[18:38] <floridagram> <KMyers> Holy Shit!!!
[18:38] <floridagram> <KMyers> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity
[18:38] <floridagram> <KMyers> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[18:38] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> you know OMGUbuntu is click bait
[18:39] <floridagram> <KMyers> @ahoneybun, I cannot deny that but the content in this case is completely true
[18:39] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> it's bullshit
[18:39] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> well just dumping Unity8
[18:39] <floridagram> <KMyers> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[18:39] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> all that work with Qt
[18:39] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> I saw that
[18:40] <floridagram> <KMyers> They are not dumping Unity, just changing focus
[18:40] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> well switching from Unity to GShell kinda reads that way
[18:42] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> @KMyers biggest question is does that make Ubuntu GNOME useless
[18:42] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> at least 18.04
[18:42] <floridagram> <KMyers> It does, unless Ubuntu proper will use a customized build of Gnome, and Ubuntu Gnome will use a pure build
[18:42] <floridagram> <KMyers> I am not sure
[18:43] <floridagram> <KMyers> @mhall119 - ping
[18:43] <floridagram> <mhall119> pong
[18:43] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> well I wonder if they will ship a pure Natuius
[18:43] <floridagram> <KMyers> Do you know anything more about this?
[18:43] <floridagram> <KMyers> (Late April Fools Day joke perhaps)
[18:43] <floridagram> <mhall119> not really, I was only told about it today
[18:43] <floridagram> <mhall119> no joke I'm afraid :(
[18:44] <floridagram> <KMyers> I personally like Gnome and use Gnome but this is a pretty insane change
[18:44] <floridagram> <mhall119> I don't think there's been a decision yet (or even much discussion yet) about whether 18.04 will ship "Vanilla" GNOME, or "Ubuntu-ized" GNOME
[18:48] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> I hope they keep the forked Nautilus
[18:49] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> as it keeps good features
[18:49] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> that the developers for some crazy reason removed
[18:52] <floridagram> <Ivoriesablaze> I like gnome... It makes my lawn pretty
[18:53] <floridagram> <Ivoriesablaze> And I don't think it's unfortunate one bit, gnome seems more comfortable to me
[18:58] <floridagram> <govatent> All the fighting I did for unity
[19:16] <maxolasersquad> I'm a pretty big fan of Unity, and have advocated for it, but at the end of the day my DE isn't very important to me.
[19:16] <maxolasersquad> Gnome is a solid DE and probably won't much notice the difference.
[19:17] <maxolasersquad> I remember that the 12.04 developer summit when this initiative was anounced it seemed like we'd have all this by 14.04. Here we are at 17.04 and still nothing production ready.
[19:46] <floridagram> <Abrerr> Wow. Gnome. Why?
[19:47] <floridagram> <Abrerr> Didn't see that coming.
[19:52] <maxolasersquad> Ubuntu has always been Gnome-based. Unity uses all of Gnome's underpinnings, or forks of the Gnome underpinnings.
[19:56] <floridagram> <Abrerr> You're right, but what roadblock did they hit to dump Ubuntu's staple DE and decide to rep the Gnome?
[19:58] <maxolasersquad> The Unity desktop, at this point is iconic. Every time it's used it immediately signals that Ubuntu is being used. I'm sad to see it go.
[19:59] <floridagram> <Abrerr> I can't load up the blog post atm
[19:59] <floridagram> <Abrerr> So Mir, convergence and mobile are out the window I guess?
[19:59] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> well Mir is dead
[19:59] <floridagram> <KMyers> No
[20:00] <floridagram> <Abrerr> When did Mir die? I feel like I missed something. :O
[20:00] <floridagram> <Abrerr> But I've been living under a rock so maybe I have. lol
[20:02] <floridagram> <ahoneybun> well I hear it is dead
[20:05] <floridagram> <Abrerr> Gnome is plenty good. Just surprising to hear.
[20:05] <floridagram> <Abrerr> Looking forward to the next LTS.
[21:56] <floridagram> <SivaMachina> Also if someone could make an extension of the title bar integration with the top panel for Gnome 3 would be nice.