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[06:38] <bonsaitree> Is there a way to change the icon of the network manager? I don't like this Android-styled 3 bar triangle-alike icon, and want to replace it with the old-school 4-5 bars icon. Anyone knows how to do this and is this possible? Thanks in advance.
[06:39] <pmjdebruijn> probably via /usr/share/icons
[06:40] <pmjdebruijn> but realisticly you shouldn't really mess with that
[10:28]  * ssarah hallo
[10:30] <knome> hello.
[11:29] <NewUser> Hi
[11:29] <NewUser>       hello
[11:56] <nsh> anyone else know of issues with broken menus in qt4/5 apps?
[11:56] <nsh> QGtkStyle could not resolve GTK. Make sure you have installed the proper libraries.
[11:56] <nsh> QCommonStyle::drawComplexControl: Control 1 not handled
[12:50] <xubuntu58o> help
[12:53] <xubuntu58o> ls
[14:06] <DexterF> oi
[14:07] <DexterF> where's the memtest gone on 16.04?
[14:07] <DexterF> (live)
[14:55] <DexterF> guys?
[14:56] <DexterF> (and gals, if there be any)
[14:59] <dreamer> hi all, somehow some if my configured locales are set to french. this has no use to me. how can I make
[14:59] <dreamer> them english?
[14:59] <dreamer> (this is from a default xubuntu installation btw. tres weird)
[15:21] <krytarik> DexterF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memtest86+/+bug/883017/comments/3
[15:26] <krytarik> dreamer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/232592/xubuntu-12-04-wrong-time-change-system-language
[15:32] <dreamer> oddly I do see that I'm using french ubuntu mirrors
[15:33] <dreamer> but the system language is in english
[15:35] <dreamer> krytarik: it's set to english. but the locales are still complaining about french (I also removed french as an installed language)
[15:36] <dreamer> this is really weird
[15:38] <DexterF> krytarik: gah. ok, ill try standalone or legacy or whatever
[15:43] <krytarik> dreamer: Then also see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[15:49] <dreamer> ah ok. I have to log out and back in
[16:07] <mises> when i right click on thunar, an option comes up named "delete" which gets rid of a file permanently without moving it to trash, how can i remove this option?
[17:01] <bonsaitree> How do i know which .png image is used for the network-manager? When i go into /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-light/status/ there are 3 folders there - 16, 22, 24.
[17:10] <GridCube> bonsaitree: it depends on the size of your panel, if its 16px or less it uses the 16px one, if its 32px wide it uses that one, if its more than 64px wide it uses that one
[17:11] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Yup, but how do i find out the resolution of my icon?
[17:11] <GridCube> look at the size of your panel
[17:12] <bonsaitree> GridCube:My bad, instead of panel, i read icon, sorry
[17:17] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Interesting, my panel size is 24px, i am deleting all of the icons for network-manager, battery, etc (making a backup folder) from the folder, and the icons are still in the panel, there is no blank space or something. Is it somehow linked with those .pngs, so even if their location is modify, they can still be accessed?
[17:17] <bonsaitree> modified*
[17:17] <GridCube> you probably need to reload the panel
[17:17] <GridCube> xfce4-panel --restart i think
[17:17] <GridCube> or --reload
[17:19] <bonsaitree> GridCube: "No running instance of xfce4-panel was found"
[17:19] <GridCube> o.O
[17:19] <GridCube> thats not right
[17:19] <GridCube> are you using xfce?
[17:19] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Sure
[17:20] <GridCube> well, don't know where to help you there
[17:20] <bonsaitree> GridCube:xfce4-panel 4.12.0
[17:21] <GridCube> run it?
[17:22] <bonsaitree> xfce4-panel: Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined
[17:22] <bonsaitree> + a floating grey box
[17:22] <bonsaitree> clickable and movable
[17:22] <GridCube> lol
[17:22] <GridCube> sorry but no idea
[17:23] <GridCube> restart xfwm4
[17:23] <bonsaitree> Me neither
[17:24] <bonsaitree> GridCube:The man page won't give any info on how to restart
[17:24] <GridCube> xfwm4 --replace
[17:26] <bonsaitree> GridCube:The GUI is uglier now
[17:26] <GridCube> but you have one, so thats a start
[17:28] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Had to reboot, everything froze
[17:29] <GridCube> mmmkay
[17:29] <GridCube> luckily you got your system back i guess?
[17:30] <bonsaitree> Yes
[17:30] <GridCube> good, do you have xfce4-panel running? and your window decorations as well?
[17:31] <bonsaitree> GridCube:I will check again, since it was not running previously
[17:31] <bonsaitree> Nope, no running instance
[17:31] <bonsaitree> should i run it?
[17:32] <GridCube> well, do you have a panel?
[17:32] <GridCube> o.o
[17:32] <GridCube> i mean
[17:32] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Yes
[17:32] <GridCube> then you should have an instance of it running ain't it not?
[17:35] <bonsaitree> GridCube: http://i.imgur.com/HkzWRc6.png
[17:35] <GridCube> sep, parece que está corriendo
[17:36] <GridCube> wait
[17:36] <GridCube> you running commands in root?
[17:36] <GridCube> o.O
[17:36] <GridCube> you shouldn't
[17:36] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Why not?
[17:36] <GridCube> because it's not a good idea, you are in an ubuntu ecosystem, is designed to not use root unless extremely necesary
[17:37] <GridCube> if i had to bet, i'd say that its trying to see if root is running xfce4-panel or something, probably not, but still
[17:37] <bonsaitree> GridCube:Yes, but if i am positioned in a path, and want to open GUI there and modify directly, it is a lot better to use root, otherwise i would not be able to modify
[17:37] <knome> also if you run applications with the root permissions, it's possible that something doesn't work
[17:38] <knome> "because i'm lazy" isn't a good reason to use root.
[17:38] <bonsaitree> Isn't root the superlative?
[17:38] <GridCube> yeah, if it started the panel in root mode then your user might not be able to see it
[17:39] <bonsaitree> Or some things are intentionally designed to not work on root, to prevent damage?
[17:39] <GridCube> thats most of ubuntu bonsaitree
[17:39] <GridCube> unless extremely needed, you never need root
[17:39] <knome> a lot of user-facing software should NOT be ran as root because doing that creates permission problems.
[17:40] <bonsaitree> My ignorance then
[17:40] <GridCube> P: we all have to learn one day
[17:41] <bonsaitree> So, should i then try those things you mentioned with a regular user?
[17:41] <GridCube> yes, maybe? i don't know now if permissions are in the way, not my area of expertise if i have one
[17:42] <bonsaitree> yes, not it reloades the panel
[17:42] <bonsaitree> now*
[17:42] <knome> it's likely that some permissions are already wrong as you've ran stuff as root, but you can try
[17:42] <knome> so are you now back to the starting point?
[17:42] <bonsaitree> But, the initial thing that we made this for
[17:43] <bonsaitree> The icons are still there, and i have removed them
[17:43] <knome> ok, so are you using the ubuntu-mono-light theme?
[17:43] <bonsaitree> knome:That's what i thought now. Maybe i am deleting in the wrong theme folder
[17:44] <knome> first of all, deleting random files from directories that need root write access isn't generally a good idea
[17:44] <knome> second, check which icon theme you are using first
[17:44] <bonsaitree> knome:Even if you backup them and they are a regular .png?
[17:45] <knome> yes.
[17:45] <bonsaitree> I will ask why, if you have the time for a short answer
[17:45] <bonsaitree> If not, it's okay :)
[17:45] <knome> the (icon) theming, as many other configuration related things are built so that you can override the system defaults
[17:46] <knome> so instead of having to remove any files (that again need root rights using which might end up wrong) you can add files to your personal configuration
[17:49] <bonsaitree> mhm
[17:50] <knome> and if a package is updated, it's possible that the files are created again
[17:50] <knome> so you'll lose your modification
[17:50] <knome> that's one argument why you would want to do the configuration on a non-system level
[17:51] <bonsaitree> elementary Xfce darker is the theme i am using
[17:57] <Guest7876> hello folks, anyone able to try and help me with a small issue?
[17:57] <knome> ask the question and find out? :)
[18:00] <Guest7876> when i'm watching movies on VLC the screen goes totally blank after around 10 minutes.  I bump the mouse it comes back.  XFCE power manager is turned off, my xset settings are set to off, noblank and noexpose, and dpms is off.
[18:00] <knome> turn the presentation mode on from the power applet on the panel
[18:01] <Guest7876> should i only do this when watching a movie?  something like caffenine for xscreensaver?
[18:02] <Guest7876> or can i just leave it checked?
[18:02] <knome> you can leave it checked if you don't ever want the monitor to turn off
[18:04] <Guest7876> great, thanks.  first time i've been hear and that was way faster and easier than expected.. take care.
[21:57] <skrite> exit