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wswartzendruber | Rest in Peace | 04:32 |
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awh | Gutted by the news :( I've been using Unity for my primary desktop at home and work for the past two years, it has been solid | 09:22 |
awh | You did good work folks, thankyou! | 09:24 |
mzanetti | awh: thank you | 11:22 |
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mixedCase | So, would this be the channel to discuss about the Unity fork or is there another place for that? | 18:21 |
wswartz | I believe the guy responsible for the community ports of Ubuntu Touch is resolute about a fork. | 18:30 |
wswartz | At least that's what Phoronix says. | 18:31 |
mixedCase | I'm not sure who's behind it but I'm interested. I asked one hour ago if this was the channel to talk about it but nobody answered. | 18:32 |
Saviq | mixedCase, it's a channel as good as any, but note the #ubuntu- prefix - I don't think there's any channel agreed for the fork yet | 18:35 |
mixedCase | Saviq: Yep that's what I guessed :/ | 18:37 |
mixedCase | In any case, how many people in here are interested in continuing Unity in a separate direction? | 18:37 |
wswartz | http://www.unity8.org/ | 19:21 |
wswartz | I have no idea who created it, but it's gotta be one of the fastest fork announcements ever. | 19:21 |
wswartz | Since this is a community effort now, we need to come to consensus on project goals. | 19:22 |
mixedCase | It's been up for a few hours, and I *just* got a reply from the contact address, the person behind the effort is John Salatas. | 19:22 |
wswartz | I would start by asking him if he has solidified his main goals. | 19:23 |
mixedCase | And definitely, not a fan of mailing lists myself but that looks like the best option for communication. | 19:23 |
mixedCase | Yep | 19:24 |
wswartz | Has he commented to you about the Wayland issue? | 19:25 |
mixedCase | Pretty sure this is him, but no direct confirmation: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/63nb8p/despite_the_sad_news_for_me_personally_i_will/dfvjtif/?context=3 | 19:26 |
mixedCase | Whole thread makes for an interesting read. | 19:26 |
wswartz | I've been going over it. | 19:33 |
wswartz | I've never understood the hardware partner argument. It's not like they have that many desktop partners. And it's not like CyanogenMod had partners for the first several years. | 19:35 |
wswartz | Anyway, forking Unity 8 is part of the battle. The rest lies with creating a distro that will bundle all of this into a flashable image. | 19:36 |
mixedCase | Hardware partners are vital for non-niche deployments. The overwhelming majority of people do not care about the software or the hardware independently, they care about a solution. | 19:36 |
mixedCase | So there's a point there. | 19:36 |
wswartz | Did the Ubuntu Touch store ever get from Clicks to Snaps? | 19:37 |
mixedCase | As for the distro, I'd think it's best to leave that as an implementation detail and care about a modular environment that adapts to different conditions. | 19:37 |
mixedCase | wswartz: Not sure. | 19:38 |
wswartz | Of course. I think Unity 8 and the distro should be two separate things. | 19:38 |
qumak | i think blaming the hardware partners is premature, given that ubuntu touch still feels pretty beta to this day on hardware actually released for it (mx4 is my daily driver) | 19:39 |
mixedCase | Everyone gets a share of the blame, most hw partners have always been too thick-headed to get the OSS development model, and the software side has never put enough emphasis on getting a healthy developer ecosystem going; but with Mir out, that's one less roadblock. | 19:42 |
qumak | hardware partners suck, for sure, they are the reason we are in this mess and that getting a floss phone is so hard | 19:45 |
wswartz | We shouldn't worry about getting a FOSS phone out. We should worry about publishing flashable images. | 19:45 |
mixedCase | It's my personal belief that Unity 8 could grow into a wonderful DE if it starts playing nice with the current ecosystem and taking Steve Ballmer's catchphrase to heart. | 19:45 |
mixedCase | GNOME has achieved a lot in that space by sheer accident, due to their GObject model sucking less than everything else out here. | 19:46 |
qumak | but when i switch to an app on my ubuntu mx4 i get a stale screenshot of what it looked like when last open and it takes like 5 seconds for the screen to refresh live and for buttons to work, so i understand if hardware partners are skeptical | 19:46 |
lpotter | heh | 19:46 |
qumak | wswartz: yes btw ubuntu touch store has both snaps and clics - https://uappexplorer.com/ | 19:52 |
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