=== matsasc_ is now known as matsasc [07:36] good morning all === boshhead_ is now known as boshhead [08:24] morning [08:47] morning EriC^^ - how are things? [08:49] ducasse: good thanks you? [08:50] ok, thanks. electrician installed smart meter this morning. [09:07] hi guys :) [09:11] hey === tsimonq2alt is now known as tsimonq2 [11:58] 'Morning folks [11:58] 'Morning folks [11:58] 'Morning folks [11:58] oops [12:08] 'Morning BluesKaj [12:16] Hi brunch875 === technochips_ is now known as technochips === JanC is now known as Guest85044 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [19:17] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/firefox-photon-redesign-mockups [21:36] hello Bashing-om [21:36] \o [21:37] Hey hey acheron-a ; what up ? [21:37] have you got a moment for a couple of questions [21:37] i am still new to ubuntu and don't know all the internals [21:37] acheron-a: Sure , fire away . ( may not accept the responses though ) . [21:37] i'm game too :> [21:38] for that little which hasn't changed since i knew it... [21:38] acheron-a: I been a heavy user for better then 10 years and I still do not know :P [21:38] i noticed that nautilus will just say "Computer" unless there is a machine-info in /etc [21:39] then it picks up the name from that file [21:40] problem is, that file only gets generated if you change the computer name in [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details] [21:40] but that would be after the initial install [21:41] you can actually sit there with nautilus open and see the name change while you type it in details [21:42] is this something you want when installing Ubuntu for others? because i'd imagine that's what the OEM setup thingy would help with [21:42] but then when you are done, it changes the host name to all lower case! [21:42] but off hand i can't see why a name matters so much :) [21:42] acheron-a: so far you haven't stated the problem [21:42] acheron-a: so you don't wnat it to be lower case? [21:42] hostnames should always be lowercase :) [21:42] then, it should say so in the install! [21:43] meh, everything is case sensitive in Linux land so it's always worth bearing in mind [21:43] because the way the install is now, it allows up and lower case [21:43] acheron-a: what is in the file and what is displayed might be different [21:43] acheron-a: what variable did you assign to in the file? [21:43] (it has a manpage btw) [21:44] yeah i'm sure it allows both, i'm just saying from experience it should be lower :> [21:44] also why does it matter what nautilus tells you the current computer's name is? [21:44] yes [21:44] "Computer" is good enough given that nautilus is browsing locally [21:44] correct, but why did it change when i just wanted to correct my host name [21:45] everything kind of went beserk [21:45] acheron-a: what did you change and where? [21:45] hmm i just change hostname via CLI, not sure of graphical methods [21:45] acheron-a: and what do you mean berserk? it just changed what was displayed [21:45] again, actually describe something! :) [21:45] [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details], [Overview] Device name [21:46] thats where i changed it [21:46] weren't you paying attention? [21:46] ok, so you changed the 'device name' in settings [21:47] what do you think 'went berserk'? [21:47] acheron-a: i'm talking about how you're supposed to, not how you chose to do it [21:47] try it for yourself and see [21:47] and what did you put in that field? [21:47] acheron-a: btw your language is extremely rude. [21:47] no, i'm not going to change my system's hostname just to test out something [21:47] you can do it in a live boot [21:47] i was double checking it today [21:48] again, *what* went berserk? [21:48] well it could've been fixed since a live ISO, so would be best on a fully updated VM [21:48] not necessarily fixed but changed [21:49] forget it guys [21:49] sorry i brought it up [21:49] you're behaving very strangely [21:49] feels like you don't want to answer the simplest of questions [21:49] * nacc assumes trolling [21:49] you guys just want to argue with me instead of checking out my questions [21:50] i'm not going to install a VM and mess about with a completely useless feature just because you want it to say something other than 'computer' [21:50] fucking ridiculous. [21:50] * nacc isn't arguing -- i would like an actual explanation of what is expected and what happened [21:50] which doesn't seem forthcoming [21:51] as i said, trolling (or the equivalent) and moving on now [21:51] acheron-a: You "assume" we have access to what you see ... far from the case . For example presently I boot xubuntu . no nautilus here . [21:51] * nacc basically has a desktop environment purely to run 50 terminals :) [21:51] i expected the host name to be changed just as if i entered it when i did the initial install [21:51] and what happened? [21:52] * nacc notes that he has a string in 'Device Name' and nautilus stills says 'Computer' [21:52] everything went to lowercase and then "Computer" got changed to what was changed in the device name [21:53] nacc: ^* and when I boot 14.04 same same .. only enough to boot my terminal emulator(s) . [21:53] Bashing-om: yep [21:53] well when i say everything, i mean the host names are in the hosts files [21:53] 16.04.2 is what i am on [21:54] well the 2nd issue was has anyone noticed or reported about the nautilus file manager hanging and time-out after you insert an USB drive and click on it to browse the files? seemed to have started after the eject update? [21:55] acheron-a: you changed the hostname and are wondering why it changed the hostname in /etc/hosts? [21:55] no [21:56] thats not it [21:56] i changed, just corrected a few missing letters [21:56] and instead of just making those changes, it put everything to lowercase [21:58] deleting machine-info causes nautilus to show "Computer" again [21:59] acheron-a: what was in machine-info? [21:59] acheron-a: note that i have a string in Device Name in settings and no /etc/machine-info file [21:59] it is strongly recommended to write the hostname in lowercase, since some protocols, particularly NIS, ignore capital letters .. so say thank you for changing lowercase [21:59] and i also would be very hesitnat to delete files owned by systemd [21:59] PRETTY_HOSTNAME=HP-EliteDesk-800-G1-SFF [22:00] and the manpage says to use hostnamectl to make changes to it [22:00] i understand the all lower cases [22:00] ah i see, i'm guessing if /etc/machine-info doesn't exist it falls back to /etc/hostname [22:01] but why didn't the installer do that? because i had backups of those files in /etc [22:01] it was just the lack consistency that threw me off [22:03] acheron-a: Big changes from what was (upstart) to what is (systemd) :) [22:03] yes [22:04] I note that not all is fluid to this time . [22:04] i read about that but legacy's sake of having those files around, it should have been lower case in the first place [22:04] acheron-a: why didn't the installer do what? [22:05] write them all out in lower case [22:08] so you're saying that /etc/hosts had upper case strings in it? [22:08] yes [22:08] before i made the correction in the gui [22:09] upper and lower