| qengho | clvx_: hi! | 00:54 |
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| hikiko | hi | 04:57 |
| Trevinho | Laney: hey... Is it just me or logging-out/shutting down in zeisty doesn't work? | 07:16 |
| Trevinho | hikiko: hey, can you please merge your unity branch with trunk? it seems it has some conflicts... | 07:17 |
| Laney | morning | 08:02 |
| Laney | Trevinho: don't know how my computer turned off last night then :-) | 08:02 |
| Laney | (or every night) | 08:02 |
| Laney | in other words it works for me, sorry | 08:02 |
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, in my VM it happens like it shows the dialog and then it goes back to lighdm... | 08:03 |
| Trevinho | it's weird | 08:03 |
| Trevinho | like some wrong dbus call... | 08:03 |
| Trevinho | I need to debug that | 08:03 |
| Laney | good idea | 08:04 |
| Trevinho | yeah, it was already something I started, but noticed nothing weird from checking just dbus | 08:04 |
| Trevinho | mmgmg, it looks is something in my branch :| | 08:05 |
| Laney | :D | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho Laney, how are you? | 08:06 |
| Trevinho | hey seb128 good! | 08:06 |
| Laney | hey seb128! | 08:06 |
| Laney | EXCELLENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT | 08:06 |
| Trevinho | today is the Balinese new year... | 08:06 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:06 |
| Laney | what about you | 08:06 |
| Trevinho | So happy new year to me :-D | 08:06 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, so you are having a day off? ;-) | 08:06 |
| Trevinho | Nooo... Working, you don't believe me! :-) | 08:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm great! it's sunny outside and gf made us some crepes this morning | 08:07 |
| seb128 | good start of day :-) | 08:07 |
| Laney | nice | 08:07 |
| Trevinho | seb128: so, it's actually just doing some preying in the morning... | 08:07 |
| Trevinho | and... I'm also trying to work with a standing desk | 08:07 |
| seb128 | yeah, it's difficult to sit in the pool | 08:08 |
| seb128 | :p | 08:08 |
| seb128 | you mean you put your laptop on the side so you can look at IRC while you drink you cocktail between swmins? ;-) | 08:08 |
| Trevinho | seb128: check telegram... :-D | 08:12 |
| Trevinho | seb128: there's a mozilian that can testify | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 09:10 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg, how are you? | 09:10 |
| flexiondotorg | OK thanks. Early meeting on Wednesdays. Have had tea yet. | 09:11 |
| * flexiondotorg goes to put the kettle on | 09:11 | |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 How are you? | 09:11 |
| seb128 | I'm very good thanks! | 09:11 |
| flexiondotorg | Excellent? | 09:11 |
| flexiondotorg | Win at tennis? :-) | 09:11 |
| seb128 | lol, not even but weather is great and my gf made crepes this morning, so good start of day | 09:12 |
| seb128 | and I might go to tennis tonight ;-) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | we have a team competition on sunday and need to practice a bit doubles before that | 09:12 |
| flexiondotorg | Nice. | 09:13 |
| flexiondotorg | I used to play. | 09:13 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 Do you know why Unity 7 has changed what it reports via XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | to be a list you mean? | 09:16 |
| seb128 | I think the main motivation was that some services should be use in unity 7&8 | 09:17 |
| seb128 | used | 09:17 |
| seb128 | and some are specific to one of those desktops only | 09:17 |
| flexiondotorg | Yeah. | 09:17 |
| seb128 | so unity7 claims being unity & unity7 | 09:17 |
| Laney | Unity 7 and Unity 8 both had "Unity" there, which meant it was impossible to use XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP to differentiate. | 09:17 |
| seb128 | so you can pick which one | 09:17 |
| flexiondotorg | Right, I've seen lots of fallout. | 09:18 |
| Laney | Fix it. | 09:18 |
| flexiondotorg | For example, all Electron applicattions now have broken Indicators. | 09:18 |
| flexiondotorg | I've fixed what is in my immediate realm of control. | 09:18 |
| Laney | Someone can control it | 09:19 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm going to submit patches to Electron, but it will take time to trickle down. | 09:19 |
| flexiondotorg | First to Electron itself and then only when applications get rebuilt against the new version. | 09:20 |
| Laney | If there's some common launcher or something then you can put a hack in there, otherwise fixing the applications is what needs to happen | 09:21 |
| seb128 | it's a bit late to rollback in any case | 09:21 |
| flexiondotorg | Just sharing what I've found. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | yeah, thanks | 09:22 |
| flexiondotorg | Dropbox was also broken, now fixed in Zesty. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | well it's good to give some time for apps to adapt their code/be fixed before enforcing the change that impact them | 09:22 |
| flexiondotorg | I wonder what else might surface. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | but I think we had that | 09:22 |
| seb128 | we probably didn't do the best possible job at reaching out to upstreams in advance | 09:23 |
| seb128 | or even to find out what code is impacted | 09:23 |
| seb128 | but limited ressources, etc | 09:23 |
| Laney | yeah fair enough, I could have emailed | 09:24 |
| seb128 | Laney, I was not blaming you/anyone | 09:24 |
| seb128 | it's always tricky with those sort of changes | 09:25 |
| seb128 | if you don't put them in place you don't find out what is having issues and upstream don't get the motivation to fix their code | 09:25 |
| seb128 | but when you do there are always bits not ready and you bite users on the way | 09:25 |
| seb128 | well at least we bite them in a non LTS cycle and hopefully by the LTS we are sorted out | 09:25 |
| Laney | This was the second round of enabling it too | 09:26 |
| Laney | we shook out many bugs last cycle, then reverted it and tried again in zesty | 09:26 |
| muktupavels | Any reason why it is Unity:Unity7 and not Unity7:Unity? | 09:27 |
| seb128 | does it make a difference? | 09:28 |
| seb128 | do we have code around that can deal with a list but behave differently according to the order? | 09:29 |
| muktupavels | It could if bug will ever get accepted - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746592 | 09:29 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 746592 in gsettings "Support for per-session overrides" [Normal,Reopened] | 09:29 |
| muktupavels | and to be consistent? GNOME-Classic:GNOME, GNOME-Flashback:GNOME... | 09:30 |
| Laney | I guess some things might search the list in order | 09:30 |
| Laney | but I don't know of a case where it would have mattered yet | 09:30 |
| Laney | usually it's g_strv_contains-style searched | 09:30 |
| seb128 | it might be worth filing a bug on launchpad if you feel like the order should be changed | 09:39 |
| muktupavels | well I think that "base desktop" should be at end. It might not matter today, but could in future. For what product should I open bug? | 09:43 |
| Laney | gnome-session | 09:44 |
| Laney | you can find the code in the package, should be trivial to submit a patch | 09:44 |
| muktupavels | Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1680008 | 10:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1680008 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Desktop name order in XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP for Unity" [Undecided,New] | 10:00 |
| muktupavels | Laney: submit patch where? | 10:01 |
| Laney | to the sponsorship queue | 10:01 |
| Laney | I think there's a VCS for gnome-session, you could use that or just attach a debdiff | 10:02 |
| muktupavels | update 50_ubuntu_sessions.patch and attach it to bug? | 10:03 |
| Laney | if that's the one that has DesktopNames=... then sure | 10:03 |
| Laney | thanks! | 10:04 |
| muktupavels | why *.desktop have `:` and not `;` ? | 10:06 |
| muktupavels | Laney: i think it should be DesktopNames=Unity7;Unity; | 10:07 |
| Laney | does that get transformed to : by the session manager? | 10:08 |
| Laney | if so, then that's fine too | 10:08 |
| muktupavels | yes | 10:08 |
| Laney | cheers | 10:09 |
| muktupavels | only I dont know about *.session file | 10:09 |
| muktupavels | for that I will just change order | 10:09 |
| muktupavels | Laney: why not for zesty? why put that order in public release? | 10:12 |
| muktupavels | that will just allow apps to start depend on that order that could cause problems later, no? | 10:12 |
| muktupavels | Laney: patch attached, only changed desktop name lines... | 10:13 |
| Laney | thx | 10:13 |
| Laney | I don't feel super duper strongly about not changing it now, but I prefer not to make unnecessary changes when it gets close to a release | 10:13 |
| Laney | in the absence of any known problems ... | 10:13 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: wrt to your patch at https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=9e0a42d3988954042ba3baeb0fb8c4d82540f45d you said: | 11:30 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz -> Sweetshark, really?, it is a mismerge and the corresponding Suggests points to libreoffice-help (= 5.3) | 11:30 |
| Sweetshark | 1/ yet looking at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/tree/control.help.in shows Debian master to have exactly the same content (and had ever since Oct 2010), so how is this a mismerge? | 11:30 |
| Sweetshark | 2/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1662227/comments/27 suggests you consider this to fix bug 1662227. I see nobody having issues with this on zesty. Are you aware of anyone actually having issues _on zesty_ needing this change? | 11:30 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1662227 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Error with command "apt-get update" when using versioned "Provides:" (apt is too old to support that case)" [Undecided,Triaged] | 11:30 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: Asking because we are late in the cycle and shouldnt do any changes (let alone FFes) if they are not absolutely needed ... | 11:30 |
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| ricotz | Sweetshark, to be clear, you merged these versioned Provides *this* cycle and missed to make this change, of course this is around for a longer time in debian, but this is simply because you haven't merged it | 11:35 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, and look at the correct file ;-) https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/tree/control.help.in?h=debian-experimental-5.3 | 11:36 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, another pointer to the corresponding Suggests https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/tree/control.in?h=ubuntu-zesty-5.3#n71 | 11:39 |
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| ricotz | this issue on *trusty* does not concern xenial and later | 11:43 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: right. so its no issue on zesty and we shouldnt FFe for it. Or even have changes on the zesty branch as that will be the base for SRUs/security updates on zesty and after FF should really only ever have changes that solve endusers problems. Right? | 11:47 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, the bug you mentioned has nothing to do with the change I pushed | 11:48 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, are you understanding the change and my reasoning? | 11:49 |
| ricotz | this is actually *fixing* and internal dependency between libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n | 11:49 |
| ricotz | s/and/an | 11:49 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, I have no idea how to explain this more, I already pasted the lines in question here | 11:52 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: whops. Yeah, right branch helps. Explaining the patch is not needed (and not what I asked ;) ), really. All I care about is if this is known to impact endusers on zesty (and how and how bad). "I dont know" or "I dont have any reports" is a perfectly valid answer to that ... | 12:07 |
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| ricotz | Sweetshark, to my understanding this was a no-brainer without the need for more justification, so finally all good now? | 12:12 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Why -- it literally says: "It's just a one-line change!" ;) | 12:16 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, I didn't defend the change to the SRU team, but to you who is deeply familiar with lo packaging | 12:20 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: the question is not if the change is good (it is), the question is if this should/needs to land in zesty and if so when and how. If this would be for zesty+1, all these details would be irrelevant indeed. ;) | 12:26 |
| Beret | does anyone know what package or settings determine the styling of notifications? | 12:29 |
| Beret | I tried out i3 the other day and now in unity 7 my notifications are still styled in the i3 way (read, not pretty) | 12:30 |
| Beret | even though I've uninstalled i3 | 12:30 |
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| Sweetshark | ricotz: FWIW, installing/deinstalling various combos of l10ns and the libreoffice metapackage, I couldnt get apt to complain in any way. Thus given that Final Freeze is tomorrow, I dont see this going into zesty as either prerelease or an 0-day SRU. It _might_ go in a SRU along with upstream 5.3.2, but as of now this is a purely cosmetic change fixing no enduser problem. However if there is even a | 13:14 |
| Sweetshark | hint of this delaying 5.3.2 into zesty, unless any real world impact shows up in the meantime, I will revert it. | 13:14 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: Note that the ubuntu-zesty-5.3 branch should reflect the state of packages in zesty/main and SRU/security-updates that end up in the distro and nothing beyond that. | 13:16 |
| jbicha | Laney: gnome-terminal doesn't work in Unity8 so it's ok if I set its OnlyShowIn to Unity7, right? | 13:19 |
| Laney | jbicha: That sounds like NotShowIn to me. | 13:42 |
| jbicha | Laney: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/01_onlyshowin.patch | 14:00 |
| jbicha | I'm proposing to just change Unity to Unity7 there | 14:01 |
| Laney | Ok, if it already has it then that's not so bad | 14:04 |
| Laney | Is it known that it doesn't work? | 14:07 |
| Laney | That might want filing | 14:08 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: hey! | 14:43 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/1680104 <- I filled in this and proposed an MP for one part of the problem | 14:43 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1680104 in bamf (Ubuntu) "Package FTBFS" [High,In progress] | 14:43 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: the other seems to be some deprecation warnings turned into errors - as I don't know these parts I don't feel strong enough to try and migrate from those functions to the new ones | 14:44 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: if you're too busy the only thing I could do to fix this is disable -Werror=deprecated-declarations to make it building again, but I guess you'd prefer to not use deprecated functions | 14:45 |
| jbicha | do we have a usertag for apps that won't run in unity8 yet? | 14:46 |
| jbicha | an LP tag, I mean | 14:46 |
| Laney | attente might know | 14:47 |
| Laney | that gnome-terminal change should go to Debian too please | 14:49 |
| attente | i don't know | 14:49 |
| Trevinho | sil2100: please ping me again tomorrow, and I'll check that.. | 14:54 |
| * Trevinho is in different TZ | 14:54 | |
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| sil2100 | Ah, ok, will do that ;) | 15:00 |
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| jbicha | attente: does unity8 still require upstart? | 16:29 |
| attente | jbicha: sorry, i don't know | 16:30 |
| bregma_ | jbicha, yes, but there's a branch to replace it | 16:35 |
| bregma_ | I doubt the branch will land in Zesty | 16:35 |
| jbicha | bregma_: yeah, it sounds too late for zesty, thanks | 16:37 |
| attente | jbicha: for the aisleriot bug, how are you launching it? | 16:54 |
| jbicha | attente: oh, it doesn't work if you run sol from ubuntu-terminal-app but maybe that's expected | 17:06 |
| jbicha | it works fine when I launch it from the Dash thing so never mind | 17:06 |
| attente | jbicha: i've run it from the terminal using "ubuntu-app-launch sol" and "/usr/games/sol -- --desktop_file_hint=sol.desktop" | 17:06 |
| attente | jbicha: actually launching it from the app drawer doesn't work for me, but that's because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1675448 | 17:07 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1675448 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "Unity 8 doesn't allow multiple Mir connections from an application instance" [Critical,In progress] | 17:07 |
| jcastro | jbicha: this should make you happy: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ | 17:09 |
| jbicha | ok, both those ways work (I had to install ubuntu-app-launch-tools) | 17:12 |
| jbicha | jcastro: that's astonishing | 17:14 |
| a1fa | bad news today | 17:51 |
| a1fa | abandon unity8 in favor of gnome? | 17:51 |
| a1fa | andyrock: is this a late april fools joke? | 17:52 |
| clvx | I just read about.. =/ | 17:54 |
| a1fa | a little dissapointed in the news, considering unity was the most stable and sane DE for linux | 17:55 |
| a1fa | but its just another opportunity for ubuntu-unity distro flavor to fork forward | 17:55 |
| a1fa | the next thing on the chopping block is Mir | 17:59 |
| a1fa | internet is going wild over this | 18:08 |
| xclaesse | wait wait wait, Canonical is droping Unity in favor of GNOME, really? | 18:08 |
| a1fa | thats what Mark S. annonounced 30 min ago | 18:08 |
| sarnold | xclaesse: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ | 18:09 |
| xclaesse | sarnold, that's what I was reading, yes | 18:09 |
| xclaesse | I hoped that was posted April 1st, but no :( | 18:09 |
| Blu2 | The focus will be on IOT now and not convergence anymore | 18:11 |
| a1fa | its ok, i think unity7 will continued to be maintained and developed, and if not by andyrock and the team, then by others | 18:24 |
| a1fa | best DE hands down | 18:25 |
| a1fa | switch to systemd didnt cause this mutch uproar | 18:25 |
| * ricotz is utterly baffled | 18:58 | |
| dobey | so, anyone know how to make gnome-shell use the ubuntu wm/gtk+ themes? | 19:11 |
| jbicha | dobey: GNOME Tweak Tool, set your theme to Ambiance and your icon theme to ubuntu-mono-dark if you want the Ubuntu default | 19:15 |
| dobey | hmm, shell doesn't seem to play nice when lightdm is used | 19:28 |
| jbicha | could you be more specific? | 19:29 |
| dobey | no lock screen option, and my main mouse pointer was insanely huge | 19:29 |
| dobey | switched to gdm3 and all good though | 19:29 |
| jbicha | ooh, could you file a bug about the lock button? | 19:31 |
| xclaesse | Wondering of the drop of unity also means droping lighdm | 19:31 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu's gnome-shell is supposed to work as well as possible with lightdm but gnome-shell developers weren't interested in lightdm patches before | 19:32 |
| dobey | Ambiance them ends up with tiny little corner artifacts at the top edges of windows too | 19:32 |
| dobey | jbicha: this is on 16.04 btw, not sure if these issues still exist in 17.04 | 19:33 |
| jbicha | theming was overhauled in gtk 3.20 (Ubuntu 16.10), but yes, Ambiance/Radiance are not as well-integrated as Adwaita with gnome-shell | 19:35 |
| ochosi | seriously, no more unity? | 19:46 |
| * ochosi can't really believe this yet | 19:46 | |
| TheMuso | Holy crap, read ars before logging on. Like What the hell? | 20:40 |
| Laney | what a world we live in! | 20:40 |
| TheMuso | Yep indeed. I am happy we will be able to have a good accessibility story then. :) | 20:41 |
| a1fa | do-release-upgrade -d before the cool kids do it | 23:55 |
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