| lubot | <Simon> Ok | 00:09 |
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| lubot | <Julien> RIP Unity :-) | 17:49 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> O.O | 17:49 |
| wxl | heh, yep. maybe even RIP Mir! | 17:49 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Why? | 17:49 |
| wxl | cuz why would they need it at that point? they can just hop on the Wayland bandwagon. | 17:50 |
| lubot | <Simon> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ | 17:50 |
| lubot | <Julien> Simon was faster :-) | 17:50 |
| acheronuk | quote: mhall on telegram "unless someone takes over Unity 8 and Mir, it essentially means the end for those projects" | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Julien> Mostly RIP all desktop specific components | 17:51 |
| wxl | yes! | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Julien> Indicator and all | 17:51 |
| wxl | soooooo is "Ubuntu GNOME" going to end then? | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Simon> I've been talking to Mark himself on Telegram | 17:51 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> OMG | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Simon> The Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu main projects are merging | 17:51 |
| wxl | .@tsimonq2 tell me about wayland!!! | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Simon> I just asked him about Mir. No response yet. | 17:52 |
| lubot | <Julien> so RIP ubuntu gnome too :-) | 17:52 |
| wxl | yep that too | 17:52 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> RIP everything! | 17:52 |
| lubot | <Simon> Well not RIP, it's just being merged | 17:52 |
| wxl | i'm gonna rip you, rafael | 17:52 |
| lubot | <Julien> That the polical way to say it :-) | 17:53 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> O.O | 17:53 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> That sounds gay! .__. | 17:53 |
| wxl | ever thing that may have been the intention? :) | 17:53 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Yer, actually LOL | 17:53 |
| lubot | <Simon> Hahahahahaha | 17:54 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> So I, using the Ubuntu gnome desktop now, am the future?! | 17:54 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> ^^ | 17:54 |
| lubot | <Julien> No, a traitor | 17:55 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> LOL | 17:55 |
| lubot | <Julien> :-P | 17:55 |
| lubot | <Simon> Hahahahahaha lol | 17:55 |
| wxl | hahahah | 17:55 |
| wxl | what it means is, for once, we'll all be working on the same basic thing | 17:55 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> In my defense, i have Lubuntu VMised | 17:55 |
| wxl | fail | 17:56 |
| lubot | <Simon> Except for Snaps. We'll still be fragmented as all hell in that regard | 17:56 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> We should use one package type | 17:57 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> ONE | 17:57 |
| lubot | <Simon> /me joins the .deb camp | 17:57 |
| wxl | well we might be forced to :O | 17:57 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> It's our main weakness | 17:57 |
| lubot | <Simon> I wonder what would happen if we went to Canonical's office with signs and protested XD | 17:58 |
| lubot | <Simon> (kidding) | 17:58 |
| lubot | <Julien> Why ? In fact, it's kind of good news :-) | 17:59 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Or we could to to canonical building and eat a pizza. The restaurant at the first floor is amazing .__. | 17:59 |
| wxl | julien: he means protest snaps | 17:59 |
| lubot | <Simon> Wait... YOU'VE BEEN THERE?!? | 17:59 |
| lubot | <Julien> Except for my french dev friends which work hours on unity | 17:59 |
| lubot | <Julien> What is snap ? I only know .deb ;-) | 18:00 |
| wxl | it seems that some canonical employees have been reassigned to so-called snap advocacy so they're pushing hard on it | 18:00 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Emmm yes? It's my birthplace, remember? I go every time i have the chance | 18:00 |
| wxl | simon, it's only too bad rafael doesn't speak the language anymore XD | 18:00 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> I installed a snap once. It failed 😂 | 18:00 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> I still remember PIZZA 😍 | 18:01 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Wait, that's Italian... | 18:01 |
| wxl | i've only used them in core and had no problem | 18:01 |
| lubot | <Simon> Bah. Let's go protest! Lol | 18:01 |
| lubot | <Julien> I think it's a dead end, the battle is lost, the real standart is android packaging for apps | 18:01 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Yes. I'm calling for a pepperoni pizza. | 18:01 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> But android itself isn't good at all. | 18:02 |
| wxl | android packaging? :O | 18:02 |
| wxl | i assume you mean .apk? | 18:02 |
| lubot | <Julien> Yes, well, apps which are distributed for Android | 18:03 |
| lubot | <Simon> @julienlavergne Snaps are Canonical's new fancy bloated proprietary-as-in-lack-of-collaboration packaging format. :P | 18:03 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Wait, so if we use Gnone3, Wayland, and we implement flatpak... Aren't we using Fedora?! | 18:03 |
| lubot | <Julien> Remenber, I'm french and on phone, it's difficult :-) | 18:03 |
| wxl | remember, rafael, a linux distro is entirely defined by its community | 18:04 |
| wxl | (so, no) | 18:04 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Let's merge too! | 18:04 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Orgy! | 18:05 |
| wxl | that sounds gay | 18:05 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Again, intention embedded | 18:05 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> .__. | 18:05 |
| wxl | embedded sounds gay too | 18:05 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> LOL | 18:05 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Inserted? | 18:05 |
| wxl | gay | 18:05 |
| lubot | <Julien> if you remove the google stuff, it's not so bad (my Fairphone like it :-)) | 18:06 |
| lubot | <Simon> Oh, we can protest at LFNW by NOT talking about Snaps to anyone unless they ask. :P | 18:06 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> I don't need a single bit of Google. I don't use it. | 18:06 |
| wxl | i guess i don't see any significant value to apks except for their widespread usage. i'm not sure we'd have the same flexibility as we do with debs. | 18:07 |
| wxl | i've been ridding myself of google slowly | 18:07 |
| lubot | <Simon> Me too. | 18:07 |
| wxl | once i discovered using an imap client caused an ip leak, that was enough | 18:07 |
| wxl | webrtc enabled by default kind of sucks, too | 18:07 |
| wxl | (which is another form of ip leak) | 18:07 |
| lubot | <Julien> That's the point, it's widespread | 18:08 |
| wxl | i guess i'd need to explore it further | 18:08 |
| lubot | <Julien> Even Microsoft have difficulties to make apps for windows phone ... | 18:09 |
| lubot | <Simon> But there's Telegram for that now ;} | 18:10 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> Windows Phone project has been closed | 18:13 |
| wxl | i guess that explains a lot. if microsoft is getting out of the convergence game, there's no reason to bother | 19:17 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> but Samsung presented their S8 with "convergence". it runs On a monitor in desktop mode | 19:18 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> also, there's an Android fork (can't recall its name) that works in multi-window, taskbar, etc. everybody's tempted on it | 19:19 |
| wxl | well there you go. samsung clearly is providing competition and they OWN the non-iOS market, so again, why bother? | 19:19 |
| wxl | tizen? | 19:19 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> 😞 | 19:19 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> but Ubuntu Touch is beautiful | 19:20 |
| wxl | tizen pass, actually, i think | 19:20 |
| wxl | unfortunatelly, it's also massively insecure https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-with-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/ | 19:21 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> no, not Tizen, a Chrome-thing | 19:21 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> also, there're ChromeOS Images that run in x86 and amd64 machines now (desktop mode too) | 19:26 |
| wxl | well that's what chromebooks are aren't they? | 19:26 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> yup, normal laptops, more or less | 19:26 |
| lyn||ian | I really wonder what this means for say ubiquity | 19:28 |
| wxl | it's sad. my friend warned me there was little hope of surviving in the mobile market | 19:28 |
| wxl | should say nothing, really | 19:28 |
| wxl | did you make the telegram public, simon? | 19:29 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> you can use t.me urls | 19:30 |
| wxl | that's what i intend | 19:30 |
| wxl | hey @tsimonq2 make the telegram public | 19:31 |
| wxl | also make us all admins @tsimonq2 | 19:31 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> @tsimonq2 do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! | 19:31 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> omg, I just realised you can expand names, @wxl23 | 19:31 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> ...using TAB key | 19:32 |
| wxl | unfortunately @vikingredwolf on this end you can't see the actual telegram username. it's.. dumb. | 19:32 |
| wxl | i need to file a bug | 19:32 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> yup, the bridge isn't "fully" working | 19:32 |
| wxl | cuz you mean it doesn't show images? | 19:33 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> no | 19:33 |
| wxl | what do you mean then? | 19:33 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> can you see diz? | 19:33 |
| wxl | yep | 19:33 |
| wxl | all that gay talk from before was registered on our public channel XD | 19:33 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> O.O | 19:34 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> /me changes Lubuntu official wallpaper into pink | 19:34 |
| lyn||ian | yay | 19:35 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> /me adds Britney as startup sound | 19:35 |
| wxl | ewwww | 19:35 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> "oops I did it again" mainly | 19:35 |
| * lyn||ian ends up thinking about #ubuntu-release oh wait you meant britney spears eww | 19:35 | |
| lubot | <RedWolf> yer XD | 19:36 |
| wxl | yeah that's just offensive | 19:39 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> .__. | 19:39 |
| wxl | you know i have no idea why it shows you as <RedWolf> here. based on others, it should show <Rafael> | 19:41 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> no, there's no such Rafael in my Telegram account | 19:41 |
| wxl | oh ok that explains it | 19:41 |
| wxl | mus tbe an address book thing over here | 19:42 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> how does it show? | 19:43 |
| wxl | <RedWolf> | 19:43 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> good :) | 19:44 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> OMG! I just realised that Canonical will drop all the QML technology | 20:22 |
| wxl | oh yeah | 20:22 |
| wxl | they'll be kind of getting rid of Qt | 20:22 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> yes! back to pure GTK | 20:23 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> this means that a Lubuntu going to Qt/QML just for Unity compatibility shouldn't be a goal at all | 20:23 |
| wxl | yeah no not at all | 20:23 |
| wxl | it would be because GTK sucks XD | 20:23 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> GTK3 is better | 20:24 |
| lubot | <Simon> Oh. | 20:24 |
| wxl | better | 20:24 |
| wxl | not good | 20:24 |
| lubot | <Simon> Qt is WAY better :P | 20:24 |
| lubot | <Simon> Amirite? | 20:24 |
| wxl | hey @tsimonq2 is it public? | 20:24 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> I confess I never liked Qt | 20:24 |
| lyn||ian | uh probably not all yes | 20:24 |
| lubot | <Simon> @wxl23 hm? | 20:24 |
| wxl | make the telegram group public | 20:24 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> walter, prepare your body for GTK4 ;) | 20:25 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> (fully integrated with Wayland) | 20:25 |
| lubot | <Walter> oh | 20:27 |
| lubot | <Simon> @wxl23 What happens when you make a Telegram group a supergroup? | 20:27 |
| lubot | <Walter> it's a group not a channel | 20:27 |
| lubot | <Walter> boooooo | 20:27 |
| lubot | <Simon> Changing to supergroup here if that's OK with you, @wxl23 | 20:29 |
| wxl | unfortunately i don't think that will do it :( | 20:29 |
| lubot | <RedWolf> what's the difference? | 20:30 |
| wxl | it's ok with me @tsimonq2 if you can get a public short link but i can't freaking figure it out | 20:30 |
| Unit193 | wxl: You guys switching to sddm? | 20:30 |
| wxl | Unit193: presently, no. why? | 20:31 |
| Unit193 | Of course not now, but with LXQt. | 20:31 |
| lyn||ian | Unit193, is upstream default | 20:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Unit193: I think so. | 20:54 |
| tsimonq2 | Unit193: Unless we're told otherwise, yes. | 20:54 |
| tsimonq2 | Unit193: And by "told", I mean an overwhelming response from the community or the TB or something like that. | 20:55 |
| lyn||ian | isn't kubuntu using sddm now | 20:56 |
| tsimonq2 | Yes, they are. | 20:56 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Do you have matterbridge.toml open on your end? | 20:59 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: not anymore | 21:00 |
| wxl | maybe you're using webhooks to get updates??? | 21:01 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Bah just let me do | 21:01 |
| lubot | <Simon> @wxl23 READ https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/blob/master/matterbridge.toml.sample#L615 | 21:05 |
| lubot | <Simon> Use your freaking eyes next time! :P | 21:05 |
| lubot | <Walter> i read that diphead | 21:05 |
| lubot | <Walter> i read that diphead | 21:05 |
| lubot | <Walter> read that! | 21:05 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: HEY | 21:05 |
| lubot | <Simon> HEY | 21:06 |
| lubot | <Simon> Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 21:06 |
| wxl | how did you get the chat id? probably because you have direct access to the bot.. | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Nope. | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: All it needed was the BOT id. The bot has access to the messages, therefore it shows up in the bot's read-only API thing. | 21:06 |
| wxl | except the bot id starts with a 3, not the -1 you are using | 21:07 |
| wxl | the chat id is always a large negative number. | 21:07 |
| wxl | if you use the `getMe` method you can see the bot id, which is part of the token. not the same. | 21:08 |
| tsimonq2 | No. That's not what you need. You need the bot ID, then going to that HTTP page I PMed you, associated with each message is the channel ID the message came from. | 21:08 |
| tsimonq2 | Let me prove it to you. One sec. | 21:08 |
| tsimonq2 | There, I intentionally Ctrl + C'ed out. | 21:09 |
| wxl | yeah i was using curl calls | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Look at that link I PMed you; | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | {"ok":true,"result":[{"update_id":199811973, | 21:09 |
| wxl | oh WEIRD | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | "message":{"message_id":50,"from":{"id":209628372,"first_name":"Simon","last_name":"Quigley","username":"tsimonq2"},"chat":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"},"date":1491426548,"text":"Hai"}}]} | 21:09 |
| wxl | why does it not work when it's connected? | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | The ID is right there. See it? | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Because when it's connected, it removes the messages from there. | 21:09 |
| wxl | well that's freaking annoying. didn't see that documented anywhere | 21:10 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Ok, I'll turn it back on now. Watch that screen. | 21:10 |
| lubot | <Simon> Hai | 21:10 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I know, that took me about an hour of messing around to figure out. ;) | 21:10 |
| wxl | so dumb | 21:10 |
| tsimonq2 | I know. Really dumb. | 21:10 |
| wxl | now let's see if i can leverage the api to get the username | 21:10 |
| tsimonq2 | Please do. | 21:11 |
| tsimonq2 | Then if you recompile it, we can run that then. :) | 21:11 |
| wxl | because then we can use @username for chat_id and even if it changes it's no big deal | 21:11 |
| tsimonq2 | Yep yep. | 21:11 |
| wxl | s/recompile/edit/ | 21:11 |
| tsimonq2 | No, there's a binary. | 21:11 |
| wxl | yeah but we shouldn't need to recompile it | 21:12 |
| wxl | unless it's hardcoded to be a freaking integer | 21:12 |
| tsimonq2 | Ok, you'll see when you try to edit it. :P | 21:12 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: If you wish, I can stop the bot for a minute to get #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic bots as well? | 21:13 |
| wxl | sure | 21:14 |
| wxl | it does not have a username | 21:14 |
| tsimonq2 | Ok, well I'm INTENTIONALLY Ctrl + C'ing this then. One sec. | 21:14 |
| wxl | {"ok":true,"result":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"}} | 21:14 |
| wxl | looking at https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#chat it would have username if it was a thing | 21:15 |
| tsimonq2 | This is also a test. | 21:22 |
| tsimonq2 | Test. | 22:02 |
| lubot | No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id! | 22:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh bah. | 22:02 |
| lubot | No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id! | 22:02 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Now maybe? | 22:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Good. | 22:04 |
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