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https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons/113/ [06:40] Good morning [08:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1416: SUCCESS in 51 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1416/ [08:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1416: SUCCESS in 57 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1416/ [08:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1416: SUCCESS in 2 min 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1416/ [08:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1416: SUCCESS in 2 min 52 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1416/ [11:06] Howdy all [12:57] can anyone do copyrights? It's nonsense to me [13:00] which step is? [13:39] hi [13:41] I'm bumbling along - its been years since I used IRC and I'm having to learn all over again [13:42] I got here because I was interested in acting as a Kubuntu tester [13:43] Hi bob_ well, this is the place :-) [13:44] Oh good :) [13:44] I have quite a few years experience using kubuntu [13:44] are you running 17.04 ? [13:44] but no coding skills [13:45] yup I have a version of it ruunning right now I'm speking from it [13:45] coding not needed for testing [13:45] I'm reasonably happy using the terminal [13:46] I also build my own pc's [13:47] I have occasionally reported a bug but generally I have been an ordinary user [13:47] I'm a tester and no very little about coding, just a little bit of scrpting [13:47] I have time to do some testing [13:48] no =know [13:48] yup no wot u mean [13:48] yeah we discourage texttalk here :-) [13:49] plain english works every time [13:50] I have done some simple scripting and recently struggled with the new systemd methods but I'm always ready to learn [13:51] I did encounter a problem that I think has been around for a while [13:52] a problem that causes the installation to lock up - it was there in 1604 and 1610 [13:53] i believe it is something to do with video drivers - once nvidias own from the repository are installed the lock ups cease [13:54] i thought it might have been sorted by now [13:55] what sort of testing is done and how does one get involved? [13:57] i need to ask to be added to the '!testers ubottu factoid' ? [14:02] bob_, do you mean the ubiquity crash ? [14:03] yofel: the step of going from the licensecheck output to a properly formatted file [14:04] yofel: and the step where I am supposed to care that this file exists in the 1st place [14:05] hm, I haven't done this lately and don't know the other helpers, but I did was roughly this: [14:09] In-depth licensecheck scan, determine most used license, use this for the "Files: *" section, grep the licensecheck output for said linsense to get only the files where it's used, cut output to get file list, xargs that to grep "Copyright" in those files to get the holders [14:09] then add a holder in debian/copyright with years collapsed into one line, go back to grep and 'grep -v ' to exclude the added user from the list, repeat until all people were added [14:09] then go back to full filelist, grep -v to get all other files, take next license, repeat above until done [14:09] which means I had to re-create the copyright file from scratch pretty much every time [14:09] BlesKaj, no the default nouveau video drivers interfere somehow and cause a system freeze [14:10] Sorry BluesKaj for name misspell [14:10] you could theoretically get copyright updates by diffing the upstream source (e.g. in git) and filtering copyright changes from that [14:10] but that requires a known-good state and I'm still not sure if that saves any time [14:11] depends on the amount of changes [14:11] bob_, that's a new one I haven't seen. I have nvidia graphics, but I haven't encountered any freezes during the beta2 clean install to / . [14:12] and you always need to remember that licensecheck only works for the major copyright template texts. You need to look at every file where it's not sure about the license or reports UNKNOWN by hand [14:12] I got this freeze on install with the last few versions of Kubuntu [14:13] or you don't catch stuff like gfdl licensed docbooks, etc. [14:14] BluesKaj, there is a workaround that stops the nouveau drivers before the system starts up [14:16] I haven't seen that freeze bob_ [14:16] yofel: :( yikes [14:17] well, it's a bloody mess. (and one reason why we're always behind RPM distros as they just say "License: GPL-3" and are done) [14:17] but that's the old-school way, I would *hope* that someone wrote a bunch of helpers by now? [14:17] (in the last 2 years or so) [14:18] https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReviewTools [14:18] some there (old?), but even then I don't really know how much to trust their output [14:19] most say to double check their output with licensecheck. lol [14:21] BluesKaj, I only encounter it when starting a new install [14:23] bob_, do you install to / and /home partitions ? [14:32] BluesKaj, yes I have my main system like that and have used that method for some time, although for this trial install of Zapy I left it all under /, [14:39] bob_, this is the first I've heard of a nouveau freeze problem [14:44] BluesKaj, I'm trying to find reference to it online [14:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1417: SUCCESS in 51 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1417/ [14:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1417: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1417/ [14:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1417: SUCCESS in 2 min 33 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1417/ [14:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1417: SUCCESS in 2 min 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1417/ [14:48] BluesKaj, my notes are in my yak1610 install, I will find reference eventually online [14:49] bob_, ok [15:11] BluesKaj, this link covers the problem, although connecting to a ppa to get nvidia drivers is unneccesary [15:13] http://askubuntu.com/questions/696671/15-10-system-install-hang [15:16] That is exactly the bug I have experienced [15:19] BluesKaj, this also is related to the same issue https://superuser.com/questions/1070307/ubuntu-16-04-freezes-on-loading-installation-from-bootable-usb [15:20] ahh, the optimus dual gpu hybrid graphics , that kind of an atypical setup and it's defeating the nvidia gpu in order to select boot with the intel gpu..this is not the case with single gpu onboard setups IME. Alsp the UEFI/BIOS PCI gpu needs to be selected instead of the onboard in cases where users add anew graphics PCI card to their computers [15:25] BluesKaj, I'm only using one graphics card - an nvidia - although the motherboard is provisioned for dual [15:26] bob_, is the nvidia a PCI card? [15:26] also no intel onboard - only amd [15:27] BluesKaj, yes, it is [15:27] and it's the primary so to speak chosen in the UEFI/BIOS ? [15:28] BluesKaj, it has to be its the only card, there is no onboard graphics [15:30] really? [15:32] BluesKaj, indeed [15:32] ok you bought a board with no gpu [15:34] BluesKaj, I bought an Asus m/board, an amd processor, a graphics card, a case, etc etc and put them together [15:34] right [15:35] I've been making my PC's up like that for more than 20 years [15:36] Blueskaj, been making them up more like 30 yesr actually [15:36] BlesKaj. yesr = years [15:38] BuesKaj - brb - a bread machine needs looking at :) [15:44] BluesKaj, the bread smells good [15:46] * BluesKaj nods [16:01] which driver does your nvidia gpu use, bob_ ? [16:04] the latest recommended one from the ubuntu repositories [16:06] BluesKaj, the latest recommended from the ubuntu repositories [16:07] BluesKaj, 375.39 from nvidia-375 [16:08] BluesKaj, its the default nouveau driver that my system doesn't like [16:10] BluesKag, btw the card is an nvidia GeForceGTX660 [16:14] bob_,right, I'm no gamer so i use an entry level 8400GS for this media server pc. It works very well for our needs [16:16] BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1217585 - a bug report this time [16:16] Launchpad bug 1217585 in Nouveau Xorg driver "System hangs after some time with nouveau and GT240" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:17] BluesKaj, oh what happened then? [16:19] !ubottu [16:19] Hi! I'm #kubuntu-devel's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone [16:22] !nvidia [16:22] For nvidia and matrox graphics cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto . For AMD/ATI graphics cards, see « /msg ubottu ati » and « /msg ubottu fglrxmissing » [16:23] bob_, this is what our infobot does [16:23] as an example [16:24] BluesKaj, I see, thankyou, I am learning [19:44] hi BluesKaj, I was bob_ :) [19:45] hey bobbicat :-) [20:51] is the kubuntu driver manager still a problem in default install of zesty? 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