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[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
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[12:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:17] <clivejo> tsimonq2: are you intending to work on this - https://trello.com/c/ye9mKiuy ?
 @clivejo, Not at the moment.
[13:19] <clivejo> DarinMiller_: would this be something you would be happy to work on?
 Hey everyone.
[14:43] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
 I apologize for not being around much. I am watching the logs but am in the process of moving.
 I lose PC access tonight and don't expect to have it back until Monday.
[14:45] <clivejo> no problem
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[14:45] <clivejo> I should go and mow the orchard!
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[14:46] <acheronuk> clivejo: lol. makes me laugh when you say that!
[14:46] <clivejo> why?!
[14:47] <clivejo> getting my eyes poked out by trees?
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[14:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. most people have a small bit of lawn. many not even that.
[14:49] <acheronuk> going off to 'mow the orchard' just sounds bizarre 
[14:49] <clivejo> ok, Im off to mow the lawn with lots of trees in it
[14:50] <clivejo> that better?
[14:50] <clivejo> obstacle course
[14:50] <mparillo> I saw an e-mail from Walter last night about a release candidate possibly today, which is getting late afternoon in Europe. Anybody know more?
[14:52] <acheronuk> mparillo: release team email.... lemme find it
[14:52] <acheronuk> mparillo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001209.html
[14:53] <acheronuk> "We will shut down cronjobs and spin some RC images late Friday or early
[14:53] <acheronuk> Saturday once the archive and proposed-migration have settled a bit,
[14:53] <acheronuk> and we expect everyone with a vested interest in a flavour (or two) and
[14:53] <acheronuk> a few spare hours here and there to get to testing to make sure we have
[14:53] <acheronuk> another uneventful release next week."
[14:54] <acheronuk> clivejo: LOL
[15:02] <mparillo> TY. I zsynced today, so I expect the final zsync will be quick.
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[20:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Clive Johnston: Add elisa
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[20:57] <llucas> hi all, I am just trying the latest daily iso and have a few questions
[20:57] <llucas> or observations to be more precise 
[20:57] <clivejo> hi llucas
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[21:02] <llucas> get hot new stuff does not work I get this error http://imgur.com/a/liOQT
[21:02] <llucas> hi clivejo
[21:04] <llucas> why are you ship kde telepathy by default?
[21:04] <llucas> it is not even maintained anymore
[21:05] <llucas> and most accounts can't be configured anyway 
[21:06] <tsimonq2> llucas: We've been doing a bit of an analysis of programs we include by default anyways.
[21:08] <llucas> and why kaoragnizer daemon is running by default? mysqld procces consumes almost 150 mb of ram
[21:09] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: You have an idea? ^
[21:10] <clivejo> llucas: had you an internet connect when you opened that?
[21:10] <llucas> yes
[21:11] <acheronuk> korganiser daemon we are setting not to autostart by default in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/1:17.04ubuntu6
[21:12] <clivejo> llucas: this is what I see - http://imgur.com/a/HxNML
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[21:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Rik Mills: add latte-dock
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[21:12] <llucas> clivejo hmm interesting
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[21:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: you are on git master though. I bet they have moved the url or changed the api again?
[21:13] <llucas> I am using the lates daily iso btw
[21:13] <clivejo> acheronuk: possible!
[21:13] <clivejo> can you check?
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[21:14] <acheronuk> seems ok here on my zesty
[21:14] <clivejo> looks like no internet connection to me
[21:15] <acheronuk> took a long while to get the data though. maybe some time out issues?
[21:15] <clivejo> llucas: is it VM or real hardware?
[21:15] <llucas> real hardware, running from usb stick right now 
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[21:16] <llucas> clivejo I just tried other items from kde store
[21:16] <llucas> hmm seems to wotk now
[21:17] <llucas> false alarm
[21:17] <acheronuk> it's never been the most reliable thing ever
[21:17] <llucas> probably some kde store server issue 
[21:18] <clivejo> I got a few kde store time outs earlier
[21:19] <llucas> btw why mysqld process is running by default?
[21:19] <clivejo> probably triggered by akonadi
[21:20] <clivejo> which was triggered by korg daemon autostarting
[21:20] <clivejo> we have uploaded a patch to disable that by default
[21:20] <acheronuk> llucas: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/1:17.04ubuntu6
[21:20] <acheronuk> waiting to land from -proposed
[21:20] <acheronuk> hopefully on the RC iso
[21:21] <clivejo> many thanks to the famous Rik Mills, who ever he is!
[21:21] <acheronuk> never heard of him
[21:21] <llucas> ok thanks for an explanation
[21:22] <clivejo> how are you finding it bar those issues?
[21:22] <llucas> ?
[21:23] <clivejo> sorry, bar the issues you have reported above, how is the rest of the testing going?
[21:24] <llucas> discover hanged after installing updates
[21:24] <llucas> but well this is rather normall
[21:24] <clivejo> I have that as well
[21:25] <clivejo> but as noone else had it I thought it was just my "unstable" system
[21:26] <llucas> the biggest problem with discover is the fact it uses packagekit as a backend
[21:27] <clivejo> can you check Muon?
[21:28] <llucas> does muon has an appstream icon?
[21:30] <clivejo> no, but we added a few tweaks to it yesterday
[21:30] <llucas> either way it does not show in menu after installing
[21:31] <clivejo> llucas: do you get a Segmentation fault when you exit discover?
[21:32] <llucas> nah only a message that discover window was not responding 
[21:32] <clivejo> thats the same as mine
[21:32]  * ahoneybun has 517 updates on his laptop
[21:33]  * acheronuk watches latte-dock build on KCI
[21:33] <ahoneybun> I don't have it on my laptop tho
[21:33] <clivejo> when I run it from terminal, I get Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:33] <clivejo> llucas: what GPU have you?
[21:34] <llucas> nvidia
[21:34] <llucas>  geforce gt 640
[21:35] <clivejo> open source or propriety drivers?
[21:35] <llucas> open
[21:36] <clivejo> would you mind doing a test?
[21:36] <llucas> hmm it depends ;) how long its going to take
[21:36] <llucas> ?
[21:36] <clivejo> LOL I have no idea
[21:37] <llucas> ok what should i do?
[21:37] <clivejo> just wanting to know if the kubuntu driver manager detects the hardware and offers to install the driver
[21:37] <llucas> sure no problem
[21:40] <llucas> yeah it offers installing some drivers
[21:40] <acheronuk> :)
[21:40] <ahoneybun> so no inifinte loop?
[21:40] <llucas> hmm no
[21:41] <acheronuk> :)^2
[21:41]  * clivejo dances
[21:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_elisa build #2: STILL UNSTABLE in 17 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_elisa/2/
[21:43] <llucas> however it takes about 20 seconds to collect information about my system
[21:43] <clivejo> thanks for that llucas
[21:43] <llucas> meh no problem
[21:44] <clivejo> do you use Kubuntu as your daily driver, or just testing it out?
[21:45] <llucas> nope just testing it, I am mostly on neon git unstable
[21:46] <clivejo> you like the latest stuff then?
[21:46] <llucas> yep
[21:46] <acheronuk> uh oh........
[21:46] <clivejo> you should try KCI unstable then :)
[21:46]  * clivejo kicks acheronuk
[21:47] <llucas> who knows maybe sometime in the future
[21:48] <clivejo> KCI = Kubuntu Continuous Integration   
[21:48] <clivejo> KDE neon and KCI are brothers :)
[21:50] <clivejo> but where neon builds on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, KCI is building on 16.04 and 17.04
[21:50] <llucas> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/ guess who amde that video ;p
[21:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_elisa build #2: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_elisa/2/
[21:51] <clivejo> you?
[21:51] <wxl> OMG WTH THERE"S A VIM MODE IN KATE THIS IS THE BEST PROGRAM EVER HOLY CRAP
[21:51] <llucas> yep, long before I started doing plasma promo videos
[21:52] <clivejo> would you do one for Zesty?
 Yep wxl
[21:52] <wxl> is there autosave tho?
 @wxl, It's annoying when you just need a simple GUI editor and don't want Vim at the moment.
[21:54] <clivejo> llucas: would you do one for Zesty?
[21:54] <llucas> clivejo sorry to late I am afraid 
[21:54] <clivejo> too late at night, or too late in general?
[21:55] <llucas> to late in release cycle
[21:56] <clivejo> go until the 13th :P
[21:56] <clivejo> plenty of time
[21:56] <clivejo> llucas: do you know anyone else would be up for doing it?
[21:57] <llucas> heh less than week
[21:57] <llucas> no sorry
[21:58] <llucas> and do not get me wrong guys you should really rethink some of your application choices 
[21:58] <clivejo> llucas: aww thats a shame
[22:00] <clivejo> llucas: which choices?
[22:01] <llucas> well kde telepathy is unmaintained and so is amarok
 Amarok stays
 It works
[22:03] <llucas> ahoneybun well however it will probably will be removed from kde application 17.08 
[22:03] <ahoneybun> llucas: there is no current replacement
[22:03] <ahoneybun> that works
[22:03] <ahoneybun> well not in the archives anyway
[22:04] <llucas> Cantata?
[22:05] <ahoneybun> !info cantata
[22:05] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:05] <clivejo> llucas: its been removed from KDE Applications for some time
[22:05] <clivejo> https://download.kde.org/stable/amarok/
[22:06] <ahoneybun> looks even worse then amarok
[22:06] <llucas> clivejo yeah right my bad
[22:07] <clivejo> but if it isn't maintained, and it breaks, then we might have no choice to drop it
[22:07] <ahoneybun> if we can get Babe in 
[22:07] <ahoneybun> but we need 5.8 in first
[22:07] <ahoneybun> Qt
[22:08] <clivejo> and hope someone ports amarok to kf5
[22:09] <acheronuk> Elisa may get there as well
[22:09] <clivejo> elisa needs baloo
[22:09]  * clivejo is not liking that 
[22:09] <ahoneybun> either Elisa or Babe we need to get them in the archive first
[22:09] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: sounds like we are going to skip 5.8 and go straight to 5.9
[22:09] <ahoneybun> or ship them as a snap
[22:09] <ahoneybun> which sounds cool
[22:10] <clivejo> ahoneybun: do you know anyone could do a Zesty intro like llucas made?
[22:10] <ahoneybun> I could *try*
[22:11] <clivejo> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I saw the link
[22:11] <clivejo> would be great to have that for Zesty launch
[22:12] <ahoneybun> llucas: did you do that in kdenlive?
[22:13] <llucas> nope in blender
[22:13] <ahoneybun> damn
[22:13] <ahoneybun> blender is too crazy
[22:16] <llucas> however kdenlive should be more than ok for a simple video
[22:16] <ahoneybun> yea I'll look at it once I get home
[22:16] <ahoneybun> at a coffeeshop on my laptop
[22:26] <llucas> btw guys it is me or kworker process is using 100% one of my cores
[22:27] <clivejo> what is it doing?
[22:27] <llucas> yeah now I remember I got the same issue on neon
[22:27] <clivejo> do you know what is causing it?
[22:27] <llucas> some kernel bug I suppose 
[22:28] <llucas> acpi=off helped me on neon
[22:32] <llucas> speaking about kde telepathy I suggest remove it completely or just disable it from autostart, something to think for 17.10
[22:33] <clivejo> autostart?
 Not sure why it's an issue since it works
[22:33] <llucas> what works?
[22:34] <llucas> kde telepathy?
 Yep
[22:35] <llucas> nope it doesnt :)
[22:35] <llucas> just tried wit telegram
 It does with google
[22:35] <clivejo> thats a bit of a sore subject
 Plus we have the telegram snap anyway
[22:36] <llucas> This IM Account cannot be created - a Telepathy Connection Manager named 'morse' is missing
[22:36] <llucas> the same with skype
 That's more of an Ubuntu issue not telepathy
[22:37] <clivejo> the morse devel stopped using the KDE git
[22:37] <clivejo> I packaged the latest version and found some bugs
[22:39] <llucas> either way users will blame distro, sad but true :(
[22:39] <clivejo> and then the freeze came and I dropped it
[22:42] <llucas> btw is dragon player maintained?
[22:42] <clivejo> reminds me, I need to add that to KCI
[22:42] <clivejo> and hopefully backport morse
 Yep
[22:43] <clivejo> https://download.kde.org/stable/applications/16.12.3/src/dragon-16.12.3.tar.xz
[22:44] <clivejo> llucas: part of KDE Apps
[22:44] <llucas> heh can't even play simple avi file
[22:46] <llucas> guys have you asked your users what they think about default selection of apps?
[22:46] <valorie> these projects all lack maintainers
[22:47] <valorie> we (as in the KDE community) need to do a better job of advertising for maintainers
[22:48] <ahoneybun> llucas: they are welcomed to come in here and talk about it
[22:49] <llucas> valorie yeah this known problem
[22:49] <llucas> is
[22:50] <clivejo> what do you define as default apps?
[22:50] <llucas> the one shipped by distro by default? 
[22:50] <valorie> I would say what is on the ISO
[22:50] <clivejo> as in on the iso, in the archive?
[22:53] <llucas> hmm iso the one used for installing on hard drive 
[22:54] <valorie> yup
[22:54] -KubuntuManual:#kubuntu-devel- [kubuntu-manual] ahoneybun pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vSrPt
[22:54] -KubuntuManual:#kubuntu-devel- kubuntu-manual/master dabf93b Aaron Honeycutt: change Muon Update Manager to Discover now
[22:57] <ahoneybun> talk about a drive by
[22:58] <valorie> hmmm, need to restart so I thought I would update && full-upgrade
[22:58] <valorie> for the past few weeks I get: 
[22:58] <valorie> The following packages have been kept back:
[22:58] <valorie>   kde-runtime kde-runtime-data plasma-scriptengine-javascript                                                                                                                               
[22:58] <valorie> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.   
[22:58] <llucas> I suggest some survey on kde reedit or r/kubuntu just to collect some basic info about what apps kubuntu users prefer 
[22:58] <valorie> zesty
[22:58] <valorie> any thoughts?
[22:58] <llucas> just saying
[22:59] <valorie> llucas: it's an idea, but it only gets redditers
[22:59] <ahoneybun> twitter or google+
[22:59] <valorie> I dunno any way to get a slice of our userbase
[22:59] <ahoneybun> we have a community on G+
[22:59] <llucas> what about planet kde?
[22:59] <valorie> all of these are good, and get our hard-core fans
[23:00] <valorie> and maybe that's the important part
[23:00] <clivejo> unfortunately its too late for zesty 
[23:00] <valorie> it's too late to change all that for this release
[23:00] <llucas> sure
[23:00] <valorie> but we should do it before the LTS for sure
[23:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: can you go tho the manual on github and check if I'm missing anything
[23:00] <ahoneybun> or if we should add something
[23:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: I don't have a github account
[23:00] <llucas> something to think for future releases 
[23:01] <valorie> and was just about to head outside
[23:01] <clivejo> llucas: but tell us what you think defaults should be and what should be dropped?
[23:01] <valorie> but I can do it later
[23:01] <ahoneybun> valorie: don't matter
[23:01] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[23:01] <valorie> thanks
[23:01] <ahoneybun> you can still go tho it all
[23:01] <ahoneybun> just not send any PRs
[23:02] <valorie> anyway, restarting and then going away for awhile
[23:03] -KubuntuManual:#kubuntu-devel- [kubuntu-manual] ahoneybun pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vSrP9
[23:03] -KubuntuManual:#kubuntu-devel- kubuntu-manual/master 6c0d642 Aaron Honeycutt: update license version
[23:03] <llucas> clivejo while i am somewhat involved in kde promo it is up to you and your users to make a decision 
[23:04] <clivejo> not up to me!
[23:06] <llucas> you as kubuntu developers ;)
[23:07] <ahoneybun> developer =/ users
[23:09] <llucas> heh yes developers decide however it is good to know what your user base thinks ;)
[23:09] <clivejo> but how do we get that feedback
[23:09] <ahoneybun> well developer use cases are a lot different then users
[23:09] <wxl> s/(users|developers)/community/
[23:09] <valorie> we need a promo person for sure
[23:09] <clivejo> my problem is the amount of bike shedding people do
[23:10] <clivejo> everyone has has an opinion
[23:10]  * ahoneybun needs access to the twitter
[23:10] <ahoneybun> also don't think I'm admin on the G+ community
[23:11] <clivejo> ahoneybun: I think ovidiuflorin should be able to sort that for you
[23:11] <ahoneybun> yea I know he has it