[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:47] <KnightPh0ne> morning
[15:36] <penguin42> Three's 'wunto' app logo is very confusing - the logo is interestingly curved and reminds me of hte early Ubuntu
[17:35] <marshmn> OT: anyone have a recommendation for ADSL router?
[17:35] <marshmn> mine seems to be playing up these days so I think it's time for a change...
[18:34] <daftykins> marshmn: you really still on ADSL? not VDSL etc
[18:35] <penguin421> daftykins: It's not available everywhere
[18:35] <daftykins> i know.
[18:35] <penguin421> daftykins: I can get ADSL here or cable but no vdsl
[18:36] <daftykins> reason i ask is it wouldn't be worth buying the former if there's even a chance of change in the future
[18:37] <penguin421> daftykins: well if you actually want some bits you may as well buy something to get you some bits
[18:39] <daftykins> i don't get what you're saying, you can either buy fixed ADSL only cheap devices or ones capable of both now, so i say make sure it's capable of both :)
[18:39] <marshmn> I'm on ADSL right now
[18:39] <daftykins> nothing else in your area?
[18:39] <marshmn> I could probably get VDSL
[18:39] <marshmn> I've not looked into it
[18:39] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt to just check before buying something
[18:39] <marshmn> maybe
[18:39] <penguin421> daftykins: I know people in areas where the VDSL is so bad it's not much better than ADSL
[18:40] <daftykins> do you rely solely on the router for the whole house too, or do you have any cabled infrastructure or other access points?
[18:40] <daftykins> penguin421: well it solely depends on line length, i still think it's better to have a device capable of both - i don't think you're really adding anything to this topic
[18:40] <marshmn> I only have a small flat, so it's not really much of a problem for things like that
[18:40] <daftykins> ah right, single device only then would probably do
[18:40] <marshmn> yes
[18:41] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Connections-UK-Archer-VR400/dp/B01LFGTEI6/
[18:41] <daftykins> this one would probably be cheap and cheerful enough
[18:41] <daftykins> i've put in the N600 only variant previously for a rented out house, supports both xDSL technologies too
[18:42] <penguin421> daftykins: It's not just line length, it's also how bad the line is - like whether it's some second rate twisted piece of corroding alumnium through a swamp with 200 other lines cuddling up to it over an arcing electrical connection and a squirrel
[18:42] <marshmn> daftykins: OK, thanks
[18:42] <daftykins> penguin421: yes my whole island uses solely it and i resolve the issues myself, please stop with the stating the obvious
[18:43] <penguin421> daftykins: OK, it's just I know a few friends who theoretically should be able to get great VDSL and have a disaster of a connection
[18:43] <daftykins> *nod* i'm sure there are service checkers over there to work out how far you are from your exchange, and local knowledge to know if you're in one of the nasty copper coated aluminium or worse spots
[18:44] <diddledan> daftykins: get BT broadband because they provide their best ever wireless conenction when you get their fixed-line.
[18:44]  * diddledan mumbles about stupid adverts
[18:44] <daftykins> ;)
[18:44] <daftykins> thankfully no BT down here
[18:44] <penguin421> diddledan: Have you tried it dangling out of a helicopter?
[18:45] <penguin421> daftykins: yeh you see that's your advantage
[18:45] <diddledan> and the one I saw tonight which gets stupid points is "good entertainment requires amazing wifi. virgin fibre broadband."
[18:45]  * penguin421 still moans it's not fibre
[18:46] <diddledan> yeah, there's the whole coax is not fibre too, but fixed line has no effect on the quality of my wifi
[18:46] <daftykins> heh yeah, also they all seem to toss around 'MB' in their literature
[18:46] <penguin421> nod
[18:47] <diddledan> daftykins: 100MegaBytes per Second?!
[18:47] <diddledan> :-o
[18:48] <daftykins> weird quirk i've identified with the xbox one bluray player app, it dims the screen during playback of one disc of a TV series after ~12 minutes, but doesn't do it to a movie title
[18:49] <daftykins> brb
[18:52] <marshmn> the main issue I'm having with my current router is that it seems to keep randomly switching into "AP isolation" mode and not letting any WiFi clients talk to each other even though they can all connect out
[18:52] <marshmn> what fun.
[19:00]  * penguin421 really likes using wires
[19:07] <daftykins> marshmn: that used to be a specific option mmm, does it actually have one and toggle it - or does the behaviour just change?
[19:07] <marshmn> there is an option - it just doesn't seem to do much
[19:08] <marshmn> or rather, it works ok for a while after a reboot...
[19:08] <marshmn> and then at some point stops letting things talk to each other
[19:08] <marshmn> the option remains in its 'disabled' state
[19:09] <daftykins> have you gone as far as a full factory reset? if so, sounds like game over time
[19:18] <marshmn> daftykins: yeah, been there and tried that
[19:18] <daftykins> yep sounds like a flaky piece o' kit then :>
[19:18] <daftykins> it's annoying how subtly they go wrong
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> that's why hammers were invented... :-)
[21:33] <m0nkey_> daftykins is bothering Louis again
[21:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:33] <daftykins> and he copped out! he's just staying sick instead of fixing things! ;)
[21:34] <daftykins> i dunno why he persists with these GPU replacements, he doesn't even like them himself XD
[21:34] <m0nkey_> it pays the bills
[21:34] <m0nkey_> Now, do I want to buy a 1TB SSD?
[21:35] <daftykins> nah he has refused to do them for the last x number of years because it doesn't work, he only started recently because his pal said there was a good set of chips to buy that work - but they don't :D
[21:35] <daftykins> err for what?
[21:35] <m0nkey_> My computer. I'm low on space
[21:35] <daftykins> best combo is really still SSD for OS and mechanical for data, if it's a machine that can take one of each
[21:36] <m0nkey_> I have spinning disks in my NAS
[21:36] <m0nkey_> But it's not fast enough for what I want
[21:36] <daftykins> or add a second SSD for games
[21:36] <m0nkey_> The second SSD is for my Steam library
[21:36] <daftykins> ja same, well plus the other game platforms
[21:37] <daftykins> i still keep a local spinner for a copy of my music collection as well as my file server
[21:37] <m0nkey_> I never bought a spinning disk for this PC :)
[21:37] <m0nkey_> I thought 500GB would be enough
[21:37] <daftykins> so what are you running out on, the games one? i've filled my 512GB games SSD pretty easily
[21:38] <m0nkey_> I have a 500GB used as my single drive in my PC
[21:38] <m0nkey_> But most of that 500GB is Steam
[21:38] <m0nkey_> I'd say a good 80% :)
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> better cooling to condense the data? :-P
[21:38] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:39] <daftykins> yeah you want to separate those roles :P
[21:39] <m0nkey_> $350 is a lot to swallow for a SSD! lol
[21:41] <daftykins> well you're trying to put it all on one drive, which is ridiculous
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> price is coming down though, so there's that...
[21:42] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:42] <m0nkey_> This will be a second SSD
[21:42] <daftykins> right but it would've been better to have 2+ already :>
[21:43] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:43] <daftykins> i have my OS on M.2 and the games on a spare old SATA SSD
[21:43] <daftykins> as in, M.2 PCIe SSD
[21:45] <m0nkey_> sold
[21:46] <m0nkey_> I'm considering this purchase as payback for the wife going to Cuba this week
[21:46] <daftykins> :O and you didn't even get asked to carry the bags?
[21:47] <m0nkey_> No, I had to do that
[21:47] <m0nkey_> lol, looks like her flight has been delayed
[21:47] <m0nkey_> muhahaha
[21:47] <daftykins> oooh burn
[21:50] <m0nkey_> Just had an update, plane is delayed because people have been asked to leave the plane and they're having to get their luggage.
[21:51] <daftykins> they must be wearing leggings
[21:51] <daftykins> ;)
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> no no jeggings... for this jet age...
[21:53] <daftykins> ah har
[21:56] <diddledan> m0nkey_: why she going to cuba?
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> for the broadband...
[21:57] <daftykins> for the cigars!
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> and a bottle of rum...
[21:57] <m0nkey_> Sent her to buy me a bottle of rum
[21:58] <daftykins> :D
[21:58] <daftykins> i didn't even know there was anything about cuba and rum
[22:01] <daftykins> mmm paella time
[22:13] <m0nkey_> Looks like the plane has pushed back and is taxing
[22:13]  * m0nkey_ loves flightradar24.com
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> taxing... trying everyones nerves then... :-P
[22:14] <daftykins> mrs.m0nkey doesn't have to be taxing!
[22:15] <daftykins> hmm i wonder if that guy is still around, the one that did those history programs whilst cycling around on a yellow and pink bike
[22:15] <m0nkey_> *taxiing :P
[22:15] <daftykins> Adam Hart Davis
[22:16] <daftykins> "He also appeared in TV advertisements for HM Revenue & Customs with the catchphrase "tax doesn't have to be taxing". Following a statement from Hart-Davis, in which he mentioned the level of complexities within the UK tax system, his contract with HM Revenue & Customs ended."
[22:16] <daftykins> XD
[22:24] <daftykins> m0nkey_: ooh those melted balls... (Louis)
[22:25] <m0nkey_> lol
[22:25] <daftykins> that was neat hw
[22:25] <daftykins> *how you could see them melt then the chip glide into place
[22:40] <daftykins> i'm... kind of confused by that result
[22:42] <m0nkey_> Wife's flight has departed
[22:42] <daftykins> i heard that sigh from here ;)
[22:42] <m0nkey_> Only 2 hours late :)