 Ok
 RIP Unity :-)
 O.O
[17:49] <wxl> heh, yep. maybe even RIP Mir!
 Why?
[17:50] <wxl> cuz why would they need it at that point? they can just hop on the Wayland bandwagon.
 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
 Simon was faster :-)
[17:51] <acheronuk> quote: mhall on telegram "unless someone takes over Unity 8 and Mir, it essentially means the end for those projects"
 Mostly RIP all desktop specific components
[17:51] <wxl> yes!
 Indicator and all
[17:51] <wxl> soooooo is "Ubuntu GNOME" going to end then?
 I've been talking to Mark himself on Telegram
 OMG
 The Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu main projects are merging
[17:51] <wxl> .@tsimonq2 tell me about wayland!!!
 I just asked him about Mir. No response yet.
 so RIP ubuntu gnome too :-)
[17:52] <wxl> yep that too
 RIP everything!
 Well not RIP, it's just being merged
[17:52] <wxl> i'm gonna rip you, rafael
 That the polical way to say it :-)
 O.O
 That sounds gay! .__.
[17:53] <wxl> ever thing that may have been the intention? :)
 Yer, actually LOL
 Hahahahahaha
 So I, using the Ubuntu gnome desktop now, am the future?!
 ^^
 No, a traitor
 LOL
 :-P
 Hahahahahaha lol
[17:55] <wxl> hahahah
[17:55] <wxl> what it means is, for once, we'll all be working on the same basic thing
 In my defense, i have Lubuntu VMised
[17:56] <wxl> fail
 Except for Snaps. We'll still be fragmented as all hell in that regard
 We should use one package type
 ONE
 /me joins the .deb camp
[17:57] <wxl> well we might be forced to :O
 It's our main weakness
 I wonder what would happen if we went to Canonical's office with signs and protested XD
 (kidding)
 Why ? In fact, it's kind of good news :-)
 Or we could to to canonical building and eat a pizza. The restaurant at the first floor is amazing .__.
[17:59] <wxl> julien: he means protest snaps
 Wait... YOU'VE BEEN THERE?!?
 Except for my french dev friends which work hours on unity
 What is snap ? I only know .deb ;-)
[18:00] <wxl> it seems that some canonical employees have been reassigned to so-called snap advocacy so they're pushing hard on it
 Emmm yes? It's my birthplace, remember? I go every time i have the chance
[18:00] <wxl> simon, it's only too bad rafael doesn't speak the language anymore XD
 I installed a snap once. It failed 😂
 I still remember PIZZA 😍
 Wait, that's Italian...
[18:01] <wxl> i've only used them in core and had no problem
 Bah. Let's go protest! Lol
 I think it's a dead end, the battle is lost, the real standart is android packaging for apps
 Yes. I'm calling for a pepperoni pizza.
 But android itself isn't good at all.
[18:02] <wxl> android packaging? :O
[18:02] <wxl> i assume you mean .apk?
 Yes, well, apps which are distributed for Android
 @julienlavergne Snaps are Canonical's new fancy bloated proprietary-as-in-lack-of-collaboration packaging format. :P
 Wait, so if we use Gnone3, Wayland, and we implement flatpak... Aren't we using Fedora?!
 Remenber, I'm french and on phone, it's difficult :-)
[18:04] <wxl> remember, rafael, a linux distro is entirely defined by its community
[18:04] <wxl> (so, no)
 Let's merge too!
 Orgy!
[18:05] <wxl> that sounds gay
 Again, intention embedded
 .__.
[18:05] <wxl> embedded sounds gay too
 LOL
 Inserted?
[18:05] <wxl> gay
 if you remove the google stuff, it's not so bad (my Fairphone like it :-))
 Oh, we can protest at LFNW by NOT talking about Snaps to anyone unless they ask. :P
 I don't need a single bit of Google. I don't use it.
[18:07] <wxl> i guess i don't see any significant value to apks except for their widespread usage. i'm not sure we'd have the same flexibility as we do with debs.
[18:07] <wxl> i've been ridding myself of google slowly
 Me too.
[18:07] <wxl> once i discovered using an imap client caused an ip leak, that was enough
[18:07] <wxl> webrtc enabled by default kind of sucks, too
[18:07] <wxl> (which is another form of ip leak)
 That's the point, it's widespread
[18:08] <wxl> i guess i'd need to explore it further
 Even Microsoft have difficulties to make apps for windows phone ...
 But there's Telegram for that now ;}
 Windows Phone project has been closed
[19:17] <wxl> i guess that explains a lot. if microsoft is getting out of the convergence game, there's no reason to bother
 but Samsung presented their S8 with "convergence". it runs On a monitor in desktop mode
 also, there's an Android fork (can't recall its name) that works in multi-window, taskbar, etc. everybody's tempted on it
[19:19] <wxl> well there you go. samsung clearly is providing competition and they OWN the non-iOS market, so again, why bother?
[19:19] <wxl> tizen?
 😞
 but Ubuntu Touch is beautiful
[19:20] <wxl> tizen pass, actually, i think
[19:21] <wxl> unfortunatelly, it's also massively insecure https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-with-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/
 no, not Tizen, a Chrome-thing
 also, there're ChromeOS Images that run in x86 and amd64 machines now (desktop mode too)
[19:26] <wxl> well that's what chromebooks are aren't they?
 yup, normal laptops, more or less
[19:28] <lyn||ian> I really wonder what this means for say ubiquity
[19:28] <wxl> it's sad. my friend warned me there was little hope of surviving in the mobile market
[19:28] <wxl> should say nothing, really
[19:29] <wxl> did you make the telegram public, simon?
 you can use t.me urls
[19:30] <wxl> that's what i intend
[19:31] <wxl> hey @tsimonq2 make the telegram public
[19:31] <wxl> also make us all admins @tsimonq2
 @tsimonq2 do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it! do it!
 omg, I just realised you can expand names,  @wxl23
 ...using TAB key
[19:32] <wxl> unfortunately @vikingredwolf on this end you can't see the actual telegram username. it's.. dumb.
[19:32] <wxl> i need to file a bug
 yup, the bridge isn't "fully" working
[19:33] <wxl> cuz you mean it doesn't show images?
 no
[19:33] <wxl> what do you mean then?
 can you see diz?
[19:33] <wxl> yep
[19:33] <wxl> all that gay talk from before was registered on our public channel XD
 O.O
 /me changes Lubuntu official wallpaper into pink
[19:35] <lyn||ian> yay
 /me adds Britney as startup sound
[19:35] <wxl> ewwww
 "oops I did it again" mainly
[19:35]  * lyn||ian ends up thinking about #ubuntu-release oh wait you meant britney spears eww
 yer XD
[19:39] <wxl> yeah that's just offensive
 .__.
[19:41] <wxl> you know i have no idea why it shows you as <RedWolf> here. based on others, it should show <Rafael>
 no, there's no such Rafael in my Telegram account
[19:41] <wxl> oh ok that explains it
[19:42] <wxl> mus tbe an address book thing over here
 how does it show?

 good :)
 OMG! I just realised that Canonical will drop all the QML technology
[20:22] <wxl> oh yeah
[20:22] <wxl> they'll be kind of getting rid of Qt
 yes! back to pure GTK
 this means that a Lubuntu going to Qt/QML just for Unity compatibility shouldn't be a goal at all
[20:23] <wxl> yeah no not at all
[20:23] <wxl> it would be because GTK sucks XD
 GTK3 is better
 Oh.
[20:24] <wxl> better
[20:24] <wxl> not good
 Qt is WAY better :P
 Amirite?
[20:24] <wxl> hey @tsimonq2 is it public?
 I confess I never liked Qt
[20:24] <lyn||ian> uh probably not all yes
 @wxl23 hm?
[20:24] <wxl> make the telegram group public
 walter, prepare your body for GTK4 ;)
 (fully integrated with Wayland)
 oh
 @wxl23 What happens when you make a Telegram group a supergroup?
 it's a group not a channel
 boooooo
 Changing to supergroup here if that's OK with you, @wxl23
[20:29] <wxl> unfortunately i don't think that will do it :(
 what's the difference?
[20:30] <wxl> it's ok with me @tsimonq2 if you can get a public short link but i can't freaking figure it out
[20:30] <Unit193> wxl: You guys switching to sddm?
[20:31] <wxl> Unit193: presently, no. why?
[20:31] <Unit193> Of course not now, but with LXQt.
[20:31] <lyn||ian> Unit193, is upstream default
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I think so.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Unless we're told otherwise, yes.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Unit193: And by "told", I mean an overwhelming response from the community or the TB or something like that.
[20:56] <lyn||ian> isn't kubuntu using sddm now
[20:56] <tsimonq2> Yes, they are.
[20:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do you have matterbridge.toml open on your end?
[21:00] <wxl> tsimonq2: not anymore
[21:01] <wxl> maybe you're using webhooks to get updates???
[21:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Bah just let me do
 @wxl23 READ https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/blob/master/matterbridge.toml.sample#L615
 Use your freaking eyes next time! :P
 i read that diphead
 i read that diphead
 read that!
[21:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: HEY
 HEY
 Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[21:06] <wxl> how did you get the chat id? probably because you have direct access to the bot..
[21:06] <tsimonq2> Nope.
[21:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: All it needed was the BOT id. The bot has access to the messages, therefore it shows up in the bot's read-only API thing.
[21:07] <wxl> except the bot id starts with a 3, not the -1 you are using
[21:07] <wxl> the chat id is always a large negative number.
[21:08] <wxl> if you use the `getMe` method you can see the bot id, which is part of the token. not the same.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> No. That's not what you need. You need the bot ID, then going to that HTTP page I PMed you, associated with each message is the channel ID the message came from.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> Let me prove it to you. One sec.
[21:09] <tsimonq2> There, I intentionally Ctrl + C'ed out.
[21:09] <wxl> yeah i was using curl calls
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Look at that link I PMed you;
[21:09] <tsimonq2> {"ok":true,"result":[{"update_id":199811973,
[21:09] <wxl> oh WEIRD
[21:09] <tsimonq2> "message":{"message_id":50,"from":{"id":209628372,"first_name":"Simon","last_name":"Quigley","username":"tsimonq2"},"chat":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"},"date":1491426548,"text":"Hai"}}]}
[21:09] <wxl> why does it not work when it's connected?
[21:09] <tsimonq2> The ID is right there. See it?
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Because when it's connected, it removes the messages from there.
[21:10] <wxl> well that's freaking annoying. didn't see that documented anywhere
[21:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ok, I'll turn it back on now. Watch that screen.
 Hai
[21:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: I know, that took me about an hour of messing around to figure out. ;)
[21:10] <wxl> so dumb
[21:10] <tsimonq2> I know. Really dumb.
[21:10] <wxl> now let's see if i can leverage the api to get the username
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Please do.
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Then if you recompile it, we can run that then. :)
[21:11] <wxl> because then we can use @username for chat_id and even if it changes it's no big deal
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Yep yep.
[21:11] <wxl> s/recompile/edit/
[21:11] <tsimonq2> No, there's a binary.
[21:12] <wxl> yeah but we shouldn't need to recompile it
[21:12] <wxl> unless it's hardcoded to be a freaking integer
[21:12] <tsimonq2> Ok, you'll see when you try to edit it. :P
[21:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: If you wish, I can stop the bot for a minute to get #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic bots as well?
[21:14] <wxl> sure
[21:14] <wxl> it does not have a username
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Ok, well I'm INTENTIONALLY Ctrl + C'ing this then. One sec.
[21:14] <wxl> {"ok":true,"result":{"id":-1001092992674,"title":"Lubuntu Devel","type":"supergroup"}}
[21:15] <wxl> looking at https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#chat it would have username if it was a thing
[21:22] <tsimonq2> This is also a test.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Test.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Oh bah.
 Now maybe?
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Good.