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SuperMattI'm not surprised by the news today. After it was announced that Ubuntu would be tracking gnome again, it seemed like it was a foregone conclusion. I'm a little bamboozled why it won't be default in 17.10 though - I would expect it to be tested there before becoming default in LTS07:07
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:09
* SuperEngineer checks clock, checks window.... and agrees08:12
SuperMattWhile I agree on principle that these are the facts as it stands, one should not draw attention to them, lest it tiggers a panic attack in some of the channel dwellers08:13
SuperMattthat is, please stop reminding everyone it's morning, because it's terrrible08:14
* SuperEngineer withdraws comment, closes curtain, adjusts clock... and agrees, it is indeed bedtime ;-)08:15
JamesTaitGood morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy New Beer's Eve! 😃 🍻08:20
SuperMattThis is the eve of new beers? What kind of beers will we get tomorrow?08:21
SuperEngineerIs it a leap beer?08:21
SuperMattI'd rather not do any leaping while drinking my beer08:24
SuperMattThough I would personally prefer to drink wine08:25
SuperEngineerah, yes... wine.  The only beverage designed to allow Windows games to be played on Linux08:27
brobostigonwhich is also handy when cooking a ragu.08:30
TwistedLuciditySuperEngineer: It's always morning somewhere08:30
TwistedLucidityUnless you are using some badly written software, in which case it's randomly half-past last Tuesday.08:31
SuperEngineer:)08:31
* TwistedLucidity thinks any coder who can't handle datetimes should have their fingers broken.08:31
SuperEngineerlol, a coder who has a date?08:32
TwistedLucidityA date. Maybe a prune.08:32
SuperMattAlas, coding datetimes is considered one of the biggest frustrations in programming08:32
SuperEngineersurely, even coders have girlfriends08:32
SuperMattwouldn't be a problem if all countries ditch DST08:32
SuperMattthen we could near enough half the number of timezones08:33
TwistedLuciditySome even have (shocker) boyfriends!08:33
TwistedLucidityMaybe08:33
SuperMattI'm a Linux enthusiast, and I admit to having a wife!08:33
brobostigonmy gf isnt my wife yet, :(08:34
TwistedLucidityI'm not even thinking as far as DST, legislative TZ changes etc. I am thinking of fundamentally not knowing that a time offset even exists and that any time can be assumed to be local.08:35
TwistedLucidityDoes08:35
TwistedLucidityMy08:35
TwistedLucidityHead08:35
TwistedLucidityIn08:35
SuperMattWe were watching Mr Robot the other day, and she found it so... "invigorating" that she insisted I copy the next episode on to them memory stick via command line08:35
TwistedLucidityYou didn't transcode it in VLC using the ASCII filter? :-)08:36
SuperMattnaw, it was already in the correct formats, so it was just a copy08:37
SuperMattbut I did make sure to use rsync -avP so she could see the progress08:37
brobostigoni am lucky though, my gf plays D&D with me, :)08:38
TwistedLucidityMedia formats is something I should understand better.08:38
SuperMattI don't think my wife would be interested in playing D&D, though she would certainly find it "interesting" to watch a group of guys playing08:39
popeyI have never played any D&D in my life08:40
TwistedLucidityWatch "The Gamers" by "Dead Gentleman productions". A delightfully terrible movie. The sequel is even better (the best actor is an artificial tree).08:40
popeywould like to I think08:40
brobostigon:)08:40
SuperMattSome people play over hangouts these days08:40
popeyoh08:40
TwistedLucidityHow fun it is depends on the Dungeon Master to a large extent08:40
SuperMattNo need to physically relocate08:40
SuperMattyes indeed, the DM is the most important person08:41
TwistedLucidityLoads of gaming cafes opening up around here. Seems to be the latest craze.08:41
brobostigonTwistedLucidity: yes, to DM takes alot of poractice to get right.08:41
brobostigonpractice*08:41
SuperMattWembley would never get something like that. If it doesn't cater to the football crowds, it's not going to get approved08:41
TwistedLucidityBecause some upstart little dwarf usually wants to go off piste......08:41
SuperMatt*le sigh*08:41
SuperMattI'm normally the upstart dwarf, and not just because I'm 5'4"08:42
* brobostigon normally plays a wizard when he isnt DM'ing.08:43
SuperMattwe could do a #ubuntu-uk D&D via hangouts08:43
brobostigonhuman wizard*08:43
brobostigon:D08:43
SuperMattalthough a simpler system might be better08:44
SuperMattFate is pretty good for quick games08:44
SuperMattand it's OS08:44
SuperMatthttp://www.faterpg.com/08:44
brobostigonto DM long distance like that, is doing to be very difficult.08:44
SuperMattaahh no, all you need is a wiki/dropbox/google drive and hangouts08:45
SuperMattah, this is the correct site for Fate: http://www.evilhat.com/home/fate-core/08:46
TwistedLucidityRasPis, mics, TVs....could have multiple "teams"08:51
SuperMattWhy would we need the RasPis?08:52
SuperMattAll I'd need is my laptop08:52
SuperMattit would be useful to use and IRC bot to do the dice rolls08:53
TwistedLucidityEasier to to on a TV with a group of peple I would have thought08:53
SuperMattwell, whatever step up you want in your own home is up to you08:53
TwistedLucidityHence why I said "teams"08:54
SuperMattI'd just be on my laptop08:54
SuperMattOf course, the only time I have to play is on Saturday mornings08:54
TwistedLucidityWell as the g/f would also want to play D&D, collaboration with a TV might be easier. And I can sit on the couch (we have no dining table).09:08
SuperMattfair09:09
TwistedLucidityIn theory I could play in the home office, but the reason I have an office is I don't want to be in there after hours unless I absolutely have to be09:09
SuperMattI would play on my kitchen table09:09
SuperMattthough there's no reason why I couldn't play on the tv09:09
biomorphHi all.  I did an apt upgrade earlier this week and my wifi has gone very iffy.  I can't be the only person that this has happened to.09:31
biomorphapplet says "Device not ready".  If I turn off wifi (from the applet) restart NetworkManager and re-enable wifi it works.09:32
biomorphBut I have to do this at every restart.09:32
biomorphI'm using 16.0409:32
SuperEngineerWoah!  It's way past April !st, Ars Tech.... but a brilliantly funny headline even so:10:24
SuperEngineerhttps://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/04/siime-eye-vibrator-security-issues/10:24
diddledanSuperEngineer: they've given it a thorough going-over10:59
SuperEngineer;-)11:00
diddledanthey've seen it's privates11:00
SuperEngineerthey've been where no hacker dare to go before11:01
* zmoylan-pi wonders if they're affected by the airplane cabin electronics ban...11:02
SuperEngineer"volunteers wanted for security in flight testing project"11:06
diddledanlol11:06
diddledanmile high11:06
diddledan"we require security professionals for a mile high penetration test"11:07
diddledanI saw a teardown of a massager which was mains-powered. it was scary to think people put that near their thingy11:09
* SuperEngineer unplugs massager11:09
zmoylan-pipeople injure themselves every day with zips in that area...11:09
diddledanzmoylan-pi: owie!11:10
zmoylan-piworse when afterwards they have to then open the zip to free themselves11:11
diddledanhere tis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKQmBWTRnw11:12
diddledanmaybe nsfw, I can't remember11:12
SuperEngineernot to sure I want to watch if that is re "zip injuries"11:13
diddledanno, that was 'the rinky pink pounder. hitachi magic wand clone "teardown"'11:13
SuperEngineeroh, in which case I'm guessing your right with nsfw11:14
zmoylan-piyou were researching it for testing the mtbfs for hard drives... :-P11:17
diddledannah, someone posted it in the freenas channel11:20
diddledanseveral days/weeks ago now11:21
SuperEngineerAnybody here use that thar telegram thingy?11:43
SuperEngineer[apart from the obvious]11:43
* diddledan beeps in a pattern into a phoneline11:44
diddledanbip bip bip, beep beep beep, bip bip bip11:45
SuperEngineerlol11:45
* zmoylan-pi whistles v.32 in response11:45
diddledanI will never understand new fangled telegrams11:45
diddledangive me pony express11:46
* SuperEngineer sends fax and goes "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"11:46
zmoylan-piim is the new fad.... again... so every company has to have their foot in the water and be completely incompatible with all others11:46
diddledanwhat happened to XMPP is the future of all IM?11:46
diddledaneven Google did XMPP for a while. they're closing it down11:47
SuperEngineerit got swallowed by YNQQ11:47
zmoylan-pithey all ignore that as they want lockin11:47
diddledanhow does libpurple fare these days with the various locked-in protocols?11:47
SuperEngineerajdfff ftg-p[dgvj' uolkhn,dd fek'd krpf['c emrmygfcdedsza\11:48
SuperEngineer[that was "ah, but you can send encrypted messages iusing trlrgram"11:49
zmoylan-pigort, klatu barada niktu - that was you wouldn't recognise klingon so i resorted to ancient meme11:50
SuperEngineer...and you can also an arsehole complete be Telegram on11:50
SuperEngineerthat "encrypted message needs no translation, but describes the current state of some the channels a lot better]11:50
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: you *do* realise what you've just done, don't you?11:51
zmoylan-pisent a large robot to look for the alien...11:51
SuperEngineerit might find me!!!!!11:52
zmoylan-piplay dead11:53
SuperEngineerthen I've got the tedious job of having to save the planet - yet again11:53
zmoylan-pisave the planet 5 times and get a free bagel11:55
SuperEngineer[tho might accidentally let whitehouse be the only victim - whoops, clumsy me]11:56
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi lies!  [either that or the bagel delivery service is complete rubbish]11:59
diddledanspeaking of bagels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfs4PAF94Wg11:59
SuperEngineer"anyone want one of these?"  rofl12:01
SuperEngineerAlso, on the subject of bagels: if by some strange coincidence, I was suddenly to get an urger to try out Unity8 [for absolutely no reason, you understand]...12:07
SuperEngineerwould it be sufficient to simply install "Unity8 desktop session for Mir"?12:08
SuperEngineer..& did it ever get supported by nVidia driver?12:08
SuperEngineeroh, I said "on the subject of bagels", didn't I...12:10
SuperEngineerso, if whilst eating a bagel and getting an urger to try out Unity8....12:11
SuperEngineer*urge12:11
ali1234mir doesn't support nvidia, it also doesn't support most graphics cards12:22
ali1234installing the desktop session is theoretically enough12:22
ali1234but it will only work on a handful of cards (much like wayland)12:22
ali1234last time i checked it would only work on intel HD graphics12:24
diddledanthis is taking xmpp a bit strangely: http://archipelproject.org/12:26
SuperEngineerali1234: hmmmmmmmmm, not the answer I was hoping for.... but thanks for the info12:26
ali1234you're not missing much12:27
diddledanunity 8 is going away anywho12:27
SuperMattViva Gnome!12:27
SuperEngineeryup, I wanted to see what I what never going to be able get otherwise, curiosity.12:27
diddledanviva espana12:27
SuperEngineerviva Zipatta12:27
ali1234does anyone know if it is possible for a gnome shell extension to completely remove all the visible parts of gnome shell, and then replace them with something actually good?12:28
ali1234also, is it possible to write extensions in a language other than javascript?12:28
SuperMattQuite interesting that none of the major distro (not including spins) decided to ship with KDE12:28
ali1234not that surprising, given how much it crashes12:28
diddledandoesn't OpenSuSE use KDE by default?12:29
SuperMattI'm not sure12:29
zmoylan-pikde users are only happy when ignored by all the major distros... :-)12:29
ali1234yes, but opensuse is not a major distro :)12:29
ali1234opensuse is now a continuous integration system that sometimes produces a working iso12:29
SuperMattquick! check distrowatch to see if it has a high %age12:29
SuperMatteven though we know it's a terrible metric12:30
SuperEngineerStop knocking opensuse!  The disc once stopped my coffee table from getting stained!12:32
SuperMattheh12:32
ali1234wait a minute12:32
ali1234i always thought SuperEngineer and SuperMatt were the same person :O12:33
zmoylan-piyou ran out of aol floppies?!12:33
SuperMattsilly ali123412:33
SuperMattopenSUSE does indeed use KDE by default12:34
SuperEngineeron the other hand... we both think you should be known as SuperAli, diddledan should be known as SuperDidd, ali1234 should be known as SuperAli.....12:34
SuperMattagreed12:34
* SuperMatt waits for the flood of name changes12:35
SuperEngineer,..forgot; & zmoylan-pi should be known as SuperZmoy12:35
SuperEngineerwe await...12:36
ali1234anyone know where i can get a set of plastic samples?12:37
ali1234different kinds of plastic that is12:37
ali1234not just 100 different colours of perspex12:37
SuperMattplastics r us12:37
SuperEngineerali1234: a plastics fabricator?  Surely there must be one in your region.12:38
ali1234probably but i dont know what to google for12:38
ali1234most companies seem to specialize in one type of plastic12:38
SuperEngineerk12:38
ali1234hence their sample book is "100 different colours of X"12:39
zmoylan-piare you looking for plastic for a particular task?12:39
ali1234yes12:39
ali1234i need a thin, rigid plastic that is semi-transparent, and can support a living hinge12:40
ali1234also should be neutral colour12:41
SuperEngineermylar?12:41
SuperEngineeroh, hang on, not rigid12:41
ali1234not rigid12:41
ali1234also it must be possible to glue it, so not teflon :)12:42
SuperEngineerhave you tried posting to a university research dept?12:42
ali1234no :)12:43
ali1234how would i even do that?12:43
ali1234what i need is something like the stuff they make plastic milk bottles out of12:43
ali1234but a bit thicker12:43
zmoylan-piHigh Density12:43
zmoylan-piPolyethylene12:43
zmoylan-pilists the types used in wrappings... http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/types-plastic12:44
ali1234LDPE might be better12:46
ali1234oh!12:47
ali1234"ice cream containers"12:47
ali1234yes, that's what i want12:47
ali1234that's HDPE12:47
SuperEngineerthat's HOPE [pardon thwe pun]12:47
ali1234now i just need to find a 1mm sheet12:48
SuperEngineerA commercial food container from a kitchen [pub, restaurant, school]?12:49
ali1234i dont even need a big piece...12:49
zmoylan-pii was looking for plastic a few months back.  i did find sheets down the local diy store. not cheap but you never know12:52
ali1234ebay has every type of plastic you can imagine, and cheap12:52
ali1234just a matter of finding it12:52
zmoylan-pithing about diy store is you can have a good poke12:52
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: it's a good job I have perfectly innocent mindset tucked in this skull12:57
zmoylan-piit's the one in the tupperware in the freezer we worry about...12:58
SuperEngineerhurumph12:58
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foobarryfinding myself refreshing all the social medias in order to find a snippet more info about the ubuntu announcement. but there isn't any14:53
SuperMattPhoronix has said that half the unity 8 team have been laid off15:01
SuperMattI guess it may come down to running low on funds to continue inventing new things that weren't gaining traction15:02
foobarrythe other half diverted to making ubuntu great again?15:15
SuperEngineerYea gads, you should see the idiots on telegram channel discussing this... it ain't pretty15:17
foobarrycan i see that in a browser?15:19
foobarryor do i not want to?15:19
SuperEngineeryou don't want to15:20
SuperEngineeryou have better things do do with your life15:21
ali1234i dont15:21
ali1234is it worth going to troll them?15:21
SuperEngineerthese are not the droids you are looking for15:21
SuperEngineerali1234: yes, it would be fun15:22
foobarryso telegram is slack for opensource?15:22
popeyi guess.15:22
foobarryor is more like whatsapp?15:22
popeythat15:22
ali1234rocketchat is opensource slack15:23
foobarryi do indeed have better things to do15:23
foobarryeven on my day off15:23
diddledanI don't get when ubuntu-related stuff should be on the rocketchat instance or on irc15:23
diddledan(yes, there is an ubuntu rocketchat instance!)15:23
diddledansee: https://rocket.ubuntu.com/15:24
SuperEngineerpopey, would it be insensitive to say that I hope your day hasn't been too much pile-of-poo-like15:25
diddledanhow is wishing someone well ever going to be insensitive?15:25
diddledanpopey: we wub j0015:26
popeyi can imagine other people have worse15:28
SuperEngineernods15:28
* diddledan cuddles the pope15:29
diddledanhmm, was that the wrong pontification?15:30
* diddledan hugs the popey too15:30
diddledanwat: "The International Monetary Fund (IMF) Investigation Department Washington DC is here by to inform you that  we recently received several reports through our Global surveillance network that your transaction has failed to be successful after diverse efforts because the offices and individuals involved has made it a swindle opportunity hence they15:32
diddledancontinue to demand for money without substantial reasons."15:32
diddledan"Consequently this esteemed office has today recuperated your funds valued the sum of £5,000.000.00 (Five million pounds) from the erratic custody, meanwhile if you noticed any change of amount or value it’s rather as a result of the false information you have been fed or imparted by those hoodlums."15:32
diddledandon't you love these spams?!15:32
diddledanthose hoodlums!!15:32
diddledanthis guy has a strange approach: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2017-April/017379.html15:42
diddledannotably the statement: "If I get support, I'll consider publishing code of linux-purge"15:42
diddledanhe got called on it several months ago iirc15:43
m0nkey_lol16:02
m0nkey_This line kills me "You can donate to me on my homepage now."16:03
foobarryautoremove seems to achieve this already16:06
* SuperEngineer creates home page - waits for donations16:06
foobarrymy xbox360 is dying :(16:06
diddledanSuperEngineer: I donated goodwill16:06
foobarryfamily rely on it for watching amazon/netflix/plex16:06
diddledan:-o16:07
foobarryi will donate free advice to the guy16:07
diddledanxbox360. dead.!?!16:07
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLzC3nPhUEM16:07
foobarryit freezes after a short while.16:10
foobarrygonna try to open it up and hoover it again but i fear it is shagged16:10
SuperEngineercheck if there's anythinng that do with a reseat while you're dust blasting it16:11
SuperEngineer*could do with16:11
SuperEngineer... & use the blowing end of the hoover. not the sucking end!16:12
SuperEngineerfailing all else - put it back together and give it a good old fashioned slap on the head16:13
SuperEngineerit'll hurt your hand but may "reseat" the thingy whatsit that needed reseating16:14
SuperEngineerif all that fails... it's memory may be a teency weency bit suspect16:15
* diddledan reseats SuperEngineer16:16
diddledanquite hard16:16
SuperEngineerouch! not *that* hard16:17
ali1234whats linux-purge?16:20
SuperEngineera kernel remove script???16:24
SuperEngineera replacement for prunes???16:26
diddledanali1234: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-May/016574.html16:26
diddledancontinued at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-October/017000.html16:26
diddledanand https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-September/016954.html16:27
foobarrySuperEngineer: i think its a cooling issue or needs some fresh thermal paste on the chips16:28
SuperEngineerfoobarry: feel free to hit anyway, it may not help the 360 but it'll make you feel good16:31
foobarryi call it an xbox, its a skyrim box16:31
foobarryso, has anyone actually tried maru OS?16:32
foobarryprecious little on youtubes16:33
KnightW0rkevening16:55
diddledandoes anyone use a cow orking space? I'm wondering whether the cows are provided or if you need to take your own :-p17:29
DJones_diddledan: Whats a "orking space"?17:36
diddledanDJones_: where one orks17:36
diddledanspecifically in this case, orking of cows17:37
DJones_I don't even want to think what that involves17:39
foobarryhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/06/broadcom-wifi-vulnerability-allows-remote-code-execution-affects-almost-android-devices/17:39
diddledan\o/17:39
diddledanso much fun17:40
diddledanthere was an iOS version of that a few days ago17:40
diddledanit might not be the same vuln but similar in that the wifi was allowing remote code exec17:41
diddledanis your mainframe leaking memory like a sieve? you need Visual COBOL: https://www.microfocus.com/products/visual-cobol/visual-cobol-for-visual-studio/18:18
zmoylan-piis it available on punch cards?18:19
foobarryhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/06/canonical_cuts_jobs_with_unity_bullet/18:22
diddledanhttps://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/lego-macintosh-classic-raspberry-pi/18:22
zmoylan-pi[6~18:26
zmoylan-pisorry... just testing my falling asleep at the keyboard warning... :-P18:29
diddledanthis case is too small: https://i.redd.it/71nt7zdd8yoy.png18:39
zmoylan-piline the rest with cardboard for your cats nuclear bunker...18:41
diddledanI've seen it all now: https://www.facebook.com/GameSpot/posts/1015855216072543619:02
zmoylan-piyou've had access to the internet for how many years now? :-P19:09
diddledanam I crazy to consider writing a FUSE applet?21:31
daftykinsthat hot plug file system handling malarkey?21:35
diddledanyup21:35
diddledanfilesystem in userspace21:35
daftykins"e" :D21:35
daftykinsmy cat Mischief is abusing a fly that flew in earlier today21:36
diddledan\o/21:36
diddledangotta love fly abuse21:36
daftykinsdoin' her job at last21:36
daftykinsdiddledan: oh i suppose you're still insider-ing but the new official build of 10 came out yesterday via the download tool21:38
diddledanyup21:38
daftykinsalready updated a couple of victims21:38
diddledandid they die?21:38
daftykinsnewp, all good - although the little things that get reset irritate mildly :P21:38
daftykinse.g. my mapped drives get renamed! gasp!21:38
brobostigon1or did they smef? :)21:39
daftykinswhat language is that? :D21:39
brobostigonsmef = spontanious massive existence failiure,21:39
brobostigondouglas adams/terry jones.21:40
diddledanoh no, not again21:40
brobostigon:)21:40
daftykinshow to not get anything done - https://www.dropbox.com/s/jlh6pujnlxws760/IMG_20170406_171201.jpg?dl=021:43
daftykinsthe two little terrorists followed me in the room21:43
diddledansleepy time methinks21:52
* diddledan knackered21:53
daftykinsg'night sir21:53

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