying
[20:22] <mate|88264> no, no response... anyway to boot into emergency mode and let me del that line...
[20:22] <Akuli> no response?
[20:22] <mate|88264> only flashing dot...
[20:23] <Akuli> that should work basically always in terms of lightdm issues
[20:23] <Akuli> try ctrl+alt+f2
[20:23] <Akuli> no need to reboot
[20:23] <Akuli> sometimes ubuntu seems to require going back and forth a bit for some reason
[20:23] <mate|88264> f2 makes the screen black out, still flashing dots
[20:23] <Akuli> try f1 now :D
[20:24] <Akuli> if you're not getting anywhere there are many ways to boot without lightdm stuff
[20:24] <mate|88264> :( no luck
[20:24] <Akuli> ok
[20:24] <mate|88264> i tried f1, f2, f3 :o
[20:24] <Akuli> ok
[20:24] <Akuli> in the past i have told grub to use bash as init, and it actually works pretty well for these things
[20:25] <Akuli> there's probably a better way to boot without lightdm though
[20:26] <mate|88264> yeah, i want to set it up without cable, but i figured it needed login first, so, finding way to by pass the login, but then now, stucked.
[20:27] <Akuli> set it up without cable? is this a server?
[20:27] <mate|88264> i repower the machine, try ctrl alt f1, f2 again, but still no luck
[20:27] <Akuli> ok
[20:28] <Akuli> do you get a menu that lets you choose an operating system when you start it?
[20:28] <mate|88264> no, it's on raspberry pi 3b
[20:28] <mate|88264> the left shift doesnt work
[20:28] <Akuli> hmm :(
[20:29] <mate|88264> maybe i can mount the sdcard in windows?
[20:29] <Akuli> just plug the sd card in a computer and edit the lightdm config with that?
[20:29] <Akuli> do you have an ubuntu usb stick for a pc?
[20:29] <Akuli> really handy to keep around
[20:29] <mate|88264> windows can see the filesystem?
[20:29] <Akuli> i guess no, but you can try
[20:29] <Akuli> actually i'm pretty sure it doesn't
[20:30] <mate|88264> trying
[20:30] <mate|88264> nope
[20:31] <Akuli> i would just create a ubuntu mate usb stick
[20:31] <Akuli> you'll find it handy in many other cases too :)
[20:39] <mate|88264> u mean, by using another UM system on a usb stick to read the sdcard filesystem?
[21:31] <mate|88264> yup, using another sdcard to read the USB is the ideal solution. thanks!
[22:04] <duanew> Hi there, how do I change the computer name without re-installing the system?
[22:04] <duanew> preferably without restarting as well.
[22:05] <ouroumov> Without restarting is not possible I think
[22:05] <duanew> on standard ubuntu it is...but the terminal command to open the files necessary I can't get to work on MATE\
[22:06] <duanew> *ignore the \
[22:06] <ouroumov> Hm yeah I was wrong apparently
[22:06] <ouroumov> https://askubuntu.com/questions/87665/how-do-i-change-the-hostname-without-a-restart
[22:06] <ouroumov> and duanew, it's the same procedure as for standard ubuntu, whatever that is
[22:07] <ouroumov> except yeah, s/gedit/pluma
[22:07] <ouroumov> I'd also recommend using gksudo pluma instead of sudo -H
[22:09] <olalonde> does ubuntu mate have a software center?
[22:09] <duanew> yes
[22:09] <duanew> I've got nano open now
[22:09] <olalonde> how do I install it?
[22:09] <ouroumov> olalonde, not as such, but you can install one from the boutique
[22:10] <ouroumov> second icon on the right, I believe
[22:10] <olalonde> ouroumov: boutique? I actually installed mate on top of ubuntu server so I think I'm missing a few things
[22:10] <ouroumov> oh
[22:10] <ouroumov> olalonde, install ubuntu-mate-welcome
[22:17] <olalonde> ouroumov_: thanks
[22:23] <olalonde> no search interface :(
[22:23] <olalonde> Also, in themes I'm getting "this does not look as intended.... ambiant-MATE is not installed"
[22:26] <olalonde> apt install ubuntu-mate-themes fixed it
[23:10] <mate|88264> i got the error fixed, but now, how can I disable to login screen? I disable it in control center > users and groups but i still see the greeting screen on boot and I need one more click to login. can I disable the greeting window?
[23:32] <mate|88264> I've made it work by adding autologin-user in /etc/lightdm rather than /usr/share/
[23:32] <mate|88264> thx, have a good day