| chesedo | morning all | 06:10 |
|---|---|---|
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:28 |
| nsnzero | morning all | 06:34 |
| nsnzero | i am just wondering if netgear router use a common command set like AT commands ? | 06:36 |
| andrewlsd | Morning all | 06:42 |
| nsnzero | good morning andrewlsd | 06:43 |
| andrewlsd | I've been watching Ars Technica, OMG Ubuntu and the Canonical blog. Wow. that was a big announcement. | 06:44 |
| nsnzero | what did i miss ? | 06:44 |
| andrewlsd | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity | 06:44 |
| andrewlsd | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ | 06:45 |
| andrewlsd | Unity 7 and Unity 8 + Mir, phone convergence all being canned. | 06:45 |
| andrewlsd | Focus will be IoT, embedded, snaps and server/cloud | 06:46 |
| andrewlsd | with Ubuntu desktop still being released but with Gnome3. | 06:46 |
| andrewlsd | not surprisingly, Canonical can't afford to keep spending money on stuff that isn't bringing a decent return on investment. | 06:48 |
| andrewlsd | I'm a bit disappointed, but I understand it. The irony for me, is that 16.04 is the first time I've actually enjoyed using Unity. :-P | 06:48 |
| nsnzero | they shouldnt waste time on the phone and tablets - android rules that roost for a long foreseeable future | 06:49 |
| andrewlsd | ... which I switched to when I installed 16.04 instead of LinuxMint. | 06:49 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: agreed, still feel a bit sad to see it. I was hoping for an open alternative. | 06:49 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: but I could also see that its time was running out. | 06:49 |
| nsnzero | i cant tell the difference between gnome and unity - both have the taskbars on top | 06:50 |
| * andrewlsd doesn't like header-bars. | 06:50 | |
| andrewlsd | ... but as always, that's a preference, and I could go to KDE/plasma if I wanted to | 06:51 |
| nsnzero | i was also keen on a linux tablet | 06:51 |
| nsnzero | nothing but kde for me | 06:52 |
| nsnzero | s many talented programmers in the gnu field but each with their own ideas and agendas - how great will it be if most of them worked on a single distro | 06:57 |
| MaNI | diversity is nice sometimes | 07:00 |
| MaNI | but the whole unity thing was very political/divisive and unnecessary IMO (ironic given the name) | 07:01 |
| nsnzero | hi MaNI - agreed | 07:05 |
| MaNI | that effort money poured into kde (or gnome even though I hate gnome) would certainly have been better for linux as a whole, but anyway these things happen sometimes | 07:08 |
| andrewlsd | MaNI: except pouring money into kde or gnome wouldn't necessarily have solved things either. Because you'd still have _my way_ issues. | 07:10 |
| andrewlsd | think about 3 "portable/full-contained" app solutions: AppImage; FlatPack; Snaps. | 07:11 |
| nsnzero | i am of the belief that is actually the apps that sell a product - take ms - its office and games that drives people to get it - time focus on needs and not add and hope its needed | 07:11 |
| MaNI | to an extent yeah, well assuming that unity was driven mostly by developers wanting to do their own thing and not by a funder with his own agenda | 07:12 |
| andrewlsd | IMHO, Gnome takes its direction from another large Linux company | 07:12 |
| MaNI | if the later then theres no reason to believe that the developers couldn't have cooperated without the funder pressuring them to do things a certain way :) | 07:12 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: +1, the unified appearance certainly helps. | 07:12 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: in using several apps, I meant. ie all apps behaving in a certain way. like Android or Apple or MS's design/UI/UX guidelines. | 07:14 |
| MaNI | apple or android are better examples, nobody follows the microsoft ones | 07:15 |
| MaNI | not even microsoft | 07:16 |
| nsnzero | 100% agree on that MaNI and andrewlsd | 07:21 |
| nsnzero | have a good day guys - chat later | 07:21 |
| andrewlsd | ciao | 07:28 |
| K_K_N | does anybody know why a printer will show up under lsusb then disappear after a while then appear again continues to do that? | 15:39 |
| K_K_N | is it the port, the cable, the printer or ubuntu? | 15:39 |
| K_K_N | ok for clarity, I plug the printer into usb port n laptop, go to terminal type lsusb and the printer shows up | 15:41 |
| K_K_N | I type lsusb again the printer is not there any more | 15:41 |
| K_K_N | I repeat a few times before its there again | 15:41 |
| K_K_N | sometimes every alternate lsusb command displays the printer | 15:42 |
| K_K_N | so I am not sure if its the printer, the cable, the laptop or maybe even ubuntu | 15:42 |
| K_K_N | any ideas? | 15:43 |
| MaNI | check dmesg for any clues | 16:03 |
| nsnzero | hi Kilos- | 17:17 |
| Kilos- | hi nsnzero snd others, bad head day but at least 2 scans done and next one at 7am tomorrow | 17:32 |
| nsnzero | hopefully everything goes well Kilos- | 17:33 |
| Kilos- | the scan lady says they seem clear but docs need to check | 17:33 |
| nsnzero | thats some good news Kilos- | 17:34 |
| Kilos- | yeah painful living on water | 17:34 |
| Kilos- | wbb | 17:34 |
| nsnzero | sorry kilos | 17:42 |
| nsnzero | but after tomorrow you can enjoy some good food | 17:43 |
| Kilos- | lol yeah back to normal again | 17:45 |
| Kilos- | hi superfly the new isotope seems to work better | 17:48 |
| Kilos- | they imposted it, apparently and older one they dont use anymore | 17:48 |
| Kilos- | imported | 17:48 |
| Kilos- | maybe old peeps need the old ones hehe | 17:49 |
| Kilos- | hi paddatrapper K_K_N MaNI smile etc etc | 17:49 |
| Kilos- | oh and inetpro | 17:50 |
| Kilos- | major storm in pretoria atm | 18:03 |
| nsnzero | got some welcome rain in durbs | 18:08 |
| Kilos- | hi zaki | 18:21 |
| paddatrapper | Hi oom Kilos- | 18:33 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:55 |
| inetpro | oh and hi to oom Kilos- as well | 18:55 |
| inetpro | wit funny tail and all | 18:55 |
| inetpro | with as well | 18:55 |
| Kilos- | lol | 19:05 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | got a meeting at midnight but i need to sleep now already | 19:05 |
| inetpro | Kilos: wow, you still attend those meetings? | 19:13 |
| inetpro | wb MaNI | 19:22 |
| MaNI | thanks | 19:23 |
| Kilos | when i can stay awake inetpro | 19:54 |
| Kilos | been hard of late but luckily not many new applicants | 19:54 |
| inetpro | tell the nurse to wake you up | 19:54 |
| inetpro | you still have two hours to sleep | 19:55 |
| Kilos | hahaha they wont because then the light will wake others | 19:55 |
| Kilos | so i have the small one above me on and hoping they dont complain | 19:58 |
| inetpro | ok, ask her nicely then man | 20:04 |
| K_K_N | hi Kilos | 20:18 |
| inetpro | good night | 21:19 |
| MaNI | all these protests are getting confusing, I can't pick which one to go to anymore and I don't know what to wear or where to park, we need better protest organizers :p | 21:40 |
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