[13:47] <ali1234> flocculant: if it is really hanging, then you can attach gdb to it after it hangs
[13:48] <ali1234> or strace
[13:48] <ali1234> and then you can see where it happened
[13:48] <ali1234> -p <pid of hung process>
[15:14] <knome> pleia2, we have a mail we need to reply to in the -contacts mod queue
[15:14] <knome> pleia2, re: hardware endorsement
[15:37] <flocculant> ali1234: k
[16:01] <flocculant> anyone with a zesty install - can you check suspend and lock please
[16:02] <flocculant> I'm seeing suspend come out of lock and then lock again - eg needs 2 password inputs 
[16:02] <flocculant> lock appears to not do that here
[18:01] <genii> In case someone didn't see this already. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[19:40] <ochosi> holy crap, srsly no more unity8?
[19:41] <knome> :)
[19:42] <knome> not even april fools day
[19:43] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[20:06] <knome> so re: lightdm (and why not something else), maybe it's time to start looking for some friends outside ubuntu
[20:06] <knome> what i mean by this that we could cooperate and focus efforts on getting $x working with xfce on all operating systems
[20:06] <knome> instead of trying to fix everything in an isolated environment
[20:07] <ochosi> getting $x?
[20:08] <knome> $x being lightdm, light-locker, ...
[20:11] <Unit193> Well, we don't know what's all going out the door yet either.
[20:11] <knome> nope
[20:12] <knome> but there are likely other operating systems using thunar as well
[20:12] <knome> they don't seem to be too active with the development, but maybe we could try contacting them
[20:14] <Unit193> Manjaro Xfce looks to be using LXDM.
[20:15] <knome> is that going to be a nogo too if/when lxde becomes lxqt?
[20:15] <knome> or is that project discarded?
[20:15] <Unit193> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Install_Display_Managers see also.
[20:15] <knome> (lxqt)
[20:15] <Unit193> lxqt is alive and "well"
[20:16] <ochosi> haven't heard any lxqt news in a while
[20:16] <knome> me neither
[20:17] <knome> that's why i asked...
[20:18] <ochosi> anyhow, no reason to freak out just yet
[20:18] <knome> not at all
[20:18] <knome> my suggestion wasn't a freak out reaction
[20:19] <ochosi> i wonder what the ubuntu gnome guys are thinking right now...
[20:19] <knome> heh.
[20:19] <knome> maybe they are freaking out... :P
[20:19] <ali1234> the biggest problem for xubuntu will be indicators
[20:22] <ochosi> not just xubuntu, but yeah, us too
[20:22] <ochosi> we probably should fork them
[20:25] <Unit193> Can't honestly maintain them though.  Might be easier just to find out from someone what all Canonical is dropping.
[20:44] <ali1234> would probably be easier to port the indicators over to be panel applets
[20:44] <ali1234> rather than maintain the full indicator stack, which consists of lots of stuff that nobody outside of canonical seems to understand
[20:45] <ali1234> would save all that trouble with upstart events to get the all running
[20:45] <ochosi> i think elementary also relies on them heavily
[20:45] <ali1234> mmm yes, that certainly was true a few years ago
[20:45] <ali1234> not sure where they are now though
[20:46] <ali1234> i seem to recall they were going to drop them, or rewrite them as native plugins for their desktop, or something
[20:54] <ali1234> http://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/755/how-can-i-test-the-new-indicators
[20:56] <ali1234> looks like they forked them
[21:10] <Unit193> So, indicator-{application,sound}, but what about the base libraries?
[21:11] <ali1234> looks like they still use ayatana
[21:26] <bluesabre> Evening all
[21:37] <knome> time for a polo raffle.
[21:38] <knome> ubottu, random dave david unit
[21:38] <knome> ubottu, random dave david unit
[21:38] <knome> someone else plz
[21:38] <knome> ubottu, random dave david unit
[21:38] <knome> there we go
[21:38] <knome> akxwi-dave, slickymaster: you're the new happy owners of xubuntu polo shirts
[21:39] <knome> Unit193, and i guess you kind of got what you wanted as well... so congrats? (and sorry for the bad luck)
[21:39] <Unit193> :(
[21:39] <Unit193> I knew it didn't like me.
[21:39] <knome> maybe we'll contact the other vendor and ask for some t-shirts later :P
[21:40] <Unit193> Congrats, akxwi-dave, slickymaster.
[21:41] <knome> pleia2, i'll check if there's any difference in shipping costs to uk/portugal (i'm guessing it's all the same for you) and confirm once i'm done. ok? :)
[21:51] <pleia2> knome: sure
[21:53] <knome> great!