[08:25] <praisethemoon> Good morning
[08:52] <Dro> bjr
[08:52] <elacheche> Morning folks
[09:00] <davlefou> Bonjour a tous!
[09:03] <davlefou> Qui va à fnl la semaine prochaine?
[09:06] <elacheche> Me.. But have nothing to present/prepare because the website was not up to date, and yesterday when I re-subscribed there was only 3 options to choose within! I'll try to join the discussion session only..
[09:07] <elacheche> Even the speakers are just mentionned in the website with no detailled plan who'll talk about what or when.. I'd like to be present during  ichihi talk, but have no idea when that will be..
[09:09] <praisethemoon> I can't, it's at week's beginning :(
[09:09] <praisethemoon> or rather midweek
[09:18] <elacheche> ichihi: Please if you have any idea about date/time of your talk just let me know.. ;)
[09:34] <elacheche> nzoueidi: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/849908742871175168
[09:36] <nzoueidi> Morning folks
[09:37] <nzoueidi> hahaha :D
[09:46] <elacheche> praisethemoon: afaik, UNIX is designed to be a whole OS not only a kernel, all components are relaed to each others.. It's a huge pile of code.. GNU & Linux was designed to be part of other things, I don't remeber where I heard this, but the idea behind is to code something that do only one thing, but do it very well.. That's what Linux do, it serves only one purpose, the kernel, and keep other fields for
[09:46] <elacheche> other programms..
[09:47] <praisethemoon> ahh I see
[09:47] <praisethemoon> it's thanks to that we have raspberry pie's and beaglebones
[09:48] <praisethemoon> thus comes IoT
[09:48] <elacheche> Yep..
[09:52] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I know that other people will give you better answeres, when they do, ping me so I can learn :D
[09:53] <praisethemoon> surething x)
[09:53] <praisethemoon> we never stop learning
[09:53] <praisethemoon> \o/
[10:36] <elacheche> Dro: https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/63wndz/live_stream_drupal_8_theming_from_the_ground_up/
[10:40] <elacheche> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/04/06/welcoming-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland/
[11:21] <nizarus> GNOME, Wayland and hopefully Flatpak ! ils veulent que ubuntu abondonne snap aussi :-p
[11:22] <elacheche> hahaha x)
[11:22] <elacheche> They'll not do that, snap is for IoT.. Canonical will focus on IoT
[11:22] <elacheche> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDBg_TqSgHE
[11:41] <ichihi> elacheche, it's not entirely clear for me either :)
[11:43] <elacheche> That's confuses me more ichihi :(
[11:43] <elacheche> s/That's/That
[11:48] <elacheche> nizarus: It's really weird how I share many ideas with the community.. I'm happy that I'm not the only one in this planet that just hope that Canonical stop pushing Snaps to the Desktop and the Servers.. Snaps are good, but only for IoT..
[11:48] <davlefou> nizarus, Cela donne quoi pour la semaine prochaine?
[11:50] <nizarus> elacheche: les bonnes idées se propagent :-)
[11:51] <nizarus> davlefou: je suis comme toi je ne sais que ce qui est envoyé par le comité d'organisation.
[11:51] <elacheche> nizarus: The next "Lunduke Hour" will host RMS.. That'll be a good hour x) :D
[11:51] <nizarus> déjà elacheche a bien résumé beaucoup de choses dans son mail
[11:52] <nizarus> elacheche: youtube est censuré ici à la faculté je n'ai pas pu voir la vidéo :-/
[11:52] <nizarus> ichihi: en Tunisie la semaine prochaine ?
[11:53] <elacheche> nizarus: There is a whole other storm in my mind that I couldn't find a way to share by writing it, I need more coffee to translate  that to a mail :(
[11:53] <elacheche> nizarus: bookmark the youtube video.. You'll like it :)
[11:54] <elacheche> ichihi: As you'll be @Sousse, I'm interested of a having a cup of coffee with you & other community members :)
[11:58] <ichihi> nizarus, inshallah, I will.  Although, not everything is fully confirmed yet.
[11:59] <ichihi> elacheche, of course, it'd be a pleasure!
[11:59] <elacheche> :D
[12:00] <elacheche> ichihi: What do you think (as a RedHat guy) about the decision of Canonical to drop the usage of Unity as default?
[12:05] <elacheche> nizarus: You like Unity.. Are you planning to switch to Gnome or you'll use an other DE?
[12:07] <elacheche> I stopped using DE's years ago.. But if you'll try something other than Gnome, I recommend using MATE.. You can even make it looks like Unity using the MUTINY hack :)
[12:27] <plof> Guys, we have a very serious problems. Installing linux for beginners.
[12:27] <plof> problem*
[12:38] <elacheche> plof: What's the problem with that (except when you get the wrong mode (efi/bios) after creating the USB)..
[12:38] <elacheche> plof: "we" who are you?
[12:38] <elacheche> x)
[12:38] <plof> It is too complicated for a person who only knows how to open firefox.
[12:39] <plof> and do some facebook
[12:39] <plof> I know someone who studies philosophy and wants to use linux and not windows.
[12:40] <elacheche> plof: Installing Ubuntu/Mint/Zorin is not that hard if you know how to read and not shy enough to ask people for help..
[12:40] <plof> elacheche: It is still to complicated.
[12:40] <plof> too*
[12:40] <plof> Reading a ton to get something like that done sucks.
[12:40] <plof> It is too much intimidating
[12:41] <plof> Are ubuntu still sending free dvds?
[12:41] <elacheche> plof: If someone manages to install any other OS, so he can install a GNU/Linux distro.. If not, he needs to get in touch with someone :) That's why WE (community guyus) offer help when someone needs us
[12:42] <elacheche> No plof, No FREE DVDs fro years.. That program was shutdown
[12:44] <elacheche> plof: If you like I can help you teaching the person you're talking about how to do it.. I can supervise that person during the installation..
[12:45] <elacheche> plof: not everyone is supposed to know how to install GNU/Linux.. Using it is enough.. People who know how to install it can help.. Even RMS don't install his GNU/Linux boxes himself x)
[12:46] <plof> elacheche: The person that you want to help is not on the same political wavelength as you.
[12:47] <plof> elacheche: Can you still help him even if he worshipes Satan, or he is a Jew or some random communist?
[12:47] <elacheche> plof: Why we talk about politics now! o_O
[12:47] <plof> I don't know, i really have this impression that the tunisian people get too much carried by emotions.
[12:47] <elacheche> I don't care plof! This is a technical channel! I offer a TECHNICAL HELP! I suppose that the chitchat with other persons will be TECHNICAL as well!
[12:48] <plof> elacheche: Awesome.
[12:48] <plof> elacheche: So i would point you to him. He is from Kairouen. So i think he is in you vicinity.
[12:49] <elacheche> plof: I'm 95% that NO ONE in this channel share the same political/religious opinions! No one cares! That's not what we do in here! We don't talk about things that we're not supposed to talk about!
[12:50] <plof> elacheche: Yes, i am with being professional!
[13:05] <elacheche> praisethemoon: This is a little bit of what we were talkign about http://blog.octo.com/5-services-que-systemd-ma-deja-rendu/
[13:09] <praisethemoon> elacheche, do you know rust?
[13:09] <ichihi> elacheche, it makes sense:  it's extremely difficult to maintain something when there's no vibrant community around it.
[13:10] <elacheche> I heard about it praisethemoon
[13:10] <praisethemoon> it's a language developed by Mozilla Research
[13:10] <praisethemoon> a system level
[13:10] <praisethemoon> currently there is only C/C++ for that level
[13:11] <praisethemoon> not to mention assembly
[13:11] <elacheche> ichihi: Yes.. On an other hand.. There is a community of USERS around it.. Not enough for FOSS projects.. A Foss project need all a good Dev community around it..
[13:11] <ichihi> elacheche, at Red Hat, we had many requests to support KDE, but all our efforts are around GNOME.  We provide only minimal support for KDE.
[13:11] <elacheche> ichihi: the new RHEL is shipped with Gnome3 or still uses Gnome2?
[13:11] <praisethemoon> a redhat server running kde? why?
[13:12] <elacheche> praisethemoon: RHEL are not only for servers! There is a Desktop subscription as well ;)
[13:15] <praisethemoon> REHL = Red Hat H? L?
[13:20] <elacheche> RHEL == Red Hat Enterprise Linux
[13:51] <nizarus> elacheche: oui, j'aime bien Unity :-)
[13:52] <nizarus> il y a quelques semaines je suis passé sous gnome shell sur mon PC à la faculté
[13:53] <elacheche> I recommend MATE too (Old good Gnome2 look).. You can even make it looks like Unity using the MUTINY hack :)
[13:53] <nizarus> j'ai pas trop aimé mate :p
[13:54] <nizarus> mais bon on verra d'ici avril 2018 ;-)
[13:57] <elacheche> :)
[14:10] <praisethemoon> +1 for mate
[14:12] <praisethemoon> i have ubuntumate on vbox @ home :3
[14:16] <elacheche> I hated Unity from the 1st month using it after the pushed ot as default and dropping the Gnome2 alternative session.. I sitched to XFCE for a while.. Then LXDE.. Then When the 1st beta/stable of MATE was released I switched to it.. And was extreamly happy :D
[14:17] <elacheche> Until I realize that I don't really need a DE anymore.. And move to AWESOME WM :D
[14:20] <nizarus> j'ai un xfce sur mon petit notebook et j'aime bien aussi :-)
[14:30] <elacheche> :)
[14:33] <nizarus> qui a crée un compte Mastodon ici ?
[14:43] <elacheche> Not yet.. Overhelmed by other things.. :/
[14:58] <davlefou> nizarus, j'ai pas reçu le courriel de confirmation!
[15:53] <Dro> bonjour
[15:53] <Dro> praisethemoon, i got your IP address :P
[15:58] <elacheche> lol Dro leave him alone x)
[15:59] <Dro> elacheche, I got yours too :P
[16:01] <praisethemoon> x))
[16:01] <praisethemoon> h8s gonna h8
[16:01] <praisethemoon> h8ers gonna h8
[16:04] <elacheche> Dro: So what! :) I got yours as well :) That's no big deal :)
[16:06] <Dro> elacheche, whats mine :p
[16:08] <elacheche> Dro: You forgot that I work for the same company! x) I should have more than your IP @ :p
[16:08] <elacheche> Let's stop kidding around x)
[16:18] <Dro> elacheche, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:19] <Dro> even u have my IP u can do nothing :P :P
[16:20] <elacheche> Sure, I will never do anything to ayone :) :) I'm a peaceful creature :)
[16:28] <praisethemoon> no ur not
[16:28] <praisethemoon> you eat meat, that is dead animal's flesh
[16:28] <praisethemoon> you eat vegtables that was once a living tree
[16:28] <praisethemoon> you use computer; that consumes alot of power and energy
[16:29] <Dro> hahaha
[16:29] <elacheche> x)
[16:30] <praisethemoon> so elacheche, doing bad things with Dro's computer might even bring you more karma than sins XD
[16:30] <praisethemoon> dro's IP @*
[16:36] <Dro> lol
[16:40] <nizarus> davlefou: quel mail de confirmation ?
[17:01] <Dro> good night!
[17:07] <davlefou> nizarus, Le courriel que l'ont doit recevoir après l'inscription!
[17:08] <nizarus> Ah ! tu parle de mastodon :-) tu es sur quelle instance ?
[17:13] <davlefou> Des instances fr, je sais plus trop, j'ai fermé les pages!
[17:14] <nizarus> :-) j'ai eu ce souci avec l'instance mastodon.xyz j'ai du demander une seconde foi de m'envoyer le mail de confirmation
[17:16] <davlefou> Saturé: https://instances.mastodon.xyz/
[17:23] <davlefou> https://masto.themimitoof.fr/auth/sign_in
[17:23] <nizarus> je suis passé de mastodon.xyz à mamot.fr qui est gérée par La Quadrature
[18:54] <ichihi> elacheche, Yes, RHEL 7 comes with GNOME 3.
[18:54] <ichihi> elacheche, what an enterprise cares about is a supportable, maintainable environment over the time.
[18:56] <ichihi> elacheche, RHEL provides a lifecycle of 13 years (could go up to 16).  The desktop product is not a very popular product, but it's still widely used on scientific workstations.
[18:56] <ichihi> elacheche, https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/introducing-GNOME3-desktop.html