=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:55] argh, some guy in front of me is typing by slapping his keyboard [08:55] quite distracting [08:56] lol [08:57] oups, I thought I sent this to #ubuntu-offtopic [10:28] abeato: you got a minute? [10:29] javier4, hey, saw your MP, thanks [10:29] javier4, will try to take a look soon, I've been a bit busy [10:30] abeato: I'm tryint to debug it on my own. Ill let you a question I got about your voicecall atom on mtk2, reply when you have the time: [10:36] You defined mtk2_voicecall_probe that in the end calls g_idle_add(mtk2_delayed_register, vc). [10:36] https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/mtk2modem/voicecall.c#L118 [10:36] But before doing that it calls ril_voicecall_start from ril/voicecall.c, [10:36] https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/rilmodem/voicecall.c#L769 [10:36] that in turn, after setting a bunch of fields to vc, calls g_idle_add(mtk2_delayed_register, vc) too. Due to the different nature of netreg atom compared to voicecall one, my patch lacks this double call. Is it really necessary, or uselessly redundant? [12:18] hi everyone, I'm wondering if there is a way to startup ubuntu touch on my aquaris m10 in single user mode or or disable unity entirely? [13:05] hellslinger: why would you want to disable unity? === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:12] hellslinger: short answer, no; longer anser, you can do whatever you want to it, but we can't really support it [13:13] ie, if you want some other interface based on ubuntu, you're going to have to build your own custom images and do all the integration work to make it usable for you [13:31] lotuspsychje, I'd just like to use fluxbox or Gnome 3 or something, I'd like to use it like a regular Linux computer [13:32] hellslinger: see what dobey suggested [13:33] dobey, I haven't dug into it too deeply, I imagine that the plasma mobile people have done something similar. On a desktop machine, I just disable lightdm and that's all it takes, is there an equivalent operation for touch on the aquaris m10? [13:38] phones are not regular computers [13:40] I understand that ARM boots differently from a BIOS or UEFI x86 system [13:41] but there is a certain point in the startup init system where it decides to launch Mir instead of X or a shell [13:41] it's not just booting differently [13:42] the kernel neither has support for tty consoles nor for X beyond framebuffer (which is unusable slow) [13:42] and for any usable X you dont have drivers [13:43] and a bunch of android stuff is required to even make network and such work [13:43] (it is all android drivers after all) [13:43] and then you need all the special phone stuff to set up modem and things properly [13:44] I see, yeah that's quite a bit [13:44] if you want a GNOME shell based system, i'd say you should work with upstream GNOME folk to get wayland working on top of android drivers, and build your own images based on wayland/gnome [13:45] if you just need some X based apps, set up a libertine container and run them from there [13:45] yeah, I have done that, but they don't work correctly, touch doesn't get translated, resizing doesn't work, etc [13:47] understood about the gnome thing, I believe the plasma mobile folks have based their stuff off the ubuntu images [13:47] yes [13:47] well i think plasma mobile is only built for a couple devices like nexus 5 and a tablet or something though [13:48] yeah [13:49] do you know when the 16.04 based ubuntu touch images will come to the m10 OTA? It's still on 15.04 [13:50] when snap based images are available, it will require a re-flash, because the system will i think be too different for an ota to work [14:29] my god I want an ubuntu phone in the US. nearly got one when the international version came out, but the channels didn't match above 2g speeds [14:30] as a tablet it has very few use cases. But my phone requirements are a lot simpler [14:54] leaftype: get a nexus 4 [14:54] leaftype: or a nexus 5 perhaps === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:14] dobey, how good is the nexus 5 port? nexus 4 is one hell of an old phone to be using. Discontinued 4 years ago, and with a non-removable battery [16:16] nexus 5 is discontinued, and only community supported, but at least it's only... discontinued by 2 years. [16:17] right now I use a second hand iPhone that I only get to last through an 8 hour shift by keeping it in airplane mode until breaks. battery issues on old phones suck [16:18] the N4 battery is definitely removable ... [16:18] (not fun and you need tools, but you can remove it) [16:18] really? wikipedia says it's not [16:19] nexus 5 was only discontinued after android 6, so like 1.5 years [16:19] yes you can remove the nexus 4 battery [16:19] but not sure why you'd need to === Tobirium1 is now known as Tobirium [16:20] the one on nexus 5 is less removable [16:20] because batteries die [16:20] as for the port, i don't know exactly how good it is right now; i did use ubuntu on nexus 5 as my only phone for like 2 years though [16:21] that's encouraging :) [16:21] leaftype: well if you buy a refurb nexus 4, the battery should still last a very long time, unless you leave it plugged in 24/7 or do other craziness [16:21] i'm kind of surprised my nexus 5 isn't totally dead yet [16:22] i've had it for 3 years, and 2/3 of that were with ubuntu on it, with extremely poor battery life [16:22] i don't even really have a problem with the power button, which so many people complain about [16:23] what do people say about hte power button? [16:23] after a while the power button apparently gets really troublesome and will stick and cause the phone to power off and such [16:24] but never really had that problem with mine [16:28] holy shit, the nexus 4 still sells for $100 on amazon. I was not expecting that === zenvoid_ is now known as zenvoid [17:35] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ [17:47] well... that's sad [17:51] yes... very [17:51] now I wonder if I should flash android [17:51] but I really really do not want a google device tracking me around [17:51] I really like my utouch [17:52] even if the project flopped... well... it was worth it [17:52] I'm afraid of the gloat that broader linux communites will have [17:52] this really sucks so much [17:52] What I don't understand is that the few times it actually came to market, it sold out almost instantly, didn't it? [17:52] it did [17:53] Guess this means I'm sticking to iOS for the foreseeable future, not just while I'm staring at my empty wallet [17:55] brunch875: lineageos is pretty decent [17:56] Does this mean Mir is dead too? [17:56] dobey: also android, right? [17:56] battery life yadda yadda [17:57] brunch875: based on android. i get decent battery life on my nexus 5. and don't sync contacts and everything into google and all that, like stock android requires you to do [17:57] Sailfish [17:57] Jolla [17:57] and android 7.1 has a lot more permissions enforcement than 4.4 did, for sure [17:57] I'll give those a try, I guess [17:58] All I need from a phoneOS os is trust in security, a podcast player/downloader, and a web browser for reddit/youtube. The biggest problem i have with both google and apple is the first part [17:58] i don't think sailfish has ports for many devices [17:59] I feel tempted to just stick with utouch [17:59] Interesting that Jolla bringing Sailfish to some Sony phones though [17:59] Later this quarter [18:03] ... huh [18:24] Wanted to thanks everyone for all their efforts... [18:26] Like firefox os i think ubuntu touch never got the chance it deserved. [18:27] I enjoyed the ride will open a beer for all of you!!! [18:29] beer for all! [18:29] apparently 18.04 is gonig to gnome shell too? I think this day is going to be about 3 months of analysis [18:29] triple checked the date. Nope, not hte first. [18:30] yay beer! [18:31] need lots. There are some great brown ales made locally I think I'll have to get [18:32] signing off. See you later [18:32] i have opened mine but made a mess it's all-over the floor. what a sad day!! [19:40] So Ubuntu touch is dead [19:40] as is ubuntu personal [19:40] as is unity 7 and 8? [19:40] just seen the breaking news ! [20:11] sebsebseb: sad news :( [20:11] mcphail: yeah it is really [20:11] did you work on touch [20:11] or just a user ? [20:11] sebsebseb: an enthusiast [20:11] mcphail: I guess too much work trying to base on 16.04 [20:11] not unexpected, though [20:12] and converge things together [20:12] and with little money gain [20:12] if any reallly so [20:12] This could damage snappy, too [20:12] mcphail: well there's stilll salifsihos at least :) [20:12] and the whole snappy move why? [20:12] what was wrong with clicks for mobile seriously ? [20:12] and the desktop could have gnoem flatpak or something [20:13] gone above looks like gnome my typo [20:13] mcphail: seems mir will die to then, without unity [20:13] If Mir dies, I think the proposed snappy security model has to change [20:13] snappy security model ? [20:14] Yes - X doesn't provide isolation [20:14] mcphail: I got a Linux Presentation Day coming up in a bit under three weeks, idea is to show the public LInux, get htem interested [20:14] but now its a bit like [20:14] hmm how much to show unity or not [20:14] what to say etc [20:14] mcphail: Ubuntu can use wayland like other distros [20:14] Not sure wayland does what is required. Could be wrong [20:15] mcphail: thats for unity [20:15] for GNOME its fine and good [20:15] upstream gnome been using it etc [20:16] sebsebseb: yes, but I meant for the snappy security isolation [20:17] Anyway, wanted to say a big THANKS to all the devs. I've greatly enjoyed your work [20:19] yeah same here :) [20:19] mcphail: I wonder if both unity 7 and 8 will get forked ! [20:20] sebsebseb: that'd be fun! Could try to make it an official flavour [20:21] * mcphail registers unubuntu.org [20:21] mcphail: would be funny is the word irony in this context [20:21] if suddenly they had to make like a offical ubuntu flavour [20:21] of the forekd unity 7 and 8 :D [20:27] trying marius quabec tool [20:37] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ RIP :-/ [20:38] m0n5t3r: sad days [20:42] * m0n5t3r still waiting for someone to make an OS I can install on bog-standard ARM phones, just like I install Ubuntu or Debian on the larger computers [20:45] still not going to happen [20:48] m0n5t3r salifish os is good [20:50] yeah, but it will require buying a new phone [20:50] there is no such thing as a "standard" ARM phone [20:50] lineageos will probably have the widest range of support though [20:53] is that the former cyanogenmod? [20:54] yes [20:54] so will ubuntu toufch [20:54] get any more updates [20:54] or that it [20:54] i mean security [20:55] well, I don't think ubuntu armhf repos are going anywhere, the problem is that ubuntu touch folks don't want users using apt [20:58] So that was it? Game Over? [21:01] well, at least on the desktop I'll stay on 16.04 until it goes out of support, maybe something else shows up in the mean time; maybe they turn that gnome steaming pile of crap into something usable [21:02] Awesome. We're stuck with droid, ios and windows (lol) [21:02] but I'm really sad about the touch part, because Android is a pretty crappy Linux system [21:04] NwS: no there'ss salifish os [21:04] one last Linux contender :) [21:04] LoL right :P [21:04] salifsh os can do more than touch anyway [21:04] much more [21:04] even run android apps :d [21:04] You say that as if droid thingies are supposed to be any good [21:04] there's also tizen, but tahts samsungs thing really altough open source [21:05] NwS: well the main streame market wants android apps thats what i mean [21:06] Well the market is full of chinese phones so .. [21:06] But w.e [21:06] NwS: the meizux mx 4 ubuntu phone yeah [21:06] and pro [21:14] Reading OMGUbuntu [21:14] Talking about great desktop future [21:14] The same minute the desktop market shrinks lol [21:15] NwS: interface choice ? [21:47] Well take care anyone!!! Some of you must be pissed off I appreciated the effort, maybe a fork will appear somewhere. I have my feeling that some people might decide to carry on with the project knowing that so much effort went into it. === TheKit is now known as NeKit [22:14] So does the big news mean there will be no more updates for phones and tablets? [22:22] hellslinger: don't know for sure, but mhall119 has been quoted in Ars saying development is ending [22:28] for what it's worth: thanks to everyone. this was the only project that had some potential to be a beautiful, usable, open stack with an actual ecosystem. Sadly, the market didn't provide the last bit... :( [22:52] please don't take my quote in ars as gospel, that was a simple reply to an email question, I didn't know it was going into an article [22:55] well if ubuntu touch *does* die off in terms of canonical development, id be interested to see it go on as a community effort similar to maemo and firefoxOS :D (i really hope the same thing happens with the unity desktop itself too, as its still my favourite DE) [22:55] Acou_Bass: yeah some commuinty forks of all of this would be nice if it comes to that, unity 7 and 8 both versions, plus ubuntu touch [22:55] h eh maybe even ubuntu personal the what was going to be 16.04 based thing, if that's in ok enough shape for a fork, which it probably isn't really [22:56] dood if unity 7 gets forked and continued [22:56] thatd be amazing [22:56] mhall119: leave a comment on Ars I guess, if you haven't already. a bit unfair if they quote you out of context etc [22:56] unity 7 running on wayland complete with compiz-style effects... year of the linux desktop indeed :P [22:57] Acou_Bass: well its to do with lisences and so on to, but can fork all of that I guess [22:57] Acou_Bass: what would be funny the irony I think the word is in the context, is if suddenly one of htose forks becomes popular, enough for ubuntu to have a reason to use it as an offiacl flavour, imagine that ! [22:57] 'ubuntu unity remix' [22:58] yeah, but out of a fork I mean [22:58] yeah i dont really know what a unity fork would be called [22:58] mhall119: I guess touch and unity, just isn't making caonicnanl money, like marks blog post seems to say as well so [22:58] so nuked [22:58] plus unity was seen as fragmentation by ceratin people in linux community etc like the blog post says, I see as a choice though, as do many others [23:00] yeah its another one of these 'lets chuck it at canonical and call it NIH syndrome' type things i guess [23:01] which y'know when linux mint do it, or when elementaryOS does it, or solus does it, its applauded [23:01] weird eh [23:03] Acou_Bass: I think its since Canonical is commerical also has its Copyright assignemtns policy which people worry about [23:03] its not liek the fsf for examle with one as well apparnatly [23:04] Acou_Bass: the GNOME patching was mostly uh I was never keen on that [23:04] well certain things etc [23:04] Acou_Bass: but when they made netbook remix, and later unity, things started making more sense [23:05] things came more together etc and yeah unith 7 and 8 are both good interfaces really [23:05] I would usaully prefer gnome 3 gnome shell though [23:05] and mate [23:05] depending on things [23:06] im not a huge fan of MATE its not terrible though [23:06] GNOME 2 was good and popular [23:06] lives on as Mate [23:07] I never been that keen on XFCE or LXDE, but GNOME 2 and then Mate yep :@) [23:07] :) [23:07] yeah like i said its not my cuppa tea but i cant rag on it because it isnt a bad desktop at all [23:07] and cinnnamon no not keen on that, I did try out budgie though in virtual machine, that was good [23:07] yeah budgie is nice :D fairly quick too [23:07] impresive with the ubuntu welcome screen for it [23:08] Acou_Bass: I'll show that in a virtual machine at least at my event in just under three weeks [23:08] Acou_Bass: I wonder if unity 8 preview from 16.10 well 17.04 make that, will get back ported to 16.04 :d [23:08] I know its like dead or whatever, but [23:08] then ok people can have both unity 7 and 8 preview thingey utnill 2021