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| nicomachus | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/firefox-photon-redesign-mockups | 19:17 |
| acheron-a | hello Bashing-om | 21:36 |
| daftykins | \o | 21:36 |
| Bashing-om | Hey hey acheron-a ; what up ? | 21:37 |
| acheron-a | have you got a moment for a couple of questions | 21:37 |
| acheron-a | i am still new to ubuntu and don't know all the internals | 21:37 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Sure , fire away . ( may not accept the responses though ) . | 21:37 |
| daftykins | i'm game too :> | 21:37 |
| daftykins | for that little which hasn't changed since i knew it... | 21:38 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: I been a heavy user for better then 10 years and I still do not know :P | 21:38 |
| acheron-a | i noticed that nautilus will just say "Computer" unless there is a machine-info in /etc | 21:38 |
| acheron-a | then it picks up the name from that file | 21:39 |
| acheron-a | problem is, that file only gets generated if you change the computer name in [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details] | 21:40 |
| acheron-a | but that would be after the initial install | 21:40 |
| acheron-a | you can actually sit there with nautilus open and see the name change while you type it in details | 21:41 |
| daftykins | is this something you want when installing Ubuntu for others? because i'd imagine that's what the OEM setup thingy would help with | 21:42 |
| acheron-a | but then when you are done, it changes the host name to all lower case! | 21:42 |
| daftykins | but off hand i can't see why a name matters so much :) | 21:42 |
| nacc | acheron-a: so far you haven't stated the problem | 21:42 |
| nacc | acheron-a: so you don't wnat it to be lower case? | 21:42 |
| daftykins | hostnames should always be lowercase :) | 21:42 |
| acheron-a | then, it should say so in the install! | 21:42 |
| daftykins | meh, everything is case sensitive in Linux land so it's always worth bearing in mind | 21:43 |
| acheron-a | because the way the install is now, it allows up and lower case | 21:43 |
| nacc | acheron-a: what is in the file and what is displayed might be different | 21:43 |
| nacc | acheron-a: what variable did you assign to in the file? | 21:43 |
| nacc | (it has a manpage btw) | 21:43 |
| daftykins | yeah i'm sure it allows both, i'm just saying from experience it should be lower :> | 21:44 |
| nacc | also why does it matter what nautilus tells you the current computer's name is? | 21:44 |
| acheron-a | yes | 21:44 |
| nacc | "Computer" is good enough given that nautilus is browsing locally | 21:44 |
| acheron-a | correct, but why did it change when i just wanted to correct my host name | 21:44 |
| acheron-a | everything kind of went beserk | 21:45 |
| nacc | acheron-a: what did you change and where? | 21:45 |
| daftykins | hmm i just change hostname via CLI, not sure of graphical methods | 21:45 |
| nacc | acheron-a: and what do you mean berserk? it just changed what was displayed | 21:45 |
| nacc | again, actually describe something! :) | 21:45 |
| acheron-a | [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details], [Overview] Device name | 21:45 |
| acheron-a | thats where i changed it | 21:46 |
| acheron-a | weren't you paying attention? | 21:46 |
| nacc | ok, so you changed the 'device name' in settings | 21:46 |
| nacc | what do you think 'went berserk'? | 21:47 |
| daftykins | acheron-a: i'm talking about how you're supposed to, not how you chose to do it | 21:47 |
| acheron-a | try it for yourself and see | 21:47 |
| nacc | and what did you put in that field? | 21:47 |
| daftykins | acheron-a: btw your language is extremely rude. | 21:47 |
| nacc | no, i'm not going to change my system's hostname just to test out something | 21:47 |
| acheron-a | you can do it in a live boot | 21:47 |
| acheron-a | i was double checking it today | 21:47 |
| nacc | again, *what* went berserk? | 21:48 |
| daftykins | well it could've been fixed since a live ISO, so would be best on a fully updated VM | 21:48 |
| daftykins | not necessarily fixed but changed | 21:48 |
| acheron-a | forget it guys | 21:49 |
| acheron-a | sorry i brought it up | 21:49 |
| daftykins | you're behaving very strangely | 21:49 |
| nacc | feels like you don't want to answer the simplest of questions | 21:49 |
| * nacc assumes trolling | 21:49 | |
| acheron-a | you guys just want to argue with me instead of checking out my questions | 21:49 |
| daftykins | i'm not going to install a VM and mess about with a completely useless feature just because you want it to say something other than 'computer' | 21:50 |
| daftykins | fucking ridiculous. | 21:50 |
| * nacc isn't arguing -- i would like an actual explanation of what is expected and what happened | 21:50 | |
| nacc | which doesn't seem forthcoming | 21:50 |
| nacc | as i said, trolling (or the equivalent) and moving on now | 21:51 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: You "assume" we have access to what you see ... far from the case . For example presently I boot xubuntu . no nautilus here . | 21:51 |
| * nacc basically has a desktop environment purely to run 50 terminals :) | 21:51 | |
| acheron-a | i expected the host name to be changed just as if i entered it when i did the initial install | 21:51 |
| nacc | and what happened? | 21:51 |
| * nacc notes that he has a string in 'Device Name' and nautilus stills says 'Computer' | 21:52 | |
| acheron-a | everything went to lowercase and then "Computer" got changed to what was changed in the device name | 21:52 |
| Bashing-om | nacc: ^* and when I boot 14.04 same same .. only enough to boot my terminal emulator(s) . | 21:53 |
| nacc | Bashing-om: yep | 21:53 |
| acheron-a | well when i say everything, i mean the host names are in the hosts files | 21:53 |
| acheron-a | 16.04.2 is what i am on | 21:53 |
| acheron-a | well the 2nd issue was has anyone noticed or reported about the nautilus file manager hanging and time-out after you insert an USB drive and click on it to browse the files? seemed to have started after the eject update? | 21:54 |
| nacc | acheron-a: you changed the hostname and are wondering why it changed the hostname in /etc/hosts? | 21:55 |
| acheron-a | no | 21:55 |
| acheron-a | thats not it | 21:56 |
| acheron-a | i changed, just corrected a few missing letters | 21:56 |
| acheron-a | and instead of just making those changes, it put everything to lowercase | 21:56 |
| acheron-a | deleting machine-info causes nautilus to show "Computer" again | 21:58 |
| nacc | acheron-a: what was in machine-info? | 21:59 |
| nacc | acheron-a: note that i have a string in Device Name in settings and no /etc/machine-info file | 21:59 |
| OerHeks | it is strongly recommended to write the hostname in lowercase, since some protocols, particularly NIS, ignore capital letters .. so say thank you for changing lowercase | 21:59 |
| nacc | and i also would be very hesitnat to delete files owned by systemd | 21:59 |
| acheron-a | PRETTY_HOSTNAME=HP-EliteDesk-800-G1-SFF | 21:59 |
| nacc | and the manpage says to use hostnamectl to make changes to it | 22:00 |
| acheron-a | i understand the all lower cases | 22:00 |
| nacc | ah i see, i'm guessing if /etc/machine-info doesn't exist it falls back to /etc/hostname | 22:00 |
| acheron-a | but why didn't the installer do that? because i had backups of those files in /etc | 22:01 |
| acheron-a | it was just the lack consistency that threw me off | 22:01 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Big changes from what was (upstart) to what is (systemd) :) | 22:03 |
| acheron-a | yes | 22:03 |
| Bashing-om | I note that not all is fluid to this time . | 22:04 |
| acheron-a | i read about that but legacy's sake of having those files around, it should have been lower case in the first place | 22:04 |
| nacc | acheron-a: why didn't the installer do what? | 22:04 |
| acheron-a | write them all out in lower case | 22:05 |
| nacc | so you're saying that /etc/hosts had upper case strings in it? | 22:08 |
| acheron-a | yes | 22:08 |
| acheron-a | before i made the correction in the gui | 22:08 |
| acheron-a | upper and lower | 22:09 |
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