[00:16] what does "GA" mean? [00:29] in what context? [00:32] "There were a healthy handful of Unity 8 fans, calling for its GA" [00:32] general availability was my first guess [00:33] okay but what does that actually mean? [00:34] more than likely being spun into a release as defaults [00:34] it is already generally available in the common sense [00:36] can't say i know much about it, is that phone only then? well touch only [00:36] no, you can just install it on 16.04 [00:36] it doesn't work on many graphics cards [00:37] but i don't see what that has to do with availability... [00:37] perhaps 'GA' is more so for the common user, not an enthusiast wanting to tweak [00:37] so "finish it" [00:37] e.g. i bet MS consider Windows 10's 'GA' as being the 11th of April, yet they already published it to their download tool, so i've installed it already [00:37] wut? [00:38] sorry Windows 10's 1703 update build, 15063 [00:38] oh, i see [00:38] so more like "tell people it's finished" [00:39] fanfare and throw them an ISO, i suppose :> [00:40] trouble is its obviously nowhere near finished [00:47] that's the trouble with fans i suppose :> [08:03] morning boys and girls. [08:03] g'day [08:03] s'Friday [08:05] morning [08:51] Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy No Housework Day! 😃 [08:52] I'll let the wife know, thanks [08:53] :) [08:56] * zmoylan-pi dials 99 and poises finger for final 9 and waits for thud from SuperMatt [08:57] Oh she loves doing the housework, and tells everyone she meets that she's a housewife [08:57] I barely have to lift a finger most days [09:30] anyone have strong feelings on estate agents, other than swearing? [09:45] No strong feelings but there are good ones, normally the smaller ones [09:59] A necessary evil [10:00] And I guess I will find out how evil when it comes to selling thing place :-( [10:01] I'm not 100% certain it is. Don't they have a high turn over of staff because it doesn't really take that much to learn about the process, and not many people want to do it for long? [10:08] My ex works for one, I do IT work for them, they've had the same staff for 10 years ish, so not necessarily, but they are small [10:15] I guess the bigguns like foxtons are the ones were they have a high turn over [10:28] you're gambling 'nice experience with smaller local agent' vs 'higher sale price with foxtons' - always a compromise. [10:31] Foxtons will probably get you a quick sell too, because if someone can't manage a viewing *that day*, they won't bother with them any more [10:34] they do stuff like 'we'll only show you if you have AIP and they know its exactly the place you're aftuer.. thus likely to offer ASAP' [10:35] then start some bidding war to get it sold [10:35] bernard marcus cost me at least £7500 with that crap === aquarius_ is now known as aquarius__ [10:45] also hi :p [10:46] £7.5k???????? [10:46] What were you selling? Balmoral? [10:54] If it was in London, then it was a flat with a bed under the washing machine [10:54] indeed, welcome to london. [10:55] they cost me in organised bidding war price raises rather than fees as a seller. [10:56] Why should the bidding war cost you any money though? [10:56] Another reason to avoid London [10:57] That and I'd never earn enough to live there, other than in a cardboard box [10:57] because i paid 7.5k above what they wanted for it [10:58] That doesn't sound to bad TBH. I heard tell of places in Glasgow's West End going for 50% over the guide price. [10:58] Which is nuts. [10:58] idd, still got a good deal by london standards [10:58] oh, you were buying [10:58] oh, sorry :p yes. [10:59] Seems selling fees should be around the 1-2% mark (all depending on price, services etc) [10:59] So for this place I'd end up paying...lessee....£3.25 :-S [10:59] I kinda feel like the fees should be a flat rate, so there's no way that the estate agents can prioritise selling of more valuable properties [11:00] these days they dont get a cut from the sale price i think [11:01] tend to make more money from bringing property onto the books (commission structure is aimed at that, rather than sale price) [11:01] ah right [12:18] someone on the tv crew in china for the F1 practice has just won the Internet: https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/850321582677479424 [13:01] WTFWTFWTF syria breaking news! [13:01] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-39521332 [13:52] diddledan: Also, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39531108 [14:13] available as a snap, this looks funky: https://www.zerotier.com/ [14:17] sadface TwistedLucidity :( [14:32] ali1234: when will more zerostems be in stock? :) [14:32] in about a month [14:32] maybe [14:46] k === arsenip is now known as arsen [15:04] bleblehbleh [15:21] arsen: o/ [15:21] hi daftykins :) [15:22] how are tricks? [15:24] tricking thanks, you? [15:24] (busy, started new job) [15:25] again! :> [15:25] yeah not bad here ta, life on the rock is ok [15:27] same old :D [15:27] my company got semi-bought, so a lazy job change :) [15:27] ah i see [15:29] sent links :p [15:29] * lopta needs a job change. [15:30] :> [15:30] arsen: still in nodnoL presumably? [15:30] indeed [15:31] moving offices on monday tho - last of my decent view! [15:31] nooooo! [15:31] down into the basement with ye [15:32] nodnoL! [15:34] eugh [15:35] the idea of the imgur app is that it's quick images->web [15:35] but not if you dont know login creds! :/ [15:38] so after much unneeded faff - here's an image that wasn't worth the effort http://i.imgur.com/p4idGtO.jpg [15:39] now do another straight [15:39] ;D [15:39] * daftykins ducks [15:39] and landscape [15:39] ^ [15:39] pfs [15:39] tbh it is now faster... dont have to recover my account password (to find i actually used gmail signin) [15:39] i like how that *could* be a building shadow but it also looks like it could be arsen's shadow too [15:40] tho i will go via the bog and get a lobby shot [15:40] brb [15:40] * Laney doesn't recognise any landmarks in that picture [15:43] https://imgur.com/gallery/hrQrS [15:43] hmm 'the page isn't redirecting properly' [15:44] odd [15:44] https://i.imgur.com/B21KPbV.jpg [15:45] Is that London? [15:45] cor quite the drop [15:46] bishopsgate [15:46] liverpool st station on the left, if id [15:46] of stood a few meters left youd see it anyway [15:50] that's the lobby?! [15:50] I'd hate to see you go out the front-door [15:50] :> [15:50] building split into segments of 3 floors [15:50] its my lobby [15:50] Is there a lift? [15:50] the real lobby is... fishtanky [15:52] http://i.imgur.com/cdM3ltC.jpg [15:52] that is better if you actually know the liverpool st area [15:53] not many landmarks in this view really - NE edge of teh city. i guess there's the olympic park, though that's basically just a massive pringle and some tacky towers. [16:23] brb, lunch. [17:15] Am I right in thinking that "Unity" was a desktop environment? [17:15] Did it have its own window manager? [17:16] the one folks have been using for the last few years is essentially skinned gnome i think [17:18] Gnome 2? [17:18] no idea :> [17:20] Thanks. That gives me some idea, anyway. [17:20] of course if you're referring to the news pieces on unity 8 that got canned, then that is wholly different [17:21] unity7 is on top of compiz [17:22] Perhaps I misunderstood. I heard that they'd abandoned development of Unity 8 but thought Ubuntu was moving (back?) towards Gnome instead. [17:24] "Trump is an unstable, ignorant, madman with no regard for democracy but I'm glad he's shooting missiles" [17:24] that appears to be twitter right now [17:27] diddledan: Not all of it. [17:30] I would elaborate but I'm guessing that would be off-topic here. [17:31] heh i wouldn't worry about being on topic in here [17:31] although politics might grate [17:32] lopta: yes, that's the gist of it. Goal is to use GNOME Shell by 18.04. [17:33] Oh. I've not heard anything positive about Gnome Shell. I thought even Gnome people didn't like it. [17:38] popey: will mainline Ubuntu be co-opting Ubuntu Gnome or going a separate direction? [17:38] (I may have invented Ubuntu Gnome :-p) [17:39] don't you love when you convince yourself that something exists and someone tells you that, no, you're just a mad person [17:43] anyone who misses gaming in the 90s: https://archive.org/details/bad-influence [17:44] oh nice, I loved this one, https://archive.org/details/channel4bits [17:45] whoever uploaded them got the synopsis wrong though: "hosted on the BBC's Channel 4" [17:47] diddledan: oh hey how's the fibre diet working out? :> [17:48] it's very loose [17:48] the bits are spurting out [17:48] all you'd hoped for? [17:48] yup [17:49] considering one of them is connected to an atom cpu I get decent throughput of about 6-7Gbit/s [17:50] very nice [17:50] * lopta has an Atom [17:51] * diddledan smashes lopta's atom against his own in the LHA [17:51] we'll find that higgs boson! [17:51] https://twitter.com/RespectfulMemes/status/850405663654027264 [17:52] for that we'll need a super nokia collider.... [17:52] I wanna know who the poor devils are that get their large hadrons bashed against each others' [17:53] I keep mine in my pants [17:53] diddledan: working with ubuntu gnome [17:53] yey [17:54] so, popey, is it viable to switch to ubuntu gnome now and be futureproofed? [17:54] * diddledan waterproofs everything [17:55] cute kitty is cute! https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/259097784793222231 [17:57] haha clients secretary sent me a pic today of one of the girls who had managed to squeeze herself in behind a row of books on a shelf XD [19:51] evenin [19:51] \o [19:54] heyhey [19:54] hows it going tonight ? [20:17] KnightGnome: sorry wandered off to make food :D all good here thanks yep [20:17] just chatting + watching a live baseball game from the US [20:20] true [20:20] drinkin a bud.. [20:20] eww no :> [20:20] but. that's how the conversation goes! [20:21] i think they were watching 'murican football in those ads :> [20:21] bah [20:21] when i caught a Royals game in Kansas, they had a nice ale bar on the floor above :D [20:21] $12 each though! [20:21] american baseball == american football == sportsballs [20:22] AHA, the chinese have decided to bump him off! https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/850442526683275270 [21:01] https://twitter.com/geeksaresexy/status/850453327947202561 [21:02] such physics! i remember gauging a PCs performance with that ;) [21:13] diddledan: too early to make any kind of judgement like that I suspect [21:14] fair enough, I'll stay on ubuntu-desktop^ for now then [21:25] oh, wow, 17.04 is due early in the release-month (I usually expect it in the last week) [21:25] next thurdsday [21:25] well y'never know! showstoppers aside [21:55] I'm staying on 16.04 [21:55] for as long as I can. [21:56] :>