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| brunch875 | argh, some guy in front of me is typing by slapping his keyboard | 08:55 |
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| brunch875 | quite distracting | 08:55 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 08:56 |
| brunch875 | oups, I thought I sent this to #ubuntu-offtopic | 08:57 |
| javier4 | abeato: you got a minute? | 10:28 |
| abeato | javier4, hey, saw your MP, thanks | 10:29 |
| abeato | javier4, will try to take a look soon, I've been a bit busy | 10:29 |
| javier4 | abeato: I'm tryint to debug it on my own. Ill let you a question I got about your voicecall atom on mtk2, reply when you have the time: | 10:30 |
| javier4 | You defined mtk2_voicecall_probe that in the end calls g_idle_add(mtk2_delayed_register, vc). | 10:36 |
| javier4 | https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/mtk2modem/voicecall.c#L118 | 10:36 |
| javier4 | But before doing that it calls ril_voicecall_start from ril/voicecall.c, | 10:36 |
| javier4 | https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/rilmodem/voicecall.c#L769 | 10:36 |
| javier4 | that in turn, after setting a bunch of fields to vc, calls g_idle_add(mtk2_delayed_register, vc) too. Due to the different nature of netreg atom compared to voicecall one, my patch lacks this double call. Is it really necessary, or uselessly redundant? | 10:36 |
| hellslinger | hi everyone, I'm wondering if there is a way to startup ubuntu touch on my aquaris m10 in single user mode or or disable unity entirely? | 12:18 |
| lotuspsychje | hellslinger: why would you want to disable unity? | 13:05 |
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| dobey | hellslinger: short answer, no; longer anser, you can do whatever you want to it, but we can't really support it | 13:12 |
| dobey | ie, if you want some other interface based on ubuntu, you're going to have to build your own custom images and do all the integration work to make it usable for you | 13:13 |
| hellslinger | lotuspsychje, I'd just like to use fluxbox or Gnome 3 or something, I'd like to use it like a regular Linux computer | 13:31 |
| lotuspsychje | hellslinger: see what dobey suggested | 13:32 |
| hellslinger | dobey, I haven't dug into it too deeply, I imagine that the plasma mobile people have done something similar. On a desktop machine, I just disable lightdm and that's all it takes, is there an equivalent operation for touch on the aquaris m10? | 13:33 |
| dobey | phones are not regular computers | 13:38 |
| hellslinger | I understand that ARM boots differently from a BIOS or UEFI x86 system | 13:40 |
| hellslinger | but there is a certain point in the startup init system where it decides to launch Mir instead of X or a shell | 13:41 |
| dobey | it's not just booting differently | 13:41 |
| ogra | the kernel neither has support for tty consoles nor for X beyond framebuffer (which is unusable slow) | 13:42 |
| ogra | and for any usable X you dont have drivers | 13:42 |
| dobey | and a bunch of android stuff is required to even make network and such work | 13:43 |
| ogra | (it is all android drivers after all) | 13:43 |
| dobey | and then you need all the special phone stuff to set up modem and things properly | 13:43 |
| hellslinger | I see, yeah that's quite a bit | 13:44 |
| dobey | if you want a GNOME shell based system, i'd say you should work with upstream GNOME folk to get wayland working on top of android drivers, and build your own images based on wayland/gnome | 13:44 |
| dobey | if you just need some X based apps, set up a libertine container and run them from there | 13:45 |
| hellslinger | yeah, I have done that, but they don't work correctly, touch doesn't get translated, resizing doesn't work, etc | 13:45 |
| hellslinger | understood about the gnome thing, I believe the plasma mobile folks have based their stuff off the ubuntu images | 13:47 |
| dobey | yes | 13:47 |
| dobey | well i think plasma mobile is only built for a couple devices like nexus 5 and a tablet or something though | 13:47 |
| hellslinger | yeah | 13:48 |
| hellslinger | do you know when the 16.04 based ubuntu touch images will come to the m10 OTA? It's still on 15.04 | 13:49 |
| dobey | when snap based images are available, it will require a re-flash, because the system will i think be too different for an ota to work | 13:50 |
| leaftype | my god I want an ubuntu phone in the US. nearly got one when the international version came out, but the channels didn't match above 2g speeds | 14:29 |
| leaftype | as a tablet it has very few use cases. But my phone requirements are a lot simpler | 14:30 |
| dobey | leaftype: get a nexus 4 | 14:54 |
| dobey | leaftype: or a nexus 5 perhaps | 14:54 |
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| leaftype | dobey, how good is the nexus 5 port? nexus 4 is one hell of an old phone to be using. Discontinued 4 years ago, and with a non-removable battery | 16:14 |
| leaftype | nexus 5 is discontinued, and only community supported, but at least it's only... discontinued by 2 years. | 16:16 |
| leaftype | right now I use a second hand iPhone that I only get to last through an 8 hour shift by keeping it in airplane mode until breaks. battery issues on old phones suck | 16:17 |
| ogra | the N4 battery is definitely removable ... | 16:18 |
| ogra | (not fun and you need tools, but you can remove it) | 16:18 |
| leaftype | really? wikipedia says it's not | 16:18 |
| dobey | nexus 5 was only discontinued after android 6, so like 1.5 years | 16:19 |
| dobey | yes you can remove the nexus 4 battery | 16:19 |
| dobey | but not sure why you'd need to | 16:19 |
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| dobey | the one on nexus 5 is less removable | 16:20 |
| leaftype | because batteries die | 16:20 |
| dobey | as for the port, i don't know exactly how good it is right now; i did use ubuntu on nexus 5 as my only phone for like 2 years though | 16:20 |
| leaftype | that's encouraging :) | 16:21 |
| dobey | leaftype: well if you buy a refurb nexus 4, the battery should still last a very long time, unless you leave it plugged in 24/7 or do other craziness | 16:21 |
| dobey | i'm kind of surprised my nexus 5 isn't totally dead yet | 16:21 |
| dobey | i've had it for 3 years, and 2/3 of that were with ubuntu on it, with extremely poor battery life | 16:22 |
| dobey | i don't even really have a problem with the power button, which so many people complain about | 16:22 |
| leaftype | what do people say about hte power button? | 16:23 |
| dobey | after a while the power button apparently gets really troublesome and will stick and cause the phone to power off and such | 16:23 |
| dobey | but never really had that problem with mine | 16:24 |
| leaftype | holy shit, the nexus 4 still sells for $100 on amazon. I was not expecting that | 16:28 |
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| BOHverkill | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ | 17:35 |
| leaftype | well... that's sad | 17:47 |
| brunch875 | yes... very | 17:51 |
| brunch875 | now I wonder if I should flash android | 17:51 |
| brunch875 | but I really really do not want a google device tracking me around | 17:51 |
| brunch875 | I really like my utouch | 17:51 |
| brunch875 | even if the project flopped... well... it was worth it | 17:52 |
| leaftype | I'm afraid of the gloat that broader linux communites will have | 17:52 |
| matv1 | this really sucks so much | 17:52 |
| leaftype | What I don't understand is that the few times it actually came to market, it sold out almost instantly, didn't it? | 17:52 |
| brunch875 | it did | 17:52 |
| leaftype | Guess this means I'm sticking to iOS for the foreseeable future, not just while I'm staring at my empty wallet | 17:53 |
| dobey | brunch875: lineageos is pretty decent | 17:55 |
| leaftype | Does this mean Mir is dead too? | 17:56 |
| brunch875 | dobey: also android, right? | 17:56 |
| brunch875 | battery life yadda yadda | 17:56 |
| dobey | brunch875: based on android. i get decent battery life on my nexus 5. and don't sync contacts and everything into google and all that, like stock android requires you to do | 17:57 |
| richrboo_ | Sailfish | 17:57 |
| richrboo_ | Jolla | 17:57 |
| dobey | and android 7.1 has a lot more permissions enforcement than 4.4 did, for sure | 17:57 |
| brunch875 | I'll give those a try, I guess | 17:57 |
| leaftype | All I need from a phoneOS os is trust in security, a podcast player/downloader, and a web browser for reddit/youtube. The biggest problem i have with both google and apple is the first part | 17:58 |
| dobey | i don't think sailfish has ports for many devices | 17:58 |
| brunch875 | I feel tempted to just stick with utouch | 17:59 |
| richrboo_ | Interesting that Jolla bringing Sailfish to some Sony phones though | 17:59 |
| richrboo_ | Later this quarter | 17:59 |
| leaftype | ... huh | 18:03 |
| taiebot | Wanted to thanks everyone for all their efforts... | 18:24 |
| taiebot | Like firefox os i think ubuntu touch never got the chance it deserved. | 18:26 |
| taiebot | I enjoyed the ride will open a beer for all of you!!! | 18:27 |
| leaftype | beer for all! | 18:29 |
| leaftype | apparently 18.04 is gonig to gnome shell too? I think this day is going to be about 3 months of analysis | 18:29 |
| leaftype | triple checked the date. Nope, not hte first. | 18:29 |
| dobey | yay beer! | 18:30 |
| leaftype | need lots. There are some great brown ales made locally I think I'll have to get | 18:31 |
| leaftype | signing off. See you later | 18:32 |
| taiebot | i have opened mine but made a mess it's all-over the floor. what a sad day!! | 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | So Ubuntu touch is dead | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | as is ubuntu personal | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | as is unity 7 and 8? | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | just seen the breaking news ! | 19:40 |
| mcphail | sebsebseb: sad news :( | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: yeah it is really | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | did you work on touch | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | or just a user ? | 20:11 |
| mcphail | sebsebseb: an enthusiast | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: I guess too much work trying to base on 16.04 | 20:11 |
| mcphail | not unexpected, though | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | and converge things together | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and with little money gain | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | if any reallly so | 20:12 |
| mcphail | This could damage snappy, too | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: well there's stilll salifsihos at least :) | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and the whole snappy move why? | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | what was wrong with clicks for mobile seriously ? | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and the desktop could have gnoem flatpak or something | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | gone above looks like gnome my typo | 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: seems mir will die to then, without unity | 20:13 |
| mcphail | If Mir dies, I think the proposed snappy security model has to change | 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | snappy security model ? | 20:13 |
| mcphail | Yes - X doesn't provide isolation | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: I got a Linux Presentation Day coming up in a bit under three weeks, idea is to show the public LInux, get htem interested | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | but now its a bit like | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | hmm how much to show unity or not | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | what to say etc | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: Ubuntu can use wayland like other distros | 20:14 |
| mcphail | Not sure wayland does what is required. Could be wrong | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: thats for unity | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | for GNOME its fine and good | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | upstream gnome been using it etc | 20:15 |
| mcphail | sebsebseb: yes, but I meant for the snappy security isolation | 20:16 |
| mcphail | Anyway, wanted to say a big THANKS to all the devs. I've greatly enjoyed your work | 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | yeah same here :) | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: I wonder if both unity 7 and 8 will get forked ! | 20:19 |
| mcphail | sebsebseb: that'd be fun! Could try to make it an official flavour | 20:20 |
| * mcphail registers unubuntu.org | 20:21 | |
| sebsebseb | mcphail: would be funny is the word irony in this context | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | if suddenly they had to make like a offical ubuntu flavour | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | of the forekd unity 7 and 8 :D | 20:21 |
| taiebot | trying marius quabec tool | 20:27 |
| m0n5t3r | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ RIP :-/ | 20:37 |
| mcphail | m0n5t3r: sad days | 20:38 |
| * m0n5t3r still waiting for someone to make an OS I can install on bog-standard ARM phones, just like I install Ubuntu or Debian on the larger computers | 20:42 | |
| dobey | still not going to happen | 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | m0n5t3r salifish os is good | 20:48 |
| m0n5t3r | yeah, but it will require buying a new phone | 20:50 |
| dobey | there is no such thing as a "standard" ARM phone | 20:50 |
| dobey | lineageos will probably have the widest range of support though | 20:50 |
| m0n5t3r | is that the former cyanogenmod? | 20:53 |
| dobey | yes | 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | so will ubuntu toufch | 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | get any more updates | 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | or that it | 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | i mean security | 20:54 |
| m0n5t3r | well, I don't think ubuntu armhf repos are going anywhere, the problem is that ubuntu touch folks don't want users using apt | 20:55 |
| NwS | So that was it? Game Over? | 20:58 |
| m0n5t3r | well, at least on the desktop I'll stay on 16.04 until it goes out of support, maybe something else shows up in the mean time; maybe they turn that gnome steaming pile of crap into something usable | 21:01 |
| NwS | Awesome. We're stuck with droid, ios and windows (lol) | 21:02 |
| m0n5t3r | but I'm really sad about the touch part, because Android is a pretty crappy Linux system | 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | NwS: no there'ss salifish os | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | one last Linux contender :) | 21:04 |
| NwS | LoL right :P | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | salifsh os can do more than touch anyway | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | much more | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | even run android apps :d | 21:04 |
| NwS | You say that as if droid thingies are supposed to be any good | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | there's also tizen, but tahts samsungs thing really altough open source | 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | NwS: well the main streame market wants android apps thats what i mean | 21:05 |
| NwS | Well the market is full of chinese phones so .. | 21:06 |
| NwS | But w.e | 21:06 |
| sebsebseb | NwS: the meizux mx 4 ubuntu phone yeah | 21:06 |
| sebsebseb | and pro | 21:06 |
| NwS | Reading OMGUbuntu | 21:14 |
| NwS | Talking about great desktop future | 21:14 |
| NwS | The same minute the desktop market shrinks lol | 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | NwS: interface choice ? | 21:15 |
| taiebot | Well take care anyone!!! Some of you must be pissed off I appreciated the effort, maybe a fork will appear somewhere. I have my feeling that some people might decide to carry on with the project knowing that so much effort went into it. | 21:47 |
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| hellslinger | So does the big news mean there will be no more updates for phones and tablets? | 22:14 |
| mcphail | hellslinger: don't know for sure, but mhall119 has been quoted in Ars saying development is ending | 22:22 |
| black_pu1 | for what it's worth: thanks to everyone. this was the only project that had some potential to be a beautiful, usable, open stack with an actual ecosystem. Sadly, the market didn't provide the last bit... :( | 22:28 |
| mhall119 | please don't take my quote in ars as gospel, that was a simple reply to an email question, I didn't know it was going into an article | 22:52 |
| Acou_Bass | well if ubuntu touch *does* die off in terms of canonical development, id be interested to see it go on as a community effort similar to maemo and firefoxOS :D (i really hope the same thing happens with the unity desktop itself too, as its still my favourite DE) | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: yeah some commuinty forks of all of this would be nice if it comes to that, unity 7 and 8 both versions, plus ubuntu touch | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | h eh maybe even ubuntu personal the what was going to be 16.04 based thing, if that's in ok enough shape for a fork, which it probably isn't really | 22:55 |
| Acou_Bass | dood if unity 7 gets forked and continued | 22:56 |
| Acou_Bass | thatd be amazing | 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: leave a comment on Ars I guess, if you haven't already. a bit unfair if they quote you out of context etc | 22:56 |
| Acou_Bass | unity 7 running on wayland complete with compiz-style effects... year of the linux desktop indeed :P | 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: well its to do with lisences and so on to, but can fork all of that I guess | 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: what would be funny the irony I think the word is in the context, is if suddenly one of htose forks becomes popular, enough for ubuntu to have a reason to use it as an offiacl flavour, imagine that ! | 22:57 |
| Acou_Bass | 'ubuntu unity remix' | 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but out of a fork I mean | 22:58 |
| Acou_Bass | yeah i dont really know what a unity fork would be called | 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: I guess touch and unity, just isn't making caonicnanl money, like marks blog post seems to say as well so | 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | so nuked | 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | plus unity was seen as fragmentation by ceratin people in linux community etc like the blog post says, I see as a choice though, as do many others | 22:58 |
| Acou_Bass | yeah its another one of these 'lets chuck it at canonical and call it NIH syndrome' type things i guess | 23:00 |
| Acou_Bass | which y'know when linux mint do it, or when elementaryOS does it, or solus does it, its applauded | 23:01 |
| Acou_Bass | weird eh | 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: I think its since Canonical is commerical also has its Copyright assignemtns policy which people worry about | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | its not liek the fsf for examle with one as well apparnatly | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: the GNOME patching was mostly uh I was never keen on that | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | well certain things etc | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: but when they made netbook remix, and later unity, things started making more sense | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | things came more together etc and yeah unith 7 and 8 are both good interfaces really | 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | I would usaully prefer gnome 3 gnome shell though | 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | and mate | 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | depending on things | 23:05 |
| Acou_Bass | im not a huge fan of MATE its not terrible though | 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | GNOME 2 was good and popular | 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | lives on as Mate | 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | I never been that keen on XFCE or LXDE, but GNOME 2 and then Mate yep :@) | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | :) | 23:07 |
| Acou_Bass | yeah like i said its not my cuppa tea but i cant rag on it because it isnt a bad desktop at all | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | and cinnnamon no not keen on that, I did try out budgie though in virtual machine, that was good | 23:07 |
| Acou_Bass | yeah budgie is nice :D fairly quick too | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | impresive with the ubuntu welcome screen for it | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: I'll show that in a virtual machine at least at my event in just under three weeks | 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | Acou_Bass: I wonder if unity 8 preview from 16.10 well 17.04 make that, will get back ported to 16.04 :d | 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | I know its like dead or whatever, but | 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | then ok people can have both unity 7 and 8 preview thingey utnill 2021 | 23:08 |
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