[06:10] <chesedo> morning all
[06:28] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:34] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:36] <nsnzero> i am just wondering if netgear router use a common command set like AT commands ?
[06:42] <andrewlsd> Morning all
[06:43] <nsnzero> good morning andrewlsd 
[06:44] <andrewlsd> I've been watching Ars Technica, OMG Ubuntu and the Canonical blog. Wow. that was a big announcement.
[06:44] <nsnzero> what did i miss ?
[06:44] <andrewlsd> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity
[06:45] <andrewlsd> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/
[06:45] <andrewlsd> Unity 7 and Unity 8 + Mir, phone convergence all being canned.
[06:46] <andrewlsd> Focus will be IoT, embedded, snaps and server/cloud
[06:46] <andrewlsd> with Ubuntu desktop still being released but with Gnome3.
[06:48] <andrewlsd> not surprisingly, Canonical can't afford to keep spending money on stuff that isn't bringing a decent return on investment.
[06:48] <andrewlsd> I'm a bit disappointed, but I understand it.  The irony for me, is that 16.04 is the first time I've actually enjoyed using Unity. :-P
[06:49] <nsnzero> they shouldnt waste time on the phone and tablets - android rules that roost for a long foreseeable future 
[06:49] <andrewlsd> ... which I switched to when I installed 16.04 instead of LinuxMint.
[06:49] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: agreed, still feel a bit sad to see it. I was hoping for an open alternative.
[06:49] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: but I could also see that its time was running out.
[06:50] <nsnzero> i cant tell the difference between gnome and unity - both have the taskbars on top 
[06:50]  * andrewlsd doesn't like header-bars.
[06:51] <andrewlsd> ... but as always, that's a preference, and I could go to KDE/plasma if I wanted to
[06:51] <nsnzero> i was also keen on a linux tablet 
[06:52] <nsnzero> nothing but kde for me 
[06:57] <nsnzero> s many talented programmers in the gnu field but each with their own ideas and agendas - how great will it be if most of them worked on a single distro 
[07:00] <MaNI> diversity is nice sometimes
[07:01] <MaNI> but the whole unity thing was very political/divisive and unnecessary IMO (ironic given the name)
[07:05] <nsnzero> hi MaNI - agreed 
[07:08] <MaNI> that effort money poured into kde (or gnome even though I hate gnome) would certainly have been better for linux as a whole, but anyway these things happen sometimes
[07:10] <andrewlsd> MaNI: except pouring money into kde or gnome wouldn't necessarily have solved things either.  Because you'd still have _my way_  issues.
[07:11] <andrewlsd> think about 3 "portable/full-contained" app solutions: AppImage; FlatPack; Snaps.
[07:11] <nsnzero> i am of the belief that is actually the apps that sell a product -  take ms - its office and games that drives people to get it - time focus on needs and not add and hope its needed 
[07:12] <MaNI> to an extent yeah, well assuming that unity was driven mostly by developers wanting to do their own thing and not by a funder with his own agenda
[07:12] <andrewlsd> IMHO, Gnome takes its direction from another large Linux company
[07:12] <MaNI> if the later then theres no reason to believe that the developers couldn't have cooperated without the funder pressuring them to do things a certain way :)
[07:12] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: +1, the unified appearance certainly helps.
[07:14] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: in using several apps, I meant. ie all apps behaving in a certain way. like Android or Apple or MS's design/UI/UX guidelines.
[07:15] <MaNI> apple or android are better examples, nobody follows the microsoft ones
[07:16] <MaNI> not even microsoft
[07:21] <nsnzero> 100% agree on that MaNI and andrewlsd 
[07:21] <nsnzero> have a good day guys - chat later 
[07:28] <andrewlsd> ciao
[15:39] <K_K_N> does anybody know why a printer will show up under lsusb then disappear after a while then appear again continues to do that?
[15:39] <K_K_N> is it the port, the cable, the printer or ubuntu?
[15:41] <K_K_N> ok for clarity, I plug the printer into usb port n laptop, go to terminal type lsusb and the printer shows up
[15:41] <K_K_N> I type lsusb again the printer is not there any more
[15:41] <K_K_N> I repeat a few times before its there again
[15:42] <K_K_N> sometimes every alternate lsusb command displays the printer
[15:42] <K_K_N> so I am not sure if its the printer, the cable, the laptop or maybe even ubuntu
[15:43] <K_K_N> any ideas?
[16:03] <MaNI> check dmesg for any clues
[17:17] <nsnzero> hi Kilos- 
[17:32] <Kilos-> hi nsnzero snd others, bad head day but at least 2 scans done and next one at 7am tomorrow
[17:33] <nsnzero> hopefully everything goes well Kilos- 
[17:33] <Kilos-> the scan lady says they seem clear but docs need to check 
[17:34] <nsnzero> thats some good news Kilos- 
[17:34] <Kilos-> yeah painful living on water
[17:34] <Kilos-> wbb
[17:42] <nsnzero> sorry kilos
[17:43] <nsnzero> but after tomorrow you can enjoy some good food
[17:45] <Kilos-> lol yeah back to normal again
[17:48] <Kilos-> hi superfly the new isotope seems to work better
[17:48] <Kilos-> they imposted it, apparently and older one they dont use anymore
[17:48] <Kilos-> imported
[17:49] <Kilos-> maybe old peeps need the old ones hehe
[17:49] <Kilos-> hi paddatrapper K_K_N MaNI smile etc etc
[17:50] <Kilos-> oh and inetpro
[18:03] <Kilos-> major storm in pretoria atm
[18:08] <nsnzero> got some welcome rain in durbs 
[18:21] <Kilos-> hi zaki 
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Hi oom Kilos-
[18:55] <inetpro> good evening
[18:55] <inetpro> oh and hi to oom Kilos- as well
[18:55] <inetpro> wit funny tail and all
[18:55] <inetpro> with as well
[19:05] <Kilos-> lol
[19:05] <Kilos> got a meeting at midnight but i need to sleep now already
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: wow, you still attend those meetings?
[19:22] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[19:23] <MaNI> thanks
[19:54] <Kilos> when i can stay awake inetpro 
[19:54] <Kilos> been hard of late but luckily not many new applicants
[19:54] <inetpro> tell the nurse to wake you up
[19:55] <inetpro> you still have two hours to sleep
[19:55] <Kilos> hahaha they wont because then the light will wake others
[19:58] <Kilos> so i have the small one above me on and hoping they dont complain
[20:04] <inetpro> ok, ask her nicely then man
[20:18] <K_K_N> hi Kilos 
[21:19] <inetpro> good night
[21:40] <MaNI> all these protests are getting confusing, I can't pick which one to go to anymore and I don't know what to wear or where to park, we need better protest organizers :p