[18:20] <rest> hello
[18:20] <wxl> howdy
[18:21] <rest> not gud :(
[18:21] <wxl> ?
[18:22] <rest> i have this old computer with like 1.5 ram etc , was thinking of puting a light OS like lubu but cant install them. says: ERROR no conf file found no default or UI conf directive found
[18:22] <wxl> and where do you see that?
[18:22] <rest> i inserted usb
[18:23] <rest> made it thru universal usb installation
[18:23] <wxl> universal usb installation? is that a windows thing?
[18:23] <rest> this one i see is for everything but i also made it via unetbootin
[18:23] <rest> which is specific for linux
[18:24] <rest> they both give me this error
[18:24] <rest> internet says i have to rename 2 files
[18:24] <rest> from isolinux to syslinux. did that but still error
[18:24] <wxl> what linux are you doing this on?
[18:25] <rest> my old computer has some corrupted windows in so i wanted to format it and install something
[18:25] <wxl> what are you running unetbootin on?
[18:25] <rest> on windows
[18:25] <rest> my main pc
[18:25] <wxl> can't help you with windows, unfortunately
[18:25] <rest> downloaded lubuntu from official site
[18:25] <rest> 16.04
[18:26] <wxl> maybe i'm misunderstanding something
[18:26] <wxl> at which point do you see these error(s)?
[18:27] <rest> i DL lubuntu, inserted it in usb , made it bootable, then i insert my usb to my old computer to install it there
[18:27] <rest> bios boot
[18:27] <rest> i tell it to boot from usb
[18:27] <rest> then this error
[18:28] <wxl> does it load linux at all or immediately show this error?
[18:28] <rest> it shows this error , when i think it should show the installation
[18:28] <wxl> that's not what i asked
[18:29] <rest> (im not familiar with linux sorry)
[18:29] <wxl> do you see any other text or images? ANYTHING else? or it immediately shows that?
[18:30] <rest> nothing , this error shows up at right after the initial beep sound computer makes, when it says like press DEL to enter bios etc
[18:30] <rest> loads few POST infos
[18:30] <rest> then this
[18:31] <wxl> where did you download from?
[18:31] <rest> http://lubuntu.net/
[18:33] <wxl> that's not the website
[18:34] <wxl> lubuntu.me is.
[18:34] <wxl> so you downloaded it with http or did you use torrent, zsync, or something else?
[18:36] <rest> torrent
[18:36] <wxl> well that's good. so the hash should check out automatically.
[18:36] <wxl> *MIGHT* want to doublecheck just for sanity's sake, but it should work
[18:36] <wxl> assuming that site points at the right place
[18:36] <rest> this is the error
[18:37] <rest> http://imgur.com/a/x9NXx
[18:37] <wxl> looks like it points to cdimage.ubuntu.com, so that's good
[18:37] <rest> so we guess that the iso is legit?
[18:37] <wxl> probably
[18:37] <wxl> but you should check the hashes
[18:38] <rest> did u see the error on the link?
[18:38] <wxl> yeah you're not even getting to GRUB, so that's pretty bad
[18:38] <rest> should i try other version of linux?
[18:38] <wxl> before i head too far down the rabbit hole, please check the hash of that iso with md5
[18:39] <wxl> i assume this is the i386 version?
[18:39] <wxl> 28121631f45c1413cb41daeb693cc927 *lubuntu-16.10-desktop-i386.iso
[18:39] <wxl> there's your md5
[18:41] <rest> yes
[18:41] <rest> that does this means
[18:41] <rest> what*
[18:41] <wxl> !md5
[18:42] <wxl> if that succeeds, i would try other methods. i usually use dd. it's a little more advanced but it never fails.
[18:53] <rest> they are the same
[18:54] <wxl> ok, so try a different method to get it on the usb
[18:54] <rest> before that im thinking of trying a windows xp sp3 LITE
[18:54] <rest> because my parents maybe cant handle linux
[18:57] <wxl> if you don't have it connected to the internet, that sounds like it would work, but linux isn't really that complicated from a UI perspective
[18:57] <rest> the usb is rdy im trying this now jsut in case.
[18:57] <rest> my parents only want like facebook,skype,youtube some googling
[18:57] <rest> that stuff
[18:58] <rest> lubu will provide stuff like that without needing me every now and then?
[18:58] <rest> like updating, fixing, terminal etc
[18:59] <wxl> xp is unsupported
[18:59] <wxl> and full of security issues
[19:00] <wxl> once you have it set up, it should Just Work™
[19:00] <wxl> (linux that is)
[19:00] <wxl> i will say there have been some rumblings about removing support for i386, but that's not anything that's going to happen immediately
[19:01] <rest> i heard that to make skype work with camera i have to search for drivers etc
[19:01] <rest> and many drivers for various stuff
[19:02] <wxl> it depends
[19:02] <wxl> some things are well supported right out of the box
[19:03] <rest> ur method of inserting it in usb
[19:03] <wxl> you have to remember that manufacturers have had a commercial motivation to ensure that their stuff works with windows and vice versa. linux, being free, and not having a vast amount of market share, doesn't have that same motivation
[19:03] <wxl> i mean, for that matter, try running apple os x on a non-apple machine. all i'll say is good freaking luck!
[19:03] <wxl> but once you have these things set up there should be no problem
[19:03] <wxl> "no problem"
[19:04] <rest> :P
[19:04] <wxl> if you think it's going to be bug free, you got another thing coming. there's no such thing as an operating system without bugs
[19:04] <rest> i guess
[19:05] <wxl> good luck getting microsoft developers to pay attention to your random piece of hardware that hasn't been sold in 20 years
[19:07] <rest> it doesnt work
[19:07] <rest> i think
[19:07] <wxl> "it" is ambigious
[19:07] <rest> that my HDD is failing
[19:08] <wxl> your HDD is not involved in booting the live system on the USB
[19:08] <rest> it says
[19:08] <rest> the boot selection failed because a required device is inaccessible
[19:08] <rest> status 0xc000000f
[19:09] <wxl> it now says something DIFFERENT?
[19:09] <rest> it shows this when im trying to boot usb with windows
[19:09]  * lopta is downloading Lubuntu 16.10.
[19:09] <rest> windows failed to start, a recent HW or SW change might be cause
[19:09] <lopta> Oh wait, 16.04, apparently.
[19:09] <rest> 1 insert ur win blablabla
[19:09] <wxl> maybe it's a bad usb.
[19:09] <wxl> or a bad usb port
[19:09] <wxl> those things happeen, to
[19:10] <rest> i tried 2 usbs
[19:10] <rest> 3 version of windows
[19:10] <rest> all this error, i tried once with lubuntu
[19:10] <rest> 1 error i told u earlier
[19:10] <wxl> did you change usb ports?
[19:10]  * wxl shrugs
[19:11] <rest> y swaped 2 ports i still have 1-2 more i havent tried
[19:11] <lopta> Does the .iso file work with USB flash or just when burned to a DVD?
[19:11] <wxl> all i know is that dd has been completely reliable for me
[19:11] <wxl> lopta: both
[19:11] <lopta> wxl: Great! Thanks.
[19:11] <wxl> other methods, including unetbootin, have given me mixed results
[19:11] <rest> what dd stands for
[19:11] <wxl> lopta: np. enjoy :)
[19:11] <wxl> !dd | rest
[19:11] <wxl> darnit :(
[19:11] <wxl> i thought i made a factoid for dd
[19:11] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29
[19:12] <lopta> wxl: I did have a disc at one point. Probably for an older version though.
[19:14] <rest> will that other method take long?
[19:14] <wxl> nope
[19:16] <wxl> you know, rest, you could buy installation media that's guaranteed to work. https://www.osdisc.com/products/lubuntu
[19:17] <lopta> Does the Lubuntu project get a cut from those sales?
[19:17] <lopta> I hope they do.
[19:17] <wxl> nope
[19:17] <wxl> that would be nice :)
[19:18] <rest> and now a silly q
[19:18] <rest> usb from mobo
[19:18] <lopta> There are no silly questions, only silly users ;-)
[19:18] <rest> hmm
[19:18] <rest> i lost my thoughts
[19:18] <wxl> you better go look for them
[19:18] <lopta> Volatile memory is volatile.
[19:19] <rest> usb port from mobo work without need of connecting small cables
[19:19] <rest> like from case
[19:19] <lopta> rest: That's not a question.
[19:20] <rest> ...
[19:21] <lopta> Are you asking whether you can connect a USB device directly to the USB header on a mainboard?
[19:21] <rest> so wxl are you up for that solution?
[19:21] <wxl> rest: i have no idea what you're asking or if you're asking something.
[19:22]  * lopta accidentally asks to ask.
[19:22] <wxl> !ask | lopta
[19:22] <wxl> XD
[19:22] <lopta> :-)
[19:22] <lopta> Ah, I see you were expecting me! :-D
[19:22] <rest> you said earlier that we could try another way of making the usb bootable with the iso
[19:23] <wxl> you have the following possible problems:
[19:23] <wxl>  1. usb itself is bad
[19:23] <wxl>  2. usb port(s) bad
[19:23] <wxl>  3. method to put the iso on the usb is bad
[19:24] <wxl> so you can try different usbs, both in the same port and in other ports
[19:24] <wxl> failing that, you can try using dd as i said before
[19:24] <wxl> OR if you want the easy button, go buy a usb :)
[19:26]  * lopta buys a USB Easy Button
[19:28] <rest> usb is fine, the port also
[19:28] <rest> right now i did a test i removed hdd
[19:28] <rest> and computer starts fine
[19:28] <rest> via usb but it stuck at windows 10 logo
[19:29] <lopta> I hope to try Lubuntu today on a very old laptop
[19:29] <rest> lubu can be tried via usb without the need of hdd right?
[19:29] <rest> i could try that
[19:29] <wxl> yep, rest
[19:30] <wxl> if you have 10, you likely have EFI, so you'll have to tweak the BIOS to allow legacy booting from the USB
[19:30] <rest> at which point a computer can reach without hdd
[19:30] <rest> only bios ?
[19:31] <wxl> not sure i understand that question
[19:31] <wxl> what i can tell you is that the iso puts the entire os AND required storage in memory, so the HDD is not used
[19:31] <lopta> rest: No, you should be able to get to a desktop, given the right USB image.
[19:31] <wxl> you do need to have memory though XD
[19:31] <rest> if i turn on my computer without hdd / without usb
[19:32] <wxl> then it will do nothing
[19:32] <rest> it can reach only POST screen
[19:32] <rest> and auto resets
[19:32] <lopta> rest: Who made the PC?
[19:33] <lopta> rest: Have you tried pressing F12 about a second after pressing the power button?
[19:35] <rest> lubu works on fat32 or ntfs?
[19:35] <wxl> usually you want it on fat
[19:36] <rest> im giving another shot on this
[19:36] <rest> i removed hdd and a usb mouse i had
[19:36] <rest> do u think the mouse could conflict somehow?
[19:37] <wxl> no
[19:38] <lopta> Only four minutes left...
[19:38] <rest> on what rig are you going to install it lopta?
[19:38] <lopta> rest: What did you use to dump the image to a USB flash drive?
[19:39] <lopta> rest: Dell Inspiron 1100
[19:39] <wxl> ^^ that
[19:39] <rest> i have 2 installers one called Universal USB instaler and the other unetbootin
[19:42] <lopta> Woohoo! My .iso file has arrived.
[19:43] <wxl> i've heard some people mention this but ymmv it's not supported http://rufus.akeo.ie/
[19:44] <lopta> I'm on NetBSD, so I'm going to try "dd if=lubuntu-16.10-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/rsd0d bs=16384 progress=723"
[19:44] <wxl> there you go. dd rules.
[19:45] <lopta> It's my weapon of choice.
[19:45] <wxl> NetBSD? uhh are you sure you want to switch to Lubuntu? XD
[19:46] <lopta> wxl: Nope ;-)
[19:46] <wxl> i mean bsd ain't all that for the desktop experience, but generally if you've been using bsd, you probably don't care all that much :)
[19:47] <lopta> wxl: ...but I have to try it because ...of reasons. ;-)
[19:47] <wxl> i seeeeee
[19:48] <lopta> 947912704 bytes transferred in 204.927 secs (4625611 bytes/sec)
[19:49] <lopta> Yay, it boots!
[19:49] <wxl> XD
[19:50] <lopta> dd ftw
[19:50] <wxl> word
[19:53] <rest> where u guys from?
[19:53] <wxl> cascadia
[19:54] <rest> me greece
[19:55] <wxl> i'd love to go there
[19:55] <lopta> brb, coffee
[19:56] <rest> its cool for vacations
[19:56] <rest> but for living u need to have a decent and secure job
[19:59] <lopta> rest: I'm not from Illinois, USA but that's where I live now.
[19:59] <lopta> brb
[20:11] <lopta> rest: Do you have access to another Linux or unix system?
[20:23] <lopta> Is Cascadia in Oregon?
[20:23] <wxl> well, oregon's in cascadia
[20:24] <lopta> Oh.
[20:25] <lopta> I know some people in Oregon
[20:26] <wxl> i do too :)
[20:26] <rest> guys nice to meet u
[20:27] <rest> i hv to go, thank u for supporting me, gl and bb
[21:07] <lopta> Is it really just 2.75 GB installed?!
[21:30] <MeXTuX> I have been experiencing a bug on Lubuntu 16.04. When I lock screen sometimes I move the mouse and the login screen doesn't show. I only see a black screen. It does not happen all the time but I would like to know if I can check a log or something to see what is going on. When that happens I press Ctrl Alt F1 and reboot the computer. Thanks in adva
[21:30] <MeXTuX> nce
[21:31] <tsimonq2> MeXTuX: What graphics card do you have?
[21:32] <MeXTuX> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
[21:34] <MeXTuX> Here there are more details http://paste.ubuntu.com/24308851/
[21:35] <tsimonq2> Hmmm
[21:35] <tsimonq2> MeXTuX: You might want to ask in #ubuntu, and if they send you back here, give me another ping. ;)
[22:22] <lynorian> MeXTuX, you do not need to rebbot the computer you can just restart lightdm but you still lose your work that way
[23:05] <chatter29> hey guys
[23:05] <chatter29> allah is doing
[23:05] <krytarik> Hi chatter29.
[23:05] <krytarik> \o/
[23:05] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[23:05] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[23:05] <Unit193> chatter29: I thought we had a discussion last night.