[00:20] <zeroeax> Can I do KVM PCIe Passgthrough with ubuntu?
[00:20] <zeroeax> my hardware supports it, and kvm supports it
[00:20] <zeroeax> does ubuntu have the packages compiled to support it?
[00:21] <zeroeax> usually people use debian, or in some cases citrix SUSE based host os
[00:21] <zeroeax> but I want ubuntu as my main OS, and I want to know if I can do it with ubuntu without serious modification
[00:24] <tonberry-king> Any one here know a decent amount of lvm ?
[00:31] <zeroeax> tonberry-king, I don't think so, I asked a pretty basic question, and 20 minutes later when I found the answer in the docs, no one had answered me yet
[00:31] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: Thanks
[00:32] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: Trying to figure out if i am able too stripe my boot partition
[00:32] <zeroeax> stripe? what do you mean?
[00:32] <tonberry-king> using lvm
[00:32] <tonberry-king> Like raid 0
[00:33] <zeroeax> oh, I don't know anything about using RAID, I know how it works, but I've never used it with linux
[00:33] <tonberry-king> I know you cant raid 0 a boot partition with mdadm
[00:33] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: It's cool
[00:33] <zeroeax> Like, I've read detailed technical documentation on RAID, but i've never set it up on linux
[00:34] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: On the lvm channel, figuring it out
[00:34] <zeroeax> cool tonberry-king
[00:34] <zeroeax> good luck with that
[00:34] <zeroeax> oh, what's the channel
[00:35] <zeroeax> I still have a question too, related to the one no one here could answer
[00:35] <tonberry-king> Thanks man but i think i will have to mirror boot which is no biggie
[00:36] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: What was the question ?
[00:39] <zeroeax> tonberry-king, if there is a way to make partitions adjust their sizes automatically, specifically my swap
[00:39] <zeroeax> I need more swap, but I ended up using commands to force it larger
[00:39] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: like automated resizing ?
[00:39] <zeroeax> yeah
[00:39] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: I dunno, never heard of that before
[00:40] <zeroeax> Like, it's supposed to make resizing and managing partitions more simple and manageable, so I thought MAYBE it would have a feature like that
[00:40] <zeroeax> It's a shot in the dark but you don't know unless you ask
[00:40] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: What is "making" resizing
[00:40] <tonberry-king> zeroeax: easier ?
[00:42] <tonberry-king> Are you talking about resize2fs ?
[00:42] <zeroeax> I don't know, that's what the ubuntu installer told me, it said it's used for easier managment and changes to your partitioning scheme
[00:42] <zeroeax> I never used LVM except when I needed full disk encryption, and I didn't care about what size the partitions were
[00:42] <zeroeax> so I know little to nothing about it
[00:42] <tonberry-king> LVM isn't encryption
[00:43] <tonberry-king> It's a partitioning scheme
[00:43] <zeroeax> tonberry-king, but ubuntu's installer requires you use it if you use the installers FDE option
[00:44] <zeroeax> like, if you set up full disk encryption with ubuntu's ubiquity installer, you must use LVM
[00:44] <zeroeax> and let ubuntu manage the whole thing
[00:44] <tonberry-king> LVM allows the ablility to move partition's with out umounting
[00:44] <zeroeax> tonberry-king, I see
[00:45] <tonberry-king> LUKS is the encryption i think
[00:45] <tonberry-king> Neither will automate
[00:45] <tonberry-king> AFAIK
[00:46] <zeroeax> yeah, but the ubuntu installer automatically selects use LVM(check box with no other options and a very limited description) when you tell it to encrypt your whole disk
[00:46] <tonberry-king> It automates the partitions
[00:46] <zeroeax> so that's what I know it from, and that's all i know it from
[00:46] <zeroeax> yeah...
[00:47] <zeroeax> I just got the impression that it was more capable from the little one line description in the installer
[00:47] <tonberry-king> No man
[00:47] <zeroeax> It didn't really explain it
[00:47] <zeroeax> no I accept you're right, I'm just explaining why i thought that
[00:48] <tonberry-king> fair imagine pie graphs it automates the sizes not the partitions
[00:48] <zeroeax> I see
[00:49] <zeroeax> Well, regardless, it does what I need it to, just not in a way I hoped would simplify it, but it is what it is, and it works for what it's intended to
[00:49] <zeroeax> I just used a couple commands to adjust the size of the swap
[00:49] <zeroeax> I need to buy a ram upgrade
[00:49] <tonberry-king> setup is simple maintenance is hard
[00:50] <zeroeax> I only have 8gb, and my laptop can support 16gb ram
[00:50] <zeroeax> if I had 16gb ram, I wouldn't need swap to compile huge things
[00:50] <tonberry-king> how much is your swap and are you on a ssd ?
[00:50] <zeroeax> I'm not on an SSD, i'm on a very slow hard drive
[00:51] <zeroeax> it's the slowest hard drive I've had in 10 years
[00:51] <tonberry-king> If anything goes into swap it will be slower than your hard drive
[00:51] <zeroeax> but I didn't buy the laptop for the hard drive, i bought it for the cpu and gpu
[00:51] <tonberry-king> If you have 8 gig swap thats plenty
[00:52] <zeroeax> I do intend to put in a 512gb SSD, and upgrade the ram from 8gb 1600mhz to 16gb 1866mhz
[00:52] <zeroeax> but money is a factor
[00:52] <tonberry-king> How big is the swap partition ?
[00:52] <zeroeax> 10gb
[00:52] <zeroeax> but swapiness is set to 0
[00:52] <tonberry-king> your fine
[00:52] <zeroeax> I need non-swap
[00:53] <zeroeax> I don't want it to take me 10 hours to compile my custom android kernel
[00:53] <tonberry-king> Read into putting compile into ram
[00:53] <zeroeax> putting compile into ram?
[00:53] <tonberry-king> Like tempfs
[00:54] <zeroeax> what am i putting in the ramfs?
[00:54] <tonberry-king> you can mount ram into a tmpfs and use that space to compile faster
[00:54] <zeroeax> yeah, but I need the ram to compile
[00:54] <Kman> I have been using Ubuntu 14.04 for years, should i wait for the 18.04?
[00:54] <zeroeax> like, compiling this thing takes 6-7 gb of ram
[00:55] <zeroeax> which means I have to close every program I have to compile it
[00:55] <zeroeax> I can't even have a browser open
[00:55] <zeroeax> or it runs out of ram
[00:55] <tonberry-king> And droid kenrel is 6 gigs ?
[00:55] <Prince_> how to install apt-get
[00:55] <zeroeax> The ggc front-end for compiling for this specific binary format is very very very bloated
[00:56] <tonberry-king> But a kernel being 6 gigs is over kill
[00:56] <OerHeks> Prince_, install ubuntu, it comes with apt
[00:57] <zeroeax> no it takes 6gb of ram during compilation, the kernel's source is only 300mb
[00:57] <Prince_> i know OerHeks my mistake it uninstalled
[00:57] <zeroeax> It's because samsung doesn't know how to make a good compiler
[00:57] <tonberry-king> Well i dunno what to tell you man
[00:57] <zeroeax> tonberry-king, well, tell me to hurry up and get money for the ram upgrade i guess
[00:58] <fyan-rava> hello
[00:58] <zeroeax> haha, I'll afford it at the end of next month, it's budgeted, SSD and RAM
[00:58] <Prince_> i use live cd but nothing happened  as i changed root and tried to install it
[00:58] <zeroeax> I just have to deal with what I have until then
[00:59] <zeroeax> Can't make the money come any sooner and I don't want to borrow against my line of credit for it
[00:59] <fyan-rava> do you know develop tools for program in ubuntu ?
[00:59] <kk4ewt> build-essentials?
[01:00] <zeroeax> I use ubuntu to develop custom android kenrels and ROMs
[01:00] <OerHeks> Prince_, hard to do so, uninstalling apt..  get the apt.deb from launchpad and install with dpkg -i
[01:00] <zeroeax> it's the preferred/documented distro for the task
[01:00] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt
[01:00] <FXpro> how do you install a file via script called install.sh?
[01:00] <Prince_> i tried it OerHeks and is gave error
[01:01] <zeroeax> FXpro, "sudo ./install.sh"
[01:01] <fyan-rava> example: c#, c/C++, asp.net, java,...
[01:01] <Prince_> apt-get: symbol lookup error: apt-get: undefined symbol: _ZN11CommandLine10GetCommandEPKNS_8DispatchEjPKPKc  this is the out put of command sudo apt-get
[01:01] <Prince_> apt-get: symbol lookup error: apt-get: undefined symbol: _ZN11CommandLine10GetCommandEPKNS_8DispatchEjPKPKc  this is the out put of command sudo apt-get   OerHeks
[01:02] <zeroeax> OerHeks, download the .deb file manually from any one of the official mirrors and install it using "dpkg -i filename.deb"
[01:02] <FXpro> it will find it in the downlaod directory?
[01:02] <OerHeks> lols .. no, apt-get does not work now. dpkg is your saviour
[01:02] <zeroeax> use dpkg to insatll apt-get
[01:02] <zeroeax> or do you have apt?
[01:03] <zeroeax> or aptitude?
[01:03] <zeroeax> or any other package manager?
[01:03] <zeroeax> synaptics
[01:03] <Menzador> But Synaptic uses apt
[01:06] <OerHeks> * ofcourse you pick the 'updates' version in the list https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt
[01:08] <fyan-rava> hello
[01:10] <zeroeax> hi fyan-rava
[01:10] <zenguy> is there a version of x2go for ubuntu?
[01:11] <zenguy> i need to interface with a desktop
[01:11] <zenguy> otherwise i'd just ssh
[01:11] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~x2go/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[01:12] <zenguy> thank you thank you OerHeks :D
[01:13] <OerHeks> https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-x2goserver-on-ubuntu-14.04-as-vnc-alternative old but still valid
[01:14] <zenguy> ok thank you OerHeks :D
[01:23] <deeno> are there disk defragmenters for linux?
[01:27] <acheron-a> deeno, what OS have you been using that uses a fragmentation?
[01:28] <deeno> Linux
[01:28] <deeno> Kubuntu
[01:28] <Bashing-om> deeno: Consider: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/linux-filesystem-defrag/ ,
[01:28] <ivan> deeno: I use XFS and xfs_fsr
[01:29] <deeno> How do I get to shell mode away from plasma and X win
[01:30] <deeno> what is XFS
[01:36] <ivan> deeno: basically the filesystem that people should be using instead of ext4 but don't because it isn't the default
[01:37] <ivan> it tends not to break badly when the storage device suffers various failure modes like power outage or sata flakiness
[01:40] <fyan-rava> hello
[01:47] <aarontc> does anyone have a suggestion of where I can ask about wine troubleshooting? The same process works fine on a Gentoo box but not on an Ubuntu 16.04 box, and I don't know where to start looking
[01:47] <deeno> How do I disable touch pad in Plasma permanently everlasting?
[01:48] <Bashing-om> !wine | aarontc
[01:49] <aarontc> Bashing-om: there aren't any resources on there for "why does it work on one distro but not Ubuntu" :D
[01:50] <Bashing-om> aarontc: I have no wine direct ecpereince . There is " Join #winehq for application help " .
[01:50] <ivan> aarontc: different wine version?
[01:50] <aarontc> when I've asked wine help channels they say "oh it's an ubuntu problem, go ask them" >.<
[01:50] <Delvien> different wine version, different kernel version, different opengl/mesa/graphics drivers, I could go on
[01:50] <ivan> maybe try a newer wine or wine-staging from the wine ppa
[01:50] <aarontc> I tried using teh wine PPA to match versions, no improvement
[01:51] <ivan> maybe the gentoo box has some already-installed ~/.wine stuff you need?
[01:51] <aarontc> ivan: no, I made a brand new wineprefix with a brand new user account to rule out as much as I could
[01:51] <aarontc> and the whole shebang works fine on ubuntu 14.04, too
[01:52] <ivan> any useful output after doing wineserver -k and running wine yourapp from the terminal?
[01:52] <deeno> I really like my laptop but my touch pad annoys me. If I could brake it, I would brake it.
[01:52] <ivan> break
[01:53] <aarontc> ivan: I have tried running 'wine setup.exe' from a terminal, and I get millions of "fixme" lines... I need to know what to grep for or something
[01:53] <ivan> how would I know what to grep for when your problem is "it doesn't work" ;)
[01:54] <deeno> Oh well as if the homonym break makes the much difference
[01:54] <aarontc> well I can elaborate on the exact problem, but I was initially asking for resources to figure out why wine is behaving differently on two sysetms
[01:54] <dkg_ctc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[01:54] <deeno> Can I remove its drivers per say?
[01:54] <kode54> are you possibly running something new enough to not be using Xorg?
[01:54] <ivan> elaborating on the problem would help
[01:55] <deeno> I cannot disable the touchpad in Plasma
[01:56] <aarontc> ivan: the symptoms are the same as this bug: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38838 except instead of an activation screen, the app (word, excel, etc.) just crashes
[01:57] <aarontc> I've tried wine 1.6 and 1.8, both versions work fine on gentoo, 1.6 works fine on ubuntu 14.04, but neither version work on ubuntu 16.04
[01:57] <aarontc> by "work fine" I mean that the setup process works and the apps run just fine
[01:58] <aarontc> using the same ISO and KMS server, etc.
[01:58] <Oderus> hello. I cannot seem to stay connected to my 5Ghz Wifi LAN despite 100% signal strength. Any ideas?
[02:00] <dkg_ctc> aarontc, did you follow any particular guide for installing Office 2010 under Wine?
[02:00] <deeno> How do I disable touch pad in Plasma permanently everlasting?
[02:00] <aarontc> dkg_ctc: no, just "WINEPREFIX=~/.someplace WINEARCH=win32 wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe" ...
[02:01] <dkg_ctc> This is from a Google search...looks like there are quite a few steps:  https://www.dizwell.com/wordpress/technical-articles/linux/install-office-2010-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[02:02] <dkg_ctc> I don't vouch for it at all not having gone through the steps myself, but it looks pretty thorough.
[02:02] <aarontc> okay, I'll try it
[02:05] <deeno> How do I disable touch pad in Plasma permanently everlasting?
[02:06] <dmiller309_> Is the Ubuntu CA US meeting happening here right now? It's on the calendar but nobody's there.
[02:08] <Delvien> dmiller309_: if youre talking about a LoCo team, its probably in a seperate channel. for example,. ubuntu-us-oh, but the naming scheme may be different
[02:08] <aarontc> dkg_ctc: looks like the magic bit that was missing was winbind
[02:08] <aarontc> no idea why that matters, and it is *not* installed on the ubuntu14 box this works on..
[02:09] <aarontc> but thanks for the article :)
[02:09] <dkg_ctc> You're welcome.
[02:10] <dkg_ctc> Glad you were able to get it to work.
[02:10] <aarontc> me too, been banging my head against this all day
[02:15] <renatosilva> please help with this upgrade errors, what do I do? http://vpaste.net/y030l
[02:16] <ivan> renatosilva: try sudo apt-get -f install
[02:18] <renatosilva> ivan: that exact command?
[02:18] <renatosilva> this is a server, I cannot make experiments
[02:19] <ivan> if this is a server, why are you upgrading to a non-LTS kernel?
[02:20] <clackamas> renatosilva try sudo unlink /.
[02:20] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[02:20] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[02:22] <Bashing-om> Renegade334: ^^ there is a reason that the latest kernel did not install - out of disk space ? ' df -h ; df -i ' to check .
[02:23] <ivan> but seriously don't run 9-month-support releases on servers
[02:36] <killtheliterate> hiya folks. trying to install ubuntu on an ssd, and am not quite sure on some terminology. Does "dual boot" refer to a single disk with multiple OS? If I'm installing Ubuntu on a separate drive, and will also be installing the bootloader to that drive, does that constitute a dual boot?
[02:38] <ivan> killtheliterate: yeah, dual boot applies to any scenario where you can run two operating systems on the same hardware
[02:38] <kk4ewt> techniclly dual boot is multple OS on one computer
[02:39] <killtheliterate> gotcha
[02:39] <ivan> killtheliterate: are you going to use UEFI or MBR boot?
[02:39] <killtheliterate> alright. trying to set up full disk encryption is a bit tricky then, it seems. I've failed a few times already
[02:39] <killtheliterate> I honestly don't know the difference between mbr and uefi
[02:40] <ivan> killtheliterate: is there something about dual boot that makes disk encryption trickier?
[02:40] <b-yeezi> channel list
[02:40] <ivan> apply LUKS to the Linux non-/boot partition and BitLocker to the Windows
[02:40] <b-yeezi> sorry wrong window...
[02:41] <killtheliterate> only guides i have found require setting up 3 separate partitions using the "something else" option... easy enough, but when I get to the last step, I get a warning "the attempt to mount a fs with type ext4..." and it just dies
[02:42] <ivan> killtheliterate: if you want to do it manually it's not that hard
[02:44] <ivan> killtheliterate: can you link to the instructions you followed?
[02:44] <killtheliterate> yep yep: http://linuxbsdos.com/2014/01/16/manual-full-disk-encryption-setup-guide-for-ubuntu-13-10-linux-mint-16/
[02:44] <killtheliterate> I think I'm going to try: https://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot/293029#293029
[02:44] <Ben64> it's not really a dual boot though...
[02:46] <ivan> killtheliterate: you don't need any LVM, or a /home, or a swap
[02:46] <ivan> use xfs instead of ext4 if you value your data
[02:47] <killtheliterate> Ben64 what you mean?
[02:47] <Ben64> unplug the windows drive, install, done
[02:48] <theablestman> hi how do i save in nano?
[02:48] <ivan> theablestman: ctrl-o
[02:48] <wastrel> "write out"
[02:48] <theablestman> ty
[02:48] <theablestman> :)
[02:49] <theablestman> exit?
[02:49] <killtheliterate> Ben64 Ah, right on, was thinking about doing that. Won't have problems once I plug the windows drive back in?
[02:49] <theablestman> nvm got it ty
[02:49] <ivan> killtheliterate: why would you? the motherboard looks for bootloaders on all the drives
[02:49] <killtheliterate> ivan that's why i'm asking. i don't know these things :P
[02:50] <Ben64> might have to update grub to see windows, or just choose boot device at start
[02:50] <ivan> btw, if you have a UEFI boot, Windows will sometimes helpfully wipe out the Linux Boot* entries you have in your motherboard NVRAM
[02:51] <clackamas> You know you are getting India tech support when you get names like Earl and Herbert.
[02:52] <archpc> i have a question about using virtualization with pci passthrough, anybody familiar on the topic?
[02:52] <clackamas> I am.
[02:53] <clackamas> archpc:  I am.
[02:53] <clackamas> archpc: which virtualization system are you using? KVM or Virtual Box?
[02:53] <archpc> clackamas, i'm currently running windows 10, which i DESPISE, and i was thinking of running ubuntu as my main OS with windows in zen or vbox with pci passthru
[02:54] <archpc> i have an intel i7 with intel HD gfx and an r9 290, would i be able to use my igpu as my host graphics and the 290 as my windows pci graphics?
[02:55] <clackamas> archpc: as long as you don't need to play games, there is nothing wrong with that.  I would probably suggest vbox over zen for that purpose too.  Last time I checked, Win10 is more stable in vbox.
[02:56] <archpc> clackamas, i should have mentioned i'm a bit of a gamer
[02:56] <archpc> but wouldnt pci passthru to my gpu help remedy that or am i missing something
[02:56] <clackamas> arcphpc: for gaming, you are better off dual booting.    Also, have you checked out Steam for Linux?
[02:56] <killtheliterate> alright, i'ma just go the "unplug the other drives" route. was putting the *nix bootloader on the new disk anyways
[02:56] <archpc> yeah but all of the games i play are windows only sadly
[02:56] <ivan> if you despise Windows 8.1 less than Windows 10 that seems like a much easier thing to do
[02:56] <fyan-rava> hello
[02:57] <fyan-rava> i want to create game in ubuntu
[02:57] <clackamas> killtheliterate: yeah, I hear that.  I am close to getting a System76 laptop so I can dual boot.
[02:57] <clackamas> fyan-rava: use OpenGL :)
[02:57] <Oderus> I found most games run well using Wine
[02:58] <deeno> how do I get to text mode in linux
[02:58] <deeno> text mode like msdos
[02:58] <archpc> Oderus, i've tried actually, it was a literal dumpster fire
[02:58] <wastrel> deeno: you open a terminal
[02:58] <archpc> deeno, ctrl + alt + f2 iirc
[02:58] <wastrel> ctrl-alt-t
[02:58] <Oderus> archpc: harsh, what game? I've been able to play MMO's using wine
[02:58] <clackamas> deeno: run a terminal.  Or you can do alt-F1 - F5
[02:59] <archpc> Oderus, DayZ and PUBG, which uses Battleeye anticheat which is undoable via wine, and a few other random ones
[02:59] <clackamas> err, ctl-alt F1-F6.  ctl-alt F7 will bring backup Xwindow.
[03:00] <wastrel> or search for "terminal" in the dash
[03:01] <wastrel> or alt-f2 and type gnome-terminal
[03:03] <deeno> How do I get to the administrative metal of Linux?
[03:04] <ivan> deeno: open any a root shell
[03:04] <wastrel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:04] <killtheliterate> clackamas: thought about that myself... i wasn't super impressed with the one a coworker has, but they have a bunch
[03:05] <clackamas> killtheliterate: what didn't impress you about it?
[03:06] <clackamas> killtheliterate: I am still on the fence.   The MSI GS63VR is on the list as well as the Dell XPS 15.
[03:06] <clackamas> I don't want windows deciding that my bootload is corrupted.
[03:08] <renatosilva> is there any way to find out if the current release has been installed from scratch or if it's originated from a dist-upgrade?
[03:09] <killtheliterate> clackamas: just wasn't that sleek... and the touchpad broke at some point... was the oryx pro, so might as well of been a desktop :P
[03:09] <Ben64> renatosilva: dist-upgrade isn't what you think it is
[03:10] <clackamas> renatosilva: I dunno if dpkg / apt provides a history command like yum does.
[03:10] <DexDeadly> is there a way to just kind of reset an entire install of ubuntu on a webserver without reinstalling
[03:11] <Ben64> DexDeadly: not really
[03:11] <fyan-rava> hello
[03:12] <Jordan_U> renatosilva: Check if there exists a /var/log/dist-upgrade/. Though I will echo Ben64's comment that (despite even the name of that log directory) "dist-upgrade" is a poor term to use for upgrading from one Ubuntu release to another as "apt-get dist-upgrade" will *not* on its own upgrade you to a new release, and if you're using apt-get dist-upgrade as part of your method of upgrading then you are doing
[03:12] <renatosilva> clackamas: not sure either, but I wonder if there's a difference between installing from scratch or upgrading
[03:12] <Jordan_U> it *wrong* as the only supported way is via do-release-upgrade / update-manager.
[03:12] <clackamas> renatosilva: you could look at /var/log/apt/history.log*
[03:13] <Ben64> and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should be used regularly to keep packages updated
[03:13] <DexDeadly> anyone using ISPCOnfig3?
[03:13] <Oderus> i always use apt instead of apt-get
[03:14] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: no such directory /var/log/dist-upgrade, so is that for sure a bare release installation?
[03:14] <clackamas> rentatosilva: this box I am on was originally 12.  I upgraded to 14  and recently 16.
[03:14] <schnoodles> Hey everyone. I completely removed all versions of MySQL and MariaDB from my system. I then went to install mysql-server and I get https://gist.github.com/joshbenham/955e8d5ac636e6da9f2fa7e472681e3f
[03:14] <schnoodles> Supposedly it thinks that there is a mysql server running and fails but I have uninstalled mysql.
[03:15] <Jordan_U> renatosilva: I don't know that for sure. Why do you want to know?
[03:16] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: because I have kernel 2.6 on ubuntu 16.04 which is bad, and if that comes from the vps image, this is really bad
[03:16] <Ben64> renatosilva: what is the output of uname -a
[03:16] <wastrel> it's probz a stale lockfile
[03:16] <wastrel> schnoodles: check in /var/run
[03:16] <clackamas> renatosilva: what is your concern/problem with upgrading?
[03:18] <Oderus> Linux AmigaBuntu 4.4.0-71-generic #92-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 24 12:59:01 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:18] <Oderus> mistake
[03:18] <schnoodles> wastrel: what am I exactly checking. There is no mysql folders in there.
[03:18] <schnoodles> I cant even do mysql from command line.
[03:18] <schnoodles> I cant even install mariadb over mysql because of the same bug.
[03:18] <clackamas> schnoodles: you are looking for files with a *.pid
[03:18] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: I guess I will need to try out the 16.04 image and see then, cause I don't really remember if I'm using that or if I've upgraded to that version
[03:19] <Ben64> renatosilva: what is the output of uname -a
[03:19] <Jordan_U> renatosilva: It probably is from your VPS. What is the output of "uname -r"?
[03:19] <schnoodles> There are quite a few .pid files just no mysql
[03:19] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: will be surprising if they use kernel 2.6 in their 16.04 image, since libc is now furious about it
[03:20] <wastrel> wait yakkety shouldn't you be asking in #ubuntu+1 ?
[03:20] <Ben64> renatosilva: what is the output of uname -a
[03:20] <Ben64> wastrel: 16.10 is in the past
[03:20] <wastrel> that's yakkety?
[03:20] <Ben64> yep
[03:20] <Jordan_U> renatosilva: Remember that if what you have is a container rather than a VM then you can't control what kernel is used, it's the kernle of the host.
[03:20] <wastrel> i'm 16.04 :(  my sorry
[03:21] <clackamas> schnoodles: 'ps aux | grep -i mysql'
[03:21] <clackamas> And see if it is running.
[03:21] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: yes it's a vps so the whole question is what kernel their host is using, so I'm scared that's 2.6, I don't think so
[03:22] <Ben64> renatosilva: omg what is the output of uname -a
[03:23] <clackamas> 4.4.0-71.generic  is the current one in 16.0.4.2 LTS
[03:23] <wastrel> schnoodles: so if you do service mysql stop  what happens
[03:24] <renatosilva> Jordan_U: I think when I installed 16.04 it was closer to its release, so I don't think that would be enough time for the vps company  to create the image and test it and release to the users (meaning yes my 16.04 originated from updates command)
[03:24] <Ben64> renatosilva: HEY
[03:24] <Ben64> renatosilva: LISTEN!
[03:26] <schnoodles> clackamas: no It does not pick up any mysql. Now if I try and install mysql it says that its running during installation and fails.
[03:26] <schnoodles> I will try with mariadb-server and show you the output.
[03:27] <schnoodles> https://gist.github.com/joshbenham/bdbbea1bd7376b7c776bfe7299570f5a This will give you an idea of the error. It makes no sense :\
[03:28] <renatosilva> well, thanks all anyway
[03:29] <wastrel> schnoodles: what does service mysql stop   do
[03:29] <Ownz> it stops mysqld
[03:29] <clackamas> schnoodles:  sudo apt list | grep -Pi '^mysql'
[03:29] <schnoodles> Failed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded.
[03:30] <schnoodles> clackamas: https://gist.github.com/joshbenham/e3e659b3eefeb8f52624ec3f985e3b74
[03:32] <schnoodles> Any other suggestions at all ?
[03:33] <killtheliterate> installed ubuntu with the other disks unplugged... hit another gnarly maybe bug, kinda like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194
[03:34] <clackamas> schnoodles: ah, you are on 16.10.
[03:34] <clackamas> schnoodles: I suspect you are hitting a bug in the package and doing a google/bing search would probably get you a work around faster.
[03:36] <snkcld> on the default ubuntu+btrfs install, why is the home directory a subvol outside the ubuntu subvol? why not just create the subvolume as a child subvolume?
[03:37] <schnoodles> clackamas: I have been googling for many an hour but to no prevail. Any idea on what I should be googling for exactly?
[03:37] <clackamas> schnoodles: try this:
[03:38] <clackamas> sudo apt-get purge mysql-server-5.6 (or whatever version it is).
[03:38] <clackamas> schnoobles: then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mysql-server-<targetversion>
[03:44] <schnoodles> Same problem. It fails because it tries to stop mysql but mysql is not actually installed so there is nothing to stop...
[03:45] <wastrel> maybe replace the mysql service script with something that always returns true
[03:45] <wastrel> temporarily
[03:45] <clackamas> schnoodles: yeah, that sounds like a bug in the 16.10 package that won't have a workaround until it is fixed.
[03:47] <schnoodles> I have had 16.10 installed for a while and this just appeared :S wastrel that could be a good approach if i knew how to do that :P
[03:47] <clackamas> schnoodles: can you re-post the url with package failure again?
[03:48] <schnoodles> Also why is there a /etc/init.d/mysql if mysql is uninstalled?
[03:48] <clackamas> it may have not gotten uninstall correctly.
[03:48] <clackamas> You could also try re-naming the file.
[03:49] <clackamas> (don't delete)
[03:49] <wastrel> that's a good idea to start
[03:49] <clackamas> if the package is testing for the existance of the file, it may not try to stop the service if it isn't there.
[03:50] <schnoodles> Ok that gave new errors -- https://gist.github.com/joshbenham/19cbea64d7874b29d3a5df51323c9900
[03:51] <clackamas> schnoodles: progress maybe ;)  Can you post the new errors?
[03:51] <schnoodles> Yep in the gist above.
[03:54] <schnoodles> Ok I got mariadb installed. Although looks like all my databases have been destroyed :o
[03:56] <clackamas> :(
[03:57] <schnoodles> Eh its not the worst thing. I was thinking I may have had to format my machine. No idea why MySQL is playing up though. Lets hope MariaDB will be a nice drop in replacement.
[03:57] <clackamas> schnoodles: I still file a bug.
[04:04] <TheNH813> So, I can't can some software to install. How do I make scala execute a build.sbt file?
[04:06] <TheNH813> All the instructions for Slide Pro said to do was build it scala for Ubuntu.
[04:08] <TheNH813> Ah, I derped. I have to use IntelliJ. What a waste of disk space, install a 1GB IDE to run a 5MB application.
[04:10] <clackamas> I think  just decided what laptop to get for Ubuntu: the Dell Precision 5520.  Cannot beat the mil-spec raiting.
[04:36] <BlitzerHound> Hey y'all
[04:36] <zakiyfadhilmuhsi> hallo
[04:37] <BlitzerHound> Quick question, is there a good program for MUD games on ubuntu? All I could find was Mudlet, and it's not working.
[04:37] <clackamas> BlitzerHound: trying to run a server or a client?
[04:38] <BlitzerHound> Well, I'm just trying to play a game, so client?
[04:38] <BlitzerHound> I think
[04:38] <zakiyfadhilmuhsi> i running linux for study cyber
[04:39] <clackamas> blitzerhound: it is the orignal Mmorpg game.
[04:39] <clackamas> I haven't played in 20 years.
[04:39] <clackamas> But how is mudlet broken?
[04:39] <BlitzerHound> Well, when I try to connect to the server, it just says trying to connect but never does. I've tried going to other games, and that works just fine.
[04:40] <clackamas> That sounds like the server you are trying to se isn't available.
[04:40] <clackamas> do you have the servers IP?
[04:40] <BlitzerHound> I can connect using tintin++ and that works fine for connecting to it, so the server is fine
[04:40] <BlitzerHound> I don't know the actual IP, only the address
[04:41] <clackamas> I would check that mudlet is using the correct port too.
[04:43] <clackamas> BLitzerHound: what version of Ubuntu are you using and which profile are you selecting?
[04:43] <BlitzerHound> I'm using 16.10, and I don't know what you mean by which profile
[04:43] <clackamas> open up an xterm
[04:43] <clackamas> And type 'mudlet'
[04:46] <BlitzerHound> Is that different from the normal terminal?
[04:46] <clackamas> BliterzerHOund: same thing.
[04:47] <BlitzerHound> Alright, did that
[04:47] <clackamas> mudlet prints out info in the terminal that might help you.
[04:47] <BlitzerHound> So I should try and connect again?
[04:47] <clackamas> yeah.
[04:47] <BlitzerHound> Oh... it connected. Weird.
[04:47] <BlitzerHound> Maybe I just needed to open it in terminal? lol
[04:48] <clackamas> All thought I install mudlet on my machine and get a screen with servers to connect to.
[04:48] <clackamas> I am on 16.0.4.2 LTS thought.
[04:48] <clackamas> err though
[04:49] <BlitzerHound> Anyway, thanks. Working perfectly now.
[04:50] <clackamas> Ah,  what is different?
[04:50] <BlitzerHound> Nothing. I just pushed connect and it connected.
[04:50] <BlitzerHound> Maybe the terminal helped somehow, but I didn't change anything. It's weird because I just tried it like 6 times.
[04:51] <clackamas> ah.
[04:51] <clackamas> so you are not getting a wrapper screen.
[04:51] <BlitzerHound> What do you mean?
[04:51] <damian666> Anyone have a tutorial or any way of installing the latest flash player on ubuntu
[04:53] <clackamas> BLiterzerHound: nevermind.  I was confused on the startup porcess.  Glad it's working for you.
[04:54] <BlitzerHound> Well, thanks either way. Your magic instructions made it work. :D
[04:54] <clackamas> when you logout/log back in again, the command will probably work from Menu
[04:56] <BlitzerHound> Cool. I might just keep using terminal to open it if that's what's making it work. It's not difficult.
[04:57] <clackamas> yep
[04:58] <mikehl> a:1:{i:0;a:4:{s:13:"attachment_id";s:1:"0";s:4:"name";s:20:"after.zip";s:4:"file";s:49:"before/middle/after.zip";s:9:"condition";s:1:"0";}}  <-- How could I grep or sed 'before/middle/after.zip' from this string? any ideas.
[04:58] <mikehl> I have a csv file with a load of these strings and I need to output them in a clean way
[04:59] <hhee> guys, which the best todo program? :)
[05:00] <clackamas> mikehl, I think that is a little beyond the help here.   But I not clear on what you are asking?  You want just the 'before/middle/after.zip' string?
[05:00] <mikehl> yes
[05:00] <clackamas> And it is just those words?
[05:00] <Ben64> mikehl: you probably want #bash
[05:00] <mikehl> no they are all different
[05:00] <mikehl> on every line
[05:01] <clackamas> you could try this:
[05:02] <ivan> hhee: I use all of: a plaintext file, a column-per-day calendar in libreoffice calc, a gitlab running in a virtual machine
[05:02] <ivan> if you're OK with emacs, org-mode is another option
[05:02] <hhee> ivan, cool. what way do you organize your plain text file?
[05:02] <clackamas> cat <file> | sed -r 's/"([a-z]+)".*"([a-z]+)".*"([a-z]+)\.zip"/\1\/\2\/\3/'
[05:03] <Ben64> clackamas: eww
[05:03] <hhee> ivan, i also need reminder for task. what's the question
[05:03] <clackamas> Ben64: come up with a cleaner regex
[05:04] <hhee> and sync between pc and laptop
[05:04] <ivan> hhee: I just write TODO or DONE or CANCELED before the things I need to do; I move lines around with alt-up/down in Sublime Text (default bindings are less pleasant)
[05:04] <ivan> hhee: hmm I would maybe use Google Calendar if I needed reminders?
[05:04] <hhee> ivan, got it, thx a lot
[05:05] <clackamas> mikehl: you will  have to play with that regex.    But basically the () capture and the \1\2\3 are replacements.
[05:05] <mikehl> clack ^^ doesnt work
[05:05] <mikehl> ok
[05:05] <Ben64> | awk -F: '{print $18}' | sed s/..$//
[05:06] <Ben64> there, better :D
[05:06] <clackamas> You can also do something like: 's#"attchement_id".*"@".*"([a-z]+)".*"([a-z]+)".*"([a-z]+)\.zip"#\1\2\3#'
[05:07] <ivan> mikehl: that looks like a file with length prefixes on strings so you can't just replace a string with one of a different length
[05:07] <clackamas> Ben64: it's not using : consistently.
[05:07] <mikehl> bens worked
[05:07] <Ben64> of course bens worked :)
[05:07] <clackamas> cool.
[05:08] <ivan> mikehl: is it bencode?
[05:08] <mikehl> what will break this?
[05:08] <mikehl> spaces? special chars?
[05:09] <Ben64> extra :'s, inconsistent ";s" at the end of the field you want
[05:09] <clackamas> Oh, I didn't see the path embedded.
[05:10] <clackamas> well, that means I am tired and time to go to bed.
[05:10] <clackamas> Night all.
[05:10] <ivan> next up: "why is the program not loading the modified file"
[05:17] <rosarp> Hi all, I am facing issue with Dell D3100 docking station with my benq G2222HDL monitor, using ubuntu. Is this channel right to ask for help?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> !ask | rosarp yes
[05:22] <rosarp> Thanks :) , basically my setup is, ubuntu 16.04, benq G2222HDL '22 inch monitor with DVI, Dell D3100 Docking station, connecting dock to monitor via DVI-HDMI convertor. But, when I connect docking station, mouse works, lan connection works, but monitor is blank. I have also installed suggested (online) displaylink-driver-1.3.52 driver. After this it shows the monitor in display settings, but still shows blank screen. Does anyone knows if this setup works? or
[05:30] <DexDeadly> Trying to install phpmyadmin and im getting  ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[05:33] <DexDeadly> nm looks like mysql isn't starting at all which would explain it
[05:35] <Kiicki> What kinda FPS counter could you guys recommend for just check the FPS for desktop?
[05:35] <Kiicki> Like not for only games but for the actual desktop
[05:49] <Sashev> sever
[05:49] <Sashev> help
[05:59] <ivan> rosarp: does running xrandr --auto after docking fix it?
[06:03] <rosarp> ivan: no it doesn't fix. I have screen listed in 'Displays' section. When I put it 'ON', screen is blank. I can drag drop any window to other screen, but screen remains blank.
[07:03] <fyan-rava> hello
[07:03] <fyan-rava> i just came back now
[07:15] <fyan-rava> hello
[07:15] <fyan-rava> have people in here?
[07:16] <ducasse> !ask | fyan-rava
[07:23] <fyan-rava> i am looking for GUI application in ubuntu for design website, asp.net, what it?
[07:29] <Prototip> fyan-rava: someone needs to write one first
[07:29] <ejat> hi
[07:29] <ejat> not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference
[07:29] <ejat> apt: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol _ZN13pkgSourceList16AddVolatileFilesER11CommandLinePSt6vectorINSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEESaIS8_EE, version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference
[07:31] <adac> My webdav cache does not seem to be cleared
[07:31] <adac> any ideas what I can do about htis?
[07:37] <Guest64286> anybody here?
[07:38] <Guest64286> when i start my system,it goes in busybox but ubuntu
[07:38] <ikevin> Guest64286, do you see any error?
[07:39] <Guest64286> it alert uuid not exist
[07:39] <Guest64286> but i get in ubuntu by usb
[07:39] <ikevin> Guest64286, ok, your hard disk is not detected
[07:39] <Guest64286> my / 's uuid is right
[07:40] <ikevin> perhaps a kernel module that is not present in initrd image
[07:40] <Guest64286> i do not know how to fix it
[07:40] <Guest64286> may you tell me how to fix it
[07:41] <Guest64286> the ios is get from offical website
[07:42] <ikevin> Guest64286, this append when you try to boot from iso?
[07:42] <Guest64286> yes,when i boot my system
[07:42] <Guest64286> it goes in busybox
[07:42] <ikevin> how did you make the usb key?
[07:43] <Guest64286> when i boot from usb,its all right
[07:43] <Guest64286> but from disk,its wrong
[07:43] <ikevin> oh ok !
[07:43] <ikevin> is it a fresh install or you have some old kernel that work?
[07:44] <Guest64286> i format the sda4,which is used as root
[07:44] <Guest64286> the install is fresh
[07:44] <ikevin> which fs you used? default ext4?
[07:45] <Guest64286> i got it lastnigh from ubuntu.org
[07:45] <Guest64286> yes ,ext4
[07:45] <ikevin> is it hard disk, ssd, raid?
[07:45] <Guest64286> hard disk
[07:45] <ikevin> from busybox, do you see some /dev/sd* ?
[07:46] <Guest64286> no
[07:46] <Guest64286> but see uuid
[07:46] <ducasse> Guest64286: any lvm or encryption?
[07:46] <Guest64286> i dont  konw whats the meaning of lvm and encryption
[07:46] <ikevin> uuid just link to a /dev/sd???
[07:47] <Guest64286> im not good at english,sorry
[07:47] <Guest64286> the busybox just show uuid
[07:47] <Guest64286> no /dev/sda
[07:47] <Guest64286> but
[07:48] <ikevin> Guest235, does "ls /dev/sd*" show you anything?
[07:48] <Guest64286> i check the /dev/sda4's uuid
[07:48] <Guest64286> i dont try that
[07:49] <Guest64286> i tried ls
[07:49] <Guest64286> there is no /boot
[07:49] <Guest64286> but when i goes in ubuntu in usb,the /boot is exist
[07:49] <ikevin> so, on /dev, do you have anything that start by "sd" ?
[07:50] <fyan-rava> i am looking for GUI application in ubuntu for design website, asp.net, what it?
[07:51] <Guest64286> kevin,i cannot understand the meaning
[07:51] <Guest64286> i reboot now ,and try ls in busybox
[07:51] <ikevin> fyan-rava, take a look at brackets
[07:51] <ikevin> fyan-rava, http://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-dreamweaver/?platform=linux
[07:53] <Guest64286> it seems can not link to alternativeto.net from China
[07:53] <Guest64286> so terrible
[07:53] <ikevin> :(
[07:53] <Guest64286> thank you,kevin.
[08:03] <ducasse> Guest64286: the alternativeto.net link was not for you, so you don't need to read it :)
[08:32] <fyan-rava> hello
[08:33] <fyan-rava> i was remove /var/wwww/ with cmd: rm -rf  '/var/gioans.com' /var/www/
[08:33] <fyan-rava> how about undo it ?
[08:33] <ikevin> fyan-rava, testdisk :)
[08:33] <ducasse> fyan-rava: restore from backup
[08:35] <fyan-rava> how to do ?
[08:36] <necrophcodr> I have ProFTPd running (as per our systems, this is required), but connections over FTPS are very slow. Any idea how to debug this?
[08:37] <alkisg> ftp is fast and ftps is slow?
[08:37] <bviktor> any ideas why smb2 won't work on 16.04? smb1 works fine
[08:38] <ducasse> !recover | fyan-rava
[08:38] <necrophcodr> alkisg: yes
[08:38] <alkisg> necrophcodr: how much slower? give some numbers for  ftp  vs ftps
[08:38] <ducasse> fyan-rava: in short: immdeiately stop writing to the disk, and get ready for a lot of manual work
[08:38] <necrophcodr> alkisg: FTP connections take less than a second, and directory listings equally so. With FTPS, it takes more than 40 seconds.
[08:39] <alkisg> Ah, you mean that authentication part, not the download part?
[08:39] <necrophcodr> UseReverseDNS is off and so is IdentLookup
[08:39] <necrophcodr> alkisg: no, mostly directory listing
[08:39] <necrophcodr> Downloads may be slow as well, i'll check
[08:40] <alkisg> I don't think it would do dns/ident for each listing...
[08:40] <necrophcodr> yea me neither, but it's turned off anyway
[08:43] <EriC^^> fyan-rava: if you have a backup that would be easier
[08:43] <ducasse> fyan-rava: ^
[08:44] <necrophcodr> alkisg: uh.. i guess nevermind, because now the speeds have normalized. that's odd. what could cause this?
[08:44] <necrophcodr> it did not seem to be a lot of connections
[08:44] <bviktor> ah i need to add vers=2.0 to options
[09:02] <octo8> Hello, on my virtual machine of ubuntu, I want to give it a static IP Address, so me and others will be able to see the hosted website, by using the url of the ip, is this possible? it's okay if it changes when i restart my compyter, thanks.
[09:03] <ikevin> octo8, static external ip?
[09:03] <octo8> ikevin: external? i'm not sure what you mean...
[09:04] <ikevin> external ip is ip that is show over internet
[09:04] <octo8> ikevin: yes
[09:04] <ikevin> octo8, she can be static only if your internet provider give you static ips
[09:05] <octo8> ikevin: ok, not static, i want to give my virtual machine another IP that is public to all people
[09:06] <octo8> and people only see the virtual machine allocated ip, not the real one, is this possible?
[09:06] <ikevin> i'm not sure to understand
[09:06] <octo8> ikevin: say my ip of my router is x, i want to make my virtual machine ip to be z
[09:06] <octo8> is this possible ?
[09:07] <EriC^^> octo8: no i dont think it's possible, you can use your current ip that your isp gives you with nat and port forwarding so the ip shows your vm's website
[09:07] <octo8> EriC^^: ok
[09:09] <octo8> hello, why would a website use (varnish, redis, memcahed) all at the same time? isn't one of them enough?
[09:11] <madprops> gui_pane_right_size_min 200
[09:19] <action09> hi all, what's the lightest tool to cut & edit simply images (jpg) with ubuntu ?
[09:19] <stak> hi
[09:19] <ducasse> action09: xpaint, maybe?
[09:20] <action09> ducasse thx i'm going to install it. My connection is sooo slow that i can't d/l gimp . thx ! :)
[09:21] <ducasse> action09: np
[09:22] <Ben64> action09: imagemagick
[09:22] <da7niel> I'm trying to execute a python script on startup from etc/rc.local but it isn't working because the script tries to perform actions which it does not have permission for... how do I fix?
[09:22] <da7niel> ie, how do i give a script root privilege
[09:22] <Ben64> da7niel: what are you trying to have it do
[09:23] <action09> thx too Ben64
[09:23] <da7niel> it logs my active window every 10 seconds or so
[09:23] <ikevin> da7niel, use systemd and define the username you wan't
[09:24] <Ben64> da7niel: rc.local is run by root, so there is another problem
[09:25] <da7niel> Ben64: i know this, which is what confuses me; the python program tries to call another script, logactivewindow.sh which is where I'm geting "permission denied", when i run sudo sh etc/rc.local
[09:26] <da7niel> ikevin: I'm new to linux, i wanted to run this code on startup and had read to chuck it in rc.local
[09:26] <Ben64> da7niel: put what you actually want to run in rc.local
[09:27] <da7niel> Ben64: I did, and it isn't working
[09:27] <Ben64> doesn't sound like you did
[09:27] <ikevin> da7niel, does it work when you manualy run your script?
[09:27] <Ben64> instead of putting a python script that runs another script in a script called rc.local
[09:27] <Ben64> put the actual things you want to do in rc.local
[09:28] <da7niel> ikevin: yes, when i run it with root privilege. when i call sudo sh /etc/rc.local i get "permission denied" when the script tries to call logactivewindow.sh
[09:28] <Ben64> but if you're trying to do x every 10 minutes, seems like you want cron
[09:28] <da7niel> Ben64: the python script does a lot more than that
[09:29] <Ben64> explain
[09:29] <ikevin> da7niel, does your script is executable (+x)?
[09:29] <da7niel> ikevin: what do you mean by that?
[09:30] <ikevin> chmod +x  logactivewindow.sh
[09:30] <rami_> hi, how may i install virt-manager version 1.4.1 on ubuntu?
[09:30] <da7niel> ben64: it opens a connection to a local web server and processes visualisations for a UI
[09:30] <da7niel> ikevin: where would I put that?
[09:31] <ikevin> rami_, https://mytechnicalthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/compile-install-virt-manager-1-4-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[09:31] <ducasse> rami_: search for a ppa before you compile yourself
[09:31] <ikevin> da7niel, you just need to do that 1 time (it allow execution)
[09:32] <rami_> checking now
[09:32] <da7niel> ikevin: in rc.local?
[09:32] <rami_> thanks in advanced
[09:32] <fdfg> unable to install
[09:32] <ikevin> da7niel, nop, just type that in your command line
[09:33] <da7niel> ikevin: and that will give it privilege forever?
[09:33] <fdfg> no
[09:33] <k1l> fdfg: what exactly?
[09:33] <fdfg> yesh
[09:33] <fdfg> exit
[09:33] <ikevin> da7niel, yes (until you manualy do a chmod -x)
[09:34] <fdfg> huable to install ubuntu
[09:34] <fdfg> unable
[09:34] <ikevin> fdfg, do you have some error when trying to install?
[09:34] <fdfg> boot loder install fail
[09:35] <ikevin> efi?
[09:35] <EriC^^> da7niel: i dont think it is going to work anyways, as it can't access any xserver stuff, you might be better running the script after log in from your startup apps
[09:36] <ducasse> fdfg: you can run the installer without installing bootloader, then do it manually afterwards
[09:36] <fdfg> no automatic
[09:37] <alkisg> da7niel: check /etc/xdg/autostart for session services which have access to xorg, as opposed to system services
[09:37] <ducasse> fdfg: i mean you can do it manually if automatic fails
[09:37] <ducasse> fdfg: but is this efi or legacy?
[09:38] <fdfg> ok thank you, is it possible to install ununtu inside a usb stick without touching my original windows
[09:39] <ducasse> !usb | fdfg
[09:40] <akik> fdfg: short answer, yes
[09:41] <fdfg> thank you...
[09:51] <r_dudau> hello
[10:08] <dvdc> Hello. Everyone waits for 17.04 ?
[10:10] <k1l> dvdc: release is on 13.04.2017
[10:11] <dvdc> k1l i know, thank you
[10:14] <nanodrone> dvdc, k1l i didn't know
[10:15] <nanodrone> whats new in 1704
[10:16] <dvdc> kernel 4.10 afaik
[10:16] <dvdc> new artworks
[10:17] <dvdc> most important is switch from swap partition to swap files.
[10:17] <ikevin> iirc, unity8 to
[10:18] <dvdc> unity 8 is still not by default
[10:28] <nanodrone> unity8 is not ready.
[10:28] <nanodrone> snap apps are huge 80+ megs in size
[10:28] <k1l> nanodrone: that depends on the packages.
[10:29] <nanodrone> whats the smallest size it can have
[10:29] <rap> hey, I have a cannon scanner and am trying to connct it to my laptop over the network
[10:30] <rap> It works on my arch box but scanimage does not show any device on my ubuntu box
[10:30] <k1l> nanodrone: depends on whats in that snap. i guess #snappy guys can answer that specific question- the libreoffice packages are same size as the other package formats are.
[10:31] <dvdc> is it nice solution to set / mount point to ~32gb partition on ssd, and /home mount point to 1tb hdd ? i have dualboot on ssd: both ubuntu + windows ten
[10:31] <nanodrone> i've converted 3 people to ubuntu this week...
[10:32] <da7niel> so when I ls in a file, I'm seeing files with the same file extension highlighted in different green, what does this indicate?
[10:33] <da7niel> in a directory*
[10:34] <dvdc> green highlights +x files
[10:42] <s3026> hi deeeeebs
[10:49] <PCatinean> if I have a tar archive that has /home/bla/bla/bla in it and I want to restore it in the exact same form on another box
[10:49] <PCatinean> do I just untar in the root and it will take care of the rest?
[10:51] <ducasse> PCatinean: that'll work, add -p to keep permissions if you made the tarball with -p
[10:51] <PCatinean> I didn't add -p
[10:51] <ducasse> then it won't matter :)
[10:57] <EriC^^> PCatinean: it depends how you tar'd it
[10:57] <PCatinean> EriC^^, apparently with the entire folder
[10:57] <EriC^^> you can use tar -t to see how it's saved inside, like something or the full path
[10:58] <EriC^^> there's also tar -C that you can use to change the dir to where it'll be untar'd
[10:58] <ppf> so, i've got a production server here, and some dude added another apt source which contained newer versions of some packages (not a ppa). now i've got broken dependencies everywhere. after removing the apt source, what's the quickest way to reinstall+downgrade all packages that have the wrong version?
[10:59] <EriC^^> PCatinean: it should work with the entire folder i guess
[10:59] <EriC^^> might need to use sudo
[10:59] <PCatinean> EriC^^, ahh ok I get some more insight now, -C to determine where it's extract
[10:59] <EriC^^> PCatinean: yup
[10:59] <PCatinean> but if I tared /home/bla/bla/bla and I want to extract it somewhere else with C it will still save /home/bla/bla...
[10:59] <EriC^^> PCatinean: yeah that's true
[11:01] <paracusia> hello penguin friends, I tried to backup my data with an rsync incremental script via NFS - now im getting alot of "Invalid cross-device link (18)" messages - but the device is still the same - any ideas? no_root_squash is set on the nfs-server
[11:02] <nanodrone> how do i check the intel gpu dedicated video memory on ubuntu?
[11:02] <PCatinean> EriC^^, i'm having big issue with my ubuntu server, it's ssh is very slow in typing and autocmpleting and disconnects every x minutes if left alone
[11:02] <PCatinean> Have any idea why that might happen?
[11:02] <paracusia> PCatinean, check for packetloss with mtr
[11:05] <crisma274> Hi
[11:05] <PCatinean> paracusia, run locally or on the server?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:07] <crisma274> Alguien habla español?
[11:07] <k1l> crisma274: #ubuntu-es
[11:07] <crisma274> Gracias
[11:07] <crisma274> Thank
[11:07] <paracusia> PCatinean, pushing to the server
[11:08] <PCatinean> paracusia, i did mtr server
[11:08] <PCatinean> I get 5% loss on 192.168.0.1 and going down
[11:08] <paracusia> press R and wait 5 minutes
[11:08] <PCatinean> Will do, HA what a neat tool :D
[11:09] <PCatinean> thanks for showing it to me
[11:09] <paracusia> so your server is local? thats strange then
[11:09] <paracusia> there should be no loss
[11:09] <PCatinean> no its not
[11:09] <paracusia> oh ok
[11:09] <PCatinean> ah wait there'a long list here the first it 192.168.0.1
[11:09] <PCatinean> then goes all the way up to 12 to the server I need testing
[11:10] <Guest97977> Hi. Is there any text editor for ubuntu that will help me search texts E.g. *s*ul* will result soul ?
[11:11] <PCatinean> It started working better all of the sudden paracusia
[11:11] <PCatinean> wtf
[11:11] <devilking> Hey there I have a R7 360 GPU, and I checked the latest AMD drivers. They support up to 15.04 version for my hardware. should I upgrade to latest ubuntu?
[11:12] <paracusia> PCatinean, just an idea: check the arp-age on the devices between the two servers
[11:13] <sonu_nk> hi i want to create subdomain on my ubuntu server.. what is the best way any link ?
[11:13] <kwant> devilking: hi, the AMDGPU-PRO says it supports R7 360
[11:13] <paracusia> sonu_nk, for what? postfix? apache?
[11:14] <sonu_nk> apcahe
[11:14] <paracusia> google for apache2 vhost howto
[11:16] <devilking> kwant: it says it support r9 360
[11:17] <devilking> I have r7
[11:17] <PCatinean> paracusia, how do I do that?
[11:17] <PCatinean> I got 2.8% at most and the others < 1%
[11:17] <paracusia> PCatinean, if its managed switch, log in and check the arp settings
[11:18] <kwant> devilking: oh, sorry, didn't realise that even exists
[11:19] <devilking> so I guess I am stuck with the old one?
[11:19] <kwant> devilking: the open source driver is getting pretty good, so depending on your needs if your chip is supported under it, you might consider using that, I am using it for my r7 250
[11:19] <B0hr> I have been using Ubuntu for a while, since I'm writing cloud based scripts. My fellow programmers are using Arch for daily use. Is there anyone here goes for Arch after Debian based dists. Any advice would be appreciated.
[11:19] <kwant> devilking: what are you graphics needs?
[11:20] <dbsou> Hi. Is there any text editor for ubuntu that will help me search texts E.g. *s*ul* will result soul ?
[11:20] <devilking> kwant: I am using ubuntu for games
[11:21] <paracusia> dbsou, try vim and regex
[11:21] <immu_> can any one tell me where i will find audio engineers for ubuntu?
[11:21] <immu_> irc channel
[11:22] <kwant> devilking: the AMDGPU-PRO is overall better and supports Vulcan etc., but you may try to install a newer Ubuntu with the open source driver on another partition and test it, I game using the open source driver with my r7 250 (sometimes it's great, sometimes not so great)
[11:25] <dbsou> paracusia, I have the lastest ubuntu and vim is installed already but I can not run it.. No error nothing. just not running. How would I try it via terminal? Sudo run vim ?
[11:25] <devilking> kwant: thank you :-)
[11:25] <immu_> where should i go for sound related issues?
[11:26] <kwant> devilking: sure, sorry I could't do more, check Phoronix site for excellent comparisons between different drivers in popular games
[11:27] <paracusia> dbsou, "vi <file-u-want-2-edit>"
[11:27] <paracusia> dbsou, the commands in vim are a bit special, would be best to read a short guide
[11:27] <MustaKrakish> dbsou, vim file
[11:27] <paracusia> but its very powerful, dbsou
[11:28] <MustaKrakish> nothing special about running it, special options inside yes
[11:30] <ducasse> immu_: try #ubuntustudio
[11:31] <immu_> ducasse: but mine is a ubuntu sound related issue and i am using ubuntu 16.10
[11:31] <ducasse> immu_: so?
[11:32] <immu_> ducasse so i want someone to pick the bug report again and do something about it?
[11:32] <ducasse> immu_: you have already filed a bug?
[11:33] <immu_> ducasse yup, long ago, have added a upstream bug kernel report also.
[11:33] <ducasse> immu_: were you asked for additional info or to do anything after filing it?
[11:34] <immu_> ducasse:  yup, have updated that also, but no activity , do you want to look into it?
[11:34] <Subham> hiii
[11:35] <ducasse> immu_: no, i'm not that familiar with sound issues. if you've filed a bug report there isn't really much you can do other than provide any info you're asked for.
[11:36] <Worki> hey, im trying to follow a log stream with tail -f (or rather something similar) and have it displayed until a specific line comes, and then i want to return to the shell. is that possible with the existing tools somehow ?
[11:37] <immu_> ducasse:  do you know one one from the sound department?
[11:39] <Ben64> immu_: we don't have a sound department
[11:39] <ducasse> immu_: there are no 'departments' - this is not microsoft :) there are 'teams', though, but i wouldn't nag people directly if i were you. they already do the best they can.
[11:39] <BluesKaj> immu_, why not state your issue and perhaps someone can help
[11:42] <immu_> i have a alienware14 laptop with Realtek ALC3661 audio chipset, and this chipset is not well support or its incomplete and the sound output doesnt make sure of the in-built sub-woofer which i have to manualy set by using hdajackreset to set a unconnected pin to Lineout LFE channel
[11:42] <immu_> BluesKaj, ducasse: there you go my issue
[11:43] <ducasse> immu_: then you really just need to wait for someone to improve the driver. have you tried newer kernels?
[11:45] <immu_> ducasse: yup 4.10 from the mainline kernel
[11:45] <ducasse> immu_: no improvement?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> immu_, have you checked alsamixer vol ctl settings etc , automute disabled there  etc? Then there's pulseaudio as well, check your audio out settings there troo
[11:48] <BluesKaj> immu_, and make sure your snd-hda-intel driver loaded properly , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[11:48] <immu_> ducasse, BluesKaj: once i toggle the unconnected pin and set it, sound does improve, i can work but need clear instructions as what do to do and what data to collect to ge the job done
[11:49] <immu_> also by acl3661 chipset is identified as some other name c8 series audiochipset
[11:49] <immu_> for which i have filed a other bug
[11:50] <BluesKaj> immu_, the realtek soundcard uses an intel audio chip
[11:51] <immu_> also in windows i have three sound profiles, stereo, quadraphonic and 5.1
[11:51] <immu_> but in Ubuntu i only see stereo and 4.0 sround output
[11:51] <immu_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1516025
[11:52] <dbsou> I can not figure out how to search a text like this E.g word is: supper and It will able to find it as s*per
[11:52] <dbsou> anyone good ad regexr search?
[11:53] <Ben64> immu_: longshot, but have you tried messing with acpi_osi
[11:53] <scottjl> dbsou: if you're trying to find an exact match, then just use the pattern you want to match
[11:54] <vertz> Hi! why is chrome so insanely slow when you have two open on different workspaces? (yes i know you can disable hardware access, but then the browser is useless)
[11:55] <scottjl> vertz: ask google?
[11:55] <selckin> because your hardware acell isn't working
[11:55] <dbsou> scottjl,  What I want is find a word E.g "supper" by typing "s*er"
[11:56] <Ben64> dbsou: s[a-z]*er
[11:56] <scottjl> dbsou: ok. so then search for s*er but you will find a lot of words beside supper that way
[11:56] <dbsou> Ben64, Let me try that
[11:56] <vertz> scottjl: i have asked, several times
[11:56] <BluesKaj> immu_, yes reading about the bug now
[11:57] <akik> immu_: you can run commands when sound modules are loaded. would that help?
[11:57] <vertz> scottjl: its only in unity
[11:57] <scottjl> ugh unity
[11:57] <vertz> ya fuck itr
[11:57] <vertz> switching to something else
[11:57] <Mobius164> firefox vs chrome. what do you guys think?
[11:57] <scottjl> i3 for life!
[11:58] <scottjl> or until something better comes around
[11:58] <BluesKaj> immu_, what does your alsmixer show , screenshot please
[11:58] <BluesKaj> alsamixer , immu_
[11:58] <dbsou> Ben64, This is worked! Thank you!
[11:58] <scottjl> dbsou:  just note that pattern is going to match a lot of other things
[11:59] <BluesKaj> immu_,  we have to start at the beginning
[11:59] <Ben64> will match swordmaker
[12:00] <scottjl> swordswallower
[12:00] <scottjl> seer
[12:00] <Ben64> spectrofluorimeter
[12:01] <scottjl> specialhobknobber
[12:01] <immu_> BluesKaj: i have the screenshots where should i put them up
[12:02] <BluesKaj> imgur.com  immu_
[12:02] <scottjl> never underestimate the power of a badly written regexp
[12:02] <immu_> see, i get soundoutput, and its better than before as i watch most videos on youtube, its a lot better BluesKaj
[12:03] <dbsou> how can I install regexr to via terminal?
[12:04] <dbsou> will sudo apt regexr work?
[12:04] <Ben64> dbsou: no
[12:04] <immu_> http://imgur.com/a/2FoEt BluesKaj
[12:04] <Ben64> dbsou: no idea what regexr is
[12:04] <BluesKaj> immu_, well if we check out your settings and correct any problems  the sound will be the best we can do
[12:04] <k1l> dbsou: is that a windows program?
[12:05] <immu_> http://imgur.com/a/1d33x BluesKaj
[12:05] <ducasse> dbsou: 'regexxer'
[12:05] <dbsou> Ben64, What do you mean. You just gave me the word worked for Regexr
[12:05] <dbsou> http://www.regexr.com/
[12:05] <scottjl> dbsou: apt install regexxer
[12:05] <immu_> those two images are of alsamixer of before and after images, upon toggling the pin in hdajackrestask
[12:05] <immu_> BluesKaj:
[12:06] <dbsou> is regexxer and regexr same thing?
[12:06] <Ben64> dbsou: that's a website
[12:06] <Ben64> you can't apt-get a website
[12:06] <immu_> similar issue is also present in Alienware 18 laptop
[12:06] <dbsou> Ben64, They have a desktop version but page opens empty.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> immu_, how does it sound with automute disabled in alsamixer?
[12:06] <Ben64> dbsou: you should explain what you actually want to accomplish
[12:07] <dbsou> I thought you are using the program as you knew the way to searc in it.
[12:07] <scottjl> +1 ben64
[12:07] <immu_> BluesKaj: never tried it
[12:07] <dbsou> Ben64, Sure.
[12:07] <ducasse> dbsou: regular expressions work across a wide range of tools and libraries, not just that website
[12:07] <BluesKaj> immu_, use the down arrow key to disable automute
[12:08] <immu_> BluesKaj:  its already disabled
[12:08] <dbsou> Ben64, I have gedit and vim installed on my ubuntu... I have a text file with so many words in it. I want to find words E.g: "supper" search by "s*er"
[12:08] <dbsou> How do I do that in gedit?
[12:08] <scottjl> dbsou: sed will do that from the command line if you're just looking for matches
[12:08] <k1l> dbsou: use grep
[12:09] <Ben64> yeah i don't think gedit does regex
[12:09] <Southern_Gentlem> dbsou, in gedit check you menu (or check the icons on the top right there is a find)
[12:09] <immu_> http://imgur.com/a/RjvED  BluesKaj
[12:09] <immu_> check this one
[12:10] <BluesKaj> immu_, ok what about pulseaudio, what settings do you have there?
[12:11] <immu_> normal, same as whats reflecting here
[12:11] <BluesKaj> immu_, I don't muck about with jack , that's mainly for mixing input sources etc for recording
[12:12] <dbsou> Ben64, Does ubuntu has anything installed on default that can do the same search?
[12:12] <dbsou> I am now confused. EVeryone said one alternative tool..
[12:12] <k1l> dbsou: yes, "grep" on cli
[12:12] <Ben64> dbsou: many things, k1l said grep
[12:12] <immu_> yup, did you check the bug report i had also filed
[12:13] <BluesKaj> immu_, there' nothing "normal " about pulseaudio, we need to know what it's settings are
[12:13] <immu_> you want screenshots of the PA mixer
[12:14] <BluesKaj> immu_, do you have pavucontrol installed?
[12:15] <immu_> yup i do BluesKaj
[12:16] <immu_> wait i will give you the screenshots
[12:16] <BluesKaj> check PA pavucontrol audio out settings, immu_ , there should be multichannel options there
[12:16] <dbsou> for a txt file at desktop the syntax is grep z[a-z]*ir words (words is the name of the txt)
[12:16] <scottjl> dbsou: this is unix, there are a dozen ways to do the same task.
[12:17] <dbsou> can you just teach me one of them please.. All I want to do is searching this z[a-z]*ir in a text file
[12:17] <k1l> dbsou: then use grep for it. did it work?
[12:18] <ducasse> dbsou: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep
[12:19] <dbsou> k1l, I don't know how to use grep. I will read the link ducasse just gave.
[12:19] <immu_> http://imgur.com/a/En7cd BluesKaj : check and tell
[12:19] <Ben64> dbsou: "man grep" and look at the top few lines, it tells you how to use it
[12:19] <k1l> dbsou: "grep searchword /path/to/file"  add regexp or parameters as wanted
[12:21] <dbsou> was pretty simple actually expect of the path
[12:21] <dbsou> my words.txt at desktop
[12:21] <dbsou> how do I navigate desktop
[12:21] <k1l> "cd" like on dos
[12:21] <scottjl> ~/Desktop/file.txt.
[12:21] <dbsou> grap z[a-z]*ir words didn't work
[12:22] <immu_> BluesKaj: its more of driver support issue then something else, with software support
[12:22] <Ben64> it isn't grap, and if the file isn't called "words" in your current directory it won't work
[12:22] <BluesKaj> immu_, in pavucontrl drop down built in audio, choose "analog surround 4.0" output for your laptop speakers, your subwoofer should work with that setting
[12:23] <dbsou> db@dbpc:~$ grep z[a-z]*ir  ~/Desktop/file.txt
[12:23] <dbsou> grep: /home/db/Desktop/file.txt: No such file or directory
[12:23] <scottjl> ok. where is your file?
[12:24] <dbsou> at desktop
[12:24] <Ben64> dbsou: is it called "file.txt"
[12:24] <k1l> dbsou: details matter a lot here. if you have no clue where the file is, then dont expect the program to find the file when you give the wrong place or name
[12:24] <dbsou> jesus dump me!
[12:24] <dbsou> so sorry
[12:24] <immu_> BluesKaj: its 4.0 profile not a 4.1, and what i am looing is at 2.1 profile
[12:25] <immu_> *looking
[12:25] <dbsou> now it works.. with correct name and without ".txt"
[12:25] <k1l> dbsou: you can use "tab completion" to let the shell complete the path and name of files.
[12:26] <dbsou> k1l,  you mean a whole folder with multiple .txt files?
[12:28] <ducasse> !tab | dbsou
[12:28] <k1l> dbsou: no, write "cd D" in a new terminal, then press the tab key two times.
[12:29] <dbsou> What should search line look like if I am looking for a word that uses a m s r d result: amsterdam
[12:29] <k1l> !regexp
[12:29] <BluesKaj> immu_, ok, then pulse audio doesn't see your actual hardware. What other choices does the "Built in audio Digital Surround" drop down give you?
[12:30] <immu_> BluesKaj: HDMI output
[12:30] <BluesKaj> immu_, that's all?
[12:31] <Ben64> dbsou: use the same method i showed you earlier
[12:31] <ducasse> dbsou: 'man 7 regex'
[12:32] <dbsou> Ben64,  I am just confused with the order before or after []
[12:33] <Ben64> dbsou: what do you mean
[12:33] <immu_> BluesKaj: http://imgur.com/a/En7cd check the latest pic below
[12:33] <dbsou> Ben64, I mean z[a-z]*ir   z is before [] and ir is after... What if I  want to search characters with no word... like rsmtr gives result amsterdam
[12:34] <immu_> i am booting into a new kernel ok 4.10.8 will see what it throws up yeah BluesKaj
[12:34] <immu_> brb
[12:34] <Ben64> dbsou: but amsterdam doesn't contain rsmtr
[12:35] <BluesKaj> immu_, I think pulseaudio/pavucontrol  is blocking your options. Personally I don't use pulseaudio with my intel audio equipped machines. That's a decision you have to make on your own.
[12:35] <dbsou> it does a "m" "s" "t" e "r" dam
[12:35] <dbsou> with different order
[12:35] <Ben64> completely different from what you asked earlier
[12:35] <SCHAAP137> i'm in Amsterdam
[12:36] <dbsou> Ben64, Right...
[12:36] <immu_> BluesKaj: so u must be using ALSA?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:36] <Ben64> dbsou: pipe together a bunch of greps
[12:36] <dbsou> I was just trying to understand.. I guess this is next step.
[12:36] <immu_> BluesKaj:
[12:36] <dbsou> Ben64, do you mind to give an example
[12:36] <immu_> why so? any particular reason BluesKaj
[12:37] <Ben64> dbsou: grep pattern file | grep pattern | grep pattern | grep pattern
[12:37] <dbsou> Ben64, With no order?
[12:37] <ducasse> dbsou: you really should be reading some documentation on regular expressions, try http://www.regular-expressions.info/
[12:38] <immu_> BluesKaj: going for a reboot brb
[12:38] <dbsou> like grep s words | grep r words | grep m words | grep d words |
[12:38] <Ben64> dbsou: nope read what i said
[12:40] <dbsou> thats what I got from piping together a bunch of greps..
[12:41] <PCatinean> Hey guys, how do I make a proper backup with just a ftp server?
[12:41] <PCatinean> And also do backup rotation and such?
[12:41] <dbsou> Ben64, I will read that... thanks for link. Ubuntu had so limited at their page.
[12:41] <Ben64> PCatinean: can't do a proper anything with ftp
[12:41] <CrazySane> Good morning. On Friday I rebooted my primary VM Host (Ubuntu 16.04) and the console filled with this: https://imgur.com/a/dcA0t
[12:42] <CrazySane> This morning, checking dmesg I'm filled with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24306391/
[12:43] <CrazySane> log is flooded with journald messages.
[12:44] <PCatinean> damn...
[12:45] <sharko> hello
[12:46] <sharko> can someone kindly explain this
[12:46] <sharko> what is the echo '/'
[12:46] <dbsou> this is more than I can figure out
[12:46] <sharko> the backslash
[12:46] <Ben64> sharko: that's a forward slash
[12:46] <sharko> and what is the > that shows up when i enter the above command
[12:46] <sharko> \*
[12:46] <Ben64> it's an escape character
[12:47] <sharko> what does it do
[12:47] <Ben64> escapes things
[12:47] <anonym> hi all
[12:47] <Ben64> like if you have a file called *, it'd be hard to ls properly
[12:47] <Ben64> so you could do ls \*
[12:48] <sharko> aha
[12:49] <sharko> so in echo case
[12:49] <sharko> what does it escape exactly
[12:49] <sharko> that the command is not complete ?
[12:49] <ducasse> sharko: if you don't want the shell to expand a * you put \ in front of it.
[12:49] <Ben64> give an example
[12:51] <CrazySane> yea. ls \* is a good example
[12:51] <ducasse> sharko: so 'echo \*' will simply print a '*'
[12:51] <helloUb16InVB> I'm running ubuntu 16.10 inside virtualbox on win10. When I click the password promp on the login screen the login screen disapears for a little while before I appear logged into to a temporary guest session. Can't login to normal user.
[12:51] <CrazySane> but ls * (without the slash) will print the content of the working directory
[12:52] <alexis> Hi, I'm having some trouble making my scanner driver work properly, I'm running 16.10 and the scanner is a brother DCP 7055W. I've installed the drivers successfully *but* it actually refuses to scan: when I use simplescan and try, it tells me that it got "troubles contacting the scanner".
[12:52] <sharko> ls example is a good one
[12:52] <sharko> but i can't relate it to the echo
[12:52] <alexis> Anyone have an idea about what I can do to solve this? Thanks!
[12:52] <sharko> damn
[12:52] <sharko> thanks anyhow
[12:52] <ducasse> sharko: try 'echo *' and then 'echo \*'
[12:53] <CrazySane> sharko: Anywhere in BASH that you put a star will expand into the wildcard. Preceeding it with a \ negates that expansion.
[12:53] <dbsou> Ben64, I guess found it ! grep z ~/Desktop/words | grep ü | grep f | grep
[12:53] <dbsou> that worked.. thanks for the page
[12:54] <CrazySane> lol @ Ben64's "can't do a proper anything with FTA"
[12:54] <CrazySane> FTP*
[12:54] <Ben64> it's true
[12:54] <CrazySane> so true
[12:55] <immu_> BluesKaj: back
[12:56] <BluesKaj> immu_, I use the digital spdif, hdmi and analog audio outs from my soundcard to a 5.1 audio receiver, which I then use for switching audio inputs depending on the audio content/audio codecs.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> immu_, The analog output is basic converted pcm to analog audio, whereas the spdif provides Dolby Digital or DTS digital signals converted in the audio DAC on the receiver.
[12:56] <CrazySane> It's off the page on my screen, so I'm going to ask again. Good morning. On Friday I rebooted my primary VM Host (Ubuntu 16.04) and the console filled with this: https://imgur.com/a/dcA0t This morning, checking dmesg I'm filled with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24306391/ log is flooded with journald messages.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> all without pulseaudio, immu_
[12:57] <immu_> BluesKaj: ok is their any audio speaker system which accepts HDMI as the output port/jack
[12:58] <BluesKaj> not that i know of, immu_
[13:00] <ducasse> CrazySane: i think there is a systemd channel here on freenode, try there.
[13:00] <CrazySane> ducasse: thanks
[13:00] <BluesKaj> immu_, you could try alsa without pulseaudio and if alsa direct doesn't work for you then you can just reinstall pulse
[13:04] <immu_> so how do i remove pulseaudio without breaking my system i want to try that option
[13:04] <immu_> BluesKaj:
[13:05] <BluesKaj> immu_, sudo apt purge pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils , then reboot
[13:05] <dbsou> Why did not included words ending with "mi" > grep z[a-z]*mi ~/Desktop/words | grep ü | grep f | grep
[13:06] <immu_> BluesKaj: anything else?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> immu_, nope, when reboot we'll setup alsamixer
[13:06] <BluesKaj> rebooted
[13:07] <CrazySane> immu_: See you soon!
[13:07] <CrazySane> !cookie | BluesKaj
[13:07] <immu_> i am on ubuntu and its planning to remove a lot of things
[13:07] <BluesKaj> CrazySane, we're only starting
[13:07] <CrazySane> I know it. I believe in positive reinforcement. :)
[13:07] <poinku> Like what?
[13:09] <immu_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24306565/ CrazySane BluesKaj check and advise? i hope i am not left with a unbootable desktop
[13:10] <CrazySane> Is Unity dependent on Pulse?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> immu_, ubuntu desktop?? wy=th
[13:10] <CrazySane> !info pulseaudio
[13:10] <BluesKaj> it shouldn't be unless something in the kernel modules ahs changed
[13:10] <BluesKaj> has
[13:11] <donofrio> so the only way to get 17.04 today on powerpc is to install 16.04 and run 'do-release-upgrade' ;(
[13:11] <BluesKaj> immu_, ok forget it , abort
[13:11] <donofrio> cause 16.10 powerpc is working great, thank you folks for all you do (don't remove repo's for powerpc for years please...)
[13:12] <donofrio> my 15 year old TiBookG4 is alive and well... along with my ibook and my macmini's and my g5's ;)
[13:12] <immu_> BluesKaj: ok noted aborting wont shag my system
[13:12] <ikonia> donofrio: thats really nice to hear, some of the older current PPC builds have not been well maintained, so it's great to hear 16.10 is on track
[13:12] <BluesKaj> immu_, guess yoy're stuck with pulseaudio if you run unity
[13:12] <CrazySane> BluesKaj: listed as a dep now. http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-desktop
[13:12] <immu_> BluesKaj: which ubuntu are you running?
[13:12] <CrazySane> since precise (or farther back?)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> wow, glad I run kde/plasma
[13:13] <donofrio> ikonia, I'm a lubuntu powerpc used (such goodness....) this is a great disto and I wanna keep using it for decades to come....
[13:13] <BluesKaj> immu_, kubuntu 17.04 dev
[13:13] <ikonia> donofrio: well, don't hold your breath, but thats really good to hear it's working well
[13:13] <immu_> ok
[13:13] <donofrio> ikonia, just had to add agpmode-1 from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1571416 to my yaboot.conf the ybin -v and poof a working notebook
[13:14] <CrazySane> thanks ubottu XD
[13:14] <mark76> !duff
[13:14] <dvdc_> Terror attack in St.Petersburg, Russia. 2 blasts on subway
[13:15] <ikonia> dvdc_: not for this channel
[13:15] <dvdc_> :-(
[13:15] <dvdc_> i know. sorry
[13:15] <ikonia> the don't do it
[13:15] <CrazySane> dvdc_: thanks - but we don't come here for news :(
[13:15] <k1l> dvdc_: this channel is technical support only. there are other channels for social chat
[13:15] <BluesKaj> wow poetering sure has his claws intio Ubuntu, what a shame
[13:15] <dvdc_> ok, sorry.
[13:15] <CrazySane> Good morning, k1l
[13:16] <CrazySane> The systemd channel has been no help in my quest to clean my logs of journald messages. :(
[13:18] <ducasse> CrazySane: they didn't know or you got no answer?
[13:19] <CrazySane> A few vague "is that a debug" etc. But no comments as to where it comes from or how to hunt it down.
[13:19] <CrazySane> Perhaps the folks that can help are still afk this morning.
[13:21] <blackflow> CrazySane: what do you mean "clean your logs of journald messages"?
[13:21] <CrazySane> Perhaps I have something turned on for a remote logger and have forgotten? I'll do some more Googling.
[13:22] <CrazySane> blackflow: https://imgur.com/a/dcA0t   Received pages of these during a reboot.
[13:22] <octo8> hello, when i ' cat /etc/*release ' ... i get this system information http://pastecode.org/index.php/view/raw/82595674 , ... it looks like a 7.2.1511 centos, my question is, which file of these is correct ? http://vault.centos.org/7.2.1511/isos/x86_64/ for me to install the very same image... ? thanks
[13:22] <CrazySane> blackflow: Now my dmesg is filled with these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24306391/
[13:22] <k1l> octo8: this is #ubuntu :)
[13:22] <immu_> BluesKaj: well that settles the case :)
[13:22] <CrazySane> !centos | octo8
[13:23] <CrazySane> Really? We need a quick code for that one. XD
[13:23] <DJones> octo8: I think centos support is in #centos
[13:23] <BluesKaj> immu_, yup, unless you switch to a different desktop
[13:24] <ducasse> CrazySane: 'failed to..' what? we're missing the important bit of those messages :)
[13:24]  * octo8 goes to centos
[13:24]  * CrazySane waves to coto8
[13:24] <CrazySane> ugh
[13:24] <blackflow> CrazySane: oh so you mean you want to stop those being logged? I thought you meant clean up previous (which I'm not sure can be done).
[13:24] <CrazySane> blackflow: correct.
[13:26] <CrazySane> ducasse: failed to forward..
[13:26] <CrazySane> ducasse: in hindsight, I should have taken a better picture, but it was late in my day Friday. XD
[13:28] <blackflow> CrazySane: seems like debug log level on the journald service itself
[13:28] <gh0st> hello
[13:29] <gh0st> i have a serious problem guys
[13:29] <CrazySane> blackflow: where do I set the loglevel for journald?
[13:29] <CrazySane> !ask | gh0st
[13:31] <CrazySane> blackflow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24306651/   Nothing configured in conf.
[13:31] <blackflow> CrazySane: LogLevel param in the systemd-journald.service unit file. Do you have a package override for it under /etc/systemd/system/ ?
[13:31] <CrazySane> let me check
[13:31] <blackflow> CrazySane: journald.conf is logger config, I meant this is probably the log level of the service itself
[13:32] <gh0st> I have some power.mngmt problems so the screen goes off but pc keeps on, i shut it down with power botton and after restart i lost some of my most important datas, all of them where previously saved on my hdd and not in execution
[13:32] <CrazySane> blackflow: no. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24306661/
[13:33] <ducasse> CrazySane: you're getting these messages in dmesg? try setting MaxLevelKMsg to 'info' or 'notice'
[13:34] <CrazySane> ducasse: The picture is of the console during reboot. The first pastebin is from dmesg. I'm sorry, where do I set this?
[13:35] <ducasse> CrazySane: journald.conf, but you should probably track down why these debug messages are being sent in the first place
[13:35] <CrazySane> ducasse: that would be wonderful. XD
[13:36] <paracusia> hello penguin friends, I tried to backup my data with an rsync incremental script via NFS - now im getting alot of "Invalid cross-device link (18)" messages - but the device is still the same - any ideas? no_root_squash is set on the nfs-server
[13:36] <CrazySane> It's my primary VM host, so unfortunately, I can't just shut it down to see the journald messages fly by agai.
[13:36] <ducasse> CrazySane: i'm talking about the watchdog spam
[13:37] <CrazySane> thats in dmesg
[13:38] <ducasse> CrazySane: if you change that setting and reload journald's config, it should no longer send them so you see them in dmesg.
[13:38] <blackflow> CrazySane: well, you can try adding the LogLevel=warn under a new section "[Manager]" in /lib/systemd/system/systemd-journald.service, run systemctl daemon-reload. If that fixes your issue, you can copy the unit file under /etc/systemd/system as the one under /lib will be overrwritten on next update to the package
[13:40] <blackflow> CrazySane: or perhaps raise the overall default LogLevel to warn, as it's currently info. Not sure if that's what you want.
[13:41] <CrazySane> blackflow: where do you see that Loglevel?
[13:41] <blackflow> CrazySane: the default i in /etc/systemd/system.conf
[13:41] <blackflow> CrazySane: *is
[13:43] <CrazySane> That still doesn't solve the underlying problem tho? The cause of the messages? it's not hurting anything, so I think I'll wait to change anything until I come to my next reboot window and capture more data and bring it here.
[13:43] <CrazySane> Thanks for the help tho.
[13:43] <blackflow> CrazySane: I don't think the cause is an error, I think those are debug/informational messages
[13:43] <ducasse> me too.
[13:48] <mikecmpbll> does anyone have experience working with upstart jobs that can be controlled by a non-sudo user?
[13:49] <mikecmpbll> i'm struggling with it. i'm trying to set up 'session jobs'. i've put the conf files at ~/.config/upstart/*
[13:49] <mikecmpbll> but service commands don't find the job
[13:51] <ducasse> mikecmpbll: try 'initctl --user ...'
[13:51] <CrazySane> blackflow: thanks. Just not useful to fill my dmesg with the same thing over and over again.
[13:51]  * CrazySane is afk
[13:53] <mikecmpbll> ducasse : ah okay, i'll look in to this error "initctl: UPSTART_SESSION isn't set in the environment. Unable to locate the Upstart instance."
[13:53] <ashley_> hey.... so.... I am being really dumb here. How do I turn off the oxygen audio thing and get Alsa to work?
[13:54] <ducasse> mikecmpbll: is this 14.04?
[13:54] <mikecmpbll> ducasse : yes
[13:54] <mikecmpbll> i should prolly just upgrade and use systemd
[13:56] <ducasse> mikecmpbll: i have user services running under systemd, works like a charm. there are a few things to be aware of, though, but they're documented.
[13:56] <mikecmpbll> ducasse : thanks! i'll do that :)
[13:57] <ducasse> mikecmpbll: fyi - the arch wiki has a separate page on systemd user services, excellent reading.
[13:57] <mikecmpbll> ducasse: 👍🏼
[14:00] <andreandy> hello
[14:00] <Jakethepython> Hello Room I am having trouble setting up an Exchange Email in Evolution
[14:01] <compdoc> Jakethepython, I use thunderbird, but maybe its not too different. You using pop3 or imap?
[14:02] <saymoo> Exchange uses the exchange protocol afaik..
[14:02] <compdoc> it uses many protocols
[14:03] <gh0st> I have some power.mngmt problems so the screen goes off but pc keeps on, i shut it down with power botton and after restart i lost some of my most important datas, all of them where previously saved on my hdd and not in execution
[14:04] <saymoo> compdoc, well.. you need an exchange plugin
[14:04] <OerHeks> for exchange. evolution-mapi is depreciated, evolution-ews is current the plugin for evolution AFAIK
[14:04] <saymoo> hence why.. because it uses it own protocol
[14:04] <compdoc> I dont use exchange pulgins
[14:04] <saymoo> then you don't use exchange as it should be used
[14:04] <saymoo> :P
[14:05] <OerHeks> install evolution-ews, after that you can select new, Exchange Web Services server type in new account dialog.
[14:05] <compdoc> thats nonsense. imap is fine. pop3 is fine. you dont have to use it in any particular way
[14:05] <DArqueBishop> compdoc: you're assuming the Exchange admin would enable IMAP or POP3.
[14:05] <saymoo> compdoc.. sorry but that is not what exchange is about... mostly
[14:05] <compdoc> but if you want to use it like outlook, then thats fine too
[14:06] <compdoc> lol. exchange uses industry standard clients and protocols.
[14:06] <saymoo> omg
[14:06] <saymoo> yes it can do that do... that beyond the point..
[14:08] <andreandy> I have a situation I'd appreciate any input in:
[14:08] <saymoo> if someone askes to connect to an exchange server.. they 99percent of the case, mean: using the exchange protocol, not plain old imap/pop3...
[14:08] <andreandy> A friend installed Midori on her recently installed Xubuntu system. The default browser was too slow for her pc. Once installed, she clikced the Midori icon to run the program, and before she had opportunity to type any website or anything, the browser loaded a scammaer script.
[14:08] <saymoo> asks&
[14:08] <andreandy> here are the photos of here screen:
[14:08] <andreandy> 	 http://imgur.com/1tDWo7N
[14:08] <andreandy> http://imgur.com/RX5YBY4
[14:08] <compdoc> saymoo, you shouldnt make assumptions about how any person uses a product, or even how its 'supposed' to be used
[14:08] <andreandy> She clicked "cancel", closed Midori and then launched again. It opened as i expect it should have the first time:
[14:09] <andreandy> http://imgur.com/bH1Bwsz
[14:09] <andreandy> I just want to understand how this could happen... no previos Midori hisotry... so maybe Midori exproted history from the other browser? Or maybe we should be concerned that my firends computer or the Midori package  has some sort of virus?
[14:09] <andreandy> 	 BTW, I posted this on the Ubuntu forums and it got jailed.. they thougn I was doing an aprils fool jike i think
[14:10] <saymoo> compdoc, ok.. let's agree to disagree on the assumption part for exchange..... *shakes hand*
[14:10] <saymoo> :)
[14:10] <akik> it's better to concentrate on facts rather than opinions
[14:12] <OerHeks> andreandy, odd, remove ~/.config/midori  and start the browser again.
[14:12] <Jakethepython> basically our company is trying to change over to  Linux based everything from Microsoft based. So i am trying to make it as "seemless" as possible for people
[14:13] <saymoo> everything.. including swapping exchange eventually?
[14:13] <saymoo> or only clients
[14:13] <andreandy> OerHerks will do
[14:13] <DArqueBishop> compdoc: again, the assumption you're making is that IMAP or POP3 is enabled on the Exchange server Jakethepython is using. There's a better than even chance that it is not. It's better that he uses the actual Evolution-ews plugin, because at least there's a much better chance that it will work.
[14:20] <zh1> how can i upgrade from ubuntu 16.10 to 17.04 via cli?
[14:20] <OerHeks> zh1, use the -d development option.
[14:20] <k1l> zh1: use the developer switch
[14:21] <zh1> OerHeks, k1l  do-release-upgrade -d ?
[14:21] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/897053/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-17-04-from-16-04-using-command-line
[14:21] <Dreaman> k1l  kak e nervaka :)
[14:21] <ikonia> zh1: I'd advise caution here
[14:21] <zh1> ikonia why?
[14:21] <ikonia> if you're not even sure how to upgrade, upgrading seems a dangerous  move
[14:21] <k1l> zh1: yes, but its still not released, so its on your own risk :)
[14:22] <tsglove> I say he breaks it, and then fixes it.   Best way to learn.
[14:22] <zh1> ikonia, i have done multiple times no stress
[14:22] <ikonia> then why don't you know how to upgrade if you've done it multiple times ?
[14:24] <zh1> k1l, ikonia, OerHeks though that this was stable, ah ok still dev, maybe have to wait...
[14:24] <ikonia> it's pre-release, how can it be stable ?
[14:24] <k1l> zh1: release is on 13.04.2017
[14:24] <Dreaman> i use 17.04
[14:24] <Dreaman> si good
[14:24] <ikonia> Dreaman: so ?
[14:24] <Dreaman> is
[14:24] <ikonia> so ?
[14:25] <tsglove> ikonia, you should   sudo apt install happiness
[14:25] <ikonia> I am happy
[14:25] <k1l> Dreaman: i told you not to tell users to run unstable releases before and even kicked you for that. why dont you stop that?
[14:26] <Dreaman> 1 week final
[14:26] <Dreaman> hahha
[14:26] <Dreaman> is unteable
[14:26] <Dreaman> phahhaha
[14:27] <mamed> hi guys. i have a question. i want to make partition of my whole disk and i want to install ubuntu to only first 20 gb(for example). how can i do that?
[14:27] <EriC^^> mamed: choose in the installer "Something else" and partition it as you want
[14:27] <hron84> Hi! I'm using Ubuntu Xenial (16.04.2) with MATE desktop. I'm installed Bluetooth-related packages, and BT is working properly with the other parts of the desktop but neither Caja nor Nautilus have a menu for sending files/pictures via BT. I already paired my phone with the laptop, so it shouldn't be the issue, the phone says BT connection is OK.
[14:27] <mamed> thanks EriC^^ i tried that but grub could not be installed (
[14:28] <ikonia> mamed: thats not really going to work
[14:28] <mamed> must i create boot and swap partitions by hand
[14:28] <EriC^^> mamed: are you in the live usb right now?
[14:28] <mamed> not in live usb but dvd
[14:28] <ikonia> named you need to make the partition fit the sizes you want
[14:28] <ikonia> unless I've not understood what you're asking
[14:28] <EriC^^> mamed: no, no need for swap if you dont want hibernation, and boot isn't required either
[14:28] <hron84> Nautilis misses the "Send to..." menu completely even if nautilus-sendto is installed. Caja has a "Send to..." menu but no Bluetooth option is available.
[14:28] <EriC^^> mamed: open a terminal and type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" and see what it says
[14:29] <mamed> iknoa. my disk is 500 gb. i created two partitions one is 20 gb and rest of it is the other part. i want to install ubuntu to this 20 gb partition
[14:29] <ikonia> mamed: then I did miss-understand
[14:29] <mamed> EriC^^:  i dont have efi bios
[14:30] <mamed> no problem ikonia
[14:30] <EriC^^> mamed: ok, type "sudo parted -l" and see what it says next to partition table type
[14:30] <mamed> EriC^^: btw the method i follow works in arch linux
[14:30] <mcphail> mamed: how did you create the partitions?
[14:31] <mamed> mcphail: from redo disk cloner
[14:31] <mamed> my aim is to create a standard disk image for same qualified machines
[14:31] <EriC^^> mamed: ok, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[14:31] <Jakethepython> Evolution doesn't seem to save my account in accounts
[14:31] <mamed> so that i will only copy image
[14:32] <mamed> EriC^^: i am not in front of the machine. just came here to get some advice
[14:32] <mamed> what else you can advice me
[14:32] <mcphail> mamed: I suspect that'll be your problem. There needs to be an adequate gap before your first partition (can't remember how much) these days or grub will fail to install. If you partition using a modern version of gparted or the Ubuntu installer, it will do this automatically. If you have partitioned with an older tool you need to do it manually
[14:33] <mcphail> mamed: I've hit this snag with disks partitioned from an old version of Ubuntu
[14:33] <Dreaman`> k1l you ar lame ot madnes lame
[14:33] <ikonia> Dreaman`: stop
[14:33] <mamed> i see mcphail . so i will use ubuntu 16.xx and use something else and the partition it to required size then install to that partition
[14:34] <mamed> i will try and inform you guys. maybe not today but soon. thank you so much.
[14:34] <mcphail> mamed: if you use the partitioning tool on your ubuntu 16.xx iso it will do the right thing by default, yes. Good luck!
[14:34] <mamed> thank you so much mcphail . thank you so much for the hints guys
[14:35] <vdvdfv> k1l you ar madnes lame or
[14:35] <vdvdfv> hahahah
[14:36] <ducasse> vdvdfv: stop it
[14:36] <CrazySane> ugh
[14:38] <paven> agreed, I would hold off and wait for the official release
[14:38] <paven> whoa, totally responded to something way up in my scrollback, and didn't realize it
[14:38] <paven> carry on :)
[14:40] <blackflow> k1l, the master troll slayer! :) hats off.
[14:42] <sonat12akma> hello everyone, this is my c program to test read() reading STDIN on ubuntu, but it seem like it doesnt get anything. https://pastebin.com/ZjSTdDAx
[14:42] <sonat12akma> how can I send input to my read()
[14:43] <taraleja> stana k1l kak e hawata lame
[14:44] <sonat12akma> I would be thankful for any help
[14:44] <cableguy> yo team
[14:45] <cableguy> what happens after alphabet ends
[14:45] <k1l> cableguy: that is the secret of mark shuttleworth and we will see after the 17.04 release
[14:45] <cableguy> does it reset
[14:45] <cableguy> dude tell me now
[14:45] <scottjl> ubuntu ends and we all install windows
[14:46] <taraleja> a stana
[14:46] <taraleja> hahah
[14:47] <aotaointbin> sonat12akma: what output are you getting?
[14:47] <hashpuppy> is there a 16.04 package for this:  https://packages.debian.org/source/testing/mtail
[14:48] <hashpuppy> or what's the easiest way to install this?
[14:48] <DJones> cableguy: From what I've read, its rumoured to start at AA again, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/ubuntu-17-10-name-clue
[14:49] <OerHeks> or tbd .. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/shuttleworth_unity_8_carrots/
[14:49] <cableguy> lets hope its not Alcoholic Anonymous
[14:49] <huhuhuuh> :)~
[14:49] <sonat12akma> when I run and type input, the output is "aaaaaaa | -1 | False or got EOF"
[14:49] <sonat12akma> any help please
[14:50] <aotaointbin> have you tried piping input to it? e.g. echo "foo" | ./a.out
[14:52] <sonat12akma> yes, I tried echo "" | ./a.out, with cat command, or ./a.out << myfile with_in_put
[14:52] <sonat12akma> but it seem doesnt work
[14:52] <EriC^> sonat12akma: use char buf[40] instead of char *buf
[14:52] <EriC^> sonat12akma: also in the first printf use "%s", buf to get the output instead of %d, len
[14:53] <sonat12akma> eric: thank you, i will try it
[14:53] <huhuhuuh> fuck you k1l ;0
[14:53] <huhuhuuh> :)
[14:53] <EriC^> sonat12akma: no problem
[14:54] <sud0> is there a proper gdrive implementation for Ubuntu? (or any gnu-linux distro)
[14:54] <aotaointbin> oh, yea, sonat12akma, you need to allocate a buffer.
[14:54] <sud0> to be honest gnome's approach sucks.
[14:54] <sud0> and we're waiting more than 5 years for google's implementation
[14:54] <aotaointbin> char *buf is a pointer to a buffer, but you never allocate the buffer to begin with.
[14:54] <mazhar> hello there :))
[14:55] <aotaointbin> either  char buf[40]  or  char *buf = (char *) malloc(40);  free(buf);
[14:56] <sonat12akma> thanks everyone, char buf[40] worked :)
[14:56] <aotaointbin> that's the static allocation way. malloc/free is the dynamic allocation way.
[14:57] <aotaointbin> it's been so long since i wrote C that i didn't even think of memory allocation :P
[14:57]  * aotaointbin shakes a fist at python and java
[14:58] <k1l> sud0: imho the reason is, google wants you to use their webservices and as no interest in integration like dropbox integration there is.
[14:58] <Score_Under> I want to start an apt repository for the company I'm in, as part of a partial migration away from CentOS. However, that means I don't have many of the dpkg related scripts. How can I go about creating a repository? I've so far got apt to see the repository and not complain when updating it, but it never creates a file in /var/lib/apt/lists, and there's nothing to indicate why that might be
[14:58] <sonat12akma> i'm on learning python now, it's very useful
[14:59] <sud0> k1l: same thought. But maybe someone wrote something nice
[14:59] <sud0> I mean, gnome's gdrive utility is "alright", but it doesn't copy files locally
[14:59] <sud0> and it's a bit slow
[15:01] <k1l> sud0: i know. i would like a better integration, too. but i didnt find one so far
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Score_Under, good luck with that, the established repos work well, are secure and there's no reason to use alternatives
[15:01] <Score_Under> BluesKaj: that's entirely incorrect
[15:02] <Score_Under> the established repos work well and are secure, I can agree with that
[15:02] <Score_Under> but you can't just say there's no reason to use alternatives
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Score_Under, like I said, good luck then
[15:02] <ducasse> BluesKaj: he may want to add internal-only software etc
[15:03] <BluesKaj> unless of course you mean ppas and experimental devel packages
[15:03] <sud0> k1l: ok pal, lets write it.
[15:03] <sud0> just you and me vs. the world.
[15:04] <Score_Under> Should I call off the ubuntu migration then? (Not going to, but it seems like you're trying to push me that way and I want to know why)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ducasse, then he can restrict the soures list
[15:05] <jarnos> What makes system run a postinstallation script in conjunction with REMOVING a linux-image-extra package?
[15:06] <Skyrider> Greetings everyone
[15:09] <Skyrider> I recently installed ubuntu desktop, and when I removed it.. only a few MB's were removed (even after purge).
[15:09] <Skyrider> Yet all the extra dependencies that were installed, sticked around.
[15:09] <Skyrider> Why?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Skyrider, removing doesn't get rid of all the associated config files
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Skyrider, what are you trying to achieve?
[15:12] <Skyrider> Clearing up the almost 100mb ubuntu desktop installed as extra  dependencies :p
[15:12] <texla> Ubuntu-16.04.2 Error: Failed to download repository information..check your INTERNET connection..click ok window switches to no updates available
[15:12] <Skyrider> and or 'extra' packages.
[15:12] <Skyrider> that came with it.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Skyrider, going yo install a different DE?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> yo=to
[15:14] <ducasse> Skyrider: say you have package 'a' installed that suggests (but does not depend on) package 'b'. you install package 'c' that does depend on 'b', so it's installed. when you remove 'c', 'b'b will be kept as another package ('a') suggests it.
[15:16] <Skyrider> Happen to have a list what ubuntu desktop will install? And is there a comment to 'remove' all packages that 1 package installs as a list?
[15:16] <Axum> Hello, I've been running the oem-config tool on ubuntu to prep some laptops for customers. Is there a way after running the oem-config tool to get back to the oem mode if I forgot to add something without reinstalling Ubuntu to re-run oem-config?
[15:17] <ducasse> Skyrider: that would be dangerous, as other packages might (and will) depend on some of them.
[15:17] <ducasse> Skyrider: but see 'apt show ubuntu-desktop'
[15:18] <acheron-a> Skyrider, ubuntu will eventually do a purge after a few updates
[15:18] <acheron-a> mine went from 555+ files down to 349
[15:18] <ducasse> Skyrider: did you do 'apt autoremove'?
[15:19] <acheron-a> Skyrider, just leave it alone and let ubuntu do its thing
[15:22] <Skyrider> Yea, I did autoremove.
[15:22] <Skyrider> And why should I leave it alone if its using space?
[15:22] <Skyrider> I removed the ubuntu desktop, as such I don't want those extra not-needed packages laying around.
[15:23] <PipeItToDevNull> Skyrider, Why would you install them then.
[15:23] <PipeItToDevNull> Install server
[15:23] <Skyrider> I installed the desktop in attempts to have a proper remote desktop.
[15:23] <Skyrider> BUt that failed in the end, so I removed it again.
[15:24] <acheron-a> why even worry about a few hundred MB of space?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Skyrider, so you were looking for a headless sytem?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> system
[15:25] <Skyrider> I have a 80GB hdd vps server.
[15:25] <Guest32060> Hello, I need Help with apply for funding for Ubuntu LoCo Team please!
[15:25] <Skyrider> So yea.. a few hundred MB's I do care about.
[15:26] <hashpuppy> what's the easiest way to get this installed on 16.04:  https://github.com/google/mtail
[15:26] <nacc> !info mtail xenial | hashpuppy
[15:26] <PipeItToDevNull> hashpuppy, clone then run make on it
[15:26] <acheron-a> you're wasting you time, over 500 MB is wasted already on a fat32 boot partition
[15:27] <nacc> hashpuppy: build from source, i guess
[15:27] <PipeItToDevNull> acheron-a, that is very flawed logic
[15:27] <hashpuppy> k
[15:27] <PipeItToDevNull> hashpuppy, https://github.com/google/mtail/wiki/Building
[15:28] <acheron-a> i guess you don't recognize when someone is trolling
[15:30] <Guest32060> Hello, I need Help with apply for funding for Ubuntu LoCo Team please!
[15:30] <PipeItToDevNull> Always assume someone is stupid before assuming they are a troll
[15:30] <CrazySane> Never attribute to malice.. and all that
[15:31] <Pici> Guest32060: Please ask in #ubuntu-locoteams
[15:31] <texla> Ubuntu-16.04.2 Update Error: Failed to download repository information..check your INTERNET connection..click ok window switches to no updates available..How to correct
[15:35] <CrazySane> texla: can you pastebinit the entire error?
[15:35] <Skyrider> O_o
[15:35] <CrazySane> texla: sudo apt-get update | pastebinit
[15:36] <immu_> BluesKaj: whats up
[15:36] <texla> CrazySane, That is the exact error message
[15:36] <Guest32060> Pici: tahnks
[15:37] <nacc> texla: apt-get doesn't print such messages and has no 'window' -- so use the command and paste it via the above suggestion from CrazySane
[15:38] <BluesKaj> immu_, wondering what you intend to do :-)
[15:39] <immu_> installed kernel 4.10.8 and coasting on it BluesKaj
[15:39] <BluesKaj> immu_, did it help?
[15:39] <texla> CrazySane, https://pastebin.com/KwEfqkjU
[15:40] <CrazySane> texla: Opensuse packages?
[15:40] <immu_> BluesKaj: nope still the same so i applied set the pin in hdajackretask and its ok
[15:40] <CrazySane> texla: You have a bunch of unofficial repos in your list file? Did you intend to have them there?
[15:41] <nacc> texla: it would also appear you are using pacakges intended for wily and vivid on xeniaal, which is not recommended
[15:41] <CrazySane> texla: could you do this next, so we can see the repo list:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[15:41] <BluesKaj> immu_, well that helps then
[15:43] <immu_> BluesKaj:  yeah for now
[15:44] <texla> CrazySane, https://pastebin.com/qdQBi42A
[15:44] <OerHeks> texla,  you better check ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for those ppa's, vivid getdeb amd colomboem? remove those entries
[15:46] <BluesKaj> immu_, I found this, not sure it will work but check it out and tell me what you think, http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio/HOW-TO:_Disable_PulseAudio_and_use_ALSA_(without_removing_PulseAudio)_for_Ubuntu
[15:46] <regedit> is my hardware dying? was getting blk_update_request i/o error trying to login https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DH3XONjK/20170403_114326-1.jpg
[15:47] <OerHeks> regedit, disks > smart will tell
[15:48] <regedit> are those commands? how can i run them? i think dev sda might be the OS drive
[15:49] <OerHeks> use the 'disks' utility from the menu?
[15:49] <regedit> ah
[15:49] <immu_> BluesKaj: checking now
[15:49] <CrazySane> regedit: tap your Super key, type disks
[15:50] <wastrel> which is the super key
[15:50] <CrazySane> texla: follow OerHeks's directions. The first paste you sent describes the repos that are failing. One is failing because you didn't import the ppa key. Another just isn't available.
[15:51] <CrazySane> wastrel: The "windows key" on most keyboards.
[15:51] <morningbird> Is there any way to use ppa targeting older ubuntu version like 16.04 and install packages from it on 16.10?
[15:51] <regedit> OerHeks / CrazySane anything noteworthy about those bad sectors? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dpJia5tt/Screenshot%20from%202017-04-03%2011-49-57.png
[15:51] <morningbird> I know the deb files if downloaded work, but I would like to fool apt so it will pull updates from it.
[15:52] <CrazySane> morningbird: you target old package versions.
[15:52] <CrazySane> morningbird: so like, apt-get install <package>=<version>
[15:52] <nacc> morningbird: also, that may or may not work
[15:53] <nacc> morningbird: as there are dependencies that may have shifted
[15:53] <nacc> morningbird: why are you trying to mix and match releases?
[15:53] <CrazySane> good point
[15:53] <morningbird> nacc: no builds of custom ppa software for 16.10
[15:54] <morningbird> i want pantheon-mail and some app from elementary OS
[15:54] <morningbird> they all installed fine from .debs i would just want to recive paches as they roll into ppa
[15:54] <texla> OerHeks, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:54] <texla> dukto.list  dukto.list.save
[15:54] <texla> ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$
[15:55] <Fadi1986> hi
[15:55] <sajal> 1234
[15:55] <OerHeks> morningbird, more a Question for #elementary
[15:55] <nacc> morningbird: ask ppa owner to build for updated releases?
[15:55] <usern596> hi
[15:55] <sajal> how to i install chrome in my ubuntu
[15:56] <morningbird> sajal: go to chrome website
[15:56] <morningbird> it is aviable to download from it
[15:57] <OerHeks> texla, remove it with ppa-purge, or maybe manually as it never installed a package
[15:57] <OerHeks> texla, funny, i would expect some getdeb.list too ..
[15:58] <PCatinean> can I properly backup to a ftp server that has samba support?
[15:58] <CrazySane> PCatinean: samba has nothing to do with ftp?
[15:58] <regedit> doing conveyance test, probably for no reason https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/X3GHRtlG/Screenshot%20from%202017-04-03%2011-58-13.png
[15:59] <PCatinean> CrazySane, so thought myself, the backup ftp server from my host provider says it has samba support
[15:59] <jnagro> Hey. MacBook sudden won't let me login.
[15:59] <jnagro> Ubutnu 16.10
[15:59] <tgm4883> !details | jnagro
[15:59] <jnagro> Setup for console hard disk unlock
[15:59] <OerHeks> regedit, top right corner, icon > smart data & test
[15:59] <jnagro> Keyboard does not work on grub
[15:59] <tgm4883> jnagro: please don't use enter for punctuation
[16:00] <jnagro> Works at some point during boot, but not for unlock.
[16:00] <jnagro> tgm4883: sorry, on a plane on a phone
[16:00] <regedit> OerHeks: running the extended test now...
[16:03] <CrazySane> PCatinean: Does it offer SFTP?
[16:03] <PCatinean> CrazySane, it has a Samba/CIFS share
[16:03] <PCatinean> not sure if it has SFTP CrazySane
[16:04] <PCatinean> i would hope so?
[16:04] <ducasse> PCatinean: then just use it as any other cifs share and backup to that
[16:04] <PCatinean> ahhhhh I just read: You can access your backup space by means of FTP, FTPS, SFTP and SCP. Please use the host names assigned to you (<username>.your-backup.de) as well as your username and password.
[16:04] <ducasse> !samba | PCatinean
[16:04] <PCatinean> so scp as well
[16:05] <PCatinean> has WebDAV as well
[16:05] <texla> OerHeks, How to use ppa-purge
[16:05] <faerel> hi
[16:05] <ducasse> PCatinean: i think you can mount webdav through fuse
[16:06] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[16:06] <blackbox_> hey
[16:06] <regedit> aw crap the SMART self test failed, tried running it again, system instability intensified, crashed/hanged, forced restart, and now this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9Y0NeOOP/irccloudcapture609882102.jpg
[16:07] <morningbird> nacc, OerHeks it doesn't really matter what PPA is for, question is about #ubuntu system and custom ppa
[16:07] <nacc> morningbird: i don't think we're going to give advice in the official support channel on using a PPA for not its intended use
[16:07] <morningbird> nacc, OerHeks they build only for LTS releases, and thanks to your help (sort of) I got it working
[16:07] <nacc> morningbird: you can run your own ppa via copy packages, i think
[16:08] <jnagro> stuck here with no keyboard https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GNjqyL52/irccloudcapture460402250.jpg
[16:08] <nacc> morningbird: then if you depend on that software, you should also use LTS only
[16:08] <morningbird> nacc, OerHeks trick was to go to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ppa.list and eddit version from yakkety to xenial.
[16:08] <morningbird> Then do apt-get install -f package
[16:08] <phos1> How can I preserve permissions when i run jpegoptim? It has a -P option but it tells me it’s unrecognized
[16:08] <ilyanok> hi, I have troubles linking against dynamic libraries on Ubuntu 16.10. Here is one trivial example: https://gist.github.com/yanok/7ffb30e333a84434fcda55b7cd0d76f8
[16:08] <PCatinean> ducasse, i don't know what hat is
[16:08] <nacc> morningbird: that is a bad choice and i won't support it :)
[16:09] <PCatinean> All I want is to copy some directories to the backup server and do some backup log rotation so it doesn't get full
[16:09] <nacc> ilyanok: that's a c file without any output for linking
[16:09] <PCatinean> That's all, and I have those options
[16:09] <nacc> ilyanok: also, you might want a programming channel
[16:09] <morningbird> nacc: why is that a bad choice?\
[16:09] <ducasse> PCatinean: check out 'fusedav'
[16:09] <ilyanok> If I try to compile it with gcc -lm -o test test.c I get the error that lgammaf is not found
[16:09] <nacc> ilyanok: read `man gcc` -- where you place -l options matters
[16:09] <nacc> ilyanok: put them at the end of the compilation
[16:09] <PCatinean> ducasse, isn't that dangerous? in case something happens to my main host it might delete stuff on the backup server?
[16:09] <nacc> morningbird: because releases exist for a reason. You are using an unsupported thing (PPA) in an unsupported way (mixing releases). Not a support topic
[16:10] <morningbird> nacc: #YOLO ?
[16:10] <faerel_> hi
[16:10] <nacc> morningbird: also offtopic :)
[16:10] <morningbird> it's my home OS, and it's just pulling libgranite and mail client
[16:10] <hh2010_> Hello. I changed my Ubuntu AWS instance type last night, and now none of my applications work.  I cannot connect to Apache, ZNC, Postgres, anything. I can however SSH into it. Does anyone have any ideas of what I could do? I flushed routing tables and reloaded my saved iptables from when it worked, but still no luck.
[16:10] <morningbird> can ppa-purge that at any given time
[16:10] <nacc> morningbird: doesn't make it supported or a good idea
[16:10] <hh2010_> (posted in #AWS as well)
[16:10] <ilyanok> nacc: thanks. I really didn't use gcc for a while...
[16:10] <ducasse> PCatinean: you mount the share, run your backup scripts, then unmount it.
[16:10] <nacc> ilyanok: np
[16:11] <PCatinean> hmm, that's a fair point, unless an attack happens in the exact time it's mounted lol :))
[16:11] <PCatinean> or it's unmounted by mistake and I remove everything
[16:12] <regedit> is this it?  My system toast? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XzxhdRHo/irccloudcapture707435571.jpg
[16:13] <OerHeks> regedit, what did smart tell you ?
[16:14] <ducasse> PCatinean: those odds are pretty slim, i wouldn't worry too much about it. there will always be risks.
[16:14] <Southern_Gentlem> regedit, can you boot into an older kernel
[16:14] <jnagro> tgm4883: ideas or just enter button pro-tips? :)
[16:14] <tgm4883> jnagro: sorry no ideas.
[16:14] <regedit> OerHeks: 12:06 PM <regedit> aw crap the SMART self test failed, tried running it again, system instability intensified, crashed/hanged, forced restart, and now this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9Y0NeOOP/irccloudcapture609882102.jpg
[16:15] <EriC^> regedit: run a smart test from a live usb
[16:15] <OerHeks> regedit, next test: boot live iso and do a memtest86 run
[16:15] <OerHeks> maybe it is a mem error, not hdd..
[16:15] <BluesKaj> immu_, so what do you think ?
[16:15] <regedit> Southern_Gentlem: tried that too, things keep f-ing up failing to successfully boot
[16:16] <regedit> OerHeks: is there anything i can test for that?
[16:16] <regedit> Ah ok
[16:16] <OerHeks> and last but not least: it is spring-cleaning time, check the fans
[16:18] <regedit> will this memtest from the system disk itself do? not sure i have a live USB available with me today.. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iMA2dneS/irccloudcapture13750113.jpg
[16:19] <OerHeks> regedit, well, you say you cannot boot proper, so no, use live iso.
[16:20] <EriC^> regedit: unmount to mount vfs on block suggests some kind of hdd related problem, try the smart test first, or at least to manually mount the hdd partitions, if it's dead then it's dead
[16:20] <EriC^> *unable to
[16:21] <PCatinean> ducasse, sftpclone looks nice also
[16:23] <regedit> Alright I'll need some time to make me a bootable USB. Are y'all sure there's no mem/hdd testing i can try to do from the os HDD itself, memtest or something in recovery mode (if it can get that far...)?
[16:24] <regedit> what should i try next, i tried the 45 and the 44 kernel https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eQU8X2Gb/irccloudcapture1837360372.jpg
[16:25] <OerHeks> already told you, if memtest turns out 100% oke, it is a diskfailure, but without proper smart data i cannot tell, screenshots are not saying anything
[16:26] <OerHeks> but if memtest give errors, maybe the disks are fine.
[16:26] <DexDeadly> Maybe you guys can point me in the right direction. I setup ubuntu 16.04 with ISPConfig3.  I pointed my DNS record on my google domains account over to the webhost IP address.
[16:26] <DexDeadly> Now when I try to go to the site I get ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
[16:27] <regedit> OerHeks: not even this screenshot? 11:58 AM <regedit> doing conveyance test, probably for no reason https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/X3GHRtlG/Screenshot%20from%202017-04-03%2011-58-13.png
[16:27] <OerHeks> nope
[16:28] <PCatinean> I do lls in sftp i see two files and one dir and I cannot rm anything
[16:28] <jnagro> What's the grub commd to boot into safe mode?
[16:28] <PCatinean> it says no such file or directory
[16:28] <PCatinean> what the hell?
[16:28] <regedit> OerHeks: i was trying to confirm whether i must run memtest from an external usb or can i run it off the system os drive
[16:28] <OerHeks> regedit,  i answered that twice, but ask again ..
[16:33] <wadadli> Hey there I have a Sharkoon SATA QUICKPORT XT, when I connect the device to my desktop I don't see the Samsung SSD that's sitting in it show up in the Disks ubuntu utility.
[16:33] <regedit> EriC^: working on a bootable USB. Meanwhile any chance you can tell me if memtest would be helpful and if it makes sense to run it off the os drive itself, from the grub boit menu like so: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/s37CH5DD/irccloudcapture-55739339.jpg
[16:33] <regedit> *boot
[16:34] <jnagro> hah got it working. as computer booted, hit up/down key a bunch so i got into "Advanced settings"
[16:34] <CrazySane> regedit: memtest does just that, tests the memory - so once the application is loaded into memory, the disk it came from shouldn't affect your results. (am I right there?)
[16:34] <jnagro> keyboard _sorta_ worked, so i did a `reboot` from there (software reboot) and that meant keyboard was already initalized, then when i got to the password part it worked.
[16:36] <whilhelm> faerel_: and why did you want me here?
[16:37] <EriC^> regedit: yes you should be fine, memtest takes a lot of time though
[16:37] <EriC^> 8-9hours or something, check the disks first imo
[16:39] <EriC^> regedit: according to the link you posted earlier, the disk is on its way out, 896 bad sectors
[16:42] <donofrio> anyone seen your wifi available but greyed out before?
[16:42] <EriC^> donofrio: does "dmesg" show anything?
[16:43] <donofrio> dunno @work ;(
[16:43] <donofrio> firmware seems to be loaded or the wifi wouldn't show up at all I'm guessing
[16:44] <EriC^> i've had my laptop's wifi go bazzerk at times, if i shut it down, remove the battery, hold the power button for a little then put it back and boot up it works again
[16:44] <OerHeks> fn + wifi key ?
[16:44] <EriC^> it kept saying something in dmesg though about the wifi driver
[16:46] <donofrio> I'll check when I get back home
[16:46] <__Myst__> Hi
[16:46] <__Myst__> I was wondering how I could progamatically catch presses of the buttons on my headphones
[16:47] <EriC^> __Myst__: does it show up in "xev" by any chance?
[16:48] <__Myst__> sadly no
[16:48] <__Myst__> EriC^:
[16:50] <EriC^> __Myst__: do they interact with any program on the pc?
[16:51] <__Myst__> not that I've seen
[16:52] <EriC^> what do they do?
[16:53] <__Myst__> nothing rn, which is why I wanted to give them purpose
[16:53] <Adro_>  Hello everybody, I'm having problems with my new Presonus 1818vsl audio interface,  there's poping and crackling sounds, if jack manages to start I get a lot of xruns... I've been looking around for solutions and I suspect it might be related to a usb3 issue, I think I managed to disable usb3 through my BIOS setup, but nothing seems to change... sorry guys but I'm desperate for help!!!
[16:54] <Adro_> I'm  running ubuntu studio 16.04lts and already posted my question in ubuntustudio irc channel... any help will be appreciated!!!!
[16:55] <seednode> Hm, I know I saw a similar issue with a Steinberg UR22 mk2 and USB3, albeit on Windows; the official fix was moving it to USB2
[16:55] <seednode> But let me see if there's any new info
[16:55] <EriC^> Adro_: repeat it here
[16:56] <seednode> It appears he did on the prior line
[16:56] <Adro_> EriC^:  sorry how?
[16:56] <EriC^> oh, nevermind then
[16:57] <Adro_> ...oh yes yes, there it was sorry
[16:58] <sajal> 1234
[17:00] <__Myst__> EriC^: nothing..?
[17:02] <EriC^> __Myst__: nope
[17:02] <__Myst__> EriC^: nope?
[17:04] <EriC^> __Myst__: yeah, i have no idea how you could achieve that
[17:07] <vlammer> hi all :)
[17:08] <vlammer> hi all, so I was working for some school homework and there is a question that the port 23 is used for 3 different things
[17:08] <vlammer> I find 2 of them: Telnet and complex-main
[17:08] <vlammer> but I can't find the third one, any ideas?
[17:10] <nacc> !ot | vlammer: you may want ##linux or a more general chnne
[17:10] <nacc> *chnnel
[17:10] <OerHeks> lsof -i :23
[17:11] <nacc> OerHeks: good call, but i think they mean 'hypothetically'
[17:12] <OerHeks> yes, we should add "we do homework for you too" to the topic :-D
[17:12] <energizer> In `top`, what does TIME+ mean? I read the manpage but Im not clear.
[17:12] <vlammer> OerHeks: did my part could not find anything else, so lets ask on IRC
[17:12] <vlammer> not asking to solve my whole question
[17:12] <OerHeks> vlammer, answer 3 is trojans http://www.speedguide.net/port.php?port=23
[17:13] <nacc> OerHeks: heh :)
[17:13] <nacc> vlammer: still !ot here -- this is a support channel
[17:13] <Azulflame> energizer, TIME+ in top is time the process has been running
[17:13] <vlammer> OerHeks: apperently not the answer, but will move to #!inux
[17:14] <energizer> Azulflame: what is 'time'
[17:14] <Azulflame> the time command, or the 'TIME+' coloumn in $ top?
[17:14] <Azulflame> because they are different
[17:14] <energizer> the TIME+ column in top. how is it measured
[17:15] <Azulflame> HH:MM:SS the process has been running
[17:15] <energizer> walll clock time?
[17:15] <Azulflame> yah
[17:15] <Azulflame> yeah
[17:16] <energizer> are you sure? i started this process 8 hours ago, and it says 105:01.30
[17:16] <pleasehelp> when i type ifup enp0s25 10.0.0.1 the interface soon loses its ip address .... why?
[17:16] <nacc> no, TIME and TIME+ are cpu time consumed
[17:16] <nacc> as per the manpage
[17:16] <pleasehelp> I am using 16.04
[17:16] <nacc> pleasehelp: that's not a very typical IP address, for one, and also are you on a desktop or server?
[17:16] <energizer> is there a way to find out how long a process has been running for, in wall clock time?
[17:17] <pleasehelp> desktop
[17:17] <nacc> pleasehelp: are you using network manager or another gui tool?
[17:17] <Azulflame> energizer, if you run the process from terminal, you can use $ time <command> and it will return the total time, real time, and CPU time that the process was running
[17:17] <pleasehelp> not intentionally ....... how would  I know if I am?
[17:17] <OerHeks> pleasehelp, use networkmanager, or disable it if you want to fiddle comandline
[17:17] <Azulflame> Don't know if htat's what you wanted
[17:17] <nacc> pleasehelp: are you using default Ubuntu?
[17:17] <Azulflame> alternatively, there's the option to use a stopwatch
[17:17] <nacc> energizer: you mean how long since a process was started?
[17:17] <pleasehelp> I am using xubuntu ..... I believe
[17:18] <nacc> energizer: because your question is ambiguous
[17:18] <pleasehelp> but if you tell me how I will check and report back
[17:18] <energizer> i want utcnow() - utc(when the process started)
[17:18] <nacc> energizer: 'how long a process has been running for' -- processes are not constantly running, they are being scheduled by the kernel
[17:18] <nacc> energizer: ah that has nothing to do with the processes running then :)
[17:18] <nacc> energizer: that has to do with start time and 'now'
[17:19] <pleasehelp> can I disable network manager on just one interface? ... if so how?  and how do I even know if it is  running?
[17:19] <pleasehelp> I don't want to mess up my wifi configuration ... I just want to change my ethernet interface
[17:20] <energizer> anyway, how do i find out
[17:20] <pavlos> pleasehelp, look in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:20] <OerHeks> pleasehelp,  if you see an icon on the top panel, you have networkmanager running.
[17:21] <Lavinho> good afternoon. Why does my lenovo notebook ideapad 100s lock with linux?
[17:23] <pleasehelp> I have a couple icons ...... for instance I know one of them is wicd ...... how do I know if the other one is network manager or some other application?
[17:23] <reggie_> hey folks need some help
[17:23] <reggie_> hello folk need a little help instaling vmware
[17:23] <reggie_> [13:19] <reggie_> it's installed however when I try to execute app it gives me an error
[17:23] <reggie_> [13:20] <reggie_> GNU C Compiler (gcc) version 6.2.0 was not found
[17:23] <reggie_> [13:20] <reggie_> I do have GCC 6 installed
[17:23] <reggie_> [13:20] <reggie_> not sure why it can't find it though
[17:23] <nacc> energizer: i think `ps aux` will show you the start time
[17:23] <nacc> energizer: so it must be somewhere
[17:23] <pleasehelp> also you said to look at /etc/network/interfaces  ....... but what did you want me to look at exactly in the file?  Thanks
[17:24] <nacc> reggie_: afaik, vmware is not an ubuntu package
[17:24] <nacc> energizer: oh of course you could always look at the ctime of /proc/<pid>
[17:24] <reggie_> guess that's a hint to hit vmware irc
[17:24] <nacc> reggie_: yeah
[17:25] <reggie_> ok
[17:25] <pleasehelp> naac, it is non-obvious how to tell what application is associated with each icon in the panel
[17:25] <pleasehelp> nacc, it is non-obvious how to tell what application is associated with each icon in the panel
[17:25] <nacc> pleasehelp: i feel like you can click on each icon and it should be pretty obvious what it is
[17:26] <nacc> pleasehelp: also, i wasn't helping you at this point, others were
[17:26] <nacc> pleasehelp: you can also just see if NM is running: `ps aux| grep -i Network` and see if NetworkManager is running
[17:26] <OerHeks> pleasehelp, so you are running 2 networkmanagers?
[17:27] <pleasehelp> nacc, I have clicked and it is totally non-obvious.  For instance the application name isn't listed ANYWHERE after clicking the icon and there is no about OR help.
[17:27] <pleasehelp> OerHeks, is wicd a network manager?
[17:27] <vlammer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[17:27] <OerHeks> wicd is a networrkmanager, you installed that manually, i guess.
[17:28] <vlammer> pleasehelp: ^
[17:28] <nacc> pleasehelp: wicd will manage both wireless and wired connections
[17:28] <pleasehelp> vlammer, I see, I was not aware of this.  I thought it was a configuration tool.
[17:28] <nacc> pleasehelp: what do you think a network manager is?
[17:28] <OerHeks> one cannot install multiple networkmanagers, like paint programs.
[17:28] <nacc> pleasehelp: it's manages your network configuration
[17:29] <OerHeks> its a tool + service deamon.
[17:29] <pleasehelp> I previously to this conversation thought that a network manager actually sent commands to the hardware and a configuration manager would edit text files or interact with your network manager.
[17:31] <nacc> one could design something like that, but both NM and wicd, afaik, do both
[17:31] <pleasehelp> why can't I use any number of network managers ....... so long as I have at least that many networking devices?
[17:32] <nacc> pleasehelp: becuase they all will try to manage all your networking devices
[17:32] <pleasehelp> for instance I am happy with wicd for my wifi ... can't I just leave it alone and do something else for my ethernet?
[17:32] <nacc> pleasehelp: you *can* have multiple network managers (note that NetworkManager is a specific tool). But you have to configure them correctly
[17:32] <nacc> pleasehelp: and in your case, you're trying to use a non-manager altogether
[17:32] <nacc> pleasehelp: so you need to tell wicd to not managed your wired interface, which it probably is doing by default
[17:33] <pleasehelp> I will look now at its options and report back ....... but thank you for help so far
[17:37] <compdoc> lies
[17:41] <nacc> compdoc: ?
[17:41] <compdoc> wrong channel
[17:48] <_rubik> Hey guys. I'm trying to gracefully shutdown a 16.04 vps. I'm running znc on one user, so the simple reboot command doesn't give it time to close ports and notify irc servers. I was thinking of using init6 to let znc close cleanly before rebooting. Ideas?
[17:48] <nacc> _rubik: run znc as a service instead?
[17:49] <_rubik> nacc: Well that would be the solution to my problem. But I guess my underlying question. What is the more graceful way to restart my system considering reboot calls kill -9, which is a force quit.
[17:49] <alkisg> _rubik: reboot doesn't call kill -9 afaik
[17:50] <raffel> init 0 :^)
[17:50] <alkisg> You can also ask the login manager to logout + reboot
[17:50] <alkisg> There are dbus calls for that
[17:50] <_rubik> alkisg: Then what does reboot call?
[17:51] <alkisg> _rubik: I'm guessing it calls kill normally first, giving some time for applications to close gracefully
[17:51] <alkisg> It's implemented by systemd nowadays
[17:52] <_rubik> alkisg: Well when I last called reboot, it closed znc before it was able to send a logout to freenode. So I just left my Nick as a ghost when the vps rebooted
[17:52] <alkisg> _rubik: if you `kill znc`, does it close properly?
[17:53] <alkisg> It might be an issue with znc, not with reboot...
[17:53] <_rubik> alkisg: Honestly I wouldn't be surprised
[17:53] <alkisg> Also it should be possible to tell nickserv to remove the ghost upon znc login
[17:54] <alkisg> I'm not using znc so I don't know the details there
[17:55] <nyaakobot> Does apt-get only update software installed through apt-get? silly question
[17:55] <alkisg> No, it updates everything in apt sources
[17:55] <alkisg> So if you installed something with dpkg but it's also in the repositories, it'll get updated
[17:55] <_rubik> alkisg: Yeah I'm asking someone in the znc channel. It's not a huge issue,I just want to get to the bottom of it.
[17:55] <alkisg> But if you installed it with dpkg and it's not in the repositories, it won't
[17:56] <nyaakobot> Ah, so I need to add the repository so that i dont have to manually download new versions?
[17:56] <alkisg> Yes
[17:56] <ross_> hey guys, newly installed kubuntu. Does anyone know how to force the machien to use a specific DNS server rather than fetching it from the router?
[17:56] <ross_> getting hellsih dns leaks
[17:56] <nyaakobot> Awesome, thanks. Thinking about installing Weechat and ditching hexchat
[17:56] <alkisg> nyaakobot: that would be just `apt install weechat`
[17:58] <nfso> Hi all, is it safe to install the Guest Agent on VM's i need to ship to people that should not have console access to the VM's ? (I know they can hack their way around it, that is not the point of my question) the point is does Guest tools "open up" the VM more to running commands etc... without login? https://qemu.weilnetz.de/doc/qemu-ga-ref.html
[17:58] <nfso> As i see here alot can be done... changing passwords etc... correct?
[18:00] <bonsaitree> How do i install the latest intel wireless card drivers on Ubuntu?
[18:01] <bonsaitree> Is there a "terminal" way of installing them, via apt-get or something similar?
[18:01] <blorpa> hi
[18:01] <nacc> bonsaitree: you don't generally need to
[18:01] <nacc> bonsaitree: or what do you mean/
[18:02] <blorpa> err my Ubuntu wont react on mouse or keyboard
[18:02] <blorpa> I have kernel 4.8
[18:03] <blorpa> And it can boot into GDM
[18:03] <alkisg> blorpa: was it properly installed, or maybe the installation was interrupted?
[18:03] <blorpa> I have it since long time, just got this issue now
[18:04] <blorpa> :-(
[18:04] <alkisg> No updates involved? It was working and it stopped on the next boot?
[18:04] <blorpa> maybe there where updates, maybe
[18:05] <alkisg> Does it work in recovery mode?
[18:05] <alkisg> Or, does a PS/2 keyboard/mouse work, if you have one?
[18:05] <blorpa> I will test
[18:07] <blorpa> I just made it to the pink screen
[18:07] <blorpa> What does PS/2 mean?
[18:07] <alkisg> It's a different, round port, for older mouse/keyboards
[18:08] <blorpa> ok
[18:10] <blorpa> Oh and some moths before now there was some message about acpi error, can that harm?
[18:14] <alkisg> I don't think that's related to the keyboard/mouse issue
[18:14] <alkisg> So does it work in recovery mode?
[18:14] <blorpa> It gave a message about dependency swap
[18:16] <blorpa> And I can login now in tty1 shell
[18:20] <immu_> BluesKaj: will try and see
[18:20] <carpediembaby> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 14.04 and my I don't have any Internet connection anymore. The network manager says no network device available which doesn't seem to be resolved with restarting or booting into a previous version of the kernel
[18:20] <alkisg> blorpa: in recovery mode, first select networking so that you have network and writeable system, and then run apt-get update && apt-get --yes dist-upgrade
[18:22] <carpediembaby> I don't have Ethernet, but I have a USB adapter which also doesn't connect
[18:22] <wastrel> do you have wifi
[18:22] <carpediembaby> Could someone help me with this? Lspci doesn't seem to show network adapter anymore
[18:23] <Bashing-om> carpediembaby: ^^ and as a 1st poke at this : ' ping -c3 127.0.0.1 ' has a positive result ?
[18:35] <notmike> Ubuntu hits me
[18:35] <alkisg> Hit it back
[18:36] <carpediembaby> After going into the bios, and restarting, it seems to have worked
[18:36] <carpediembaby> The WiFi works but not the USB adapter still...
[18:36] <wastrel> now you can go online?
[18:36] <Bashing-om> carpediembaby: :) You do good work .
[18:37] <immu_> BluesKaj:
[18:37] <immu_> BluesKaj:  i have made the changes and rebooted and how do i know if my system is using ALSA?
[18:40] <carpediembaby1> wastrel:  yes! Bashing-om : i was just shooting arrows in the dark :)
[18:44] <BluesKaj> immu_, your system always uses alsa it's the default, pulseaudio rides on top of alsa as a sound server
[18:44] <immu_> BluesKaj:  but do i confirm?
[18:45] <arog> is it possible to change shutdown so prior to shutdown it will call shutdown on another computer?
[18:46] <PipeItToDevNull> arog, just make a script
[18:47] <BluesKaj> immu_, open alsamixer, F6, choose the "0" soundcard, then setup alsamixers volume ctrls
[18:48] <donofrio> EriC^, it says this from dmesg - https://apaste.info/exGO
[18:50] <donofrio> fwiw inxi info @ https://apaste.info/DoR5
[18:50] <immu_> firefox is still playing audio which means its running on pulse audio
[18:54] <arog> PipeItToDevNull:  okay
[18:54] <arog> easy enough
[18:54] <immu_> BluesKaj: firefox is still playing audio which means its running on pulse audio
[18:54] <BluesKaj> hmm immu_ I think FF switched away from pulseaudio
[18:54] <nicomachus> they did
[18:54] <arog> if I call 'sudo shutdown now' will that stop all currently executing programs?
[18:55] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: no, wait. They killed Alsa. Pulseaudio is now a dependency
[18:55] <arog> does shutdown send SIGINT as well or does it send SIGKILL?
[18:55] <arog> or another SIG
[18:56] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, well it must be on the newer version of FF , I have FF45 on my system and it works without pulse
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ok ,let memake sure ...brb
[19:00] <ducasse> arog: i _think_ it does INT, TERM then KILL. that might just have been in the olden days, though.
[19:00] <Bashing-om> blackflow: Discussion - FYI :: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2355092 .
[19:00] <PCatinean> does this entry in crontab -e 0 1 * * * /home/wiz/docker_backup.sh execute that script every day at 1 am indefinitely?
[19:01] <Bashing-om> BlueShark: Ouch tab - not paying attention : see : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2355092 for discussion on what FF is doing .
[19:02] <will__> Hello?
[19:02] <Delvien> >>59718479
[19:03] <will__> I cant connect to my printer please someone help
[19:03] <ducasse> PCatinean: yes, that looks right
[19:03] <PCatinean> ducasse, thanks, I see there's also a MAILTO functionality
[19:04] <PCatinean> But you have to configure a local mail server and stuff like that for it to work I imagine no?
[19:04] <PCatinean> I does not work with vanilla ubuntu
[19:04] <will__> PLEASE MY PRINTER ISNT WORKING
[19:04] <will__> Err im on a raspberry pi
[19:04] <nicomachus> !patience | will__ chillllll
[19:05] <pavlos> arog, shutdown sends SIGTERM signal; the process is given time to gracefully shutdown
[19:06] <ioria> arog, you can explore the code here http://util-linux.sourcearchive.com/documentation/2.14/shutdown_8c-source.html
[19:06] <tomreyn> will__: first of all, sum up the problem for yourself: which ubuntu release, which printer model, what is the essence of this issue? then use this sumamnry to search the web. if you cannot find a solution then ask again here providing the problem summary you wrote before.
[19:07] <bonsaitree> How do i completely wipe the xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[19:07] <immu_> BluesKaj: http://imgur.com/a/9BNVU look what alsamixergui is saying?
[19:08] <ducasse> PCatinean: you can probably get it working with something like msmtp, you might not need a full mta. i usually just set up postfix, though.
[19:08] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: FF switched to Pulseaudio only with 52 or 53
[19:09] <BluesKaj> ni yeah I'm using FF 50.1 on kubuntu 17.04
[19:09] <BluesKaj> nicomachus: ^
[19:09] <mohd> hi
[19:10] <BluesKaj> and no need for pulse with that
[19:10] <mohd> i have problem
[19:10] <BluesKaj> immu_:  guess that tutorial didn't work :/
[19:10] <Delvien> mohd just ask your question, no need for greetings :)
[19:11] <immu_> yup
[19:11] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: time to update :)
[19:11] <BluesKaj> nicomachus:  my default browser is chrome anyway
[19:11] <nicomachus> s/chrome/chromium/ :D
[19:12] <BluesKaj> FF is too bloated for my liking..not chromium, I use chrome
[19:12] <Delvien> nicomachus: chromium and chrome are two very different things.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> and chrome doesn't need pulse
[19:13] <mohd> im do (dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sda bs=4M) /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb and my harddisk now have only iso partion
[19:14] <Delvien> mohd: ouch.
[19:14] <reubenabrams> I've used a USB cable to connect a Raspberry Pi Zero W to a Linux desktop PC. The RPiZ(W) is configured to connect to the Internet via the onboard wifi chipset. It connects, surfs the Web, etc. The PC to which it is connected can ping the 'Zero' and can ssh into it.
[19:15] <Delvien> mohd: this is a prime example on why checking lsblk is important before dd'ing anything.
[19:15] <avokado> привет всем
[19:15] <avokado> меня видно?
[19:15] <esauceda> \part
[19:15] <Delvien> !rus
[19:15] <Delvien> !russian
[19:15] <Bashing-om> mohd: Maybe, just maybe testdisk can recover the partition table: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step .
[19:15] <reubenabrams> However, I've failed to make the Zero share its Internet access with the PC to which it is connected. I've enabled IPv4 forwarding, set up iptables, and so on.... but I'm getting nowhere.
[19:16] <xer0> Hi! I'm trying to start synergy on my htpc via ssh. I get an error message "display: unable to open X server". How do i "tell" the server via ssh to open it on the local display?
[19:16] <reubenabrams> Insight, suggestions, and/or nudges in the right direction would be appreciated. It's just a hobby, so I'm not worried... :)
[19:17] <reubenabrams> xer0: What happens if you export DISPLAY=:0 before calling ssh?
[19:18] <mohd> Bashing-om: I have testdisk but how I can find recover the partition table
[19:19] <xer0> reubenabrams: Yep, that did it. Thx
[19:20] <xer0> reubenabrams: What exactly does that export command to, if you don't mind explaining?
[19:20] <xer0> s/to/do
[19:20] <ducasse> !recover | mohd
[19:20] <ioprev> reubenabrams: You need to assign the PC an IP in the same network as the Pi, then configure the Pi as gateway
[19:20] <reubenabrams> xer0: As far as I recall (and I'm a bit rusty), 'export' sets the contents of an environmental variable until that shell closes. DISPLAY contains the X window server # that apps such as ssh will use.
[19:20] <ChaiTRex> mohd: If you have files you want to keep, you might want to do PhotoRec before TestDisk and save the files it recovers on a second disk.
[19:21] <xer0> reubenabrams: And :0 is the default window server?
[19:21] <reubenabrams> xer0: Yes
[19:21] <xer0> reubenabrams: cool, thx
[19:21] <nacc> xer0: reubenabrams: `man bash`, search for 'export'
[19:21] <xer0> nacc: thx
[19:21] <reubenabrams> ioprev: Thank you. :) I'll look at that. I wish my computer went 'Ping' whenever someone said my name. It would help. That's next on my list, I guess...
[19:22] <reubenabrams> ioprev: That makes sense. I've used dnsmasq to assign the PC an IP address when it connects. The Pi runs on 192.168.42.1 and its dnsmasq daemon has assigned 192.168.42.111 to the PC. Now, if only I could route the packets properly...
[19:22] <Delvien> mohd http://askubuntu.com/questions/264374/how-to-recover-from-wiping-by-dd-a-partition-table-on-external-disk too
[19:23] <ioprev> reubenabrams: have you enabled forwarding on Pi? (sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1)
[19:23] <reubenabrams> ioprev: On the Pi? Yes
[19:24] <reubenabrams> ioprev: That's what's so strange. I've done this before, but for some reason usb0 isn't behaving like eth0. I'm guessing the two are similar enough yet different enough to be trouble.
[19:24] <ioprev> reubenabrams: hmm, you also need to disable rp_filter for the Pi to route non-local traffic
[19:24]  * reubenabrams googles 'rp_filter' --- brb
[19:26] <reubenabrams> hmm
[19:28] <Lukker> the resolution on my screen is really poor.I have been trying to fix but there is no easy fix
[19:29] <Lukker> how to fix it?
[19:29] <Lukker> #ubuntu support
[19:32] <nicomachus> Delvien: than you, I'm well aware that Chrome and Chomium are different. I was suggesting that BluesKaj use Chromium instead.
[19:33] <Bashing-om> lukasdboer: What release and what hardware ? pastebin - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - . Let's see what we are working with .
[19:39] <Delvien> nicomachus: due to your personal beliefs?
[19:42] <nicomachus> Delvien: not a topic for this channel.
[19:45] <BluesKaj> nicomachus:  I prefer chrome over chromium because the latter doesn't have the correct plugins for my media setttings
[19:45] <DocMAX> i have a problem... when mounting cifs and the share becomes unavailable, everything freezes when i want to access the mountmount. umount -f doesnt work either (freezes). any idea how to fix it without reboot?
[19:55] <Delvien> nicomachus YOU were the one bringing your personal suggestions to the channel.. Which was my point.
[19:56] <rek> hi i installed a matrox millennium p690  i'm stuck in 640x480  can you help me to configure the correct driver? i'm using 14.04
[19:57] <Delvien> rek what does the output of xrandr say? pastebin it
[19:58] <rek> https://pastebin.com/VmVdxuhN Delvien
[20:00] <Delvien> dwrek glxinfo | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:00] <Delvien> rek ^
[20:00] <rek> ?
[20:01] <ChaiTRex> rek: Run that command a few lines up.
[20:04] <rek> http://termbin.com/bs7d
[20:04] <rek> :) Delvien ChaiTRex i run it
[20:04] <rek> http://termbin.com/bs7d
[20:04] <Delvien> rek: OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. this is a virtual machine I take it.
[20:05] <rek> Delvien, running natively an amd machine ....
[20:06] <Delvien> rek so its not running in a VMware virtual machine?
[20:06] <tomreyn> rek: sudo ldpci -knnv | grep A15 VGA
[20:06] <rek> no
[20:06] <Delvien> odd.
[20:06] <tomreyn> rek: sudo lspci -knnv | grep A15 VGA
[20:06] <tomreyn> rek: sudo lspci -knnv | grep -A15 VGA
[20:06] <tomreyn> sorry, should be correct now ;)
[20:06] <Delvien> one day youll get it right :P
[20:07]  * tomreyn has trumpy fingers
[20:07] <OerHeks> Delvien, odd indeed, it should say x.org and the line after that should mention kernel version ..
[20:07] <rek> https://pastebin.com/jtSVc7mj Delvien tomreyn lol ldpci
[20:08] <Delvien> rek -A15
[20:08] <Delvien> rek not A15
[20:08] <rek> 10 trumpy fingers
[20:08] <alkisg> I think the software renderer, llvmpipe, is mainly developed by vmware
[20:09] <Delvien> maybe, matrox is a server graphics card vendor mostly, so that makes sense
[20:09] <rek> https://pastebin.com/u9kXncua Delvien
[20:09] <kenrin> Goodluck with that card:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/875662/drivers-for-matrox-p690-with-ubuntu-16-04
[20:09] <rek> sorry it's the only card i can use now
[20:10] <Delvien> rek did you install the matrox drivers from their website?
[20:11] <rek> i read installing stuff from websites is not good
[20:11] <kenrin> It is when included stuff doesn't work correctly or work at all
[20:11] <rek> sticking to your repo is the real deal
[20:11] <Delvien> rek http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/download/certified/
[20:11] <Delvien> rek the repo wont have everything under the sun.
[20:12] <OerHeks> drivers from 2008 ... it should work with xserver-xorg-video-mga, maybe write your own xorg.conf
[20:13] <Delvien> OerHeks: right but that doesnt mean they dont work. I mean hell, hes using a 3 year old ubuntu release
[20:14] <K350> Anyone here using ncmpcpp ?
[20:15] <Delvien> K350 if its a question speficially related to ubuntu support, ask away, otherwise there may be a channel out there better suited to your question
[20:17] <K350> Delvien: Yea, maybe  it's caused by Ubuntu. I'm unable to remove playlists in ncmpcpp
[20:17] <tomreyn> rek: i think the bottom line is: if you are looking for a well supported piece of fast hardware, you need to acquire one. currently you neither have a well supported one nor a fast one.
[20:17] <tomreyn> this card has 128 MB DDR2 VRAM
[20:18] <rek> tomreyn,  not my purpose.... i know
[20:22] <Delvien> K350 I doubt its due to "ubuntu" probably due to a config file, or a missing lib; something of that nature.
[20:24] <Delvien> rek try the driver i linked (if youre running 32bit) if not, I am unsure where to point you,as that card is very old, and the maker has not updated their driver in 8~ years
[20:33] <notmike> What do I need to do to optimize Ubuntu for an SSD?
[20:34] <notmike> I know to move /swap, /home, and possibly /var /tmp to HDD (although I've been told the last two may create issues with logging.
[20:35] <OerHeks> ssd these days do not wear an tear anymore, within 10 years, so no extra option is needed.
[20:35] <Delvien> OerHeks: maybe he has an old one :P
[20:35] <k1l> notmike: ubuntu got a cronjob for trim. that is enough for regular recent ssds.
[20:37] <OerHeks> noatime, discard, swappiness, i did not touch those.
[20:38] <notmike> this dude on the internet told me: "For a while, SSD partions were trimmed by adding the discard option to a partition’s entry in /etc/fstab. However, including discard is far more active than running fstrim, since it trims on the fly. This behavior means that discard writes to the disk far more often than fstrim, which makes it counter-productive."
[20:38] <codepython777> is there a usb speaker i can buy for linux that will wok with ubuntu 16.04?
[20:38] <codepython777> preferably pulling its power from usb and not external sourse
[20:39] <Delvien> notmike sorry I only trust mike with these things.
[20:39]  * notmike nods, sagely
[20:42] <k1l> notmike: yes. discard was a solution from the early days. after a while the hardware got better and now the cronjob with fstrim running once a week seems to better for the daily use
[20:42] <donofrio> anyone seen your wifi available but greyed out before?
[20:43] <donofrio> firmware seems to be loaded or the wifi wouldn't show up at all I'm guessing
[20:43] <donofrio> dmesg = https://apaste.info/exGO
[20:44] <kenrin> What does iwconfig say
[20:44] <notmike> what is the default login for live cd?
[20:45] <kenrin> ubuntu with no pass i think
[20:46] <donofrio> kenrin, iwconfig = apaste.info/KS8Y
[20:47] <Delvien> notmike: https://pastebin.com/W6SQwh9t
[20:47] <ppf> your wifi is named eth?
[20:47] <ppf> oh joy
[20:48] <notmike> No offense, but that is a glaring flaw IMO.
[20:48] <kenrin> No idea why it is named eth0 but you definitely have drivers loaded and working
[20:48] <ppf> donofrio: greyed out where/how?
[20:48] <donofrio> I'll take a screenshot one moment...
[20:48] <kenrin> Either hit the connect button in networkmanager or hit the enable wireless key combo on your laptop
[20:48] <notmike> debate me, you won't
[20:49] <tomreyn> notmike: maybe because this is a support and not a discussion channel
[20:49] <ppf> notmike: what is
[20:49] <Delvien> wifi switch off?
[20:49] <k1l> worth noting, this is a powerpc
[20:49] <tomreyn> notmike: you could discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic (as long as it's in line with the policies there)
[20:49] <notmike> Well the user/pass down't work anyway
[20:49] <Delvien> notmike its a livecd, how "secure" do you want it.
[20:50] <k1l> notmike: what is the issue?
[20:50] <notmike> I don't want it secure, I want it to work. And ubuntu:ubuntu don't.
[20:50] <ppf> empty pass
[20:50] <notmike> did that too
[20:50] <k1l> notmike: its user "ubuntu" and a blank password
[20:50] <k1l> notmike: so what is the exact issue?
[20:51] <notmike> ubuntu, Ubuntu in every user:pass combination (including nopass) don't work.
[20:51] <k1l> notmike: where?
[20:51] <notmike> on the live media
[20:51] <k1l> where on the live media?
[20:51] <ppf> you're writing on hte disk with a pen!
[20:51] <k1l> and what iso did you use exactly?
[20:51] <lakiluki> So, my friend has been trying to set up ubuntu but he can't get a graphical shell, whenever he starts lightdm the whole thing freezes and he has to restart his machine. Here is the journalctl log from a successful boot without being able to get a graphical interface started. https://ptpb.pw/pysB
[20:51] <notmike> That I just DL'd from the website, installed on a usb drive with dd, booted, and chose Install Ubuntu.
[20:51] <Delvien> ppf:  that made me laugh harder than it should of
[20:52] <ppf> !nomodeset | lakiluki
[20:52] <ppf> lakiluki: worth a shot
[20:52] <k1l> notmike: ok, the live desktop will not ask for user and password. so what do you do there?
[20:52] <ppf> Delvien: always happy to help! :)
[20:52] <Delvien> k1l: it will if you logged out of your DE
[20:52] <donofrio> ppf, screenshot @ unsee.cc/repinogu
[20:52] <rek> Delvien i'm running a 64 bit os
[20:53] <rek> Delvien,
[20:53] <notmike> k1l: the live media says 1) Try Ubuntu (no install), 2) Install Ubuntu, ... etc. I'm in that second option and it goes immediately to user/pass for which the defaults don't work.
[20:53] <Delvien> k1l he was asking what the un pw is. which we said it was ubuntu as un, and hit enter for pw, hes either not doing this, or theres something wrong with his session. He could just reboot
[20:53] <alkisg> notmike: the install ubuntu option goes to a graphical dialog, it doesn't prompt you for user/pass normally. Do you see a graphical dialog?
[20:53] <notmike> I did reboot, still doesn't work.
[20:53] <ppf> donofrio: do you have a hardware switch?
[20:54] <ppf> is that issue new?
[20:54] <notmike> alksig: Yes, I am in a GUI, but its just the login prompt.
[20:54] <Delvien> notmike: try root  :P
[20:54] <notmike> I did lol
[20:54] <donofrio> its a new install, it's a macbookpro so no wifi switch (but if it was wifi off why would any AP's show up while off?)
[20:54] <Delvien> have you tried throwing it out the window?
[20:54] <ppf> notmike: the livedisk doesn't ask for a passwort when starting
[20:54] <ppf> what ubuntu is this?
[20:55] <alkisg> notmike: is that ubuntu 16.04, or some other variant/version?
[20:55] <k1l> notmike: the "install ubuntu" just loads the ubuntu installer. and it doesnt ask for user and password. are you sure its a original ubuntu iso?
[20:55] <notmike> brb, I know what to do
[20:55] <ppf> donofrio: is there a button on your keyboard?
[20:55] <ppf> fn+something?
[20:55] <donofrio> no
[20:55] <blorpa> hi
[20:55] <Delvien> donofrio: seeing that macbookpros with ppcs havent been made in a long time, I assume it something to do with an ancient wifi driver. What year MBP?
[20:56] <kenrin> What is that one command.  rfkill unblock all ?
[20:56] <kenrin> Try that donofrio
[20:56] <k1l> with sudo, yes
[20:56] <Delvien> kenrin: yeah
[20:56] <donofrio> Delvien, 2006 but again if something was wrong shouldn't no AP's be displayed?  I'll try that unblock cmd
[20:56] <ppf> donofrio: maybe a bios option?
[20:56] <ppf> if mac has such a thing
[20:56] <blorpa> light DM failed to start, but i cant open a shell, because a job is running
[20:56] <Delvien> ppf but it jest werks
[20:56] <ppf> i don't know a thing about macs
[20:57] <k1l> worth looking if that is a known issue for that macbook you use
[20:57] <ppf> blorpa: what job
[20:57] <ppf> where does it say so
[20:57] <tsimonq2> Using virt-manager, how would I go about using a directory on my filesystem for storage instead of an image file?
[20:57] <donofrio> what package provides rfkill?  all I have is rfcomm from my tab after rf
[20:58] <ppf> donofrio: rfkill
[20:58] <kenrin> rfkill is the package
[20:58] <ppf> !info rfkill
[20:58] <donofrio> k
[20:58] <blorpa> pff it said Started cleanup of temploray dirs
[20:58] <Delvien> I etched rfkill on one of my framing hammers.
[20:59] <Lavinho> good night
[20:59] <ppf> blorpa: which ubuntu is this?
[20:59] <ppf> did it work before?
[20:59] <blorpa> 16.04
[20:59] <Lavinho> how to install linux lenovo ideapad 100s
[20:59] <Lavinho> _
[21:00] <rek> the .run from matrox returns an error
[21:00] <alkisg> tsimonq2: you mean to use a directory as storage for the virtual machine instead of a file? I don't think that's implemented, how would the client see the directory, via nfs?
[21:00] <Delvien> rek google the error
[21:00] <ppf> !google | Delvien
[21:00] <tsimonq2> alkisg: Gah ok, thank you.
[21:00] <donofrio> kenrin, didn't change anything as far as I can see
[21:00] <rek> i'll give the cards to the neighbors' dogs
[21:00] <Delvien> !no | ppf
[21:01] <ppf> :p
[21:01] <alkisg> tsimonq2: there are other methods that support that, like lxc or chroots, but it's a bit different concept there
[21:01] <blorpa> ppf: it gave a white or clored screen so I tried to delete many packages and then reinstall, but before that it worked
[21:02] <ppf> blorpa: after install? or after you did something?
[21:02] <kenrin> donofrio:  You can try hitting the enable wireless to turn it off,  wait 10 sec,  turn it on,  wait and see if it un greys.   Failing that,  There might be a bios option to enable the Wifi
[21:02] <tsimonq2> alkisg: Ok, thanks.
[21:02] <alkisg> blorpa: it's quite possible that now you're missing needed packages because you (auto)removed more than you reinstalled
[21:03] <ppf> blorpa: it sure sounds like you broke your system
[21:03] <alkisg> blorpa: boot to recovery, enable networking, and put /var/log/apt/history.log to pastebin, to see the packages that you removed
[21:03] <lakiluki> ppf: Thanks, that worked! I guess now he should try to replace the open source nvidia drivers with the proprietary drivers, right? Since the open source drivers don't seem to really work with the 900m series
[21:03] <ppf> lakiluki: yes, that's a good idea
[21:03] <Delvien> lakiluki: ive never had good luck with nouveau :;/
[21:04] <blorpa> alkisg I did apt install *ubuntu-desktop
[21:04] <alkisg> blorpa: if you do what I said above, we'll see what you're missing
[21:05] <cryptk> Hello all, I am trying to figure out how exactly Ubuntu packages up OpenStack nova, does anyone know where I might find some documentation on how I could replicate those packages if I wanted to?
[21:05] <alkisg> blorpa: the command to put it to pastebin is, cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:05] <lakiluki> Delvien: Same, they don't really seem to work that well. I've never had problems with the AMD open source drivers such as xf86-video-ati, though
[21:06] <donofrio> kenrin, turning it off and waiting and turning it back on hasn't changed anything, well it it, my ap was not listed when disabled and it's returned toi grey when enbled...
[21:06] <kenrin> I don't think looking for a bios option will help then,  it seems to be on if its showing your AP
[21:07] <donofrio> kenrin, agreed but I cannot select it, and have yet to hhave been able to type in password.....
[21:08] <kenrin> Some really old macrumors threads say to make a new connection in networkmanager and it'll work
[21:10] <blorpa> alkisg: the page send back termbin.com/knao
[21:11] <alkisg> blorpa: did the last command, apt install kubuntu-desktop, finish without errors?
[21:12] <blorpa> it gave error about initrd that I forgot to remove
[21:13] <alkisg> blorpa: the main command that broke it was apt-get purge libwayland-egl1-mesa:amd64
[21:13] <alkisg> This removed a whole lot of packages; you should have seen that and pressed no
[21:14] <alkisg> Now I think that your system is broken; try running `apt install -f` or `apt -f dist-upgrade` for it to finish the installation
[21:14] <ppf> does dist-upgrade still exist?
[21:14] <alkisg> Yeah for compatibility
[21:14] <ppf> oh, nice
[21:15] <Bashing-om> blorpa: apt-get dist-upgrade => apt full-upgrade .
[21:15] <blorpa> thank you
[21:16] <alkisg> np
[21:16] <blorpa> didn't feel like it found something
[21:16] <blorpa> I think I will see tomorrow
[21:18] <elsewho_> hi
[21:19] <elsewho_> i just made an upgrade and now when i click on my network symbol in the launcher, it says "no wifi hardware found"
[21:19] <snafu_> salut
[21:19] <snafu_> ça va
[21:19] <elsewho_> sadly my ethernet card in this laptop is broken and i cant get any internet now.
[21:19] <elsewho_> is there a way to roll-back the last kernel upgrade?
[21:20] <kenrin> Just select the kernel below in the boot menu
[21:20] <k1l> elsewho_: you can choose an older kernel in grub
[21:20] <elsewho_> oh. lets try that .. thx!
[21:22] <pleasehelp> I am using network manager and for some reason it keeps taking away my ip address from my  ethernet interface
[21:22] <pleasehelp> how do i diagnose / fix the problem?  thanks
[21:23] <elsewho_> i dont have any grub, the linux boos immediately.
[21:23] <kenrin> How does it take it away?  Did you assign the address through networkmanager ?
[21:23] <pleasehelp> i assigned it by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[21:23] <kenrin> Then you need to disable or mask networkmanager if you are doing it directly
[21:23] <kenrin> or use networkmanager to assign the address
[21:24] <pleasehelp> if I use /etc/network/interfaces  what am I using?
[21:24] <WXZ_> I've got ubuntu already installed, and I've got the live installer as well, but my device has no mbr
[21:24] <k1l> pleasehelp: if you config it in the interfaces file, then networkmanager doesnt want to manage it.
[21:24] <WXZ_> how can I re-add the MBR using the live cd?
[21:25] <pleasehelp> how do I disable network manager for the interface?
[21:25] <k1l> pleasehelp: if you config it in the interfaces file
[21:25] <pleasehelp> what network manager uses etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:25] <k1l> pleasehelp: no
[21:25] <kenrin> networkmanager uses interfaces but if you edit it directly it will overwrite
[21:25] <k1l> if you use the interfaces file, then networkmanager doest touch that device.
[21:26] <pleasehelp> I see.  What does touch the device?  What uses the interfaces file?
[21:26] <Bashing-om> elsewho_: Grub boot menue : as soon as bios screen clears press and hold a shift key ( EFI system spam the escape key ) .
[21:26] <kenrin> the service itself?  networking
[21:26] <k1l> pleasehelp: the base system networking.
[21:27] <w9qbj> pleasehelp: edit /etc/network/interfaces to something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24308831/
[21:27] <pleasehelp> so do you think the networking service is dropping the ip address from the device?  and if so how do I tell it not to do so?
[21:27] <kenrin> You want to go inside networkmanager and remove the ethernet connection or do a sudo systemctl stop NetworkManager && sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager
[21:27] <w9qbj> pleasehelp: use the interface you find in ifconfig
[21:28] <pleasehelp> in the pastbin I see gateway defined twice in the interfaces file .... I thought you could only define it once?
[21:29] <kenrin> The default you can only do once
[21:29] <w9qbj> I did it once for each interface - eth0 isn't used on my system
[21:29] <w9qbj> But I left it in, and it works.
[21:30] <pleasehelp> I issued the command: sudo systemctl stop NetworkManager && sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager
[21:30] <pleasehelp> I disabled network manager ....... I will see if it happens again
[21:33] <pleasehelp> even after disabling the network manager the ip address was lost when I powered down the raspberry pi connected to the port
[21:33] <pleasehelp> any clue why that might be?
[21:33] <k1l> what are you doing there at all?
[21:33] <pleasehelp> sorry ....... what am i doing where?
[21:34] <k1l> you connect that pc to a rpi (that is the router?) and you power down the rpi and you wonder why its not connected anymore?
[21:34] <pleasehelp> no router
[21:34] <w9qbj> And since the gateway is the same in both stanza it shouldn't make any difference.  Works on both the 'big iron' anbd all my Pi. Network manager gets it data from interfaces
[21:34] <pleasehelp> just static ip address and crossover
[21:34] <adro> hello all, xhci-hcd seems to control all my usb buses even if they are 2.0, I'm  having issues with a usb audio interface Presonus 1818vsl, this does not work well with usb3, I have learn that installing a PCI card with ohci-hcd drivers would solve it but, is there a reason why I can't force xhci to manage only my usb3 ports??? help and thanks for any insight!!!
[21:36] <pleasehelp> I do wonder why?  It makes no sense to me.  The raspberry pi shouldn't make the ip address go away .... it isn't running a dhcp server or anything.  The ip address is static on the host.
[21:37] <pleasehelp> I am running a dhcp server on the host that loses the ip address from which the rpi gets its ip address.
[21:37] <pleasehelp> I don't see what difference it should make but I don't want to somehow find out it does and I didn't tell you.
[21:37] <bekks> pleasehelp: you disabled the service that provides the IP address and you are wondering why it has no IP anymore?
[21:38] <pleasehelp> bekks, what service did I disable that provides the IP address?
[21:38] <bekks> pleasehelp: NetworkManager, as you said.
[21:38] <pleasehelp> bekks, NO.. this isn't what I said.
[21:38] <pleasehelp> bekks, I have an IP address WITHOUT NetworkManager
[21:38] <kenrin> If you had disabled "networking" you wouldn't get anything at all
[21:38] <melani> hola
[21:38] <bekks> 0403 233319 < pleasehelp> even after disabling the network manager... you said that.
[21:39] <melani> me pueden ayudar porfi?
[21:39] <pleasehelp> bekks, I didn't disable networking!  I disabled NetworkManager
[21:39] <bekks> pleasehelp: Thats what I said.
[21:39] <bekks> 0403 233816 < bekks> pleasehelp: NetworkManager, as you said.
[21:39] <melani> eque tengo una pregunta de mi ordenador
[21:39] <k1l> melani: this channel is english, for spanish join #ubuntu-es
[21:39] <MeXTuX> Hi! I am using Lubuntu 16.04. Sometimes when I lock screen and move the mouse login screen doesn't show. I only see a black screen. It does not happen all the time but I would like to know if I can check a log or something to see what is going on. When that happens I press Ctrl Alt F1 and reboot the computer. This is the graphics card info http://p
[21:39] <MeXTuX> aste.ubuntu.com/24308851/ Thanks in advance
[21:39] <pleasehelp> Disabling NetworkManager does NOT disable networking
[21:40] <bekks> pleasehelp: No one said that. You disabled NetworkManager and NetworkManager is what provides/configures the IP.
[21:40] <bekks> So disabling it removes the IP configured in NetworkManager.
[21:40] <pleasehelp> bekks, I was told networking used /etc/network/interfaces NOT NetworkManager
[21:41] <bekks> pleasehelp: networking is different from NetworkManager.
[21:41] <pleasehelp> the ip is configured in  /etc/network/interfaces but NetworkManager is disabled
[21:42] <pleasehelp> doesn't base networking package use /etc/network/interfaces?
[21:42] <bekks> pleasehelp: PAstebin your /etc/network/interfaces then, please.
[21:43] <pleasehelp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24308895/
[21:44] <bekks> pleasehelp: where's the gateway?
[21:44] <bekks> pleasehelp: your configuration cannot reach the DNS server at all, due to the missing gateway.
[21:44] <pleasehelp> I don't need (or want) it to reach a gateway
[21:44] <kenrin> He said it was connected via crossover
[21:44] <kenrin> to a rpi
[21:44] <pleasehelp> thanks kenrin!
[21:45] <bekks> pleasehelp: and whats the IP of the pc?
[21:45] <pleasehelp> 10.0.0.1
[21:45] <pleasehelp> the rpi is 10.0.0.200 (assigned by dhcp server running on 10.0.0.1)
[21:45] <pleasehelp> I can ssh into the rpi and it works well
[21:46] <bekks> So whats the problem?
[21:46] <pleasehelp> however, if I reboot the rpi the 10.0.0.1 interface loses its ip address!
[21:46] <pleasehelp> (or disconnect it or power it off)
[21:46] <bekks> So you have a dhcp server running on your rpi?
[21:46] <Koko> hello
[21:46] <pleasehelp> NO!  The rpi gets the ip address from the pc
[21:46] <pleasehelp> the pc is 10.0.0.1
[21:47] <bekks> then why do you configure the same IP on the rpi, too?
[21:47] <wedgie> so when the link goes down and then comes back up, the interface doesn't get configured
[21:47] <pleasehelp> I don't!
[21:47] <Koko> i need some help with ubuntu
[21:47] <pleasehelp> The rip is 10.0.0.200 (configured via dhcp)
[21:47] <kenrin> I think wedgie hit the issue
[21:47] <pleasehelp> ip of pc is 10.0.0.1 static
[21:47] <pleasehelp> rpi works fine
[21:47] <pleasehelp> pc does not work fine
[21:47] <Bashing-om> pleasehelp: As you ar not using network-manager; what shows ' grep managed= /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ' ?
[21:48] <pleasehelp> it loses the ip address when the rpi is rebooted
[21:48] <pleasehelp> managed=false
[21:48] <bekks> pleasehelp: so whats the /etc/network/interfaces of the rpi?
[21:48] <nacc> pleasehelp: do you have logs from the pc when the ip is 'lost'?
[21:49] <pleasehelp> dhcp ........ it shouldn't be able to cause another system from losing its ip address
[21:49] <bekks> of course it can, when having an ip conflict.
[21:49] <pleasehelp> nacc, which logs-- I will provide them
[21:49] <pleasehelp> bekks, there isn't a conflict since it is 10.0.0.200
[21:49] <pleasehelp> which it obtains from the dhcp server and I can see it in the leases file
[21:49] <pavlos>  /var/log/syslog on the pc should contain entries when the pi git its ip (.200)
[21:49] <bekks> pleasehelp: So pastebin the /etc/network/interfaces of the rpi please.
[21:49] <pleasehelp> I never modified rpi
[21:49] <Bashing-om> pleasehelp: That says network-manager manages the networking . for "you" to manage, set it to ' true ' .
[21:50] <nacc> pavlos: thanks was just checking that
[21:50] <kenrin> You know what would fix that issue?  Putting a switch between the PC and RPI
[21:50] <koko> hi
[21:51] <pleasehelp> one minute
[21:51] <pleasehelp> nacc,bashing-om: I disabled network manager so what difference does it make?
[21:51] <nacc> pleasehelp: what difference does what make? i asked for logs that show what is actually happening on the pc
[21:52] <pleasehelp> nacc, I am happy to provide the logs .. which logs would you like?
[21:52] <nacc> pleasehelp: as pavlos said earlier, syslog around the time it happens
[21:52] <Bashing-om> pleasehelp: Ya got me . I di not know all the jools and scripts that get called . IF /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf does get called ya want the system to know that networking is controlled from /etc/network/interfaces .
[21:53] <pavlos> pleasehelp, grep DHCP /var/log/syslog and pastebin this output
[21:53] <kadobanana> Is there some way to tell who runs a particular ppa? I always see all of these ppas suggested, but they're essentially just as safe as downloading random binaries from who-knows-who from the internet, right?
[21:53] <pleasehelp> working to get pastbin now ..... one moment please
[21:53] <nacc> kadobanana: correct
[21:54] <nacc> kadobanana: you can look at the changelog and also the LP user's information
[21:54] <j1mc> hi all - is there a recommended method for scripting dconf / gsettings configuration settings?
[21:54] <j1mc> i.e., communicate with dbus?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> !PPA | kadobanana
[21:56] <koko> http://imgur.com/vnD3LCT
[21:56] <kadobanana> Is there some way to tell which ones are semi-official, or at least run by ... people who I am already trusting if I'm running ubuntu in the first place? For example https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+members#active ... I recognize a name or two on there, can I trust that those names are actually correct, are they vetted somehow, or?
[21:56] <pleasehelp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24308966/
[21:56] <koko> do you have similar problem?
[21:56] <pleasehelp> I put both interfaces files and the syslog information in the same pastbin
[21:56] <koko> http://imgur.com/vnD3LCT
[21:57] <pleasehelp> hopefully it is helpful
[21:58] <nacc> pleasehelp: there's no evidence there that the IP is not set
[21:58] <nacc> pleasehelp: on enp0s25
[21:58] <koko> hello?
[21:58] <pleasehelp> correct!  however ifconfig shows it isn't
[21:58] <pleasehelp> also I cannot use the interface
[21:58] <pleasehelp> if I type ifconfig enp0s25 up 10.0.0.1 then it works again
[21:58] <nacc> pleasehelp: ca you paste syslog without grep
[21:58] <nacc> *can
[21:59] <pleasehelp> one minute please
[21:59] <pleasehelp> PS: sudo service network-manager status confirms it is disabled
[21:59] <hxegon> ?ask koko
[22:00] <koko> http://imgur.com/vnD3LCT
[22:00] <koko> do you have similar problem?
[22:00] <hxegon> Stop linking and ask a question please koko
[22:00] <nacc> koko: it helps to ask a question with the image, otherwise we are less likely to resond
[22:00] <nacc> *respond
[22:00] <koko> well i can't describe it
[22:00] <nacc> koko: it's hard to distinguish that from spamming
[22:00] <nacc> koko: try :)
[22:01] <koko> the lining of different windows appears white - not transparent
[22:01] <kenrin> Do people still use ifconfig?  It sometimes has different output from "ip address show"  aka "ip a"
[22:01] <koko> like in the upper left corner in the link
[22:02] <Delvien> kenrin: ive always used ifconfig
[22:02] <pleasehelp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24309013/
[22:02] <pleasehelp> it is at the bottom
[22:02] <kenrin> It has been deprecated a few years now,  I"m waiting for it to die
[22:02] <andrej> How do I find proftpd.conf as it is installed? It doesn't seem to be in the .deb
[22:02] <andrej> I need to diff changes someone did on the file against the stock version
[22:03] <pleasehelp> ps: I am very thankful for the help
[22:04] <nacc> pleasehelp: ok, the link goes down on the interface enp0s25 (which is true because you have rebooted the other end of hte link)
[22:04] <ChaiTRex> andrej: These might help: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/72746/get-diff-changes-between-original-files-installed-with-apt-and-current-files
[22:04] <pleasehelp> nacc, having a link is NOT a requirement for having an ip address assigned
[22:05] <pleasehelp> nacc, the interface can have an ip with or without a cable
[22:05] <hxegon> koko: unless you are talking about that white box in the upper left corner, I don't see what you are describing
[22:05] <koko> yes
[22:05] <koko> the frame is white
[22:06] <nacc> pleasehelp: i undrestand, i'm telling you what your log says
[22:06] <nacc> pleasehelp: *something* believes enp0s25 is using dhcp
[22:06] <pleasehelp> nacc, ok, thanks, yes -- it does go down and it does say that and it does lose the ip address at (or very close to) the same time
[22:06] <nacc> pleasehelp: earlier you said you were using wicd
[22:06] <hxegon> koko: So that box is a window? what program is it?
[22:07] <koko> well i guess it's not the program because it happens everywhere
[22:07] <legendpop> hi
[22:07] <koko> for example when pressing control + w
[22:07] <hxegon> koko: have you tried restarting?
[22:07] <pleasehelp> nacc, yes, however I was told (not here or by you) that wicd would NOT do anything to an ethernet interface which was setup in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:07] <koko> everything has a weird white frame
[22:07] <koko> i did a few time restart
[22:08] <legendpop> I'm using feren os
[22:08] <pleasehelp> nacc, that by configuring it in interfaces you disable wicd
[22:08] <pleasehelp> (for that interface)
[22:08] <legendpop> and i have problem with my wifi driver
[22:08] <nacc> pleasehelp: i don't know if that is true or not
[22:08] <koko> i meant super + w
[22:08] <legendpop> please help
[22:09] <hxegon> koko: was there anything you did (tweaked a setting, update, installed a package, change hardware, etc) right before this started?
[22:09] <pleasehelp> maybe I can run strace or something on wicd to find out?
[22:09] <nacc> pleasehelp: is this interface (enp0s25) listed in wicd (gui)?
[22:10] <koko> hxegon well i am not sure
[22:10] <hxegon> legendpop: Describe the problem please
[22:10] <pleasehelp> nacc, checking
[22:11] <koko> hwo
[22:12] <koko> have you encountered something similar?
[22:13] <koko> maybe a bug in a new update
[22:13] <koko> i don't know
[22:13] <hxegon> koko: when did you update?
[22:13] <koko> yesterday
[22:13] <hxegon> or rather, did you update shortly before this started happening?
[22:13] <hxegon> ah
[22:14] <koko> i thought an update/upgrade would fix it
[22:14] <koko> unfortunately it didn't
[22:14] <hxegon> so it was happening before that? How long has this been going on?
[22:14] <koko> a week at most
[22:14] <nacc> pleasehelp: also it generally makes little sense to have both wicd and network manager installed
[22:14] <OerHeks> koko happens after hybernate?
[22:14] <pleasehelp> nacc, I am not using network manager so I could uninstall it
[22:15] <pleasehelp> nacc, it is disabled currently
[22:15] <koko> haven't noticed
[22:15] <nacc> pleasehelp: this might be avahi? i see that it withdraws the records for enp0s25
[22:15] <andrej> thanks ChaiTRex - that's what I tried. But the original is NOT in the deb, so I can't compare it, and hence my question
[22:15] <pleasehelp> nacc, I do see the wired interface in wicd but it is totally unclear to me how to know if it is being used or not by wicd
[22:15] <nacc> andrej: i'm guessing proftpd uses /usr/share/proftpd/templates/proftpd.conf
[22:16] <nacc> andrej: to mabye generate the actual proftpd.conf
[22:16] <nacc> pleasehelp: i don't understand what you mean and i don't use wicd
[22:16] <OerHeks> koko tons of bugreports seems to be solved with the 370 driver , http://askubuntu.com/questions/896277/white-border-after-resuming-ubuntu / http://askubuntu.com/questions/896221/strange-artifacts-along-window-borders-after-waking-computer-from-sleep-mode
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> andrej: One suboptimal alternative is to install it on a virtual machine and copy over the file.
[22:17] <koko> i will try
[22:17] <koko> thanks OerHeks
[22:17] <pleasehelp> nacc, do you want me to disable wicd?
[22:18] <pleasehelp> nacc, if I do I will lose this chat channel but I can test with it disabled and see if the interface stays up when the rpi reboots
[22:19] <pleasehelp> nacc, I don't know a lot about avahi
[22:19] <ChaiTRex> andrej: I keep a small immutable VM image for experiments. It comes in handy for things like that sometimes.
[22:20] <nacc> ChaiTRex: lxd makes that pretty trivial (lxc launch ubuntu:xenial)
[22:20] <andrej> thanks nacc - how did I miss that =}
[22:20] <nacc> andrej: i used `apt-file` to search for proftpd.conf
[22:20] <pleasehelp> nacc, thank you again ... I will disable wicd and be back after I know the results
[22:20] <andrej> ChaiTRex - sounds like a reasonable approach ;}
[22:21] <adrian_1908> hello, I'm unsure how best to set permission on my web server, could someone give me advice?
[22:21] <andrej> I just did a dpkg -S /etc/proftp/proftpd.conf which came back emptyhanded :)
[22:21] <andrej> thanks again
[22:22] <nacc> andrej: rigt, because i think it's a postinst step maybe? rather than a package-owned file
[22:22] <kenrin> Can't go wrong with 755 directory and 644 files andrian_1908
[22:22] <andrej> sounds logical
[22:23] <ChaiTRex> nacc: I'll look into that. Thanks :)
[22:24] <adrian_1908> kenrin: Right. But I'm unsure about ownership of the files. I have my "admin" user that should have "7" on all web-content, the webserver "www-data" that only needs files:4 and dirs:5  (I think?) and the PHP-fpm user that I presume should own the files, since it creates new ones under its name anyway.
[22:26] <adrian_1908> Should I make php-user:admin the owner of the files and set chmod g+s on all folders so the group gets preserved when php-user creates new files?
[22:27] <adrian_1908> The webserver should be able to use the "other" rights 66[4] and 77[5], right?
[22:28] <blackflow> adrian_1908: no. create a dedicated user, then run php-fpm as that user. as simple as that. with default perms (644 on files, 755 on dirs), nginx (as www-data) will read static files just fine.
[22:28] <blackflow> adrian_1908: ideally, you'd want the PHP files to be owned by root, and only leave a directory where php may write, owned by that user. but that will complicate things if you have to update php through, say, sftp
[22:29] <adrian_1908> blackflow: yes, I want easy modifying of content (e.g. sftp) for the admin user without sudo.
[22:30] <blackflow> adrian_1908: it's a convenice, but note that faulty/vulnerable PHP will then be able to modify its own executables
[22:31] <blackflow> adrian_1908: if you don't have to touch files created by php through sftp, then maybe you can have two users, one for php-fpm, but owned by another that you sftp with.
[22:31] <clackamas> blackflow: self-modifying executables is a feature.  Not a fault ;)
[22:31] <blackflow> clackamas: I forget! :)
[22:34] <bonsaitree> It seems that while experimenting with the intel wireless drivers for Linux, i deleted something essential, and now my wireless card won't even show while running 'iwconfig'. Are there any generic wireless drivers that i can install via apt-get or what is the name of the iwlwifi package, since apt-get can't find a package named 'iwlwifi'. Thanks in advance.
[22:35] <nacc> bonsaitree: why are you using intel wireless drivers?
[22:36] <bonsaitree> nacc:Well i guess those are the ones that should be used, idk?
[22:36] <nacc> bonsaitree: drivers come with the kernel
[22:36] <nacc> bonsaitree: what do you mean by "experimenting with the intel wireless drivers"? I assuem that means something not from Ubuntu
[22:36] <nacc> bonsaitree: and if, so, why?
[22:36] <nacc> *if so, why
[22:37] <clackamas> bonsaitree: apt-get --fix-missing install
[22:37] <adrian_1908> black: Thanks for the input, I'll have to think more about that. I'm setting up a flat-file CMS and I think it'll be writing files all over the place, so granting permissions selectively might be very tedious. Making "admin" member of the "php-user" group wouldn't be much better than giving admin group ownership directly I guess.
[22:38] <adrian_1908> (blackflow) so many Black* here ;)
[22:38] <blackflow> adrian_1908: just not THE actual "admin" user, I hope
[22:38] <bonsaitree> nacc:I was deleting the 'ucode' files, and wanted to insert a fresh one into /lib/firmware. There were many there, so i deleted them all, and replaced with one version. I have done that because my wireless link stability has decreased over the last 2 weeks, and i wanted to try to fix that.
[22:39] <nacc> bonsaitree: ugh
[22:39] <nacc> bonsaitree: so you found a bunch of microcode files and deleted them all?
[22:39] <clackamas> bosaitree: or sudo dpk-reconfigure kernel-package
[22:39] <nacc> bonsaitree: so probably you deleted the microcode needed (firwmare) for your driver
[22:40] <nacc> clackamas: i think it's the linux-firmware package
[22:40] <bonsaitree> nacc:Yes, but i think that those were just previous firmwares for the driver
[22:40] <nacc> bonsaitree: they are not.
[22:40] <blackflow> adrian_1908: then your simplest use case is to have one user you run php-fpm as, and sftp to. Thought I'd recommend separating owner of executables from the user who runs fpm, if at all possible.
[22:40] <bonsaitree> nacc:Well, i made a mistake then
[22:40] <nacc> bonsaitree: and even if they were, why did you think you knew better than the package maintainers?
[22:40] <donofrio> interface doesn't support scanning?
[22:40] <nacc> bonsaitree: and what bother is it to you if there are older ones there?
[22:40] <nacc> bonsaitree: it doesn't make any sense what you did! :)
[22:41] <nacc> bonsaitree: i think you just need to `apt install linux-firmware` with maybe a flag to reinstall
[22:41] <bonsaitree> nacc:Well i had a thought that newer == better, was not sure which version is used. Not very wise i see :)
[22:41] <adrian_1908> blackflow: ok, I'll ponder on that and return if I have more questions. thanks!
[22:41] <nacc> bonsaitree: i'm 99% sure those numbers are not age, they are models
[22:42] <nacc> bonsaitree: so you just deleted all firmware for all intel wireless cards
[22:42] <nacc> !latest | bonsaitree: also, this is generally good advice
[22:42] <bonsaitree> nacc:I see
[22:43] <bonsaitree> nacc:But if they are the firmwares for different models, how does that affect my single card?
[22:43] <nacc> bonsaitree: you deleted them all
[22:43] <nacc> bonsaitree: and presumably didn't put a firmware back in that supports your card
[22:43] <bonsaitree> nacc:But i replaced the one intended for my card, and it still doesn't work
[22:43] <nacc> bonsaitree: did you rebuild the initramfs?
[22:44] <bonsaitree> nacc:Nope, i thought just inserting the ucode is enough :D
[22:44] <nacc> bonsaitree: did you look in dmesg to see if the firmware loaded?
[22:44] <clackamas> bosaitree: you need to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-firmware
[22:44] <koko> OerHeks: thank you; driver problem fixed; you are my superhero man; thank you
[22:44] <bonsaitree> clackamas:Okay, will do that now
[22:45] <nacc> clackamas: i'm not sure that will do anything
[22:45] <nacc> clackamas: as the package contents have been removed
[22:45] <nacc> clackamas: it might, i'm just not sure
[22:45] <clackamas> bonsaitree: that should download any missing files and make sure they are configured correctly.
[22:45] <nacc> dpkg does not download anything
[22:45] <clackamas> nacc:  I should work.    That is what underlies 'apt-get --fix-missing' if memory serves me correctly.
[22:46] <nacc> clackamas: right, because *apt* downloads things
[22:47] <bonsaitree> clackamas:So first apt-get --fix-missing, and after that dpkg-reconfigure linux-firmware?
[22:49] <clackamas> if you do apt-get  install --fix-missing linux-firmware kernel-package
[22:49] <clackamas> that should should do everything you need.
[22:49] <bonsaitree> clackamas:Okay, thanks
[22:50] <bonsaitree> clackamas:So it turns out that even Linux has a "write this if you mess it up" command :D
[22:51] <clackamas> well, ubuntu does.
[22:51] <bonsaitree> clackamas:Isn't that a generic command? But i guess it's connected with the repositories..?
[22:52] <nacc> linux != ubuntu/debian
[22:52] <bonsaitree> nacc:Yes yes, my bad.. :)
[22:52] <nacc> apt only exists on the later, not in all linux, which i think was clackamas' point
[22:52] <clackamas> nacc: was correct reminding me that apt actually downloads stuff.
[22:52] <bonsaitree> nacc:Mhm
[22:52] <clackamas> I have been using RHEL too much lately.
[22:53] <bonsaitree> clackamas:Wow, RHEL's website is one of the most beautiful websites i've seen lately
[22:54] <bonsaitree> sorry for the offtopic
[22:54] <clackamas> I like www.system76.com's site.
[22:54] <clackamas> But I am probably going to end up buying a dell.
[22:55] <clackamas> for a laptop that is.  I build my own desktops.
[22:55] <hxegon> clackamas: I don't have personal experience, but I've heard terrible stuf about system76's laptops
[22:56] <clackamas> hxegon: yeah, I keep hearing stuff.  And the google searches seemed manipulated.  At least with Dell Precision, I get a 3 year warrnety.
[22:56] <clackamas> My work desktop is a Dell M4800.
[22:56] <clackamas> I have been happy with it.
[22:57] <clackamas> I am on the fence about a Dell Precision 7520 or 5220
[23:00] <bonsaitree> clackamas: A new version (/etc/kernel-img.conf.ucf-new) of configuration file /etc/kernel-img.conf is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified.  │
[23:00] <bonsaitree>      │                                                                                                                                                                       │
[23:00] <bonsaitree>      │ What do you want to do about modified configuration file kernel-img.conf?                                                                                             │
[23:00] <bonsaitree>      │                                                                                                                                                                       │
[23:00] <bonsaitree>      │                                                          install the package maintainer's version                                                                     │
[23:00] <bonsaitree>      │                                                          keep the local version currently installed                                                                   │
[23:00] <OerHeks> !paste
[23:01] <clackamas> bonsaitre: it will save your configuration.  Just go with the maintainers copy.
[23:02] <donofrio> kenrin, seen in dmesg that this interface doesn't support scanning?
[23:05] <CorsairX> Hi all, I'm having some issues installing Ubuntu server with a software RAID
[23:05] <CorsairX> I'm able to install ok but the computer is not able to see a bootable device (besides the USB key) after rebooting
[23:06] <bonsaitree> clackamas:Nope, 'iwconfig' won't show the built-in wireless card
[23:07] <kenrin> That is strange,  you sure "sudo rfkill list all" doesn't show any blocks ?
[23:08] <bonsaitree> kenrin:Nope, :no at software and hardware blocks
[23:08] <clackamas> bonsaitree: look in dmesg and also look through 'lsmod' to see if your wifi is there.
[23:09] <kenrin> Was talking to donofrio~
[23:09] <kenrin> =)
[23:09] <kenrin> You might just need better drivers installed,  i have no idea.  Macs are strange but it should use the b43 firmware
[23:09] <bonsaitree> kenrin:Oh, okay :)
[23:12] <bonsaitree> clackamas:For which module should i search for?
[23:12] <CorsairX> After creating the raid I used the guided partitioning on the raid device
[23:12] <CorsairX> Re-running the installer and I get the follow (my apologies for the literal screen shot)
[23:12] <CorsairX> https://imagebin.ca/v/3HqaMBsl1WOy
[23:13] <CorsairX> Would welcome any advice
[23:14] <donofrio> ok I'll try reinstalling b43-firmware-install
[23:15] <bonsaitree> clackamas:iwldvm, according to --> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi
[23:15] <bonsaitree> clackamas:But it's not here
[23:23] <bonsaitree> clackamas:I rebooted, and it's fixed now. Thanks a lot :)
[23:28] <emersonisafag> Hi
[23:36] <pavlos> pleasehelp, was the issue with pi <-> pc resolved?
[23:52] <Ghostreaver310> I've been googling an issue and sent a message to freenode, but wanted an opinion here. I found my irc client open this morning after loggin off and closing it last night. it had a failed login from NickServ this morning.  any ideas as to how this occurred?
[23:52] <schultza> if i seperate /usr, how much space does /usr and / need?
[23:55] <nacc> schultza: why are you separating /usr?
[23:55] <nacc> schultza: sizing it wrong will be painful to fix
[23:56] <schultza> not if you are using LVM
[23:56] <nacc> schultza: which you didn't say (or not say)
[23:56] <nacc> but even so, why do it?
[23:56] <schultza> and it's standard practice for red hat students... / needs space to run... /usr is pretty much programs that will run on top of gnu/linux
[23:56] <nacc> ... and you're on ubuntu
[23:57] <nacc> rhel can do whatever it wants, it's overhead and unnecessary afaict
[23:57] <schultza> im on gnu/linux
[23:57] <nacc> schultza: you're not on ubuntu?
[23:57] <schultza> red hat and ubuntu are different distros of the same thing
[23:57] <nacc> schultza: you're in the ubuntu support channel
[23:57] <hfp> Hi, I am using GNOME-terminal ans whenever there is a URL, the cursor changes into a hand pointer but I have to right click and "Open URL". Is this the only way?
[23:57] <nacc> schultza: separating /usr because RHEL does it is not really a very good answer
[23:57] <schultza> ubuntu doesnt need the guis in /usr to run.. command line will work with /usr seperated
[23:57] <nacc> schultza: i have no idea why you are mentioning that
[23:58] <schultza> doesnt matter my reasoning for why... how much space does it need and recommend?
[23:58] <nacc> schultza: we don't separate /usr in ubuntu by default, so there is no recommendation
[23:58] <nacc> and it needs what it uses
[23:58] <schultza> fine... ill installed it by default and do  a du on that damn dir myself... later.
[23:59] <nacc> which will be exactly the size after installation, not the size after you do anything
[23:59] <nacc> again, it seems like overhead and completely unnecessary
[23:59] <nacc> schultza: if you are asking what a particular user's /usr is size wise, mine is up to 9GB
[23:59] <nacc> schultza: but that has nothing to do with recommendations or otherwise