[00:16] <ali1234> what does "GA" mean?
[00:29] <daftykins> in what context?
[00:32] <ali1234> "There were a healthy handful of Unity 8 fans, calling for its GA"
[00:32] <daftykins> general availability was my first guess
[00:33] <ali1234> okay but what does that actually mean?
[00:34] <daftykins> more than likely being spun into a release as defaults
[00:34] <ali1234> it is already generally available in the common sense
[00:36] <daftykins> can't say i know much about it, is that phone only then? well touch only
[00:36] <ali1234> no, you can just install it on 16.04
[00:36] <ali1234> it doesn't work on many graphics cards
[00:37] <ali1234> but i don't see what that has to do with availability...
[00:37] <daftykins> perhaps 'GA' is more so for the common user, not an enthusiast wanting to tweak
[00:37] <ali1234> so "finish it"
[00:37] <daftykins> e.g. i bet MS consider Windows 10's 'GA' as being the 11th of April, yet they already published it to their download tool, so i've installed it already
[00:37] <ali1234> wut?
[00:38] <daftykins> sorry Windows 10's 1703 update build, 15063
[00:38] <ali1234> oh, i see
[00:38] <ali1234> so more like "tell people it's finished"
[00:39] <daftykins> fanfare and throw them an ISO, i suppose :>
[00:40] <ali1234> trouble is its obviously nowhere near finished
[00:47] <daftykins> that's the trouble with fans i suppose :>
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:03] <SuperMatt> g'day
[08:03] <SuperMatt> s'Friday
[08:05] <brobostigon> morning
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy No Housework Day! 😃
[08:52] <SuperMatt> I'll let the wife know, thanks
[08:53] <brobostigon> :)
[08:56]  * zmoylan-pi dials 99 and poises finger for final 9 and waits for thud from SuperMatt 
[08:57] <SuperMatt> Oh she loves doing the housework, and tells everyone she meets that she's a housewife
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I barely have to lift a finger most days
[09:30] <directhex> anyone have strong feelings on estate agents, other than swearing?
[09:45] <diplo> No strong feelings but there are good ones, normally the smaller ones
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> A necessary evil
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> And I guess I will find out how evil when it comes to selling thing place :-(
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I'm not 100% certain it is. Don't they have a high turn over of staff because it doesn't really take that much to learn about the process, and not many people want to do it for long?
[10:08] <diplo> My ex works for one, I do IT work for them, they've had the same staff for 10 years ish, so not necessarily, but they are small
[10:15] <SuperMatt> I guess the bigguns like foxtons are the ones were they have a high turn over
[10:28] <arsenip> you're gambling 'nice experience with smaller local agent' vs 'higher sale price with foxtons' - always a compromise.
[10:31] <SuperMatt> Foxtons will probably get you a quick sell too, because if someone can't manage a viewing *that day*, they won't bother with them any more
[10:34] <arsenip> they do stuff like 'we'll only show you if you have AIP and they know its exactly the place you're aftuer.. thus likely to offer ASAP'
[10:35] <arsenip> then start some bidding war to get it sold
[10:35] <arsenip> bernard marcus cost me at least £7500 with that crap
[10:45] <arsenip> also hi :p
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> £7.5k????????
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> What were you selling? Balmoral?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> If it was in London, then it was a flat with a bed under the washing machine
[10:54] <arsenip> indeed, welcome to london.
[10:55] <arsenip> they cost me in organised bidding war price raises rather than fees as a seller.
[10:56] <SuperMatt> Why should the bidding war cost you any money though?
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> Another reason to avoid London
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> That and I'd never earn enough to live there, other than in a cardboard box
[10:57] <arsenip> because i paid 7.5k above what they wanted for it
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> That doesn't sound to bad TBH. I heard tell of places in Glasgow's West End going for 50% over the guide price.
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> Which is nuts.
[10:58] <arsenip> idd, still got a good deal by london standards
[10:58] <SuperMatt> oh, you were buying
[10:58] <arsenip> oh, sorry :p yes.
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> Seems selling fees should be around the 1-2% mark (all depending on price, services etc)
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> So for this place I'd end up paying...lessee....£3.25 :-S
[10:59] <SuperMatt> I kinda feel like the fees should be a flat rate, so there's no way that the estate agents can prioritise selling of more valuable properties
[11:00] <arsenip> these days they dont get a cut from the sale price i think
[11:01] <arsenip> tend to make more money from bringing property onto the books (commission structure is aimed at that, rather than sale price)
[11:01] <SuperMatt> ah right
[12:18] <diddledan> someone on the tv crew in china for the F1 practice has just won the Internet: https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/850321582677479424
[13:01] <diddledan> WTFWTFWTF syria breaking news!
[13:01] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-39521332
[13:52] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Also, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39531108
[14:13] <diddledan> available as a snap, this looks funky: https://www.zerotier.com/
[14:17] <arsenip> sadface TwistedLucidity :(
[14:32] <popey> ali1234: when will more zerostems be in stock? :)
[14:32] <ali1234> in about a month
[14:32] <ali1234> maybe
[14:46] <popey> k
[15:04] <arsen> bleblehbleh
[15:21] <daftykins> arsen: o/
[15:21] <arsen> hi daftykins :)
[15:22] <daftykins> how are tricks?
[15:24] <arsen> tricking thanks, you?
[15:24] <arsen> (busy, started new job)
[15:25] <daftykins> again! :>
[15:25] <daftykins> yeah not bad here ta, life on the rock is ok
[15:27] <arsen> same old :D
[15:27] <arsen> my company got semi-bought, so a lazy job change :)
[15:27] <daftykins> ah i see
[15:29] <arsen> sent links :p
[15:29]  * lopta needs a job change.
[15:30] <daftykins> :>
[15:30] <daftykins> arsen: still in nodnoL presumably?
[15:30] <arsen> indeed
[15:31] <arsen> moving offices on monday tho - last of my decent view!
[15:31] <daftykins> nooooo!
[15:31] <daftykins> down into the basement with ye
[15:32] <diddledan> nodnoL!
[15:34] <arsen> eugh
[15:35] <arsen> the idea of the imgur app is that it's quick images->web
[15:35] <arsen> but not if you dont know login creds! :/
[15:38] <arsen> so after much unneeded faff - here's an image that wasn't worth the effort http://i.imgur.com/p4idGtO.jpg
[15:39] <daftykins> now do another straight
[15:39] <daftykins> ;D
[15:39]  * daftykins ducks
[15:39] <Laney> and landscape
[15:39] <daftykins> ^
[15:39] <arsen> pfs
[15:39] <arsen> tbh it is now faster... dont have to recover my account password (to find i actually used gmail signin)
[15:39] <daftykins> i like how that *could* be a building shadow but it also looks like it could be arsen's shadow too
[15:40] <arsen> tho i will go via the bog and get a lobby shot
[15:40] <arsen> brb
[15:40]  * Laney doesn't recognise any landmarks in that picture
[15:43] <arsen> https://imgur.com/gallery/hrQrS
[15:43] <daftykins> hmm 'the page isn't redirecting properly'
[15:44] <arsen> odd
[15:44] <arsen> https://i.imgur.com/B21KPbV.jpg
[15:45] <lopta> Is that London?
[15:45] <daftykins> cor quite the drop
[15:46] <arsen> bishopsgate
[15:46] <arsen> liverpool st station on the left, if id
[15:46] <arsen> of stood a few meters left youd see it anyway
[15:50] <diddledan> that's the lobby?!
[15:50] <diddledan> I'd hate to see you go out the front-door
[15:50] <daftykins> :>
[15:50] <arsen> building split into segments of 3 floors
[15:50] <arsen> its my lobby
[15:50] <lopta> Is there a lift?
[15:50] <arsen> the real lobby is... fishtanky
[15:52] <arsen> http://i.imgur.com/cdM3ltC.jpg
[15:52] <arsen> that is better if you actually know the liverpool st area
[15:53] <arsen> not many landmarks in this view really - NE edge of teh city. i guess there's the olympic park, though that's basically just a massive pringle and some tacky towers.
[16:23] <lopta> brb, lunch.
[17:15] <lopta> Am I right in thinking that "Unity" was a desktop environment?
[17:15] <lopta> Did it have its own window manager?
[17:16] <daftykins> the one folks have been using for the last few years is essentially skinned gnome i think
[17:18] <lopta> Gnome 2?
[17:18] <daftykins> no idea :>
[17:20] <lopta> Thanks.  That gives me some idea, anyway.
[17:20] <daftykins> of course if you're referring to the news pieces on unity 8 that got canned, then that is wholly different
[17:21] <diddledan> unity7 is on top of compiz
[17:22] <lopta> Perhaps I misunderstood. I heard that they'd abandoned development of Unity 8 but thought Ubuntu was moving (back?) towards Gnome instead.
[17:24] <diddledan> "Trump is an unstable, ignorant, madman with no regard for democracy but I'm glad he's shooting missiles"
[17:24] <diddledan> that appears to be twitter right now
[17:27] <lopta> diddledan: Not all of it.
[17:30] <lopta> I would elaborate but I'm guessing that would be off-topic here.
[17:31] <daftykins> heh i wouldn't worry about being on topic in here
[17:31] <daftykins> although politics might grate
[17:32] <popey> lopta: yes, that's the gist of it. Goal is to use GNOME Shell by 18.04.
[17:33] <lopta> Oh.  I've not heard anything positive about Gnome Shell.  I thought even Gnome people didn't like it.
[17:38] <diddledan> popey: will mainline Ubuntu be co-opting Ubuntu Gnome or going a separate direction?
[17:38] <diddledan> (I may have invented Ubuntu Gnome :-p)
[17:39] <diddledan> don't you love when you convince yourself that something exists and someone tells you that, no, you're just a mad person
[17:43] <diddledan> anyone who misses gaming in the 90s: https://archive.org/details/bad-influence
[17:44] <diddledan> oh nice, I loved this one, https://archive.org/details/channel4bits
[17:45] <diddledan> whoever uploaded them got the synopsis wrong though: "hosted on the BBC's Channel 4"
[17:47] <daftykins> diddledan: oh hey how's the fibre diet working out? :>
[17:48] <diddledan> it's very loose
[17:48] <diddledan> the bits are spurting out
[17:48] <daftykins> all you'd hoped for?
[17:48] <diddledan> yup
[17:49] <diddledan> considering one of them is connected to an atom cpu I get decent throughput of about 6-7Gbit/s
[17:50] <daftykins> very nice
[17:50]  * lopta has an Atom
[17:51]  * diddledan smashes lopta's atom against his own in the LHA
[17:51] <diddledan> we'll find that higgs boson!
[17:51] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/RespectfulMemes/status/850405663654027264
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> for that we'll need a super nokia collider....
[17:52] <diddledan> I wanna know who the poor devils are that get their large hadrons bashed against each others'
[17:53] <diddledan> I keep mine in my pants
[17:53] <popey> diddledan: working with ubuntu gnome
[17:53] <diddledan> yey
[17:54] <diddledan> so, popey, is it viable to switch to ubuntu gnome now and be futureproofed?
[17:54]  * diddledan waterproofs everything
[17:55] <diddledan> cute kitty is cute! https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/259097784793222231
[17:57] <daftykins> haha clients secretary sent me a pic today of one of the girls who had managed to squeeze herself in behind a row of books on a shelf XD
[19:51] <KnightGnome> evenin
[19:51] <daftykins> \o
[19:54] <KnightGnome> heyhey
[19:54] <KnightGnome> hows it going tonight ?
[20:17] <daftykins> KnightGnome: sorry wandered off to make food :D all good here thanks yep
[20:17] <daftykins> just chatting + watching a live baseball game from the US
[20:20] <diddledan> true
[20:20] <diddledan> drinkin a bud..
[20:20] <daftykins> eww no :>
[20:20] <diddledan> but. that's how the conversation goes!
[20:21] <daftykins> i think they were watching 'murican football in those ads :>
[20:21] <diddledan> bah
[20:21] <daftykins> when i caught a Royals game in Kansas, they had a nice ale bar on the floor above :D
[20:21] <daftykins> $12 each though!
[20:21] <diddledan> american baseball == american football == sportsballs
[20:22] <diddledan> AHA, the chinese have decided to bump him off! https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/850442526683275270
[21:01] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/geeksaresexy/status/850453327947202561
[21:02] <daftykins> such physics! i remember gauging a PCs performance with that ;)
[21:13] <popey> diddledan: too early to make any kind of judgement like that I suspect
[21:14] <diddledan> fair enough, I'll stay on ubuntu-desktop^ for now then
[21:25] <diddledan> oh, wow, 17.04 is due early in the release-month (I usually expect it in the last week)
[21:25] <diddledan> next thurdsday
[21:25] <daftykins> well y'never know! showstoppers aside
[21:55] <popey> I'm staying on 16.04
[21:55] <popey> for as long as I can.
[21:56] <daftykins> :>