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wswartzendruberRest in Peace04:32
awhGutted by the news :( I've been using Unity for my primary desktop at home and work for the past two years, it has been solid09:22
awhYou did good work folks, thankyou!09:24
mzanettiawh: thank you11:22
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mixedCaseSo, would this be the channel to discuss about the Unity fork or is there another place for that?18:21
wswartzI believe the guy responsible for the community ports of Ubuntu Touch is resolute about a fork.18:30
wswartzAt least that's what Phoronix says.18:31
mixedCaseI'm not sure who's behind it but I'm interested. I asked one hour ago if this was the channel to talk about it but nobody answered.18:32
SaviqmixedCase, it's a channel as good as any, but note the #ubuntu- prefix - I don't think there's any channel agreed for the fork yet18:35
mixedCaseSaviq: Yep that's what I guessed :/18:37
mixedCaseIn any case, how many people in here are interested in continuing Unity in a separate direction?18:37
wswartzhttp://www.unity8.org/19:21
wswartzI have no idea who created it, but it's gotta be one of the fastest fork announcements ever.19:21
wswartzSince this is a community effort now, we need to come to consensus on project goals.19:22
mixedCaseIt's been up for a few hours, and I *just* got a reply from the contact address, the person behind the effort is John Salatas.19:22
wswartzI would start by asking him if he has solidified his main goals.19:23
mixedCaseAnd definitely, not a fan of mailing lists myself but that looks like the best option for communication.19:23
mixedCaseYep19:24
wswartzHas he commented to you about the Wayland issue?19:25
mixedCasePretty sure this is him, but no direct confirmation: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/63nb8p/despite_the_sad_news_for_me_personally_i_will/dfvjtif/?context=319:26
mixedCaseWhole thread makes for an interesting read.19:26
wswartzI've been going over it.19:33
wswartzI've never understood the hardware partner argument.  It's not like they have that many desktop partners.  And it's not like CyanogenMod had partners for the first several years.19:35
wswartzAnyway, forking Unity 8 is part of the battle.  The rest lies with creating a distro that will bundle all of this into a flashable image.19:36
mixedCaseHardware partners are vital for non-niche deployments. The overwhelming majority of people do not care about the software or the hardware independently, they care about a solution.19:36
mixedCaseSo there's a point there.19:36
wswartzDid the Ubuntu Touch store ever get from Clicks to Snaps?19:37
mixedCaseAs for the distro, I'd think it's best to leave that as an implementation detail and care about a modular environment that adapts to different conditions.19:37
mixedCasewswartz: Not sure.19:38
wswartzOf course.  I think Unity 8 and the distro should be two separate things.19:38
qumaki think blaming the hardware partners is premature, given that ubuntu touch still feels pretty beta to this day on hardware actually released for it (mx4 is my daily driver)19:39
mixedCaseEveryone gets a share of the blame, most hw partners have always been too thick-headed to get the OSS development model, and the software side has never put enough emphasis on getting a healthy developer ecosystem going; but with Mir out, that's one less roadblock.19:42
qumakhardware partners suck, for sure, they are the reason we are in this mess and that getting a floss phone is so hard19:45
wswartzWe shouldn't worry about getting a FOSS phone out.  We should worry about publishing flashable images.19:45
mixedCaseIt's my personal belief that Unity 8 could grow into a wonderful DE if it starts playing nice with the current ecosystem and taking Steve Ballmer's catchphrase to heart.19:45
mixedCaseGNOME has achieved a lot in that space by sheer accident, due to their GObject model sucking less than everything else out here.19:46
qumakbut when i switch to an app on my ubuntu mx4 i get a stale screenshot of what it looked like when last open and it takes like 5 seconds for the screen to refresh live and for buttons to work, so i understand if hardware partners are skeptical19:46
lpotterheh19:46
qumakwswartz: yes btw ubuntu touch store has both snaps and clics - https://uappexplorer.com/19:52
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