[00:09] Ok === scott is now known as Guest75173 [17:49] RIP Unity :-) [17:49] O.O [17:49] heh, yep. maybe even RIP Mir! [17:49] Why? [17:50] cuz why would they need it at that point? they can just hop on the Wayland bandwagon. [17:50] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ [17:50] Simon was faster :-) [17:51] quote: mhall on telegram "unless someone takes over Unity 8 and Mir, it essentially means the end for those projects" [17:51] Mostly RIP all desktop specific components [17:51] yes! [17:51] Indicator and all [17:51] soooooo is "Ubuntu GNOME" going to end then? [17:51] I've been talking to Mark himself on Telegram [17:51] OMG [17:51] The Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu main projects are merging [17:51] .@tsimonq2 tell me about wayland!!! [17:52] I just asked him about Mir. No response yet. [17:52] so RIP ubuntu gnome too :-) [17:52] yep that too [17:52] RIP everything! [17:52] Well not RIP, it's just being merged [17:52] i'm gonna rip you, rafael [17:53] That the polical way to say it :-) [17:53] O.O [17:53] That sounds gay! .__. [17:53] ever thing that may have been the intention? :) [17:53] Yer, actually LOL [17:54] Hahahahahaha [17:54] So I, using the Ubuntu gnome desktop now, am the future?! [17:54] ^^ [17:55] No, a traitor [17:55] LOL [17:55] :-P [17:55] Hahahahahaha lol [17:55] hahahah [17:55] what it means is, for once, we'll all be working on the same basic thing [17:55] In my defense, i have Lubuntu VMised [17:56] fail [17:56] Except for Snaps. We'll still be fragmented as all hell in that regard [17:57] We should use one package type [17:57] ONE [17:57] /me joins the .deb camp [17:57] well we might be forced to :O [17:57] It's our main weakness [17:58] I wonder what would happen if we went to Canonical's office with signs and protested XD [17:58] (kidding) [17:59] Why ? In fact, it's kind of good news :-) [17:59] Or we could to to canonical building and eat a pizza. The restaurant at the first floor is amazing .__. [17:59] julien: he means protest snaps [17:59] Wait... YOU'VE BEEN THERE?!? [17:59] Except for my french dev friends which work hours on unity [18:00] What is snap ? I only know .deb ;-) [18:00] it seems that some canonical employees have been reassigned to so-called snap advocacy so they're pushing hard on it [18:00] Emmm yes? It's my birthplace, remember? I go every time i have the chance [18:00] simon, it's only too bad rafael doesn't speak the language anymore XD [18:00] I installed a snap once. It failed 😂 [18:01] I still remember PIZZA 😍 [18:01] Wait, that's Italian... [18:01] i've only used them in core and had no problem [18:01] Bah. Let's go protest! Lol [18:01] I think it's a dead end, the battle is lost, the real standart is android packaging for apps [18:01] Yes. I'm calling for a pepperoni pizza. [18:02] But android itself isn't good at all. [18:02] android packaging? :O [18:02] i assume you mean .apk? [18:03] Yes, well, apps which are distributed for Android [18:03] @julienlavergne Snaps are Canonical's new fancy bloated proprietary-as-in-lack-of-collaboration packaging format. :P [18:03] Wait, so if we use Gnone3, Wayland, and we implement flatpak... Aren't we using Fedora?! [18:03] Remenber, I'm french and on phone, it's difficult :-) [18:04] remember, rafael, a linux distro is entirely defined by its community [18:04] (so, no) [18:04] Let's merge too! [18:05] Orgy! [18:05] that sounds gay [18:05] Again, intention embedded [18:05] .__. [18:05] embedded sounds gay too [18:05] LOL [18:05] Inserted? [18:05] gay [18:06] if you remove the google stuff, it's not so bad (my Fairphone like it :-)) [18:06] Oh, we can protest at LFNW by NOT talking about Snaps to anyone unless they ask. :P [18:06] I don't need a single bit of Google. I don't use it. [18:07] i guess i don't see any significant value to apks except for their widespread usage. i'm not sure we'd have the same flexibility as we do with debs. [18:07] i've been ridding myself of google slowly [18:07] Me too. [18:07] once i discovered using an imap client caused an ip leak, that was enough [18:07] webrtc enabled by default kind of sucks, too [18:07] (which is another form of ip leak) [18:08] That's the point, it's widespread [18:08] i guess i'd need to explore it further [18:09] Even Microsoft have difficulties to make apps for windows phone ... [18:10] But there's Telegram for that now ;} [18:13] Windows Phone project has been closed [19:17] i guess that explains a lot. if microsoft is getting out of the convergence game, there's no reason to bother [19:18] but Samsung presented their S8 with "convergence". it runs On a monitor in desktop mode [19:19] also, there's an Android fork (can't recall its name) that works in multi-window, taskbar, etc. everybody's tempted on it [19:19] well there you go. samsung clearly is providing competition and they OWN the non-iOS market, so again, why bother? [19:19] tizen? [19:19] 😞 [19:20] but Ubuntu Touch is beautiful [19:20] tizen pass, actually, i think [19:21] unfortunatelly, it's also massively insecure https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-with-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/ [19:21] no, not Tizen, a Chrome-thing [19:26] also, there're ChromeOS Images that run in x86 and amd64 machines now (desktop mode too) [19:26] well that's what chromebooks are aren't they? [19:26] yup, normal laptops, more or less [19:28] I really wonder what this means for say ubiquity [19:28] it's sad. my friend warned me there was little hope of surviving in the mobile market [19:28] should say nothing, really [19:29] did you make the telegram public, simon? [19:30] you can use t.me urls [19:30] that's what i intend [19:31] hey @tsimonq2 make the telegram public [19:31] also make us all admins @tsimonq2 [19:31] @tsimonq2 do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! [19:31] omg, I just realised you can expand names, @wxl23 [19:32] ...using TAB key [19:32] unfortunately @vikingredwolf on this end you can't see the actual telegram username. it's.. dumb. [19:32] i need to file a bug [19:32] yup, the bridge isn't "fully" working [19:33] cuz you mean it doesn't show images? [19:33] no [19:33] what do you mean then? [19:33] can you see diz? [19:33] yep [19:33] all that gay talk from before was registered on our public channel XD [19:34] O.O [19:34] /me changes Lubuntu official wallpaper into pink [19:35] yay [19:35] /me adds Britney as startup sound [19:35] ewwww [19:35] "oops I did it again" mainly [19:35] * lyn||ian ends up thinking about #ubuntu-release oh wait you meant britney spears eww [19:36] yer XD [19:39] yeah that's just offensive [19:39] .__. [19:41] you know i have no idea why it shows you as here. based on others, it should show [19:41] no, there's no such Rafael in my Telegram account [19:41] oh ok that explains it [19:42] mus tbe an address book thing over here [19:43] how does it show? [19:43] [19:44] good :) [20:22] OMG! I just realised that Canonical will drop all the QML technology [20:22] oh yeah [20:22] they'll be kind of getting rid of Qt [20:23] yes! back to pure GTK [20:23] this means that a Lubuntu going to Qt/QML just for Unity compatibility shouldn't be a goal at all [20:23] yeah no not at all [20:23] it would be because GTK sucks XD [20:24] GTK3 is better [20:24] Oh. [20:24] better [20:24] not good [20:24] Qt is WAY better :P [20:24] Amirite? [20:24] hey @tsimonq2 is it public? [20:24] I confess I never liked Qt [20:24] uh probably not all yes [20:24] @wxl23 hm? [20:24] make the telegram group public [20:25] walter, prepare your body for GTK4 ;) [20:25] (fully integrated with Wayland) [20:27] oh [20:27] @wxl23 What happens when you make a Telegram group a supergroup? [20:27] it's a group not a channel [20:27] boooooo [20:29] Changing to supergroup here if that's OK with you, @wxl23 [20:29] unfortunately i don't think that will do it :( [20:30] what's the difference? [20:30] it's ok with me @tsimonq2 if you can get a public short link but i can't freaking figure it out [20:30] wxl: You guys switching to sddm? [20:31] Unit193: presently, no. why? [20:31] Of course not now, but with LXQt. [20:31] Unit193, is upstream default [20:54] Unit193: I think so. [20:54] Unit193: Unless we're told otherwise, yes. [20:55] Unit193: And by "told", I mean an overwhelming response from the community or the TB or something like that. [20:56] isn't kubuntu using sddm now [20:56] Yes, they are. [20:59] wxl: Do you have matterbridge.toml open on your end? [21:00] tsimonq2: not anymore [21:01] maybe you're using webhooks to get updates??? [21:01] wxl: Bah just let me do [21:05] @wxl23 READ https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/blob/master/matterbridge.toml.sample#L615 [21:05] Use your freaking eyes next time! :P [21:05] i read that diphead [21:05] i read that diphead [21:05] read that! [21:05] wxl: HEY [21:06] HEY [21:06] Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [21:06] how did you get the chat id? probably because you have direct access to the bot.. [21:06] Nope. [21:06] wxl: All it needed was the BOT id. The bot has access to the messages, therefore it shows up in the bot's read-only API thing. [21:07] except the bot id starts with a 3, not the -1 you are using [21:07] the chat id is always a large negative number. [21:08] if you use the `getMe` method you can see the bot id, which is part of the token. not the same. [21:08] No. That's not what you need. You need the bot ID, then going to that HTTP page I PMed you, associated with each message is the channel ID the message came from. [21:08] Let me prove it to you. One sec. [21:09] There, I intentionally Ctrl + C'ed out. [21:09] yeah i was using curl calls [21:09] wxl: Look at that link I PMed you; [21:09] {"ok":true,"result":[{"update_id":199811973, [21:09] oh WEIRD [21:09] "message":{"message_id":50,"from":{"id":209628372,"first_name":"Simon","last_name":"Quigley","username":"tsimonq2"},"chat":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"},"date":1491426548,"text":"Hai"}}]} [21:09] why does it not work when it's connected? [21:09] The ID is right there. See it? [21:09] wxl: Because when it's connected, it removes the messages from there. [21:10] well that's freaking annoying. didn't see that documented anywhere [21:10] wxl: Ok, I'll turn it back on now. Watch that screen. [21:10] Hai [21:10] wxl: I know, that took me about an hour of messing around to figure out. ;) [21:10] so dumb [21:10] I know. Really dumb. [21:10] now let's see if i can leverage the api to get the username [21:11] Please do. [21:11] Then if you recompile it, we can run that then. :) [21:11] because then we can use @username for chat_id and even if it changes it's no big deal [21:11] Yep yep. [21:11] s/recompile/edit/ [21:11] No, there's a binary. [21:12] yeah but we shouldn't need to recompile it [21:12] unless it's hardcoded to be a freaking integer [21:12] Ok, you'll see when you try to edit it. :P [21:13] wxl: If you wish, I can stop the bot for a minute to get #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic bots as well? [21:14] sure [21:14] it does not have a username [21:14] Ok, well I'm INTENTIONALLY Ctrl + C'ing this then. One sec. [21:14] {"ok":true,"result":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"}} [21:15] looking at https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#chat it would have username if it was a thing [21:22] This is also a test. [22:02] Test. [22:02] No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id! [22:02] Oh bah. [22:02] No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id! [22:03] Now maybe? [22:04] Good.