| KristijanZic | good news, Unity8: https://plus.google.com/110699558853693437587/posts/gUB2xRn2Dyu | 00:43 |
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| OerHeks | yay, next to https://github.com/unity8org/unity8org now also https://unity.ubports.com/ | 00:44 |
| OerHeks | people need choise | 00:45 |
| OerHeks | be smart, register unity9 now! | 00:45 |
| xangua | Fork? New Ubuntu flavor? | 00:46 |
| KristijanZic | OerHeks: hah, it's taken at least the .com one, .org still free | 00:47 |
| OerHeks | smells like it | 00:47 |
| Bashing-om | Baaacckkk . refreshed to the point I can carry on :) | 01:03 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 01:04 |
| Bashing-om | Here I go again, see what happens :P | 01:06 |
| acheron-a | hello Bashing-om | 01:12 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Hey hey .. what it be ?? | 01:20 |
| acheron-a | its all good | 01:20 |
| daftykins | i best sleep, g'night folks | 01:21 |
| acheron-a | g'nite | 01:21 |
| Bashing-om | Just heard on TV that our president has ordered retalitory strike on Syria .. wow ! | 01:22 |
| Bashing-om | nite daftykins Sleep well my friend . | 01:23 |
| OerHeks | Bashing-om, i read the Russians knew, so it is oke... maybe | 02:14 |
| OerHeks | now is certainly a turningpoint. | 02:15 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: Yeah .. just wonder what prompts the US escalation of the military presence in Syria . A change from the Obamma administration's position . | 02:22 |
| OerHeks | i focus on NKorea too.. | 02:23 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: There is that fact too - A stiff warning that Trump will take no flack ( as he formerly did warn) . | 02:28 |
| OerHeks | now he striked, on behalve of the children, why does USA not ratify the UN childrens rights? | 02:30 |
| OerHeks | pom-ie-pom | 02:30 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: Uh HUh .. there is that .. children should be raised not exploited - we live in a total world environment . Our children are are what will be . | 02:33 |
| OerHeks | and the real war is in a totally different place, 5600 miles east .. = Fukushima Daiichi | 02:37 |
| Bashing-om | World politics .. jockying for control of resources . Greedy men ! | 02:41 |
| OerHeks | one needs to learn 20 years before being productive for 20 years. then the warrenty is over :-D | 02:44 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: Truth ! I often look back at that 20 year old - 40 years later .. the things I would do different ! | 02:48 |
| platzhirsch | Is there a lighter Gnome theme | 03:59 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:02 |
| alkisg | Hi all! | 05:03 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: \o - shift change time :) | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hey alkisg & Bashing-om | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | what you guys think of the unity vanish? | 05:04 |
| alkisg | Greatest news ever! | 05:04 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:04 |
| lotuspsychje | you like gnome alkisg ? | 05:04 |
| alkisg | Now if only MATE switched to supporting gnome-flashback instead :D | 05:04 |
| alkisg | My requirement is simple: I need something that runs on pentium 4's | 05:05 |
| alkisg | That essentially means 1 GB RAM and no 3D | 05:05 |
| alkisg | So... we've been using gnome-flashback, and switched to mate for 16.04 | 05:05 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: I never was a big fan of unity - though I can use it . I like KISS . | 05:05 |
| lotuspsychje | so what about the ubuntu touch phones? | 05:06 |
| alkisg | Having a lot of DEs means we waste a whole lot of time just making sure our apps run everywhere, instead of adding new features etc. I don't like that part of the linux ecosystem. | 05:06 |
| alkisg | I don't think canonical is big enough to hope to have a market share in phones... | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | alkisg: but canonical started unity, then mark said to leave the user the choice on unity7 or 8, now they purge it? | 05:07 |
| alkisg | They start a lot of things trying to make money, and abandon them if they don't make money | 05:08 |
| alkisg | That's how companies work | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | right, i understand that | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | still, theirs a whole community to disagree now | 05:08 |
| alkisg | The problem is that users, applications developers, sysadmins etc have to switch apps, init systems etc all the time | 05:09 |
| alkisg | Nah I'm fine with upstart, bzr, unity, software-center etc all dying :D | 05:09 |
| alkisg | Application development isn't what canonical does best | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | well im surely curious on 18.04 now | 05:09 |
| alkisg | That'll mostly be ubuntu-gnome, right? | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | alkisg: you think it will be vanilla or tuned? | 05:10 |
| alkisg | I really hope it'll be debian with just an ubuntu font and theme, but I doubt they'll make me happy :( | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | heh | 05:11 |
| alkisg | My dream is for debian to fix their feature freeze dates at the same time as ubuntu, so that most apps will be exactly the same | 05:11 |
| lotuspsychje | sounds good idea | 05:11 |
| alkisg | And then LTS releases .1 to .5 will be just syncs from debian | 05:11 |
| xangua | Didn't canonical suggested that too Debian and they say no? | 05:12 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: I been watching on #ubuntu-release, and the talk is to remove upstart in 17.04 . will be interesting to see the difference vetween an upgraded 17.04 and a fresh install, if that happens . | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: is that the channel where new packages spam? | 05:13 |
| alkisg | xangua: dunno, but if so, I'd like to read the reasoning behind their refusal | 05:15 |
| alkisg | Debian could still "release when it's ready"; I was only talking about the freeze date. Where's the harm in having a predictable freeze? | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | alkisg: can you find something here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/ForDebianDevelopers | 05:17 |
| xangua | alkisg: because when it's ready? | 05:17 |
| xangua | Well it was more like canonical suggested Debian to release a new version every two years... So they could sync it with the LTS | 05:18 |
| alkisg | That won't work | 05:19 |
| alkisg | Because they have specific methodology about RC bugs etc | 05:19 |
| alkisg | But I haven't heard of anything opposing to fixed freeze dates | 05:19 |
| alkisg | With specific freeze dates, it would be ubuntu helping debian with rc bugs squashing, ie the opposite | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/unity-8-now-has-a-new-home-over-at-ubports-development-will-start-very-soon-514663.shtml | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/red-hat-and-fedora-teams-welcome-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland-with-open-arms-514661.shtml | 05:21 |
| alkisg | "...and hopefully Flatpak," ==> yeah that too; snappy is just another 5 years of wasted development power | 05:23 |
| Bashing-om | me eyes are crossing . time to back out of here . G nite o/ | 05:25 |
| lotuspsychje | morning kostkon | 05:30 |
| kostkon | Hey, good morning | 05:35 |
| ducasse | moring all | 06:18 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:20 |
| ducasse | \o | 06:21 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse, how are you? | 06:22 |
| ducasse | ok thanks, and you? gotten your coffee yet? | 06:22 |
| lordievader | Indeed. | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse & lordievader | 06:25 |
| ducasse | morning lotus, how are you? | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | great here | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | day off movie day here | 06:26 |
| ducasse | nice, what are you going to watch? | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: belgian movie the premier | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: and fifty shades darker | 06:27 |
| lordievader | Hey lotuspsychje | 06:28 |
| lordievader | Ha, Fifty Shades | 06:28 |
| lordievader | Enjoy :P | 06:28 |
| ducasse | i'm guessing you were not the one who chose fifty shades... ;) | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure it will be good | 06:29 |
| ducasse | it very likely won't :) | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: we both liked the first one | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | and my gf read the books | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | any other movies you guys reccomend? | 06:31 |
| ducasse | well, hope you enjoy noth films :) | 06:31 |
| ducasse | i'm waiting for the new alien movie | 06:31 |
| lotuspsychje | is there? | 06:31 |
| ducasse | in may, i think | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 06:32 |
| ducasse | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/?ref_=nv_sr_1 | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | trailer looking good ducasse | 06:34 |
| ducasse | aiui, this one and one more was always planned. in the last one the aliens will arrive at earth >:-) | 06:34 |
| ducasse | i hope they make that one as well :) | 06:34 |
| lordievader | The new Alien looks very good :) | 06:36 |
| lordievader | I'm also waiting for the remake of IT. | 06:36 |
| lordievader | Trailer was pretty good. | 06:36 |
| ducasse | the alien monster is my personal favorite movie monster, i can't wait for this one. 'it' i'm not sure about, but i'll probably still see it. i expect it won't be as long as the original? | 06:45 |
| lordievader | Hope not | 06:47 |
| lordievader | I still find the way the Alien was filmed in the first movie quite well done. You never see the creature full in frame. | 06:47 |
| lordievader | Things really went downhill with alien 3... | 06:48 |
| lotuspsychje | i still have nightmares of playing doom3 | 06:49 |
| lotuspsychje | aliens jumping out the ceiling | 06:49 |
| ducasse | the first is a classic, two is ok and then... three is better than four, though, so if they keep to the formula the new one will be atrocious ;) | 06:52 |
| lordievader | Nah, I'm hoping for one as good as the first ;) | 06:53 |
| lordievader | Oeh, I'm also waiting for the sequel to Blade Runner :) | 06:54 |
| ducasse | me too, but _very_ nervous about it. | 06:54 |
| ducasse | also, the dark tower is expected this year, right? they _can't_ screw that up, but i'm afraid they already have. | 06:55 |
| lordievader | Dark Tower? | 06:56 |
| * lordievader heads to Google. | 06:56 | |
| ducasse | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1648190/?ref_=nv_sr_1 | 06:57 |
| ducasse | based on the book series by stephen king, which i _love_. | 06:58 |
| lordievader | Looks interesting | 06:59 |
| ducasse | i'm a big fan of the book series, but making a single movie out of them is hopeless. | 07:00 |
| lordievader | That is usually the case ;) | 07:01 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl breakfast | 07:03 |
| ducasse | there were originally seven books, each about 500 pages, written over thirty years or so. hard to squeeze that into two hours. i've read a little about it, which seemed to indicate they were going to focus on parts of the books i didn't even like, so i'm concerned :) | 07:04 |
| lordievader | Eet ze | 07:04 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx lordievader | 07:04 |
| ducasse | enjoy | 07:04 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 07:04 |
| lotuspsychje | !info gnome-games-app | 08:49 |
| ubot5 | Package gnome-games-app does not exist in xenial | 08:50 |
| * lotuspsychje is idling in #ubuntu-release | 08:51 | |
| lotuspsychje | !info retro-gtk zesty | 09:18 |
| ubot5 | Package retro-gtk does not exist in zesty | 09:19 |
| lotuspsychje | morning brunch875 | 09:22 |
| brunch875 | hayo lotuspsychje | 09:22 |
| brunch875 | I see a lot of people panicking at the end of the mir-project | 09:26 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: where? | 09:26 |
| brunch875 | abandoning ship out of the blue as if ubuntu itself is going down | 09:26 |
| brunch875 | drama queens! | 09:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 09:26 |
| brunch875 | I hope I'm not doing the same with the phone | 09:26 |
| lotuspsychje | i want ubuntu-touch to continue also | 09:27 |
| lotuspsychje | i hope the team finds a way to install on every mobile | 09:27 |
| brunch875 | Indeed... but I have to admit I have mixed feelings about it | 09:27 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: i think the devs did a great job already with so many devices | 09:29 |
| lotuspsychje | made a big impact in my opinion | 09:29 |
| brunch875 | lotuspsychje: I couldn't agree more, ubuntu touch is magnificent | 09:30 |
| brunch875 | I was really excited to see convergence happening | 09:30 |
| brunch875 | but I'm not sure how much power the guys at UB will pull | 09:30 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: well from the start, i really hoped i could have a tablet/phone with a terminal to work with, just as the desktop | 09:31 |
| brunch875 | my phone saved my ass when my laptop died | 09:31 |
| lotuspsychje | too bad they locked that from the start | 09:32 |
| brunch875 | the raspberry pi didn't have nearly enough power | 09:32 |
| brunch875 | I wonder if easing a bit on confinement would've made the project more viable now | 09:33 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: i also think so... | 09:33 |
| brunch875 | it's just the whole app lifecycle and confinement... | 09:33 |
| lotuspsychje | thats what i said in ubuntu-touch yesterday | 09:33 |
| brunch875 | I wonder if they decided to shut it down because confinement was really getting in the way of the desktop | 09:33 |
| lotuspsychje | you can invent something, then take it away..the spirit will continue | 09:33 |
| lotuspsychje | cant | 09:34 |
| lotuspsychje | its a matter of time some brand will choose linux on mobile | 09:34 |
| brunch875 | hard to tell | 09:35 |
| brunch875 | android is linux after all | 09:35 |
| lotuspsychje | i hear the new samsung s8 got convergence now? | 09:35 |
| lotuspsychje | the world is ready for all new ideas & brainstorm | 09:36 |
| brunch875 | pff nah... whenever they pull out "convergence" it's just a wannabe layer | 09:36 |
| brunch875 | ubuntu was the closest to convergence | 09:36 |
| lotuspsychje | indeed | 09:36 |
| lotuspsychje | i think we aint seen nothing yet | 09:36 |
| brunch875 | I would personally scavenge the whole unity8 interfaces | 09:37 |
| brunch875 | get rid of all confinement | 09:37 |
| brunch875 | and have vanilla ubuntu run on the phone | 09:37 |
| lotuspsychje | that would be so nice | 09:38 |
| brunch875 | surely it won't be as secure to have applications peer on each other | 09:38 |
| brunch875 | but that's what the desktop has anyway | 09:38 |
| brunch875 | then give the option to install applications with snappy and be done with it | 09:38 |
| brunch875 | unfortunately there's still the whole situation with the linux kernel + drivers | 09:39 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 09:39 |
| brunch875 | I guess that's what sailfish is doing, right? | 09:40 |
| brunch875 | I wonder if the guys at UBports will follow this route | 09:40 |
| brunch875 | it would be what I'd do myself | 09:40 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure... | 09:40 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_mobile_devices | 09:44 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: "run on all devices" is an impossibly wide criteria, unfortunately. there's a zillion android devices with different hw in them, many need proprietary modules. | 09:45 |
| lotuspsychje | i know ducasse its my silent dream :p but im pretty sure new things will come to us soon | 09:46 |
| lotuspsychje | escpecially when you shutdown thriven users...they will come forward even more | 09:47 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl :p | 10:01 |
| trijntje_ | How are people feeling about the recent announcments about unity8 and MIR? | 10:31 |
| ducasse | mir going away is probably for the best, imo | 11:50 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 12:11 |
| ducasse | \o BluesKaj | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | Hi ducasse | 12:13 |
| lordievader | Hey BluesKaj | 12:14 |
| BluesKaj | Hi lordievader | 12:15 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | fine thanks, had a good sleep in this morning, and you? | 12:16 |
| ducasse | that sounds very nice indeed :) | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, every now and then we all need to sleep later than normal | 12:23 |
| ducasse | absolutely :) | 12:25 |
| lordievader | BluesKaj: Doing good. Could have slept better though. | 12:27 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 13:00 |
| BluesKaj | Hey lotuspsychje | 13:04 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there BluesKaj | 13:04 |
| lotuspsychje | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mark-Shuttleworth-CEO-Return | 13:08 |
| lotuspsychje | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mir-Wayland-Dream | 13:10 |
| ducasse | \o lotuspsychje | 13:15 |
| lotuspsychje | wb ducasse | 13:15 |
| lotuspsychje | movie pause :p | 13:16 |
| lotuspsychje | hey acheron-a | 13:23 |
| acheron-a | hello lotuspsychje | 13:24 |
| ducasse | man, some days i'm just so happy to be using linux - it sometimes amazes me how configurable things really are :) | 13:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: what are you thinking about? | 13:39 |
| ducasse | it just annoyed me that in bash C-k only kills to the end of the line and C-u only to the beginning, but it was easy to remap C-k to kill the whole line no matter the position through readline | 13:41 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: fantastic how linux communicates with a machine | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | with the help of the user :p | 14:05 |
| ducasse | admittedly that's just a small thing, but it's just nice that you can change every little thing to suit your needs | 14:06 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 14:09 |
| ducasse | the downside is of course that you can get stuck for hours fiddling with every little detail ;) | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:12 |
| acheron-a | and then learning how to back that up ;) | 14:14 |
| acheron-a | dconf, gsettings, etc. | 14:14 |
| lotuspsychje | and how to not forgetting them in the future | 14:15 |
| lotuspsychje | !info spark | 14:16 |
| ubot5 | spark (source: spark): SPARK programming language toolset. In component universe, is optional. Version 2012.0.deb-11 (xenial), package size 2023 kB, installed size 9314 kB | 14:16 |
| ducasse | acheron-a: i try to avoid things that do not use plain text config files, so not a problem for me :) | 14:16 |
| acheron-a | yes, i keep detailed notes on setups and have developed some nice scripts to run, i am going to another computer to run it | 14:17 |
| acheron-a | bbiab | 14:18 |
| lotuspsychje | happy easter: https://hastebin.com/ujojihuwum.bash | 14:18 |
| ducasse | cute :) | 14:20 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 14:20 |
| lotuspsychje | afternoon xangua | 14:21 |
| xangua | Morning 🙃 | 14:22 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Nix-Box-Manjaro-385034794 | 14:24 |
| nicomachus | lotuspsychje: is that yours?? | 14:25 |
| ducasse | i3-gaps, it looks like | 14:25 |
| nicomachus | or awesomewm | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | no nicomachus just an i3 i found i find nice | 14:26 |
| nicomachus | but probably i3-gaps. I just don't know if i3 can do the big gaps around the outside. | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | with a cat for ducasse :p | 14:26 |
| nicomachus | I hate that clock. | 14:26 |
| ducasse | awesome has gaps? | 14:26 |
| nicomachus | oh: stuff: urxvt w. tmux (credit to eternalkernel's blog), weechat, feh, i3, i3-bar, conky piped with colors through JSON, conky topbar (my own), ncmpcpp, ranger... | 14:26 |
| nicomachus | ducasse: it can, IIRC | 14:27 |
| nicomachus | but it's i3 | 14:27 |
| nicomachus | deosn't even say i3-gaps.... odd. I guess you can just add the gaps in the config manually | 14:27 |
| ducasse | i3 by itself can't do gaps, you need the -gaps fork. | 14:27 |
| stevessss | so.. gnome is the future? | 14:27 |
| stevessss | .... I was using windowmaker myself on all my ubuntu boxes | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | stevessss: on 18.04 it will | 14:27 |
| stevessss | and wayland or Xorg at users choice | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mir-Wayland-Dream | 14:28 |
| stevessss | will wayland support network transpearancy so I can run gimp on a remote machine with more memory? | 14:28 |
| stevessss | (over gig ethernet probably just like Xorg remote requires) | 14:28 |
| stevessss | also will they make Xming and Xquartz for wayland on non-linux to display remote apps? | 14:29 |
| nicomachus | stevessss: the future is as you make | 14:29 |
| nicomachus | it | 14:29 |
| stevessss | will $DISPLAY still exist on wayland? | 14:29 |
| ducasse | the wayland protocol is not network transparent, no. | 14:30 |
| stevessss | can wayland be made network transparent? | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome Menzador | 14:30 |
| Menzador | lotuspsychje: lol, hi | 14:30 |
| ducasse | not directly, it will need to be done on top. | 14:30 |
| ducasse | stevessss: so vnc, rdp etc. | 14:31 |
| stevessss | my feelign is that if wayland becomes default on most linux distros, then Xorg is goign to get phased out and eventually cease development(in 5-10 years) | 14:31 |
| stevessss | vnc, rdp etc only support sharing an entire desktop | 14:31 |
| stevessss | not a single window | 14:31 |
| stevessss | rdesktop supports showing only 1 window at a time while copying entire desktop over network, making a fake appearance of sharing a single window | 14:32 |
| Menzador | There is a maintenance release due for Xorg, but who knows when it will come. | 14:32 |
| lotuspsychje | stevessss: http://news.softpedia.com/news/red-hat-and-fedora-teams-welcome-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland-with-open-arms-514661.shtml | 14:32 |
| Menzador | Hehe, I was just looking at that article. | 14:32 |
| ducasse | stevessss: the protocol does not support it and it won't be easy due to how things work in wayland aiui. | 14:33 |
| stevessss | remember the mir desktop? | 14:33 |
| nicomachus | no | 14:35 |
| nicomachus | because it was never given a stable release. becaues it was so awful. | 14:35 |
| Menzador | Wayland, however... There are really only a few desktops or WMs that run it by default yet. | 14:36 |
| lotuspsychje | wb brunch875 | 14:46 |
| lotuspsychje | afternoon baizon | 14:52 |
| baizon | hi lotuspsychje | 14:52 |
| lotuspsychje | next week we will know 18.04 codename? | 14:52 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: uh ... no? | 14:53 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: next week we will probably know 17.10 codename | 14:53 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: but when will 18.04 start to deploy | 14:54 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: in october? | 14:54 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 14:54 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: 6 month development cycles, like always | 14:54 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: also codenames are sort of irrelevant, only the numerical ones are guaranteed to sort and should really be used in anything important :) | 14:55 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 14:55 |
| brunch875 | hello peeps | 14:55 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: so before october nothing will happen in #ubuntu+1 ? | 14:57 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: uh, no | 14:57 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: before october, it will be for 17.10 | 14:57 |
| lotuspsychje | nor in #ubuntu-release? | 14:57 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: do you forget there is 2 releases a year? | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | indeed | 14:59 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: ok :) | 15:00 |
| lotuspsychje | those non-lts alway confuse me | 15:01 |
| nacc | well, 17.04 is not an lts either | 15:01 |
| nacc | nor is 16.10 | 15:01 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah that i know | 15:01 |
| lotuspsychje | why didnt they plan gnome for 17.10 then? | 15:02 |
| nicomachus | nacc: but everyone wants to know what happens after ZZ! | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | acrobatic aligator lol | 15:03 |
| brunch875 | that's the best one I've heard so far | 15:04 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: showed up on an article | 15:04 |
| lotuspsychje | a presume that is... | 15:04 |
| nacc | nicomachus: right, which is 17.10 | 15:05 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje was asking about 18.04 | 15:05 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: i don't think it's been said that they won't | 15:06 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: just that by 18.04 it will be done | 15:06 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-acrobatic-aardvark | 15:06 |
| lotuspsychje | aardvark it was | 15:06 |
| brunch875 | acrobatic aligator is much better | 15:06 |
| nacc | how about | 15:14 |
| nacc | aaaaaah monsters | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:14 |
| nacc | anyone remember that show? | 15:14 |
| nicomachus | aaaaaah REAL monsters! | 15:14 |
| nicomachus | we have a graffiti mural here in town of one of them | 15:14 |
| nacc | yeah, i figured i couldn't make the codename 3 words :) | 15:15 |
| nacc | and "aaaaah real" doesn't have the same ring | 15:15 |
| nicomachus | https://www.google.com/maps/@39.09171,-94.5821218,3a,75y,340.99h,85.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF1Siu9BP17LLRMhxmf0GOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 | 15:16 |
| nicomachus | at least it looks like one of those monsters | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sam-Redux-On-Unity-Compiz | 15:17 |
| nacc | ha it totally does nicomachus | 15:17 |
| nicomachus | it looks a bit different now, but not much | 15:19 |
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| lotuspsychje | hi Oscboll | 15:41 |
| lotuspsychje | https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/snap-a-website#0 | 15:50 |
| arunpyasi | Is Ubuntu really killing UNITY ? | 15:54 |
| lotuspsychje | arunpyasi: there are plans for 18.04 to have gnome as default | 15:54 |
| arunpyasi | lotuspsychje, so, its not confirmed ? | 15:54 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: unity won't be the default | 15:55 |
| arunpyasi | lotuspsychje, is UBUNTU/Canonical gonna maintain Unity further ? | 15:55 |
| lotuspsychje | arunpyasi: yes its confirmed unity and ubuntu phones will stop | 15:55 |
| nacc | unity8 already has a public website | 15:55 |
| DArqueBishop | "Killed" is a drastic word for it. | 15:55 |
| arunpyasi | nacc, why was that deason made ? | 15:55 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: because convergence was for phone and phone is gone | 15:55 |
| arunpyasi | nacc, hmm.. with Phone Unity also gone ? | 15:56 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: unity is not gone | 15:56 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: please read what we have said | 15:56 |
| lotuspsychje | arunpyasi: ubports will continue the phone project | 15:56 |
| arunpyasi | nacc, ok.. | 15:56 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: unity is a community project | 15:56 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: canonical will stop pushing unity as the future (unity8) and mir | 15:56 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: but that doesn't mean they are dead | 15:56 |
| arunpyasi | nacc, ohh ok | 15:56 |
| arunpyasi | nacc, so, Unity will still be maintained but not official used in Ubuntu by default ? | 15:57 |
| arunpyasi | Unity was never owned by Canonical ? | 15:57 |
| lotuspsychje | !unity | arunpyasi | 15:59 |
| ubot5 | arunpyasi: Unity is the default UI since Ubuntu 11.04. Unity is a shell for GNOME. see http://unity.ubuntu.com. For a GNOME 2-like experience, see !notunity | 15:59 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: i'm not sure what you mean by 'owned' by canonical? | 16:00 |
| nacc | arunpyasi: and not sure what you mean by 'not official' | 16:00 |
| acheron-a | well thats the whole reason Cinnamon got so popular was Gnome | 16:04 |
| acheron-a | but its nice to have choices | 16:04 |
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| lotuspsychje | acheron-a: yeah flavors make it all interesting | 16:05 |
| nicomachus | acheron-a: this is linux. You always have a choice. Want to keep using Unity? go ahead. There's already like 50 forks competing for it. | 16:05 |
| acheron-a | i'm running Cinnamon 3.2.8 on Ubuntu | 16:05 |
| nicomachus | gross | 16:05 |
| lotuspsychje | acheron-a: does that run smooth? | 16:05 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: I installed ubuntu gnome 17.04 last night and the touchscreen stuff works pretty well. That on screen keyboard though is kinda bad | 16:05 |
| acheron-a | yes | 16:05 |
| * nicomachus hates cinnamon :/ | 16:05 | |
| nacc | tgm4883: yeah, i have no idea how the OSK is supposed to work :( | 16:05 |
| nacc | tgm4883: it basically feels like it doesn't | 16:05 |
| acheron-a | i do not care for Mint's implementation of it | 16:06 |
| nacc | tgm4883: and with u-g, it seems really sensitve to context when it shows up | 16:06 |
| nacc | acheron-a: so cinnamon from upstream? | 16:06 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: it works fine for me except when I accidently touch a keyboard key it disappears, and also it's pretty difficult to thumb type with it | 16:06 |
| tgm4883 | I wonder if there's different designs for it | 16:06 |
| nacc | tgm4883: i did a quick apt search the other day and there are a bunch of packages taht provide it | 16:07 |
| nacc | but i don't know how you configure which to use | 16:07 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: I'll poke around and see what I can find | 16:07 |
| nacc | tgm4883: thanks, i'll be curious what you are able to achieve! | 16:08 |
| acheron-a | http://www.tecmint.com/install-cinnamon-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora-workstations/ | 16:10 |
| acheron-a | thats how i did it | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 16:10 |
| acheron-a | so far, so good, i am testing it on 2 computers, AMD and Intel | 16:11 |
| lotuspsychje | acheron-a: looks rather nice, but ill stick to non-ppa stuff | 16:12 |
| acheron-a | i understand, thats the only PPA i have | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | no sweat, everyone does what he likes :p | 16:12 |
| acheron-a | maybe in the future ubuntu will officially have it in their reps | 16:13 |
| lotuspsychje | alot will happen next, thats for sure | 16:13 |
| acheron-a | they have 2.8 but it does not run well | 16:13 |
| acheron-a | cinnamon-core/xenial,xenial 2.8.0 | 16:14 |
| acheron-a | cinnamon-desktop-environment/xenial,xenial 2.8.0 | 16:15 |
| acheron-a | thats available without a PPA | 16:15 |
| ducasse | 3.2 in zesty | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 16:15 |
| acheron-a | apt list cinn* | 16:15 |
| nacc | looks to be 2.8.6-1ubuntu1 in xenial | 16:18 |
| baizon | omg | 16:49 |
| baizon | https://plus.google.com/+MarkShuttleworthCanonical/posts/7LYubpaHUHH | 16:49 |
| nacc | baizon: why is that omg? | 16:49 |
| daftykins | you're a bit late to that party :> | 16:49 |
| baizon | im sorry | 16:50 |
| baizon | was at work | 16:50 |
| baizon | omg is for -> no unity, just gnome :( | 16:50 |
| baizon | i hate gnome | 16:50 |
| nacc | yeah that's a few days old | 16:50 |
| nacc | well, aiui, unity7 was gnome | 16:50 |
| nacc | so you mean unity8, which was never released | 16:50 |
| daftykins | yep just skinned | 16:50 |
| acheron-a | yeah | 16:52 |
| acheron-a | it was a shocker for sure, thought first it was an april fools joke | 16:53 |
| daftykins | not since it was days into the month | 16:53 |
| acheron-a | always have to pick we me, dont you dafty? | 16:54 |
| daftykins | what? | 16:54 |
| daftykins | i'm not picking on you, i think you're being a bit sensitive. | 16:55 |
| acheron-a | lol .. talk about being sensitive | 16:56 |
| acheron-a | you're the one that went all the pieces when i mentioned mint support | 16:56 |
| acheron-a | are you some kind of fairy? | 16:56 |
| acheron-a | * ignore * | 16:57 |
| daftykins | what's your problem today, trouble at home? | 16:57 |
| daftykins | 3+ people saw you as being ridiculous the other day :) you're being very transparent having a moan at me :) | 16:57 |
| tgm4883 | Can't we all just get along | 17:01 |
| daftykins | well everyone, i best change distro if a Fairy isn't welcome :( | 17:01 |
| acheron-a | i;m fine .. that guy was on me ever since i came in this chat room | 17:02 |
| daftykins | total rubbish | 17:02 |
| nicomachus | +1 | 17:02 |
| acheron-a | first day he made an issue with me because i commented about some mint issues and he made like i was referring to him personally | 17:02 |
| ducasse | log or it didn't happen. | 17:02 |
| nicomachus | just drop it | 17:02 |
| acheron-a | so i will just leave him on ignore | 17:03 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: which day was this? | 17:04 |
| acheron-a | a couple of weeks ago, the first day i joined in here | 17:05 |
| nicomachus | !logs | 17:06 |
| ubot5 | Official channel logs can be found at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. Meetingology logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ | 17:06 |
| tgm4883 | nicomachus: searching that site sucks though | 17:11 |
| acheron-a | No one here really knows anything about me, so let me give some background … I have worked on computers since the days of CP/M and S-100 Buss. At my last job at Hewlett Packard Enterprise, one the many things I did was software load and documentation for HP-UX on the HP-9000 Superdome platform. So I think I know my way around the world of computing. I don’t need any descending behavior from some nab | 17:12 |
| acheron-a | obs in a chat room. | 17:12 |
| nacc | lol | 17:13 |
| nacc | acheron-a: i know basically nothing about anyone in this room | 17:13 |
| nacc | acheron-a: and your history doesn't matter | 17:13 |
| daftykins | unfortunately my conversations challenging distribution choice are often taken too personally by some more sensitive users. | 17:13 |
| nicomachus | well, now that we know all that we can treat you with the respect you deserve! | 17:13 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: windows = winblows | 17:15 |
| daftykins | nicomachus: how dare you insult my good name, i'll have you know i have been working with computers since the abacus! | 17:15 |
| nicomachus | sudo apt install baseball | 17:19 |
| acheron-a | does anyone still remember that demo of USB that Bill Gates was giving and the system blue screened on him ... LOL | 17:31 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: Not saying this is you, but more often than not when I see people reference that sort of history it tends to mean they are trying to use it as an excuse as to why they are being difficult and/or ignoring instructions (mostly see this in the support channel). Anyone that's been around computers that long should know that technology changes fast | 17:32 |
| tgm4883 | enough that it's irrelevant to the discussion. | 17:32 |
| acheron-a | oh, wow, thanks tgm4883 , so much for getting along | 17:34 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: ... | 17:34 |
| nacc | acheron-a: "Not saying this is you..." | 17:35 |
| nacc | acheron-a: tgm4883 prefaced it with that | 17:35 |
| daftykins | too sensitive for IRC. | 17:35 |
| nicomachus | sudo apt install baseball-on-tv | 17:35 |
| nacc | nicomachus: :) | 17:36 |
| nacc | nicomachus: is it working | 17:36 |
| nicomachus | no | 17:36 |
| nacc | darn | 17:36 |
| nicomachus | package not found. would you like to install NASCAR-practice instead? | 17:36 |
| nacc | lol | 17:37 |
| nacc | nooooo (not a fan of nascar myself) | 17:37 |
| nicomachus | me neither. but that's what is on FoxSportsGO | 17:37 |
| nacc | sad | 17:37 |
| nicomachus | it's friday... there aren't usually many day baseball games on Fridays | 17:38 |
| nacc | was able to go to the blazers game last night, was the best one i've been to in a while | 17:38 |
| nicomachus | they do friday night so that more people will show up at the ballpark | 17:38 |
| nacc | yep | 17:38 |
| nacc | (blazers being trailblazers being nba, for context) | 17:38 |
| nicomachus | right. :D | 17:39 |
| * nicomachus is not a basketball fan | 17:39 | |
| nacc | ah :( | 17:39 |
| nicomachus | sorry | 17:39 |
| nacc | nicomachus: baseball mostly? | 17:39 |
| nicomachus | yep | 17:39 |
| daftykins | MLB ftw | 17:39 |
| nicomachus | a bit of hockey. but all baseball | 17:39 |
| nicomachus | ok, off to lunch and get some things notarized. | 17:39 |
| acheron-a | take care | 17:40 |
| daftykins | aww tonights isa really late one for me | 17:40 |
| daftykins | *is a | 17:40 |
| daftykins | (Royals) | 17:40 |
| acheron-a | hello glebihan | 18:12 |
| tgm4883 | well that was a fun read | 18:36 |
| Bashing-om | tgm4883: ^ Fun read for me also ? | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | Bashing-om: nah, I just grepped IRC logs looking for daftykins cruelty | 18:53 |
| daftykins | tgm4883: was i bad Fairy after all? | 18:53 |
| tgm4883 | I actually didn't find any, which was surprising ;) | 18:53 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 18:53 |
| daftykins | well i appreciate your honesty | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | I'm checking Feb though now, so maybe I'll see some | 18:54 |
| daftykins | this isn't the first time someone has taken things the wrong way though :/ | 18:54 |
| daftykins | what's special about me and February? :) | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | daftykins: nothing. I just checked April and March | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | working backwards | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | ubottu doesn't log joins/parts so I've got to read convos | 18:55 |
| tgm4883 | the only thing I've found was a misunderstanding on Mint, which was cleared up within a few minutes | 18:55 |
| tgm4883 | Oh the things I do when Jira's down and I'm waiting for things to compress | 18:55 |
| daftykins | :) | 18:57 |
| daftykins | i do bash Mint a lot, 'cause there's no good reason for it to exist :) | 18:57 |
| nicomachus | that's true tho | 18:58 |
| tgm4883 | nothing in feb | 19:02 |
| tgm4883 | note I'm specifically looking for interaction with a particular user, not because I have some weird thing for daftykins :) | 19:02 |
| daftykins | tbh we all know how i earnt a certain ban, but this time it's definitely the user imagining it | 19:08 |
| nicomachus | BAN DAFTYKINS | 19:16 |
| nicomachus | FROM ALLLLL THE NETWORKS | 19:16 |
| daftykins | :> | 19:21 |
| Guest123 | What's going to happen to Ubuntu Touch? | 19:45 |
| baizon | its dead | 19:45 |
| Guest123 | It looks really cool. | 19:47 |
| Guest123 | Linux on your phone. | 19:47 |
| daftykins | that's not a new thing | 19:48 |
| DArqueBishop | Technically, if you have Android, you already have Linux on your phone. | 19:57 |
| tgm4883 | I'm not sure why people want to use their phone's as a desktop. Any time it's tried to use a Pi as a desktop the experience was pretty bad | 20:01 |
| tgm4883 | Now a tablet that can double as a laptop/desktop, that's something I can get behind (x86 tablet's that is) | 20:02 |
| daftykins | tgm4883: yeah i think it's one of those gimmicky things that sounds fun but in practice would be pretty terrible | 20:17 |
| nicomachus | I can SSH into a real computer from my phone. that's enough. | 20:23 |
| tgm4883 | nicomachus: in a pinch it will work. But to do regular work from it would be a pain I think | 20:24 |
| tgm4883 | I'm speaking to the "I want to use my phone as a desktop replacement" | 20:25 |
| nicomachus | that's just a bad idea. | 20:25 |
| nicomachus | it's a phone. | 20:25 |
| tgm4883 | well yea, I agree | 20:25 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: the answer is to install gnome-shell-extension-onboard, enable it in tweak, reboot (probably just logout and in) | 20:54 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: it's got the ability to customize your layout, so I'm figuring that part out now | 20:54 |
| nacc | tgm4883: ah good thanks! | 21:27 |
| stevessss | so.. ubuntus move to gnome will reduce the linux schism | 22:41 |
| stevessss | to just kde vs gnome | 22:41 |
| nacc | stevessss: that's certainly an opinion to have | 22:42 |
| stevessss | making kde and gtk kits for mobile /android/ios might be a winning solution | 22:43 |
| stevessss | 1 app runs on devices, windows, linux, osx, ios, android etc | 22:43 |
| stevessss | and runs natively | 22:43 |
| nacc | uh | 22:43 |
| stevessss | the end-user doesnt want to reduce their desktop to looklike a phone | 22:43 |
| nacc | i don't think the ui is the reason apps don't run eveyrwhere | 22:43 |
| stevessss | no.. but there is a port of qt to almost every platform | 22:44 |
| nacc | if you mean it would look the same everywhere, then sure, that's something | 22:44 |
| nacc | but you won't magically see the same app on windows an dlinux | 22:44 |
| stevessss | the write package manager could make an easy-button for mostely gtk apps to run everywhere | 22:44 |
| stevessss | no.. you have to compile for each platform | 22:44 |
| stevessss | but automation can make that easier to the dev | 22:44 |
| nacc | which makes it immediately not the same app | 22:44 |
| nacc | in any case, yes, what you are saying is possible | 22:45 |
| stevessss | apache-cordova does that | 22:45 |
| acheron-a | well the market for phone OS is already occupied ;) | 22:45 |
| stevessss | you add platforms and it has different build commands for each platform to embed a browser for each target | 22:45 |
| stevessss | yeah | 22:45 |
| stevessss | you cant sell phone-os to end users | 22:45 |
| acheron-a | you'd have to have something awfully compelling to break in | 22:45 |
| stevessss | if linux makes app development easier to go to more platforms, maybe that is an option | 22:45 |
| tgm4883 | Can we stop trying to put desktop apps on phones? | 22:46 |
| nacc | or that --^ | 22:46 |
| nacc | then again, i hate smartphones on some level to begin with | 22:46 |
| stevessss | gtk+opengl or qt+opengl can run games at native speed on any platform | 22:46 |
| acheron-a | phones are throw away devices and status symbols for others and then the middle of the market | 22:46 |
| tgm4883 | "games at native speed" | 22:46 |
| acheron-a | and the middle just doesn't care how they browse the web | 22:46 |
| stevessss | or vr, or augmented reality | 22:46 |
| * tgm4883 gets ready to run xcom 2 on his nexus 6P | 22:47 | |
| stevessss | I can see gtk becomming an api or widget kit on most devices without replacing the device os | 22:47 |
| stevessss | and support open-source on smartphones | 22:47 |
| OerHeks | vr is as boring as 3d tv | 22:47 |
| tgm4883 | OerHeks: have you used VR? | 22:48 |
| tgm4883 | I think it's interesting, but the costs need to come way down | 22:48 |
| stevessss | phones should use phone ui...for small screens..and desktops should use desktop ui for big screens | 22:48 |
| daftykins | and the resolution needs to go up :> | 22:48 |
| OerHeks | i cannot watch such things longer than 1 hour or so | 22:48 |
| stevessss | they arent and shouldn't be the same | 22:48 |
| * tgm4883 is waiting for the HTC Vive 3 | 22:49 | |
| acheron-a | stevessss, exactly but some decision makers still have yet learn or come to that conclusion | 22:49 |
| tgm4883 | stevessss: that's precisely what Unity 8 was trying to accomplish | 22:50 |
| tgm4883 | IIRC, I think it's a design spec of android | 22:50 |
| acheron-a | even MS couldn't get it to work but i always that maybe an OS that has multiple personalities might work, one that would have a common core and multiple GUIs depending on what device it was on | 23:12 |
| acheron-a | instead of one size fits all, it would sense what device it was on and deploy accordingly or allow the user to override | 23:14 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: it's up to the app developer to make it work, not the OS creator | 23:16 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: something about leading horses to water and making them drink | 23:16 |
| tgm4883 | acheron-a: also, that second thing you said is precisely what Windows 10 does (and was a goal of Unity 8) | 23:17 |
| Guest123 | Is there a channel to make suggestions for Ubuntu? | 23:58 |
| OerHeks | launchpad would be the proper way, i guess | 23:59 |
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