[00:32] Hi, could someone help me here I am having some issues trying to install anything essentially I tried to installed Kali linux tools to my ubuntu-mate using Katoolin and after that everything went bad... also before this I had kali install which changed the bootloader now when i am trying to install ubuntu via USB nothing happens [00:32] im new to linux and all would really appreciate any help that I can get I searched around google already cant seem to find any fix [01:06] hi anamik [01:07] anamik, couple of things: the software boutique has a "fixes" section (last icon on the right) : run them. [01:09] anamik, then, I recommend you try another USB port if you have one for your USB boot key, alternatively re-do the key, I've seen strange blacklisting behavior on machines where a stick is recognized one first time, and stops working after that === Schnabeltierche- is now known as Schnabeltierchen [01:40] hi' [01:40] hello [04:24] hey [06:40] morning [06:41] Good morning [07:43] Hi [07:43] Hi [07:45] alkisg, are u dev [07:45] Yes but not of ubuntu-mate :) [07:45] hi ubuntu-mate [07:46] hi there ouroumov [07:46] im testing ubuntu mate on live right now.. first time using linux [07:46] Cool, what version are you using? 16.04? [07:46] yeah [07:47] I just completed a bare-metal install of 17.04 on my laptop. [07:47] I'm gonna use it as a daily driver I think. [07:47] nice.. [07:48] linux seems nice just wish the software i use on windows could work over here [07:48] You can have some of it working through Wine. [07:48] What specific software are you using? [07:49] metatrader 4 [07:49] if i could get this working in ubuntu, i might switch [07:51] What kind of hardware are you using? [07:51] Specifically, how much storage space do you have? [07:52] its hp19.. got intel celeron 4gb ram [07:52] not my main rig tho [07:53] ubuntu-mate, I mean your hard disk [07:54] 500gb [07:54] ubuntu-mate, then you can maybe try for a dual-boot setup [07:55] yeah that was my last option if i cant seem to get that program working [07:55] im complete noob in linux but is it true that u can req devs for a specific software to be added in software rep [07:56] ubuntu-mate, more or less [07:56] what distro are you using ouroumov? [07:56] Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS and 17.04 Beta 2 [07:57] cool.. you dual boot windows or do you only use linux [07:59] Only Linux now, but I started by dual booting 10.04 & Windows 7 a few years ago. [07:59] btw, what do you think of solus budgie in comparison to ubuntu mate [08:00] I haven't tried Solus, so I can't really say. However one of the Solus devs, ikey is contributing code to Upstream MATE & working on projects that benefit Ubuntu MATE too. [08:01] yeah i heard about some collab between two [08:01] metatrader4 seems to be cross platform [08:02] sixwheel.. do i need wine to use that program or can i install it directly to linux [08:03] ah reading a bit more they say cross platform but actually they recommend wine [08:03] looking at it though wine will be fine [08:04] Yeah. You can install wine from the software boutique btw [08:04] yeah ill try through wine and see if it works smoothly otherwise back to shitty win 10 [08:04] also i would consider a windows vm over a dual boot [08:05] oh any particular reason for that six? [08:05] It's more secure. [08:05] oh [08:06] no need to reboot for windows and if the vm dies or has a virus you can open a new vm and delete the old one [08:07] Or restore a snapshot [08:07] great idea.. ill try that [08:08] I looked at dual booting when I switched to Ubuntu many years ago. I never bothered, everything worked fine or I found Cross platform solutions to switch to [08:08] do you guys game? [08:09] I don't [08:09] a little, Steam has made a huge amount of games available for Linux now. [08:10] is it true there is bit fps problem in linux with games [08:10] you get high fps in games compare to playing in windows [08:10] read this somewhere.. not sure how true it is though [08:13] Steam is also pushing to have Linux compatibility due to SteamOS. Never had an issue but I'm not a big gamer. There's so many variables, could be closed graphics card drivers or whatever. [08:14] i see [08:15] noob question but whats gdebi package installed in system tools [08:18] I think it's a graphical application to install programs that are distributed as .deb files [08:19] https://launchpad.net/gdebi yep [08:20] so deb files are like exe files [08:21] No [08:22] deb files are like archives that can contain, among other files, executables. [08:22] oh ok [08:22] not really. A deb is a standard way of packaging a program for Debian based systems. .exe are windows executables [08:24] got you [08:26] So if i wanna download any software through a website like we do in windows, can i do it or its only through software boutique [08:27] btw is software boutique available in live version? im not able to find it lol [08:28] You should ideally use a package manager to install programs when starting out. [08:29] System > Admin for Boutique [08:30] got it thanks [08:31] can you guys recommend any web where i can learn basic commands for linux [08:44] There's loads of information out there. Either written in magazines, in video or text online. It depends how best you like to learn. [08:45] When you say basic commands I assume you mean CLI? [08:45] like installing or removing programs through terminal [08:46] navigating etc [08:47] also whats synpatic package manager [08:49] another package manager [08:51] in software boutique, i dont see any search area to look for a particular software. is wine available in boutique? [08:52] First you need to learn how to use the shell and then how apt works which is a CLI package manager. Yes wine is in boutique, magnifying glass for search [08:52] ubuntu-mate, I think the best way to learn basic CLI would be by reading our forums. Especially the "Tips, Tricks & Tutorials" category and the support category. [08:52] Or just install synaptic, which is a graphical package manager :D [08:53] i dont see any magnifying glass in boutique [08:53] Update your boutique [08:54] There's a "Retrieve latest software listings" thingy on the bottom I think [08:54] That also updates the boutique software itself [08:54] ok let me update [08:55] YES now i can see magnifying glass.. i have mastered linux my friends xd [08:55] debian.org/doc/ is a good place to start re learning [08:55] thanks six.. ill look into it [08:56] wine development builds is the full name right? [08:58] It depends how much you like reading and how much you like getting stuck in. I believe dev builds is the only one in the boutique [08:59] it's a ppa I believe [09:02] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html seems useful to bookmark if you like docs. [09:02] synaptic package manager also contains software like boutique? [09:03] thankyou [09:03] ill bookmart it [09:04] bookmark* [09:05] package managers just list what is in repositories. Boutique is designed to help new users get started with it's own selection of ppa's/repos providing useful programs. [09:06] oh ok [09:07] * sixwheeledbeast is off to work, bbl [09:07] bye six. thanks again [09:08] take care [09:12] what software do i need for .tar files [09:13] Engrampa, the archive manager, it's installed by default. [09:13] You can just right click and go "Extract here" [09:13] awesome thanks [09:13] is there anything in ubuntu u cant do graphically and must use terminal for that? [09:14] also, any bugs which should i know of [09:25] Try and find out [09:25] I haven't found any important bugs so far [09:25] looks promising so far [09:26] the only bug i found I cannot track it and it's linked to my job, so probably nothing major on ubuntu-mate [09:26] oh... yeah everything seems to work perfectly.. i have been testing live from last couple of hours [09:27] emjoy [09:27] enjoy* [09:27] do i need antivirus? lol [09:27] nope [09:27] awesome [09:28] whats the shorcut key to open synapse [09:34] CTRL+Space by default [09:36] didnt work for me.. that program comes pre installed right? [09:38] can anyone help me with my issue here i had installed katoolin like an idiot and then tried to remove it only to find out the software changed the release information [09:38] i really dont know what to type in there [09:38] for ubuntu mate that is [09:39] katoolin? what pokemon is that? xd [09:40] Haha [09:42] is there any good free vpn for linux? [09:43] Depends what you mean by "free" and "vpn". [09:43] You can freely use the OpenVPN client, and install your own VPN server as well. [09:44] vpn for anonymous browsing [09:44] not for severs [09:44] servers* [09:44] If you're referring to VPN services providers, then it's more or less the same as for Windows [09:44] ubuntu-mate, its a stupid decision was attempting to install kali tools into ubuntu-mate like an idiot [09:44] did not work out too well lol [09:44] http://askubuntu.com/questions/708836/removing-katoolin-from-ubuntu-14-04 [09:45] here are the instructions that i followed except this is for ubuntu-desktop since i could not find any instructions for mate [09:45] https://paste.ofcode.org/eTysSjCMQTw3Y39vfnJEQc [09:45] here is the code thats on my system [09:45] yeah like vpn services.. in windows some vpns are free and some charge.. [09:46] trying to edit it but i searched online for what exactly should I put in there just cant figure it out as im new to linux [09:46] so wondering if there is a free vpn client for ubuntu [09:46] could you help? [09:46] ubuntu-mate, well it's the same on Linux. [09:47] ubuntu-mate, ouroumov_ i personally use Windscribe you may want to try it out its 10gb free and the monthly cost is very low and the speed is fast https://windscribe.com/ [09:47] thanks [09:48] ubuntu-mate, could you help out bud? [09:48] just need to know what to put in these files [09:48] since the information is wrong its upable to reinstall software center as it should [09:48] and also kali-linux messed up my bios [09:48] anamik today is my first day using linux bro [09:48] i have no idea sorry [09:48] oh [09:49] ur using 16.04 ubuntu-mate right? [09:49] try asking ouroumov.. he is helping me out with my questions [09:49] yea 16.04 bro [09:50] Yeah sorry but I'm drawing a blank here. I can only recommend you try the fixes from the software boutique and reinstall if that doesn't work. [09:50] 2 days trying to figure out what the dam issue is seriously just rather toss my laptop out the window and stick to my mac lol [09:50] lool [09:51] turned on startup disk creator guess what? it does not recognize its own software cuz if i load up .iso for ubuntu it cant read it [09:52] anamik, so use dd command instead. [09:52] ouroumov_, would you have a moment to help out bud? [09:52] i did [09:52] 5 times [09:52] anamik, what makes u stop using mac and come to linux [09:52] it worked and didnt work at the same time [09:52] anamik, what command exactly did you use? [09:53] anamik, and did you check the sha256sum of the ISO before burning? [09:53] dd if=... of=... bs=1M [09:53] dont know how to do that [09:53] Yeah, that's not the whole command anamik [09:53] sha256sum [09:53] oh that explains it [09:54] just type sha256sum ubuntu.iso and make sure the ISO matches what's listed on the website [09:54] (On the downloadpage) [09:54] ok [09:54] checking [09:54] anamik, actual full command is dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=fdatasync [09:55] oh [09:55] didnt add the last part [09:55] is that to close out the drive? [09:55] if you forget the conv=fdatasync part, then you have to issue the "sync" command after dd completes [09:55] hmm [09:55] It's to flush the disk I/O buffer [09:56] gotcha let me handle this now [09:56] I'm gonna have a smoke, ttyl [09:56] thanks our.. bye [09:57] Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso [09:57] e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855 ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso [09:57] is that it? [09:58] anamik are you reinstalling? [09:58] well cant really figure out what the issue is so have no choice [09:58] but even with that i have an issue [09:59] which issue [09:59] kali highjacked the bootloader thanks kali [09:59] oh shit [09:59] and now it wont load up any bootable usb [09:59] that happened to me when i installed ubuntu along with windows [09:59] some grub loader messed everything [10:00] because my *release information is wrong and i cant find the right information i cant do software center reinstall so that i can fun grub loader fix [10:00] man that sucks [10:00] fix* [10:00] yea im not a kind of person who would ask for help unless i have exhausted all other options lol 2 days im suffering on this now [10:01] dont worry... u will find a solution [10:02] Has anyone here tried solus budgie? [10:02] looking for some insights in comparison to ubuntu [10:03] yea trying to figure out out [10:04] actually ubuntu-mate could you let me know what your system has in those files? [10:04] perhaps i can just use your information since you are using 16.04 anyways? [10:05] which files [10:05] im in live version right now [10:05] well 3 of them [10:06] hmm not sure if you would be able to access them [10:06] hmm i dont see any files [10:06] i can only see files of my main os [10:06] which is windows [10:06] but need 3 files 1) /etc/*release 2) /etc/os-release and 3) /etc/*issue [10:07] oh to access it all you have to do is turn out terminal [10:07] and type in perhaps nano /etc/*release may have to sudo it first [10:09] i dont know how to use terminal as of yet [10:09] whats the full command [10:09] e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855 ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso [10:09] is that it? [10:09] No [10:09] It should be: 39cb4d4069dd79a9104b8c1c5d0d4a5b009779eec55fafeceafcf43c7ebcaba4 [10:09] ==> Your iso is corrupted [10:09] ouroumov_, oh no i did a mistake [10:10] 16.04 version i have was failed download i have a version 17 which is fully downloaded [10:10] Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso [10:10] 7884a0f453abb912d14474ac11b15d85a275dedc92b197968b6f6bb1be724085 ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso [10:10] That's not good either [10:10] hmm [10:11] idk whats going on then [10:11] 410f7531b457fc6ec2d86775845a5855b96b6c0e75d63b5b8c918908299035ff is the correct hash [10:11] i downloaded from ubuntuy website itself [10:11] oh wait [10:11] but that's not the ubuntu mate release! [10:11] That's the normal ubuntu you're using [10:12] yea just trying to resolve the issue whatever the OS does not matter [10:12] lemme check the hash again [10:14] okay... I can't find the hashes for ubuntu standard -_- [10:14] lol f my life [10:14] lol [10:16] So screw that, please proceed to dd the iso and test if you can boot it [10:17] ok doing so now [10:30] ouroumov_ still going [10:30] takes forever at times eh? lol [10:31] Depends on the Speed of your USB connector and your key [10:34] yea its an old computer [10:34] trying to setup where i use my mac for work and linux for personal coding etc [10:35] idk every time i use linux i somehow become more productive its strange lol less distraction like games etc i guess === Postre is now known as PostreAFK [10:50] Hi all I'm new i will watch and learn [11:00] ouroumov_ still around? [11:02] ouroumov_ restarted, hit f9 to select boot order, selected USB and it still goes straight to the following screen - https://www.dropbox.com/s/687gg9rwlkjfndm/IMG_1250.JPG?dl=0 [11:37] anamik__, well, that's normal? [11:47] flexiondotorg, I have a weird issue with my bare-metal install of 17.04 Beta2, I'm not sure if the compositor or mate-panel is to blame: when I hover over an item in the task bar (standard layout - bottom), a split second before the tooltip appears there's a flash of the top-left corner of the screen. I'm using marco+compton. [11:47] (On an intel integrated graphics) [11:48] ouroumov_ Please try Marco software compositor and let me know it is works correctly. [11:49] flexiondotorg, same deal with software compositor [11:49] trying compiz [11:50] flexiondotorg, compiz not affected [11:51] ouroumov_ Just tested on my laptop with Intel integrated. I can't reproduce. [11:51] flexiondotorg, marco with no compositor is not affected either [11:59] flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc [12:04] flexiondotorg, it's not limited to the taskbar, basically any panel item that triggers a tooltip shows it [12:06] i hate tooltips .. I disable 'tooltips' [12:06] on panel -- everywhere [12:07] all notifications .. I will not have anything 'helpfully' obscuring bits of the screen [12:07] with information that I know [12:09] nomic, sure, that's what you prefer [12:09] For new users, tooltips are useful [12:09] It's part of system discovery [12:11] for new users [13:43] zz.z. === scott is now known as Guest75173 [14:11] z.z.z [14:11] ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.... you'll wake everyup up [14:20] * DarkPsydeLord is now awake... 0_0 [14:21] ⦿_⦿ [14:56] o.O [14:58] flexiondotorg, if you've watched it I'd like to take down the video. Do you know what component is likely to be responsible for this? === PostreAFK is now known as Goku_chi-chi [15:01] ouroumov_, have you tried with another gtk theme? [15:06] Akuli, it appears to affect all themes except High Contrast Inverse [15:06] is this a gtk 2 or 3 mate? [15:06] It's 17.04 Beta 2 - GTK3 [15:07] do other gtk 3 tooltips have this? [15:07] Yes, all tooltips I can see [15:08] e.g. this? http://termbin.com/bto2 [15:10] Akuli, what packages do I need to install for this to work? (It's a fresh install sorry) [15:11] no problem :) python3-gi and gir1.2-gtk-3.0 [15:11] i think [15:12] hm, those are already installed though, any special import in the python script? [15:12] you're running with python3 right? [15:12] yeah [15:13] can you pastebin the error? [15:13] or just find some other program that you know is written in gtk3 and has tooltip [15:14] http://termbin.com/oyrg [15:14] from gi.repository import gtk [15:14] Gtk [15:14] should be [15:15] Akuli, ok, yes I confirm this tooltip triggers it too. [15:15] then it could be a mate thing or a gtk 3 thing [15:15] i think pretty unlikely limited to ubuntu mate [15:19] ouroumov_ What video? [15:19] I'm gonna [15:19] flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc [15:23] brb === Goku_chi-chi is now known as PostreAFK [15:35] back [15:57] I watched it. [15:59] Not sure what I can do until I can reproduce it,. [22:32] blah