[07:36] <ducasse> good morning all
[08:24] <EriC^^> morning
[08:47] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - how are things?
[08:49] <EriC^^> ducasse: good thanks you?
[08:50] <ducasse> ok, thanks. electrician installed smart meter this morning.
[09:07] <ikevin> hi guys :)
[09:11] <EriC^^> hey
[11:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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[11:58] <BluesKaj> oops
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[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi brunch875
[19:17] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/firefox-photon-redesign-mockups
[21:36] <acheron-a> hello Bashing-om
[21:36] <daftykins> \o
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Hey hey acheron-a ; what up ?
[21:37] <acheron-a> have you got a moment for a couple of questions
[21:37] <acheron-a> i am still new to ubuntu and don't know all the internals
[21:37] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Sure , fire away . ( may not accept the responses though ) .
[21:37] <daftykins> i'm game too :>
[21:38] <daftykins> for that little which hasn't changed since i knew it...
[21:38] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: I been a heavy user for better then 10 years and I still do not know :P
[21:38] <acheron-a> i noticed that nautilus will just say "Computer" unless there is a machine-info in /etc
[21:39] <acheron-a> then it picks up the name from that file
[21:40] <acheron-a> problem is, that file only gets generated if you change the computer name in [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details]
[21:40] <acheron-a> but that would be after the initial install
[21:41] <acheron-a> you can actually sit there with nautilus open and see the name change while you type it in details
[21:42] <daftykins> is this something you want when installing Ubuntu for others? because i'd imagine that's what the OEM setup thingy would help with
[21:42] <acheron-a> but then when you are done, it changes the host name to all lower case!
[21:42] <daftykins> but off hand i can't see why a name matters so much :)
[21:42] <nacc> acheron-a: so far you haven't stated the problem
[21:42] <nacc> acheron-a: so you don't wnat it to be lower case?
[21:42] <daftykins> hostnames should always be lowercase :)
[21:42] <acheron-a> then, it should say so in the install!
[21:43] <daftykins> meh, everything is case sensitive in Linux land so it's always worth bearing in mind
[21:43] <acheron-a> because the way the install is now, it allows up and lower case
[21:43] <nacc> acheron-a: what is in the file and what is displayed might be different
[21:43] <nacc> acheron-a: what variable did you assign to in the file?
[21:43] <nacc> (it has a manpage btw)
[21:44] <daftykins> yeah i'm sure it allows both, i'm just saying from experience it should be lower :>
[21:44] <nacc> also why does it matter what nautilus tells you the current computer's name is?
[21:44] <acheron-a> yes
[21:44] <nacc> "Computer" is good enough given that nautilus is browsing locally
[21:44] <acheron-a> correct, but why did it change when i just wanted to correct my host name
[21:45] <acheron-a> everything kind of went beserk
[21:45] <nacc> acheron-a: what did you change and where?
[21:45] <daftykins> hmm i just change hostname via CLI, not sure of graphical methods
[21:45] <nacc> acheron-a: and what do you mean berserk? it just changed what was displayed
[21:45] <nacc> again, actually describe something! :)
[21:45] <acheron-a> [System Settings], [All Settings], System => [Details], [Overview] Device name
[21:46] <acheron-a> thats where i changed it
[21:46] <acheron-a> weren't you paying attention?
[21:46] <nacc> ok, so you changed the 'device name' in settings
[21:47] <nacc> what do you think 'went berserk'?
[21:47] <daftykins> acheron-a: i'm talking about how you're supposed to, not how you chose to do it
[21:47] <acheron-a> try it for yourself and see
[21:47] <nacc> and what did you put in that field?
[21:47] <daftykins> acheron-a: btw your language is extremely rude.
[21:47] <nacc> no, i'm not going to change my system's hostname just to test out something
[21:47] <acheron-a> you can do it in a live boot
[21:47] <acheron-a> i was double checking it today
[21:48] <nacc> again, *what* went berserk?
[21:48] <daftykins> well it could've been fixed since a live ISO, so would be best on a fully updated VM
[21:48] <daftykins> not necessarily fixed but changed
[21:49] <acheron-a> forget it guys
[21:49] <acheron-a> sorry i brought it up
[21:49] <daftykins> you're behaving very strangely
[21:49] <nacc> feels like you don't want to answer the simplest of questions
[21:49]  * nacc assumes trolling
[21:49] <acheron-a> you guys just want to argue with me instead of checking out my questions
[21:50] <daftykins> i'm not going to install a VM and mess about with a completely useless feature just because you want it to say something other than 'computer'
[21:50] <daftykins> fucking ridiculous.
[21:50]  * nacc isn't arguing -- i would like an actual explanation of what is expected and what happened
[21:50] <nacc> which doesn't seem forthcoming
[21:51] <nacc> as i said, trolling (or the equivalent) and moving on now
[21:51] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: You "assume" we have access to what you see ... far from the case . For example presently I boot xubuntu . no nautilus here .
[21:51]  * nacc basically has a desktop environment purely to run 50 terminals :)
[21:51] <acheron-a> i expected the host name to be changed just as if i entered it when i did the initial install
[21:51] <nacc> and what happened?
[21:52]  * nacc notes that he has a string in 'Device Name' and nautilus stills says 'Computer'
[21:52] <acheron-a> everything went to lowercase and then "Computer" got changed to what was changed in the device name
[21:53] <Bashing-om> nacc: ^* and when I boot 14.04 same same .. only enough to boot my terminal emulator(s) .
[21:53] <nacc> Bashing-om: yep
[21:53] <acheron-a> well when i say everything, i mean the host names are in the hosts files
[21:53] <acheron-a> 16.04.2 is what i am on
[21:54] <acheron-a> well the 2nd issue was has anyone noticed or reported about the nautilus file manager hanging and time-out after you insert an USB drive and click on it to browse the files?  seemed to have started after the eject update?
[21:55] <nacc> acheron-a: you changed the hostname and are wondering why it changed the hostname in /etc/hosts?
[21:55] <acheron-a> no
[21:56] <acheron-a> thats not it
[21:56] <acheron-a> i changed, just corrected a few missing letters
[21:56] <acheron-a> and instead of just making those changes, it put everything to lowercase
[21:58] <acheron-a> deleting machine-info causes nautilus to show "Computer" again
[21:59] <nacc> acheron-a: what was in machine-info?
[21:59] <nacc> acheron-a: note that i have a string in Device Name in settings and no /etc/machine-info file
[21:59] <OerHeks> it is  strongly recommended to write the hostname in lowercase, since some protocols, particularly NIS, ignore capital letters .. so say thank you for changing lowercase
[21:59] <nacc> and i also would be very hesitnat to delete files owned by systemd
[21:59] <acheron-a> PRETTY_HOSTNAME=HP-EliteDesk-800-G1-SFF
[22:00] <nacc> and the manpage says to use hostnamectl to make changes to it
[22:00] <acheron-a> i understand the all lower cases
[22:00] <nacc> ah i see, i'm guessing if /etc/machine-info doesn't exist it falls back to /etc/hostname
[22:01] <acheron-a> but why didn't the installer do that?  because i had backups of those files in /etc
[22:01] <acheron-a> it was just the lack consistency that threw me off
[22:03] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Big changes from what was (upstart) to what is (systemd) :)
[22:03] <acheron-a> yes
[22:04] <Bashing-om> I note that not all is fluid to this time .
[22:04] <acheron-a> i read about that but legacy's sake of having those files around, it should have been lower case in the first place
[22:04] <nacc> acheron-a: why didn't the installer do what?
[22:05] <acheron-a> write them all out in lower case
[22:08] <nacc> so you're saying that /etc/hosts had upper case strings in it?
[22:08] <acheron-a> yes
[22:08] <acheron-a> before i made the correction in the gui
[22:09] <acheron-a> upper and lower